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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." Are you prepared to bet your life on that? | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity " herd impunity I mean | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." Unpopular but very Swedish and you’re not alone. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." That's fine, as long as nobody I care about is collateral damage | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean " Herd stupidity, you mean?  | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Are you prepared to bet your life on that?" Probably going to get it in the long run anyway. | |||
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"It's one opinion, probably not a popular one. How do you know you dont have an undiagnosed underlying condition? Keep thinking about the Russian roulette scene in Deerhunter." Then it's my time to die. World needs a bit of a cull anyway. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity " Hasn't happened in Sweden.... yet | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. | |||
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"It's one opinion, probably not a popular one. How do you know you dont have an undiagnosed underlying condition? Keep thinking about the Russian roulette scene in Deerhunter. Then it's my time to die. World needs a bit of a cull anyway." Compassionate response. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups." Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups." Those who *think* they are not in high risk groups  | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Unpopular but very Swedish and you’re not alone." Very interested to see if the swedes have it right in the long term. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? "The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." I think we wont know what was the right way till years down the line. All lockdown does is give us time and when we ease up infections will rise again. Some are speculating ( as thats all we can do right now ) that all nations will end up with similar death and infection rates per million once the final numbers are actually sorted. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate." But for how long? | |||
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"Getting the virus IF you survive it! Doesn't mean you'll have immunity! Secondly like every fiendish virus they have a habit of mutating this one has to a degree and they're still trying to track the first three. So yep feel free what would you like as an inscription? "it is looking like you will have immunity If you have had it. How long for..and if it will mutate like the flu does every year is unknown. Eventually we will pay covid 19 no more attention than we do the flu. Which has and will continue to be a killer virus. There was a in interesting report done early on about why we fear this virus yet have total blaze approach to other virus's that have the potential to rise up again | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long?" For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." Because we are hoping to slow it down with the hope that we find a vaccine or drugs that will help in recovery. Herd immunity...well let's say you cant raise the dead when a cure is found. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Because we are hoping to slow it down with the hope that we find a vaccine or drugs that will help in recovery. Herd immunity...well let's say you cant raise the dead when a cure is found." I get that, it's just these very strict measures are crippling the world economy, and part of me thinks the second they are lifted wave after wave will follow. And, I'm not a huge fan of drug companies rushing out a new drug that may become compulsory for all of us to take. | |||
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". Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate." People can't just push a button and go into magically safe isolation for months. People need to go out to buy food, or have medical appointments, etc etc. They may need to care for other family members. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts. "Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere?? | |||
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". Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. People can't just push a button and go into magically safe isolation for months. People need to go out to buy food, or have medical appointments, etc etc. They may need to care for other family members. " We are all in lockdown measures right now. My question is should the lower risk people be in lockdown as well. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??"Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right? | |||
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"An unknown virus causes unknown effects with unknown long term consequences. Vulnerability is a best guess at this point. Everything is a best guess. Personally, I'd rather not catch this until we know more about treatment. And I'd rather limit the spread until we know more, too." How long would you be willing to wait and the world economy crumbles? | |||
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". Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. People can't just push a button and go into magically safe isolation for months. People need to go out to buy food, or have medical appointments, etc etc. They may need to care for other family members. We are all in lockdown measures right now. My question is should the lower risk people be in lockdown as well." I know. But everyone else coming out of lockdown too soon will spread the virus and have an effect on those still in lockdown, because lockdown isn't some magic safe state people can enter. | |||
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". Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. People can't just push a button and go into magically safe isolation for months. People need to go out to buy food, or have medical appointments, etc etc. They may need to care for other family members. We are all in lockdown measures right now. My question is should the lower risk people be in lockdown as well. I know. But everyone else coming out of lockdown too soon will spread the virus and have an effect on those still in lockdown, because lockdown isn't some magic safe state people can enter. " Why not? My parents went into voluntary isolation at the beginning of feb. Haven't seen them since then. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity " It could be articulated that if all over 65 were properly quarantined and did not pop out to shops If nursing homes and carers a wore effective ppe That the quoted death toll would be no where near | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Are you prepared to bet your life on that?" Yes I would certainly put my life on that line However I absolutely would not volunteer anothers and thus why I adhere and condone lockdown | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity It could be articulated that if all over 65 were properly quarantined and did not pop out to shops If nursing homes and carers a wore effective ppe That the quoted death toll would be no where near "  | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." We could go a step further and deliberately infect people. Would you be willing for you, your parents your children, your friends to all be actively infected to get this over with quicker, I mean some of them and I guess even you might die but it's all for the greater good eh? | |||
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"It's the People that are using the virus as an ally to build their new Jerusalem I fear more than the virus. If we're not careful it will soon be all over. " I have no idea what you are on about.  | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. We could go a step further and deliberately infect people. Would you be willing for you, your parents your children, your friends to all be actively infected to get this over with quicker, I mean some of them and I guess even you might die but it's all for the greater good eh?" Apart from parents who I would categorise as vulnerable, I do question is this lockdown of low risk people is worse. So many crucial hospital visits for other illnesses have been cancelled because of this. | |||
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"An unknown virus causes unknown effects with unknown long term consequences. Vulnerability is a best guess at this point. Everything is a best guess. Personally, I'd rather not catch this until we know more about treatment. And I'd rather limit the spread until we know more, too. How long would you be willing to wait and the world economy crumbles?" I don't know. We're in a terrible situation. But I cannot fathom let it rip, let 'em die if they die. To me that's inhumane. | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx" Some experts are more right than other experts. | |||
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"It's the People that are using the virus as an ally to build their new Jerusalem I fear more than the virus. If we're not careful it will soon be all over. " Yes how dare the government s of the world prevent the GREAT RAPTURE. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity " Yes..... this!! Herd immunity doesn’t work.... the only reason that we are in lockdown is because we don’t have any to fight the virus. No vaccines, not enough PPE..... nothing. And now the government are faffing about wondering what to do this weekend. | |||
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"An unknown virus causes unknown effects with unknown long term consequences. Vulnerability is a best guess at this point. Everything is a best guess. Personally, I'd rather not catch this until we know more about treatment. And I'd rather limit the spread until we know more, too. How long would you be willing to wait and the world economy crumbles? I don't know. We're in a terrible situation. But I cannot fathom let it rip, let 'em die if they die. To me that's inhumane." Yes using that phraseology, let it RIP sounds terrible but with a broken world economy, do you not think it could be worse to endure endless lockdown etc | |||
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"An unknown virus causes unknown effects with unknown long term consequences. Vulnerability is a best guess at this point. Everything is a best guess. Personally, I'd rather not catch this until we know more about treatment. And I'd rather limit the spread until we know more, too. How long would you be willing to wait and the world economy crumbles? I don't know. We're in a terrible situation. But I cannot fathom let it rip, let 'em die if they die. To me that's inhumane. Yes using that phraseology, let it RIP sounds terrible but with a broken world economy, do you not think it could be worse to endure endless lockdown etc" The n h s would colapse in a week leaving more people at risk .  | |||
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"An unknown virus causes unknown effects with unknown long term consequences. Vulnerability is a best guess at this point. Everything is a best guess. Personally, I'd rather not catch this until we know more about treatment. And I'd rather limit the spread until we know more, too. How long would you be willing to wait and the world economy crumbles? I don't know. We're in a terrible situation. But I cannot fathom let it rip, let 'em die if they die. To me that's inhumane. Yes using that phraseology, let it RIP sounds terrible but with a broken world economy, do you not think it could be worse to endure endless lockdown etc" Huge death tolls will also have huge economic consequences. And unknown long term morbidity. And I'm not saying "save lives, forget the economy". I'm not sure anyone has said that. | |||
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"An unknown virus causes unknown effects with unknown long term consequences. Vulnerability is a best guess at this point. Everything is a best guess. Personally, I'd rather not catch this until we know more about treatment. And I'd rather limit the spread until we know more, too. How long would you be willing to wait and the world economy crumbles? I don't know. We're in a terrible situation. But I cannot fathom let it rip, let 'em die if they die. To me that's inhumane. Yes using that phraseology, let it RIP sounds terrible but with a broken world economy, do you not think it could be worse to endure endless lockdown etc The n h s would colapse in a week leaving more people at risk . "Yes. If a hospital has 100 ventilators, you don't want to be patient 101. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. We could go a step further and deliberately infect people. Would you be willing for you, your parents your children, your friends to all be actively infected to get this over with quicker, I mean some of them and I guess even you might die but it's all for the greater good eh? Apart from parents who I would categorise as vulnerable, I do question is this lockdown of low risk people is worse. So many crucial hospital visits for other illnesses have been cancelled because of this." Thats not the question I asked is it? And your avoidance of it speaks volumes. Let people die as long as it not people who matter to you? | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. We could go a step further and deliberately infect people. Would you be willing for you, your parents your children, your friends to all be actively infected to get this over with quicker, I mean some of them and I guess even you might die but it's all for the greater good eh?" Yes I would x | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx"  I said the same thing to the other half after reading comments on the Daily Mail online. Who knew there were so many virologist, research fellows etc in the country and their time under utilised as they were sharing their knowledge online. | |||
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"Getting the virus IF you survive it! Doesn't mean you'll have immunity! Secondly like every fiendish virus they have a habit of mutating this one has to a degree and they're still trying to track the first three. So yep feel free what would you like as an inscription? it is looking like you will have immunity If you have had it. How long for..and if it will mutate like the flu does every year is unknown.
Eventually we will pay covid 19 no more attention than we do the flu. Which has and will continue to be a killer virus. There was a in interesting report done early on about why we fear this virus yet have total blaze approach to other virus's that have the potential to rise up again "“..... it is looking like you will have immunity If you have had it. How long for..and if it will mutate like the flu does every year is unknown. “ And because the issues of immunity are still ‘unknown’ , rolling out herd immunity would not be a favourable step to take at this stage, as you can’t reverse the consequences if in a years time it turns out to be a wrong decision. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. We could go a step further and deliberately infect people. Would you be willing for you, your parents your children, your friends to all be actively infected to get this over with quicker, I mean some of them and I guess even you might die but it's all for the greater good eh? Apart from parents who I would categorise as vulnerable, I do question is this lockdown of low risk people is worse. So many crucial hospital visits for other illnesses have been cancelled because of this. Thats not the question I asked is it? And your avoidance of it speaks volumes. Let people die as long as it not people who matter to you? " Like I said earlier, the world probably needs a full anyway and yes if it was my time to go so be it. However, I think you misinterpreted, I suggested that the more at risk self isolate but the rest including those close to me take our chances. Hence my title "unpopular opinion". | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. We could go a step further and deliberately infect people. Would you be willing for you, your parents your children, your friends to all be actively infected to get this over with quicker, I mean some of them and I guess even you might die but it's all for the greater good eh? Apart from parents who I would categorise as vulnerable, I do question is this lockdown of low risk people is worse. So many crucial hospital visits for other illnesses have been cancelled because of this. Thats not the question I asked is it? And your avoidance of it speaks volumes. Let people die as long as it not people who matter to you? Like I said earlier, the world probably needs a full anyway and yes if it was my time to go so be it. However, I think you misinterpreted, I suggested that the more at risk self isolate but the rest including those close to me take our chances. Hence my title "unpopular opinion"." But you also said some healthy people will die. But not you. Or your family and friends presumably? | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. " So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months?" Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people." Soap and detergent seems to be the thing killing it.... strange aint it? | |||
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"Currently I'm not convinced the social restrictions will save or kill any lives only prolong the time scale at which it all happens In my opinion Totally unpalatable as it is An individual has a choice Regardless of "lockdown " they will always be at risk unless "THEY" take action If they go to shop they will be at risk even if everyone plays by the rules eventually the at risk will get it Beyond total isolation or effective ppe an individual is at risk Locking everything down and pretending actually in the end could be counter productive I 100 percent agree with our first lockdown to buy time take stock become prepared AND identify and protect to the best of our abilities the vulnerable IF they want to be protected Beyond a very distant vaccine I feel this may be our only option Pretending to lock down but NOT adequately protecting the vulnerable will not save lives only dilute the frequency In my opinion a person from now on should be considering if they or their family are prepared to have the virus If the answer is no then your solution is effective ppe and fucking sever home lockdown Because it's out there and blaming a house party or bbq is pointless Even if everyone stuck to the current government rules your older loved ones WILL eventually catch it without your/their direct preventive action "Exactly but so many cant grasp this. It's so very simple, if anyone doesn't want to catch it stay away from everyone else, how hard is it to grasp this. Meanwhile the rest of us let it infect us, at a controlled speed, just as Sweden is doing | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people." This is not an extinction event . It's nowhere near one. Wipe out the human race. My arse. Have a word with yourself man. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?"Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world! | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." This guy is right .. and I can't believe the amount of over reaction these message boards get.. And the butt hurt people get over it all .. And the stupid wild numbers people shut out .. or the weird behaviour people are doing in public over it all.. How quickly were the sheep to give away their minds ..? That's the insanity of it all .. And what makes it even more laughable.. is the ridiculous over reaction these sheep have to any opinion..that's not the official narrative..ie the bbc (cos of course they don't have an agenda to fill) And then to finish off the insult, it's coming from the worst bunch of middle aged way out of shape women I've ever seen ..or some guy with the tiniest cock and long saggy balls going. What's going on ? If this is humanity take me now | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world! "Probably less suicides, domestic abuse and business collapses though | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world! "But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future . | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people. This is not an extinction event . It's nowhere near one. Wipe out the human race. My arse. Have a word with yourself man." "...it could potentially wipe out the human race..." Stop paraphrasing. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people. This is not an extinction event . It's nowhere near one. Wipe out the human race. My arse. Have a word with yourself man. "...it could potentially wipe out the human race..." Stop paraphrasing." Are you from the Diane Abbott maths school, how can a virus with a fatality rate around 2 to 3 percent wipe out the human race | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future ." | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future ."That's nonsense. Tegnell said he thinks by mid May, there could be herd immunity in Stockholm . That would require at least 1 million of the 1.5 million population to be infected . So far they estimate 150,00 max infected! (10%) add to that the apparent mutation of the virus and inter city travel and you potentially have a real disaster on your hands | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
That's nonsense. Tegnell said he thinks by mid May, there could be herd immunity in Stockholm . That would require at least 1 million of the 1.5 million population to be infected . So far they estimate 150,00 max infected! (10%) add to that the apparent mutation of the virus and inter city travel and you potentially have a real disaster on your hands "We've all got a disaster on our hands - the question is how long we want to drag it out for | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people. This is not an extinction event . It's nowhere near one. Wipe out the human race. My arse. Have a word with yourself man. "...it could potentially wipe out the human race..." Stop paraphrasing. Are you from the Diane Abbott maths school, how can a virus with a fatality rate around 2 to 3 percent wipe out the human race" Try a fatality rate of less that 0.4% and you will be nearer | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. What of you or a member of your family or friends where to die? How would the health services cope? Doctors and nurses would be forced to pick who lives and who dies. Can you imagine the effect that would have on them? It might be mild in some cases but there are varying strains of it which means it could potentially wipe out the human race. Also, Corona virus will never go away. It will always longer in the background so a cure, vaccine needs to be found. We know effective treatment helps some/most people. This is not an extinction event . It's nowhere near one. Wipe out the human race. My arse. Have a word with yourself man. "...it could potentially wipe out the human race..." Stop paraphrasing. Are you from the Diane Abbott maths school, how can a virus with a fatality rate around 2 to 3 percent wipe out the human race" I never knew there was a Diane Abbott maths school but as you've raised that remark I won't bother to discuss this further with you. Stay safe! | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Are you prepared to bet your life on that?" I have lived a full great life, for me... being locked up is hell, I would take my chances, still keep my distance to protect others, but need my freedom, or my death, either or, but not locked up like a mouse in a cage | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
That's nonsense. Tegnell said he thinks by mid May, there could be herd immunity in Stockholm . That would require at least 1 million of the 1.5 million population to be infected . So far they estimate 150,00 max infected! (10%) add to that the apparent mutation of the virus and inter city travel and you potentially have a real disaster on your hands "Well it cant be both, either they are approaching herd immunity or they are at 10%, but if every person infects 2/3 others they will soon be there . | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future ."“.... But according to one of their medical experts ” Just ‘one’ of them. And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year. I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet. "It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along?" Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way"There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine."Yes there is. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is."I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link? | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Are you prepared to bet your life on that? I have lived a full great life, for me... being locked up is hell, I would take my chances, still keep my distance to protect others, but need my freedom, or my death, either or, but not locked up like a mouse in a cage" | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?"Mr google | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope." To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google"So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself."Or you could learn to do some research | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us." Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research "I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way." Of course they have a choice, they can choose to leave isolation and take the risk if that's what they want to or they stay completely isolated until a vaccine for treatment is available. Once their family has had it and been tested and have been clear for ay least 14 days they will be safe to visit as long as they wash their hands etc and disinfect anything they take into their houses. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research
I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you."have you hot a better solution because we can't all stay home for 2 years till this blows over not being rude just asking | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research
I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you."Would it be fair to say there is as much evidence here immunity would work as a vaccine would? | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research
I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you."Thanks I feel so much better for that | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way. Of course they have a choice, they can choose to leave isolation and take the risk if that's what they want to or they stay completely isolated until a vaccine for treatment is available. Once their family has had it and been tested and have been clear for ay least 14 days they will be safe to visit as long as they wash their hands etc and disinfect anything they take into their houses." Some would say that’s a lot to expect of other people so you can go to the pub. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research
I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you.
Thanks I feel so much better for that"Hopefully it will make up for the embarrassment you feel over your inability to provide any evidence. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research
I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you.
Would it be fair to say there is as much evidence here immunity would work as a vaccine would?"No, a vaccine would work once one is produced, that’s what makes it a vaccine. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way. Of course they have a choice, they can choose to leave isolation and take the risk if that's what they want to or they stay completely isolated until a vaccine for treatment is available. Once their family has had it and been tested and have been clear for ay least 14 days they will be safe to visit as long as they wash their hands etc and disinfect anything they take into their houses. Some would say that’s a lot to expect of other people so you can go to the pub." What's a lot to expect? the vulnerable to stay isolated while the rest of us save the economy to pay taxes to pay for the NHS etc etc. What will they be doing anyway ? They arent going to be out partying if they feel at risk are they. Strangely enough like it or not the world has to keep turning if austerity killed 160,000 economic destruction will kill far more. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine.
Yes there is.
I’d be interested to see it, do you have a link?
Mr google
So there’s no evidence then? You could’ve just said that rather than embarrass yourself.
Or you could learn to do some research
I e told you, stop embarrassing yourself, it’s getting so I’m feeling sorry for you.
Would it be fair to say there is as much evidence here immunity would work as a vaccine would?
No, a vaccine would work once one is produced, that’s what makes it a vaccine."Hopefully a vaccine will be produced but if the virus is mutating as much as claimed it will provide only partial cover, as will natural immunity. However we need to remember that we have no vaccine for the common cold which is a corna virus. Hopefully other treatments will be found, allegedly ivomectin kills it outside the body so may be used, of course it needs to be the right version some are deadly in humans | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity Hasn't happened in Sweden.... yet" Per 100,000 population one of the highest death tolls. Way ahead of other Scandinavian neighbours! | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way. Of course they have a choice, they can choose to leave isolation and take the risk if that's what they want to or they stay completely isolated until a vaccine for treatment is available. Once their family has had it and been tested and have been clear for ay least 14 days they will be safe to visit as long as they wash their hands etc and disinfect anything they take into their houses. Some would say that’s a lot to expect of other people so you can go to the pub. What's a lot to expect? the vulnerable to stay isolated while the rest of us save the economy to pay taxes to pay for the NHS etc etc. What will they be doing anyway ? They arent going to be out partying if they feel at risk are they. Strangely enough like it or not the world has to keep turning if austerity killed 160,000 economic destruction will kill far more. " I just think that there’s probably a way, a less simple way, a way that will still inconvenience all of us in some way, that will not condemn millions of people to life as second class citizens. A way that will make us a little bit less like fucking Nazis and a little bit more like decent human beings. | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx Some experts are more right than other experts." Clearly you are the rightest expert in the whole of right land! | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx Some experts are more right than other experts. Clearly you are the rightest expert in the whole of right land!"  | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way. Of course they have a choice, they can choose to leave isolation and take the risk if that's what they want to or they stay completely isolated until a vaccine for treatment is available. Once their family has had it and been tested and have been clear for ay least 14 days they will be safe to visit as long as they wash their hands etc and disinfect anything they take into their houses. Some would say that’s a lot to expect of other people so you can go to the pub. What's a lot to expect? the vulnerable to stay isolated while the rest of us save the economy to pay taxes to pay for the NHS etc etc. What will they be doing anyway ? They arent going to be out partying if they feel at risk are they. Strangely enough like it or not the world has to keep turning if austerity killed 160,000 economic destruction will kill far more. I just think that there’s probably a way, a less simple way, a way that will still inconvenience all of us in some way, that will not condemn millions of people to life as second class citizens. A way that will make us a little bit less like fucking Nazis and a little bit more like decent human beings." Go on then what is the way ? | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way"“...... Herd immunity is the only way” There is no evidence to support that - at least not yet. | |||
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"That was the original policy still they realised it would kill half a million people here immunity herd impunity I mean Herd stupidity, you mean? The guy who said 500,000 has been sacked for breaking lockdown rules for a shag, same guy who said BSE 250,000 swine flu 150,000 bird flu 200,000 don't believe all figures by experts.
Too right, down with experts.....hmm, I've heard that before somewhere??
Experts can get it wrong. However have the swedish experts got it more right?
Yes it appears the swedes are getting it wrong and there is a lot of opposition increasing now. They have over 3000 deaths - that equates ( per capita) to 20,000 deaths here so it's pretty bad there and in fact the 8th worst per million in the world!
But according to one of their medical experts they believe they are beginning to approach herd immunity levels in Stockholm, once this happens deaths will amount to the same level as most other countries but they will have achieved it in far less time and at far less cost to their future .
“.... But according to one of their medical experts ”
Just ‘one’ of them.
And that one expert doesn’t have a crystal ball to know what the herd Immunity approach will result in by this time next year.
I just hope we don’t follow that approach here, at least not yet.
It is their governments approach. Herd immunity is the only way, it can be done the way the swedish are doing it or the way most others are ie quickly or slowly but until a vaccine or effective treatments arrive it's the only way
“...... Herd immunity is the only way”
There is no evidence to support that - at least not yet.
"We have to take a view that like most corona virus's it mutates very quickly and even if the virus they are trialing today works, in 6 months time when they have produced millions of doses it doesn't. Herd immunity is a possibly a myth. Fuck knows what the answer is. Keep plodding away is probably the answer. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I find this sort of opinion is generally held by those not in high risk groups. Maybe, but the idea is that people who are high risk would self isolate. But for how long? For as long as it takes for a vaccine or failing that, as long as they can take the isolation. So everyone who is in a high risk group should be made to isolate for potentially 18 months? Shouldn't they be doing this anyway unless a vaccine comes along? Not for 18 months, they were told 12 weeks. It’s all of our responsibilities to ensure that the most vulnerable are safe, and not by telling them to isolate so everyone else isn’t inconvenienced. When you start treating people as second class citizens just so you don’t have to put yourself out it’s the start of a very slippery slope. To clarify, I would propose they voluntarily self isolate. Or take their chances with the rest of us. Oh, so you’re saying they should stay locked up in their houses, isolated, or put themselves at huge risk of dying? That makes it so much better then, you could say it was their own fault that way. Of course they have a choice, they can choose to leave isolation and take the risk if that's what they want to or they stay completely isolated until a vaccine for treatment is available. Once their family has had it and been tested and have been clear for ay least 14 days they will be safe to visit as long as they wash their hands etc and disinfect anything they take into their houses. Some would say that’s a lot to expect of other people so you can go to the pub. What's a lot to expect? the vulnerable to stay isolated while the rest of us save the economy to pay taxes to pay for the NHS etc etc. What will they be doing anyway ? They arent going to be out partying if they feel at risk are they. Strangely enough like it or not the world has to keep turning if austerity killed 160,000 economic destruction will kill far more. I just think that there’s probably a way, a less simple way, a way that will still inconvenience all of us in some way, that will not condemn millions of people to life as second class citizens. A way that will make us a little bit less like fucking Nazis and a little bit more like decent human beings. Go on then what is the way ? " Oh that’s way above my pay grade but there are people far cleverer than you or I to work that out. We are idiots when it comes to such things whereas there are public health experts out there with decades of experience to work that dirt of thing. As Socrates said “I am the wisest man alive for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing “ | |||
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"I think the problem is that it's all very well saying the death rate is less than 1% or 5% or whatever percent. The trouble is the people dying are suffering in horrible agony drowning in their own own Puss with agonising organ failure. It's not terribly civilized to just let people die like that is it ? " 80,000 died in the 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic | |||
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"I think the problem is that it's all very well saying the death rate is less than 1% or 5% or whatever percent. The trouble is the people dying are suffering in horrible agony drowning in their own own Puss with agonising organ failure. It's not terribly civilized to just let people die like that is it ? 80,000 died in the 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic" But this is not flu. | |||
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"I think the problem is that it's all very well saying the death rate is less than 1% or 5% or whatever percent. The trouble is the people dying are suffering in horrible agony drowning in their own own Puss with agonising organ failure. It's not terribly civilized to just let people die like that is it ? 80,000 died in the 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic But this is not flu." Yes it is what do you think it is, a nutter with a gun killing everyone. All strains of covid are flu's | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." YOur a trump fan then | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Are you prepared to bet your life on that? I have lived a full great life, for me... being locked up is hell, I would take my chances, still keep my distance to protect others, but need my freedom, or my death, either or, but not locked up like a mouse in a cage" In your 40 acres? Don't exaggerate please. | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx" | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it.YOur a trump fan then" Not a fan of Trump but possibly a fan of the decisions taken by the swedish government. Yes their numbers are high but wonder will the rest of the world take years to catch up with them and have the same death rate. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors." But isn't that the reason the nightingale temporary hospitals are closing because the shutdown is too effective? | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors. But isn't that the reason the nightingale temporary hospitals are closing because the shutdown is too effective?" Isnt it became we havent got the staff to man it? | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx Some experts are more right than other experts. Clearly you are the rightest expert in the whole of right land!" I wasn't referring to myself but to suggest maybe the swedish experts are taking the better approach. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors. But isn't that the reason the nightingale temporary hospitals are closing because the shutdown is too effective? Isnt it became we havent got the staff to man it?" Perhaps, my understanding was a lot of hospital staff were idle because most other care had been cancelled. | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx Some experts are more right than other experts. Clearly you are the rightest expert in the whole of right land! I wasn't referring to myself but to suggest maybe the swedish experts are taking the better approach. " Sweden 1 person per 24 sq km, U.K. 24 people per sq km ! Guess where it's easier to avoid each other lol | |||
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"I only listen to experts ....it appears they don't work for the government....because they are all swingers here on fab ....same old experts on everything ...you know who you are and remember only your opinion counts ....lol xx Some experts are more right than other experts. Clearly you are the rightest expert in the whole of right land! I wasn't referring to myself but to suggest maybe the swedish experts are taking the better approach. Sweden 1 person per 24 sq km, U.K. 24 people per sq km ! Guess where it's easier to avoid each other lol " Fair point | |||
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"I say fk the Virus let's get dirty and if ya die it will be with a smile on your face nik" Might be a better option to 3 yes of lockdown waves, loss of freedoms, compulsory vaccines, vaccine disasters followed by the worst economic hardship in living memory. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors. But isn't that the reason the nightingale temporary hospitals are closing because the shutdown is too effective? Isnt it became we havent got the staff to man it? Perhaps, my understanding was a lot of hospital staff were idle because most other care had been cancelled. " The Nightingales were meant to be for seriously ill Covid patients, there are not enough ICU trained staff to make them anything other than a political gesture. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors." Half the people who need a ventilator end up dying so no ventilators at all would take the rate to 0.8%. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors. But isn't that the reason the nightingale temporary hospitals are closing because the shutdown is too effective? Isnt it became we havent got the staff to man it? Perhaps, my understanding was a lot of hospital staff were idle because most other care had been cancelled. " I read somewhere they were struggling to find the staff to fill it? | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." I kind of agreed with you until I got news of a very fit 42 year old mate fighting for his life in hospital. Another 5 people I know this week have got it all saying it's the worst experience ever. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it." Going on recent rough numbers (3% mortality in uk), so very roughly speaking, every decent sized extended family set will lose one member. Please nominate which auntie you want to nominate from your family to take the bullet for the herd. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Going on recent rough numbers (3% mortality in uk), so very roughly speaking, every decent sized extended family set will lose one member. Please nominate which auntie you want to nominate from your family to take the bullet for the herd." A 3% mortality rate on a population of the uk's 75 million would be 2.25 million | |||
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" There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine." You do realise that if having Covid doesn't give you immunity then a vaccine cannot work. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies as if you've had the infection. | |||
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" There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine. You do realise that if having Covid doesn't give you immunity then a vaccine cannot work. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies as if you've had the infection." If we get a successful, effective vaccine, the trials will have determined the safe, effective dosing strategy. This may include more than 1 dose, as the hepatitis B vaccine does. There may be limited effects from an isolated shot. Community herd immunity can be atrained when a sufficiently high proportion of the population has immunity, making those without immunity get the benefits from the dominance of the others who have it. Immunity can be temporary, rather than lifelong. Following infection, it may also be that not everyone develops it. With some luck, a vaccine and infection will provide permanent immunity and the vaccine will just need 1 dose. Obviously at this point we don't know how the virus may evolve, if it does mutate further. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors." This! This is one of the things that is constantly overlooked when people are discussing the lockdown. Lockdown isn't simply about preventing people from dying from Covid-19, it's about making sure that people with it, and anyone who needs ICU for other reasons while it is a factor, have the best shot at surviving. 30000 have died despite us having increased ICU capacity Also the people who constantly talk about Sweden need to look at the what Sweden have actually been doing. Their population is more spread out than ours and home working is far more commmon. They've closed high schools, asked people to avoid non-essential travel, asked people to work at home where possible, and asked those over 70 & with health problems to stay at home. They've not actually done things that differently. They just asked, and people complied rather than telling. | |||
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"0.4% death rate as long you enough intensive care beds and ventilators, once they are full you probably looking at a death rate nearer 10% Not to mention the life changing organ damage to a lot of survivors. This! This is one of the things that is constantly overlooked when people are discussing the lockdown. Lockdown isn't simply about preventing people from dying from Covid-19, it's about making sure that people with it, and anyone who needs ICU for other reasons while it is a factor, have the best shot at surviving. 30000 have died despite us having increased ICU capacity Also the people who constantly talk about Sweden need to look at the what Sweden have actually been doing. Their population is more spread out than ours and home working is far more commmon. They've closed high schools, asked people to avoid non-essential travel, asked people to work at home where possible, and asked those over 70 & with health problems to stay at home. They've not actually done things that differently. They just asked, and people complied rather than telling. " Their cities can be compared to other cities | |||
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"Destroying our economy like this is only worth doing if you are sure another novel virus won't come along in 2 or 3 years" You can't ignore this one just because you don't know when the next one may come alone | |||
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" There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine. You do realise that if having Covid doesn't give you immunity then a vaccine cannot work. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies as if you've had the infection." The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies WITHOUT you getting the disease, and without some proportion of the population dying from the disease. And when the first lot of antibodies fade away after six months or a year or two years, or another variant of the virus comes along, to take another dose of vaccine to create new antibodies, again without a proportion of the population dying of the disease. It is true that today, this minute, there is no vaccine for sars-cov-2. However, there are more teams working on it, and more money available for the research, than any previous medical research in history. However long it does take, it is now several months further along in development than it was when we first became aware of the problem. We could have just not bothered with any isolation measures, just let everybody be exposed - as the government originally planned. We would then have the certainty of every single person over 55 or with any other risk factors all sick at the same time. We would have the certainty of between 1 and 5 million people needing hospital, and all but a few thousand not getting that hospital care. At least hundreds of thousands dead. That would be happening NOW. Instead we have had a breathing space for a while - yes, at a cost. We have a possibility of treatment and/or vaccine - yes at a cost. We trade the certainty of many many deaths now, for the potential of fewer deaths later - yes at a cost. The people who die now - they are dead, no money can bring them back. But the money that is spent now - it can be made again later. How much are the lives worth? Well that is for our collective conscience to decide. | |||
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"It's one opinion, probably not a popular one. How do you know you dont have an undiagnosed underlying condition? Keep thinking about the Russian roulette scene in Deerhunter. Then it's my time to die. World needs a bit of a cull anyway." Talk is cheap. I bet you wouldn't have that attitude if you were in hospital with a 50/50 chance of getting out alive and I bet you wouldn't of written this if you knew you had a underlying health condition. | |||
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" There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine. You do realise that if having Covid doesn't give you immunity then a vaccine cannot work. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies as if you've had the infection. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies WITHOUT you getting the disease, and without some proportion of the population dying from the disease. And when the first lot of antibodies fade away after six months or a year or two years, or another variant of the virus comes along, to take another dose of vaccine to create new antibodies, again without a proportion of the population dying of the disease. It is true that today, this minute, there is no vaccine for sars-cov-2. However, there are more teams working on it, and more money available for the research, than any previous medical research in history. However long it does take, it is now several months further along in development than it was when we first became aware of the problem. We could have just not bothered with any isolation measures, just let everybody be exposed - as the government originally planned. We would then have the certainty of every single person over 55 or with any other risk factors all sick at the same time. We would have the certainty of between 1 and 5 million people needing hospital, and all but a few thousand not getting that hospital care. At least hundreds of thousands dead. That would be happening NOW. Instead we have had a breathing space for a while - yes, at a cost. We have a possibility of treatment and/or vaccine - yes at a cost. We trade the certainty of many many deaths now, for the potential of fewer deaths later - yes at a cost. The people who die now - they are dead, no money can bring them back. But the money that is spent now - it can be made again later. How much are the lives worth? Well that is for our collective conscience to decide. " | |||
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" There is no evidence to show having had Covid19 gives you immunity. Herd immunity cannot work until we have a vaccine. You do realise that if having Covid doesn't give you immunity then a vaccine cannot work. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies as if you've had the infection. The whole principle of vaccines is to create antibodies WITHOUT you getting the disease, and without some proportion of the population dying from the disease. And when the first lot of antibodies fade away after six months or a year or two years, or another variant of the virus comes along, to take another dose of vaccine to create new antibodies, again without a proportion of the population dying of the disease. It is true that today, this minute, there is no vaccine for sars-cov-2. However, there are more teams working on it, and more money available for the research, than any previous medical research in history. However long it does take, it is now several months further along in development than it was when we first became aware of the problem. We could have just not bothered with any isolation measures, just let everybody be exposed - as the government originally planned. We would then have the certainty of every single person over 55 or with any other risk factors all sick at the same time. We would have the certainty of between 1 and 5 million people needing hospital, and all but a few thousand not getting that hospital care. At least hundreds of thousands dead. That would be happening NOW. Instead we have had a breathing space for a while - yes, at a cost. We have a possibility of treatment and/or vaccine - yes at a cost. We trade the certainty of many many deaths now, for the potential of fewer deaths later - yes at a cost. The people who die now - they are dead, no money can bring them back. But the money that is spent now - it can be made again later. How much are the lives worth? Well that is for our collective conscience to decide. " I think the cost of this lockdown will be too excessive compared to the approach Sweden has taken. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. I kind of agreed with you until I got news of a very fit 42 year old mate fighting for his life in hospital. Another 5 people I know this week have got it all saying it's the worst experience ever." My worry would be that this lockdown will have a worse effect. | |||
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"Anyone else feel the world is reacting wrong to this virus. Part of me thinks vulnerable people should self isolate, and the rest of us actively get infected. Let the virus run riot, yes some healthy people will die but the whole thing would be over sooner to allow the healthy and strong to rebuild and support those in isolation. That way if a vaccine was found only those that wanted it could take it. Going on recent rough numbers (3% mortality in uk), so very roughly speaking, every decent sized extended family set will lose one member. Please nominate which auntie you want to nominate from your family to take the bullet for the herd." Due to limited testing in the uk I think mortality numbers may be wrong. Germany and S korea have shown this. | |||
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"My worry would be that this lockdown will have a worse effect." Worse than 30,000 deaths? Wow! | |||
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"An estimated total of 70–85 million people perished,In WW2, so with today being Victory in Europe day marking the end of western hostilities. Think like I do in relation to what we are going through at the moment a prolonged time of social distancing and social purgatory for a few more months is nothing compared to the ultimate sacrifice our ancestors made to ensure freedom in the world " 3 yrs for Spanish flu. | |||
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"Destroying our economy like this is only worth doing if you are sure another novel virus won't come along in 2 or 3 years You can't ignore this one just because you don't know when the next one may come alone" The same virus may have multiple waves. | |||
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"My worry would be that this lockdown will have a worse effect. Worse than 30,000 deaths? Wow!" 30,000 so car and only according to the very untrustworthy scumbags in Westminster. | |||
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"My worry would be that this lockdown will have a worse effect. Worse than 30,000 deaths? Wow!" Yes absolutely. | |||
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"It's one opinion, probably not a popular one. How do you know you dont have an undiagnosed underlying condition? Keep thinking about the Russian roulette scene in Deerhunter. Then it's my time to die. World needs a bit of a cull anyway. Talk is cheap. I bet you wouldn't have that attitude if you were in hospital with a 50/50 chance of getting out alive and I bet you wouldn't of written this if you knew you had a underlying health condition. " Talk is important not cheap. I course I would prefer to survive it. If I had an underlying health condition I would self isolate for as long as possible. | |||
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"OK so. 1. The reason we are in lockdown is because the NHS has limited capacity, so if we just all go about our business they will have to choose which healthy people live or die because they can't get the breathing equipment they need to survive. 2. It will be more damaging in the long run. Who will trade with the UK or allow UK residents into their country when already we are seeing low infected coubtries now working together. 3. Lockdown gives time for science to catch up." I agree with all of you points to some extent. Just believe this lockdown is too extreme for the world economy to survive. | |||
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"My worry would be that this lockdown will have a worse effect. Worse than 30,000 deaths? Wow! 30,000 so car and only according to the very untrustworthy scumbags in Westminster." Yes a lot worse. | |||
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"We live in Cornwall and infection rate and death toll is super low!! We had a wave from second home owners and the school trips to Italy. But generally its low down here. My opinion is lockdown should be regional dependent on infection rate, death toll, etc. But this will require military involvement " I have to admit I struggle to see why any population would want it's own military to curb its freedoms. | |||
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"We live in Cornwall and infection rate and death toll is super low!! We had a wave from second home owners and the school trips to Italy. But generally its low down here. My opinion is lockdown should be regional dependent on infection rate, death toll, etc. But this will require military involvement I have to admit I struggle to see why any population would want it's own military to curb its freedoms. " Ha ha they dont they want the military to enforce a lockdown on others in order that they can have freedom Not realising that one person in Cornwall WILL be asymptomaticly carrying the virus ready to spread it around if they regained freedom without fairly extensive precautions | |||
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"We live in Cornwall and infection rate and death toll is super low!! We had a wave from second home owners and the school trips to Italy. But generally its low down here. My opinion is lockdown should be regional dependent on infection rate, death toll, etc. But this will require military involvement I have to admit I struggle to see why any population would want it's own military to curb its freedoms. Ha ha they dont they want the military to enforce a lockdown on others in order that they can have freedom Not realising that one person in Cornwall WILL be asymptomaticly carrying the virus ready to spread it around if they regained freedom without fairly extensive precautions "No in the other counties regions have been separated and it works effectively you cant travel district to district without consent. We had a wave due to rich second home owners descending on us when they were told not to!! Before that Cornwall was contact tracing very effectively. We have been lucky not to be hit as hard as the rest of the country. We need numbers coming into cornwall monitored because we only have ONE major hospital! Yes ONE that's it. We cant afford for if and when lockdown is lifted for everyone to descend on us like they always do we dont have the resources to cope | |||
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"Yes i don't think its popular option but definitely something to look at. I'm in the high risk (not the highly vulnerable) as have asthma but i believe it is even though it increases my risk I personally don't want to live in a bubble either, not when there is no actual date or idea when its over. The Spanish flu lasted 2 years. But think I'm definitely in the minority thinking this. Its natural people want there lives back. Its not been selfish. Yes there are people and some incidents that are just stupid but in large people are just trying ro cope the best way they can. We are built differently emotionally, fact! People are not just been asked to stay home. They are been asked to be separated from loved ones??, financially unable to manage and getting deeper and deeper into debt??. Anxiety, depression & more is building as a result. This will cause mental health problems beyond belief and suicide will rocket. Elderly people we are trying to shield may spend the last few weeks & months with no human contact and die of something else... alone??. Its about striking a balance,saving lives is priority yes no life lost is ok but so is quality of life too. The number of lives lost is beyond comprehension. Any life lost is too much. However daily figures given out to the public do not explain a true reflection of the story,instead creates panic. Something the government wants tp create fear and someone in fear is easy to control. Instead they should issue a breakdown of ages, pre existing conditions, people who have had it and recovered, how many have had it and not even been tested so don't count in the figures. NOT TO MENTION IN MANY CASES NO POST MORTEM CARRIED OUT. So some of the figures will not have died of covid19 but something else yet officially count as such. This virus is scary yes nobody is trying ro down play it, it's serious but also needs perspective. Many things in this world are scary. Things in the world such as this figure....21,000 people still die every day from hunger or malnutrition globally (research it!) & have for years. This is so easily avoided but where are governments and press been when these lives are lost??. Aparantly this isn't headline news??. And these deaths are so easily avoided with the right action from governments around the globe but yet its not. No life is worth more than another. It's just how the media spins it and how close the deaths are to home for people to take notice. This virus is changing people's lives & people are managing best they can. I don't think waiting for a vaccine is workable on both the mental wellbeing of people, financially on personal, businesses or countries basis. At the moment the lockdown is in place for a reason yes, but some of it does not make sense either. You can queue at a supermarket or DIY store 2 metres apart from a stranger in front of you and 2 metres behind you, yet you can't legally have a relative in your garden 2 metres away and have a catch up??. It's definitely not time yet for the lockdown to be lifted but it is time for it to be adjusted to actually make sense and allow even just a little normality. " | |||
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"Posted already but wanted to make another note about mental health and the impact of virus as just lost a good friend (suicide).... most unlikely guy to take his own life and put it down to being isolated...so not sure if it’s good or bad thing but either way we must make sure we check on friends and family to see if they are really ok! Don’t assume please take time to check in on people. Mental health and grief of all these little numbers on the daily graphs ( that wash over those of us safe at home)is going to be an approaching tsunami of pain either way. Please make time stay safe and stay as sane as you can." Sorry to hear that lad. Condolencies. | |||
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"Posted already but wanted to make another note about mental health and the impact of virus as just lost a good friend (suicide).... most unlikely guy to take his own life and put it down to being isolated...so not sure if it’s good or bad thing but either way we must make sure we check on friends and family to see if they are really ok! Don’t assume please take time to check in on people. Mental health and grief of all these little numbers on the daily graphs ( that wash over those of us safe at home)is going to be an approaching tsunami of pain either way. Please make time stay safe and stay as sane as you can. Sorry to hear that lad. Condolencies." It's VE Day and real wars go on for years, kids are sent to safe zones, loved ones serve over seas, houses are bombed, rationing of food..... Etc etc we've been on lock down a few weeks! | |||
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"This herd immunity policy is very confusing. 1st we were told we were following it(witty I think) Then they said the science had changed. Then Hancock was on gmtv denying we had never used it (despite being contradicted) I feel like dougal in fr Ted." Its wasn't witty, he isn't that stupid. Patrick vallance mentioned it but didn't say it was policy but it almost certainly came from dominic cummings he has all sorts of weird ideas about eugenics etc. | |||
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"This herd immunity policy is very confusing. 1st we were told we were following it(witty I think) Then they said the science had changed. Then Hancock was on gmtv denying we had never used it (despite being contradicted) I feel like dougal in fr Ted. Its wasn't witty, he isn't that stupid. Patrick vallance mentioned it but didn't say it was policy but it almost certainly came from dominic cummings he has all sorts of weird ideas about eugenics etc. " I couldnt remember who it was. I know he hired some total crackpot to advise the gmnt. | |||
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