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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Also, just heard, the statistician that Boris quoted, regarding not making comparisons with other countries, has asked the PM not to use his research or name again. |
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"Also, just heard, the statistician that Boris quoted, regarding not making comparisons with other countries, has asked the PM not to use his research or name again."
Haha amazing.
I guarantee he won’t be at the next PMQ’s he will have taken paternity leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We can say this, yet there is somebody (actually, loads of people) that will claim he smashed it out of the park.
It was like he had just rolled out of bed and was bumbling around."
Probably.... sleepless nights, new baby and all that... furlough himself? |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"We can say this, yet there is somebody (actually, loads of people) that will claim he smashed it out of the park."
There are those who will argue black is white, and unfortunately many brain-dead who will believe that. |
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"We can say this, yet there is somebody (actually, loads of people) that will claim he smashed it out of the park.
It was like he had just rolled out of bed and was bumbling around.
Probably.... sleepless nights, new baby and all that... furlough himself?"
All bias aside he is absolutely atrocious when he is put on the spot.Thats why he didnt do the Andrew Neill interview. |
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It's like watching sesame street, today's briefing was brought to you by the words ermmm and uhhhh
I personally wanna puke every time I see him, Raab and Jenrick on the briefings! Pack of cunts lol |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!"
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better, |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,"
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked."
In one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked."
Exactly .... what relevance is how someone else might have been clueless too, he took the job he should either up ihs game massively or leave quickly |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just reading the draft plan, what a shambles , he’s absolutely clueless when he has to do work "
Aye hes that donkey that you had to carry at work for sure... |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow."
As repulsive and incompetent as he is, he was possibly the safest option of those available, to the public. You can blame them , scared people react in strange ways. Ultimately though, we the public are responsible , we can join parties and stand, or we can let other people do it and then say they are no good |
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"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow.
As repulsive and incompetent as he is, he was possibly the safest option of those available, to the public. You can blame them , scared people react in strange ways. Ultimately though, we the public are responsible , we can join parties and stand, or we can let other people do it and then say they are no good "
Who else stood?I cant remember now...didnt they have loads at one point?I think raab stood didnt he? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked."
Exactly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow.
As repulsive and incompetent as he is, he was possibly the safest option of those available, to the public. You can blame them , scared people react in strange ways. Ultimately though, we the public are responsible , we can join parties and stand, or we can let other people do it and then say they are no good
Who else stood?I cant remember now...didnt they have loads at one point?I think raab stood didnt he?"
Hancock was one  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow.
As repulsive and incompetent as he is, he was possibly the safest option of those available, to the public. You can blame them , scared people react in strange ways. Ultimately though, we the public are responsible , we can join parties and stand, or we can let other people do it and then say they are no good
Who else stood?I cant remember now...didnt they have loads at one point?I think raab stood didnt he?
Hancock was one "
Oh and sajid javid...wonder what happened to him |
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"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow.
As repulsive and incompetent as he is, he was possibly the safest option of those available, to the public. You can blame them , scared people react in strange ways. Ultimately though, we the public are responsible , we can join parties and stand, or we can let other people do it and then say they are no good
Who else stood?I cant remember now...didnt they have loads at one point?I think raab stood didnt he?
Hancock was one "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic IN SPITE of having a total tosser in charge.
Still the vast majority voted for him so you reap what you sow.
As repulsive and incompetent as he is, he was possibly the safest option of those available, to the public. You can blame them , scared people react in strange ways. Ultimately though, we the public are responsible , we can join parties and stand, or we can let other people do it and then say they are no good
Who else stood?I cant remember now...didnt they have loads at one point?I think raab stood didnt he?"
The party chose the leader, the public chose the party. The party chose the worse one on purpose because of Brexit , they also had a clean out of moderates. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,"
But the thread isnt about that. It's about Johnson's woeful performance at PMQ and it says it all that the only way to defend it is to divert from it completely  |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise."
I’ve heard this a lot and always confused as I think he’s a shit performer. If you listen to the actual words her say you will notice 2 things - 1/ very low word count compared to others, he rambles incompressible for at least 50% of the time so doesn’t say much, much less than others, 2/ the words themselves don't actually answer any question or give info , it’s very, very vague.
I know thick people can’t see this they just like the “feeling” of him speaking - warm, funny, racist etc - but surely there are enough voters with brains to see this ? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise."
Refuse? As in the "agenda for change" pay policy that's currently going through? |
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
I’ve heard this a lot and always confused as I think he’s a shit performer. If you listen to the actual words her say you will notice 2 things - 1/ very low word count compared to others, he rambles incompressible for at least 50% of the time so doesn’t say much, much less than others, 2/ the words themselves don't actually answer any question or give info , it’s very, very vague.
I know thick people can’t see this they just like the “feeling” of him speaking - warm, funny, racist etc - but surely there are enough voters with brains to see this ? "
He has got that image of the bumbling toff which probably helps
He certainly appeals to the daily mail brigade.
Quite why working class people would vote for him is frankly baffling.I think there is still a sense on this country that the upper classes were born to rule..they know best etc. |
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
Refuse? As in the "agenda for change" pay policy that's currently going through? "
Which agenda for change pay policy?
I have been at the top of my band for 5 years with no ability to move up, my pay hasn’t increased in those 5 years and I am expected to take on even more responsibility. The 20% pay rise was nothing more than a paper thin headline. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
I’ve heard this a lot and always confused as I think he’s a shit performer. If you listen to the actual words her say you will notice 2 things - 1/ very low word count compared to others, he rambles incompressible for at least 50% of the time so doesn’t say much, much less than others, 2/ the words themselves don't actually answer any question or give info , it’s very, very vague.
I know thick people can’t see this they just like the “feeling” of him speaking - warm, funny, racist etc - but surely there are enough voters with brains to see this ? "
"Feeling" That's what its all about. Not leadership, integrity or competency. Like Trump, Johnson's victory was down to how he made people feel. He doesn't standup to any scrutiny. His usual is a bit of bluster, a joke, an ancient Greece reference and a touch of Churchillian rhetoric.
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked."
I am defending them as the biggest question is what would you have them do differently, if they had locked down in February, you would have moaned it was too early,had they brought testing in earlier , you would have moaned they were wasting tests, they just cant win, and my point is whoever was in charge people would still moan |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked.
I am defending them as the biggest question is what would you have them do differently, if they had locked down in February, you would have moaned it was too early,had they brought testing in earlier , you would have moaned they were wasting tests, they just cant win, and my point is whoever was in charge people would still moan"
The thread is about pmq.
Speculating what labour would have done is completely irrelevant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked.
I am defending them as the biggest question is what would you have them do differently, if they had locked down in February, you would have moaned it was too early,had they brought testing in earlier , you would have moaned they were wasting tests, they just cant win, and my point is whoever was in charge people would still moan"
Nope, I personally, stopped seeing my mum or letting my 3 year old see her 2 weeks before the lockdown. I'm some idiot on a forum, if I saw that, how did he not?? |
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"I think the goverment has done a fantastic job during the start of this pandemic
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Which is presumably why the UK has no testing at airports, no quarantine, unenforced "guidelines" (look at the Telegraph's picture of Bournemouth prom, with a police car surrounded by people out for a stroll) instead of a proper lockdown, testing figures made-up to suit, PPE guidelines made-up to suit what's in the warehouse (according to NHS staff) "testing" figures that include 'capacity" not actual tests, "testing figures" that count the number of tests carried-out, not the number of people tested ("sorry Mr Smith, it's not clear, can I just test you again?") no track and trace, and jolly japes and smirking boasts about shaking hands when the day before the PM was told clearly what the dangers were.
That IS a fantastic job. Fantastic as in a fantasy. This government has achieved one thing only: the highest Covid19 death rate in Europe. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
I’ve heard this a lot and always confused as I think he’s a shit performer. If you listen to the actual words her say you will notice 2 things - 1/ very low word count compared to others, he rambles incompressible for at least 50% of the time so doesn’t say much, much less than others, 2/ the words themselves don't actually answer any question or give info , it’s very, very vague.
I know thick people can’t see this they just like the “feeling” of him speaking - warm, funny, racist etc - but surely there are enough voters with brains to see this ? "
Think of the songs which top the charts, are they the complex melodies of Jazz or the great symphonies? No, they are the simple pop songs that are largely repetitive and easy to hum along to and remember, it’s always been that way.
Simple, repetitive messages are the easiest ways to get things across and they require little brain power so people like them, especially if they reinforce views they already hold.
Johnson is well aware of this and exploits it brilliantly, that added to him being the very definition of what a stupid person thinks a clever person is only makes his performance more powerful.
Johnson is no great intellectual but he knows exactly what he is doing, the question now is can he change his act so he’s not made to look like an idiot every week by Starmer? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What would I have done?? Hmm, I'd not pull at arbitrary numbers out of my arse then fiddle the numbers to meet that figure.
Nobody expected them to get everything right, but we do expect honesty. If we can't trust them going into this, how can we trust them to get us out??? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked.
I am defending them as the biggest question is what would you have them do differently, if they had locked down in February, you would have moaned it was too early,had they brought testing in earlier , you would have moaned they were wasting tests, they just cant win, and my point is whoever was in charge people would still moan"
you can't argue that globally socialist governments have done a far better job than right wing conservative governments no comparison when you look at the facts |
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
Refuse? As in the "agenda for change" pay policy that's currently going through? "
I was using the example of when the Tories cheered as they stopped a pay rise for NHS staff as example of their behaviour, I’m sure there will be another one along soon where they shit on the NHS from an equally great height and then I’ll use that one. |
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At the start of all this I thought he was doing an ok job. Now I'm happy to admit I was wrong. Lots of mistakes made, highest death rate in Europe, PPE debacle still with us, care homes still not getting enough support etc. Good decisions made about financial support in terms of furlough etc. However we're going to pay for that massively for years and I bet the NHS will go back to being severely under funded. The list is endless |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked.
I am defending them as the biggest question is what would you have them do differently, if they had locked down in February, you would have moaned it was too early,had they brought testing in earlier , you would have moaned they were wasting tests, they just cant win, and my point is whoever was in charge people would still moanyou can't argue that globally socialist governments have done a far better job than right wing conservative governments no comparison when you look at the facts "
Where have I argued any such thing, I have argued that whatever action had been taken you would be moaning |
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By *mfd.Man
over a year ago
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You are all ready to slag Boris off yet, i assume have been socially distancing , not seeing your family etc .
Taking direction from his government ministers...
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
Refuse? As in the "agenda for change" pay policy that's currently going through?
I was using the example of when the Tories cheered as they stopped a pay rise for NHS staff as example of their behaviour, I’m sure there will be another one along soon where they shit on the NHS from an equally great height and then I’ll use that one."
That clip is actually of Conservative MPs cheering (as all parties do), the defeat of the Labour amendments to the Queens Speech.
Whilst there was an amendment concerning nhs pay, it wasn't specific to that. Labour managed to spin it that way.
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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With the risk of being flayed alive I am not secret on the forums as being on the other side of the political fence to most on this thread
I think Sir Kier showed in PMQ that you can argue your point in a respectful manor. He did not insult anyone or question anyone's intelligence. He pushes quite rightly where needed and supports where needed
A strong opposition is vital and I think from early indications we have it
How he develops policy is for later and like all leaders will face the voters |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You are all ready to slag Boris off yet, i assume have been socially distancing , not seeing your family etc .
Taking direction from his government ministers...
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Yep, as much as possible. Put it this way, I didn't shake hands with anybody who I absolutely knew had Covid 19. Actually, s lot of people who had Covid 19, and on the same day scientists said to avoid shaking hands. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
Labour are not in power. I prefer to look at reality and not what might of been. If the best defence of this government you can muster is 'they are not as bad as that lot' well, we really are fucked.
I am defending them as the biggest question is what would you have them do differently, if they had locked down in February, you would have moaned it was too early,had they brought testing in earlier , you would have moaned they were wasting tests, they just cant win, and my point is whoever was in charge people would still moan"
As soon as we seen how it was hitting italy, with a local school near me closing down with the kids that had come back from a skiing trip there.
Plus testing kits would have probably been easier to source...that was my thoughts back then. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,"
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back."
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck |
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a performer, not a politician. He’s a very good performer though, up there with the best, but performers need an audience to play to and without that they are lost.
You could see him waiting for the braying from the back benches yesterday and when it didn’t come he shrank a little, he was like the naughty schoolboy trapped in a lie by headmaster Starmer.
He will be picked apart like that every week by Starmer, it just won’t look quite so bad when he has his backbenchers to roar and cheer when he refuses the nurses a pay rise.
Refuse? As in the "agenda for change" pay policy that's currently going through?
I was using the example of when the Tories cheered as they stopped a pay rise for NHS staff as example of their behaviour, I’m sure there will be another one along soon where they shit on the NHS from an equally great height and then I’ll use that one.
That clip is actually of Conservative MPs cheering (as all parties do), the defeat of the Labour amendments to the Queens Speech.
Whilst there was an amendment concerning nhs pay, it wasn't specific to that. Labour managed to spin it that way.
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What was the labour amendment? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back."
How is it stabbing on The back exactly? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back."
Love it. You know people are clutching at straws when they say:
But if everything was different and it was someone else then maybe they would have done a worse job. So there. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Love it. You know people are clutching at straws when they say:
But if everything was different and it was someone else then maybe they would have done a worse job. So there."
They're always the first to ask for evidence too  |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Love it. You know people are clutching at straws when they say:
But if everything was different and it was someone else then maybe they would have done a worse job. So there.
They're always the first to ask for evidence too "
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck"
Sunak takes advice from government advisers , so does Boris. |
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Derry |
"No matter who was in office they would of taken a kicking for how they handled covid.
Do you think we have the worst blame culture in the world "
You're saying it's the UK's politcal culture as opposed to how it has been handled? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
Sunak takes advice from government advisers , so does Boris."
Well, they did well there then. Though, didn't have much choice. So, back to the health side. You must be one of the people Boris was talking about that are amazed by our 'success' at tackling this thing?? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
Sunak takes advice from government advisers , so does Boris.
Well, they did well there then. Though, didn't have much choice. So, back to the health side. You must be one of the people Boris was talking about that are amazed by our 'success' at tackling this thing??"
Does your sarcasm come naturally?
It's not attractive. |
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"Boris was lost at parliament today.
No allies.
Only thing he says is want this done...
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Think it might be the 'new' Father syndrome and early morning feeds! |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
Sunak takes advice from government advisers , so does Boris.
Well, they did well there then. Though, didn't have much choice. So, back to the health side. You must be one of the people Boris was talking about that are amazed by our 'success' at tackling this thing??
Does your sarcasm come naturally?
It's not attractive. "
I merely asking questions. If you want to deflect, fine. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck"
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits |
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"No matter who was in office they would of taken a kicking for how they handled covid.
Do you think we have the worst blame culture in the world
You're saying it's the UK's politcal culture as opposed to how it has been handled?"
I’m saying we blame the government for everything
Although I’m not a fan of politicians in general not everything is there fault
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits"
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises."
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?"
Indeed they did. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?"
No arguments there. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"No matter who was in office they would of taken a kicking for how they handled covid.
Do you think we have the worst blame culture in the world
You're saying it's the UK's politcal culture as opposed to how it has been handled?
I’m saying we blame the government for everything
Although I’m not a fan of politicians in general not everything is there fault
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Well where would you draw the line? |
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"No matter who was in office they would of taken a kicking for how they handled covid.
Do you think we have the worst blame culture in the world "
If they did a bad job, it doesn't matter who they are, or what party they belong to. They should be open to critisism.
I don't call that "blame culture" I call it trying to hold accountable those who have done a bad job. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there."
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for? |
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Derry |
"If you don’t think Britain has a major problem with blame culture then you must be blind "
Well yes and no, the British media loves build 'em up before knocking them down but when it comes to politics it is a much more polarised affair. It's been a case of 'my team, right or wrong' Saying 'your team would have been worse' is a common deflection. The media hasn't turned on the Govt yet, in my opinion. |
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"If you don’t think Britain has a major problem with blame culture then you must be blind "
I'm not saying we don't.
However taking about holding the government accountable for the mistakes that have been made while tens of thousands of people gave died. Seems reasonable to me. |
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"If you don’t think Britain has a major problem with blame culture then you must be blind "
It absolutely has but that shouldn't mean we don't hold the government to account though, they are the people responsible so they must take responsibility for either success or failure, and currently it's the latter. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for? "
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor. |
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I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,"
What about Churchill, Thatcher, Lloyd George etc..?
The buck stops at the top not at who might have done things differently..
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor."
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope. "
Pretty hard to argue against that..
I class myself as centre left but was saying on here after he became leader that he would never be PM..
Whilst liking some of his core principles it just was not going to happen with this electorate.. |
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I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope. "
You asked for my opinion.
Corbyn polled more votes than Miliband or brown in 2017.
We have had 1 left wing gmnt in this country in the last 80 years
If working class people wanna vote for a party that decimated their industries 30 years ago and will,most likely,make their lives worse,quite frankly have only themselves to blame.
And a lot of the actual policies of labour made perfect sense . |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope. "
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Pretty hard to argue against that..
I class myself as centre left but was saying on here after he became leader that he would never be PM..
Whilst liking some of his core principles it just was not going to happen with this electorate.. "
I’d very much class myself as a centrist. We may be closer than you think! That’ll give you sleepless nights |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
You asked for my opinion.
Corbyn polled more votes than Miliband or brown in 2017.
We have had 1 left wing gmnt in this country in the last 80 years
If working class people wanna vote for a party that decimated their industries 30 years ago and will,most likely,make their lives worse,quite frankly have only themselves to blame.
And a lot of the actual policies of labour made perfect sense ."
Attlee?
That’s an argument for another day huh? |
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If working class people wanna vote for a party that decimated their industries 30 years ago and will,most likely,make their lives worse,quite frankly have only themselves to blame.
And a lot of the actual policies of labour made perfect sense ."
I feel your frustration mate as I live near the breached red wall...fucking nutters I call them to the face.. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster "
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
You asked for my opinion.
Corbyn polled more votes than Miliband or brown in 2017.
We have had 1 left wing gmnt in this country in the last 80 years
If working class people wanna vote for a party that decimated their industries 30 years ago and will,most likely,make their lives worse,quite frankly have only themselves to blame.
And a lot of the actual policies of labour made perfect sense .
Attlee?
That’s an argument for another day huh?"
Teresa may adopted a few of them.
Increase low wages.
Re nationaliston
Bringing back freeschool meals
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If working class people wanna vote for a party that decimated their industries 30 years ago and will,most likely,make their lives worse,quite frankly have only themselves to blame.
And a lot of the actual policies of labour made perfect sense .
I feel your frustration mate as I live near the breached red wall...fucking nutters I call them to the face.."
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Pretty hard to argue against that..
I class myself as centre left but was saying on here after he became leader that he would never be PM..
Whilst liking some of his core principles it just was not going to happen with this electorate..
I’d very much class myself as a centrist. We may be closer than you think! That’ll give you sleepless nights "
Not at all, on some issues I was once called a light blue by another union rep..
Mind you on other issues we were of one mind and he was a bit of a raving trot.
The vast majority in this country are centre left or right, its why Blair who I once had a row in the strangers bar with one staunch blairite for describing him as a used car salesman was so successful..
Which a lot of tories who voted for him then and hate him now can't stand being reminded of..  |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous."
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. "
A fairer society
Better funded public services
Cheaper travel
A focus on society as a whole rather those at the top
Depends which way you look at it |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. "
only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times "
When exactly? |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times
When exactly?"
trickle down effect doesn't work never has jobs are created by market demand not tax cuts for the rich that has been proven |
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If corbyn got in he was going to tax companies more so they in turn would have cut rates
People I work for had already said they would be cutting there rates if labour got In
Labour would of been bad for the majority this is why they got beaten so easily by a party that wasn’t in any way great |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times
When exactly?trickle down effect doesn't work never has jobs are created by market demand not tax cuts for the rich that has been proven "
jobs are actually created by pay rises for the middle classes because they actually spend the extra money in local businesses that has also been proven countless times |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times "
2 grand a week ....aw bless them.
I know people tied up for the full day from 7 till 10 at night 6 days a week on zero hours for little over a grand a month.
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"If corbyn got in he was going to tax companies more so they in turn would have cut rates
People I work for had already said they would be cutting there rates if labour got In
Labour would of been bad for the majority this is why they got beaten so easily by a party that wasn’t in any way great "
only larger companies who currently don't pay anything |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times
When exactly?trickle down effect doesn't work never has jobs are created by market demand not tax cuts for the rich that has been proven "
The trickle down effect is when the rich are paid more and its expected to trickle down to the less well off.
Tax cuts for the rich is the opposite of what you are suggesting. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times
When exactly?trickle down effect doesn't work never has jobs are created by market demand not tax cuts for the rich that has been proven jobs are actually created by pay rises for the middle classes because they actually spend the extra money in local businesses that has also been proven countless times "
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"Everyone in construction would be worse off under Corbyn
They don’t earn over 100k a year
How so?"
They would have been taxed more...and they are all out for themselves.
But the fools from the breached red wall were on nothing like that. |
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People I work for had already said they would be cutting there rates if labour got In
Labour would of been bad for the majority this is why they got beaten so easily by a party that wasn’t in any way great "
Please explain how creating a fairer society would have been worse for everyone?
He proposed to go after companies who pay as little as possible in tax. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times
When exactly?trickle down effect doesn't work never has jobs are created by market demand not tax cuts for the rich that has been proven jobs are actually created by pay rises for the middle classes because they actually spend the extra money in local businesses that has also been proven countless times
When exactly?"
Google it in the American cities where minimum wage increased to 15 dollars an hour jobs in the service sector increased inline the wealthy don't spend they hoard you know that you are just being argumentative every working class person that voted conservative did so for Brexit no other reason |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?"
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck
It's damned to easy to print money and give it away, it's a lot harder to magic up PPE and test kits
The last 9 years (and before, all governments have done tons certain extent) helped magic away our capability to deal with such a crises.
While the British people stood back, watched and kept voting for them ?
No arguments there.
Because there was no effective opposition to vote for?
In the last few years?
Depends which way you look at it.In 2017 corbyn came from no where and forced teresa may into a minority gmnt and there was genuine hope for the future.
Brexit was obviously a massive issue.Corbyn was absolutely slaughtered in the media.Labour moved back to its roots but we live in a country where the electorate are overwhelmingly conservative.
He was immensely popular in certain parts of the country and amongst the young but he was always up against it.
Brexit was the crucial factor.
Many ifs and buts, but the truth is the Labour Party was hopeless and couldn’t get elected. They were shit in every aspect and let the government off the hook in every respect. The most appalling government we’ve had in years under Cameron and May were made to look good by the opposition. Corbyn and co are as much to blame for the current government getting in as anyone.
Thank god for Keir Starmer. There might be some hope.
Totally agree with above we voted for the best of a bad bunch I voted for conservative as having Corbin as pm would of been a disaster
Yep I can imagine having someone who actually gives a fuck about working people in power being absolutely calamitous.
I think he gives a fuck about very low paid / min wage and jobless people in the UK and international causes, but he promised nothing for the majority of working class people or any one with aspirations to earn above minimum wage. only people earning more than 100k would of been worse off under Corbyn we have just been programmed to believe that not taxing the rich fairly leads to job creation for the poor which has been disproven countless times
When exactly?trickle down effect doesn't work never has jobs are created by market demand not tax cuts for the rich that has been proven jobs are actually created by pay rises for the middle classes because they actually spend the extra money in local businesses that has also been proven countless times
When exactly?Google it in the American cities where minimum wage increased to 15 dollars an hour jobs in the service sector increased inline the wealthy don't spend they hoard you know that you are just being argumentative every working class person that voted conservative did so for Brexit no other reason "
So your "evidence'is something of the internet.
Brilliant.
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"If corbyn got in he was going to tax companies more so they in turn would have cut rates
People I work for had already said they would be cutting there rates if labour got In
Labour would of been bad for the majority this is why they got beaten so easily by a party that wasn’t in any way great
Please explain how creating a fairer society would have been worse for everyone?
He proposed to go after companies who pay as little as possible in tax."
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"Absolute rubbish the next few years would have been bleak no matter who was in charge due to corona
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you say that but look at socialist countries around the world South Korea 51 million people 248 total deaths because their government was very fast to react New Zealand Scandinavia our government sucked balls they did a bad job |
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Everyone’s entitled to an opinion
But I’m thinking to myself what the fuck am talking about politics we are on this site to meet people and have naughty fun plus the escapism
Enjoy the sun |
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"The shitshow that the UK has found itself in now really is the chickens coming home to roost. With a confederacy of dunces and a blustering fool at the helm."
Who was deemed far better than the other dunces and blustering fool. This whole thing is a failure of the political establishment.
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"A lot of his fans seem to be ignoring this thread for once!"
Likewise.
Probably because his performance at PMQs have shown him up as the chancer he's always been and this the guy in charge in our darkest hour. |
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Reality is there has been no opposition to hold the Govt. to account. Strong opposition makes for strong Govt.
Labour supporters who created splits in the Party between the Blairite and Momentum are as big a part of the problem as the Tory led Govt.
Labour supporters, look in the mirror and realise you didn't get behind your party enough and the country gave Boris an 80 seat majority. You are part of the problem so stop complaining. |
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"Reality is there has been no opposition to hold the Govt. to account. Strong opposition makes for strong Govt.
Labour supporters who created splits in the Party between the Blairite and Momentum are as big a part of the problem as the Tory led Govt.
Labour supporters, look in the mirror and realise you didn't get behind your party enough and the country gave Boris an 80 seat majority. You are part of the problem so stop complaining."
isn't it strange though that pure socialist government like what Corbyn proposed are the ones that are doing the best with this virus south Korea new Zealand and Scandinavia and the hard right government we have and America are doi6the worst |
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"If corbyn got in he was going to tax companies more so they in turn would have cut rates
People I work for had already said they would be cutting there rates if labour got In
Labour would of been bad for the majority this is why they got beaten so easily by a party that wasn’t in any way great
Please explain how creating a fairer society would have been worse for everyone?
He proposed to go after companies who pay as little as possible in tax."
You can’t create wealth by dividing it, and you can’t legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of it.
Once you take away aspiration it’s a full on race to the bottom, that’s the reality of your equality. |
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"Reality is there has been no opposition to hold the Govt. to account. Strong opposition makes for strong Govt.
Labour supporters who created splits in the Party between the Blairite and Momentum are as big a part of the problem as the Tory led Govt.
Labour supporters, look in the mirror and realise you didn't get behind your party enough and the country gave Boris an 80 seat majority. You are part of the problem so stop complaining."
So the people who voted for a party that are not in power are partly to blame for a crises which is being handled by a different party.?
Please explain that to me. |
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"If corbyn got in he was going to tax companies more so they in turn would have cut rates
People I work for had already said they would be cutting there rates if labour got In
Labour would of been bad for the majority this is why they got beaten so easily by a party that wasn’t in any way great
Please explain how creating a fairer society would have been worse for everyone?
He proposed to go after companies who pay as little as possible in tax.
You can’t create wealth by dividing it, and you can’t legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of it.
Once you take away aspiration it’s a full on race to the bottom, that’s the reality of your equality. "
Who took away aspiration?
He wanted to lift people out of poverty by increasing the wages and making the rich pay little bit more.
Its actually jaw dropping that normal people actually argue for a system where the gap between rich and poor has never been wider.
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"Reality is there has been no opposition to hold the Govt. to account. Strong opposition makes for strong Govt.
Labour supporters who created splits in the Party between the Blairite and Momentum are as big a part of the problem as the Tory led Govt.
Labour supporters, look in the mirror and realise you didn't get behind your party enough and the country gave Boris an 80 seat majority. You are part of the problem so stop complaining.
So the people who voted for a party that are not in power are partly to blame for a crises which is being handled by a different party.?
Please explain that to me."
Yeah, I’m struggling to understand too.
Wasn’t the problem having a minority and NOW you have the majority, there should be an effective opposition to stop the government you voted for doing what you elected them to do?
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"Reality is there has been no opposition to hold the Govt. to account. Strong opposition makes for strong Govt.
Labour supporters who created splits in the Party between the Blairite and Momentum are as big a part of the problem as the Tory led Govt.
Labour supporters, look in the mirror and realise you didn't get behind your party enough and the country gave Boris an 80 seat majority. You are part of the problem so stop complaining.
So the people who voted for a party that are not in power are partly to blame for a crises which is being handled by a different party.?
Please explain that to me.
Yeah, I’m struggling to understand too.
Wasn’t the problem having a minority and NOW you have the majority, there should be an effective opposition to stop the government you voted for doing what you elected them to do?
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Imagine if Corbyn was on power?
Actually its hus fault cos he isnt in power. |
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"I'm waiting for somebody to post on the thread how he performed amazingly.....I'm sure it will happen!
I certainly won't say that, however it is very wrong to believe labour would be handling this any better,
I'll second that.
Probably lots of people sitting at home, getting 80% of their wages, now stabbing him in the back.
Don't get me wrong, Sunak has done a good job. The money side of things has been very good. The health side....and absolute clusterfuck"
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"Reality is there has been no opposition to hold the Govt. to account. Strong opposition makes for strong Govt.
Labour supporters who created splits in the Party between the Blairite and Momentum are as big a part of the problem as the Tory led Govt.
Labour supporters, look in the mirror and realise you didn't get behind your party enough and the country gave Boris an 80 seat majority. You are part of the problem so stop complaining.
So the people who voted for a party that are not in power are partly to blame for a crises which is being handled by a different party.?
Please explain that to me.
Yeah, I’m struggling to understand too.
Wasn’t the problem having a minority and NOW you have the majority, there should be an effective opposition to stop the government you voted for doing what you elected them to do?
Imagine if Corbyn was on power?
Actually its hus fault cos he isnt in power."
Could be worse, what about Nige |
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