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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " It's ok As long as they bang saucepans on their doorsteps on a Thursday night they should be allowed  | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Switzerland is not in the EU. | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" but the swiss aint in the e.u and i was under the impression brexit voters voted to leave the e.u.we cant lwave europe its a continent | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK" The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" We're breaking links with the European Union which in turn does break links with European nations that are in the European Union but not Europe as a whole. | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test." This 
Although like always our government is slow on the up take and it seems other countries are looking to buy up the tests asap.
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. This
Although like always our government is slow on the up take and it seems other countries are looking to buy up the tests asap.
KJ "every country will be. And thought some other countries had already got one. Which cares as long as we have one. | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. This
Although like always our government is slow on the up take and it seems other countries are looking to buy up the tests asap.
KJ every country will be. And thought some other countries had already got one. Which cares as long as we have one. "The point is even though Edinburgh scientists have announced this test break through as it stands none will see the light of day in the UK as other countries are buying them all up. Part of the reason is this test needs lab based results and the uk wants the on the spot result kits but it's those which have been way to unreliable. KJ | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test." Good old Scotland again | |||
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"Why do some people link Covid-19 with Brexit. It makes no sense "Brexit is going to be blamed for everything by remainers for year's lol | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " What on earth has Brexit got to do with it ?? | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Switzerland is not in the EU that is why they are so successfull | |||
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"Why do some people link Covid-19 with Brexit. It makes no sense "If I answer this I would get banned sadly | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. Good old Scotland again "Let’s climb over the wall & nick it from them  | |||
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"Roche antibody approved by FDA. Expect the same here in the next 2 week. Game changer. France found Covid in pneumonia patients from swabs taken in December. Proves how long this has been around and suppressed by Chinese government. Know myself people who have had this virus (full symptoms) on return from December holidays. Trump maybe a loose cannon (is), but something he was saying are proving true. Merkel and EU criticised him for closing US airports, but then they do the same. All been Chinese white wash. If outbound flights from Wuhan had been stopped less people would be dead now ?? "Or maybe it was a french citizen who took it into China    | |||
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"Roche antibody approved by FDA. Expect the same here in the next 2 week. Game changer. France found Covid in pneumonia patients from swabs taken in December. Proves how long this has been around and suppressed by Chinese government. Know myself people who have had this virus (full symptoms) on return from December holidays. Trump maybe a loose cannon (is), but something he was saying are proving true. Merkel and EU criticised him for closing US airports, but then they do the same. All been Chinese white wash. If outbound flights from Wuhan had been stopped less people would be dead now ?? "Isn't it others fault for not stopping flights coming in from China / Wuhan? | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" And they say the brexit supporters were mis informed.  | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Switzerland isn't in the EU but dont let that get in the way lol. | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. Good old Scotland again
Let’s climb over the wall & nick it from them "Best watch out for the men in kilts then ha | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" We are in Europe but not the EU come December, just like Switzerland lol. You are digging yourself a bigger hole. | |||
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"Will the antibody test be available to everybody, and what about if some people can be reinfected, will that still make the antibody test worth while?" That's something they need to find out. We cant wait for this test because we have both had covid. | |||
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"Will the antibody test be available to everybody, and what about if some people can be reinfected, will that still make the antibody test worth while?" https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721. They are saying you can not get it twice | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Why? Switzerland isn't part of the EU it is independent like the UK! | |||
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"Will the antibody test be available to everybody, and what about if some people can be reinfected, will that still make the antibody test worth while? https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721. They are saying you can not get it twice" Great thanks for that. If this is a working and suitable antibody test, then today is a good news day. | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own We are in Europe but not the EU come December, just like Switzerland lol. You are digging yourself a bigger hole." Switzerland is in EEA. Brexit will put UK out of EEA too. Just saying... | |||
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"A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required " Did you drink disinfectant? | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own We are in Europe but not the EU come December, just like Switzerland lol. You are digging yourself a bigger hole. Switzerland is in EEA. Brexit will put UK out of EEA too. Just saying..." You knew what she meant lol. | |||
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"A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required Did you drink disinfectant?" Ok so currently we have a slightly controlled RANDOM program of infection An anti body positive test will give a human their freedom What do you think some will do ???? I'll say again A controlled (not random) program of infections MAY be required Else you most likely will get a program of uncontrolled self infections ??? | |||
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"Hopefully this will be freely available could be a game changer for UK to return to normal " This. | |||
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"A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required Did you drink disinfectant? Ok so currently we have a slightly controlled RANDOM program of infection An anti body positive test will give a human their freedom What do you think some will do ???? I'll say again A controlled (not random) program of infections MAY be required Else you most likely will get a program of uncontrolled self infections ??? " So your proposal is to add purposely infected people to the numbers of "randomly" infected people... to obtain what? More deaths? | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " OMG | |||
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"A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required Did you drink disinfectant? Ok so currently we have a slightly controlled RANDOM program of infection An anti body positive test will give a human their freedom What do you think some will do ???? I'll say again A controlled (not random) program of infections MAY be required Else you most likely will get a program of uncontrolled self infections ??? So your proposal is to add purposely infected people to the numbers of "randomly" infected people... to obtain what? More deaths?" Actually no not in addition And hopefully less deaths So why would we infect 65 plus ? Second If you ask for volunteers Who once infected have a full lockdown no secondary infections occur They statistically have good chance of recovery As apossed to the same volunteers Going into the wide word actively looking to be infected I also pointed out that the vulnerable section of society need to isolate more thus reducing deaths Obviously by the stats the vulnerable 65 plus are not sticking to the rules are they It takes two the spreader and the catcher Not all of the deaths are innocent in their own infections I'll reiterate The above is a scenario based upon a two tier freedom based upon a test result IF , IF a positive result gives additional liberties then some will actively try to self infect THIS WILL cause needless death Lockdown will exist until A . enough have had it B a vaccination I'd suggest if a vaccination is not forthcoming then controlled infection of medically tested for health individuals is superior not ideal or wanted than random infections | |||
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"It will be good to see what proportion of the population have been infected If a large number then it's good news but if it's a small % then it we are still where we are now waiting for a vaccine " The maths suggests 2 million max | |||
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"It will be good to see what proportion of the population have been infected If a large number then it's good news but if it's a small % then it we are still where we are now waiting for a vaccine The maths suggests 2 million max" If this turns out correct then it won't make any difference | |||
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"So please let's take the national pride and Brexit put of this and deal with the implications???? So logically a test is given Person A tests positive for antibodies Let's assume for a moment re infection is either not possible or statistically very unlikely So person A Allowed to roam the world Now if the statistics are to be belived most likely less than 2 million Britons have had this Thus person B They test negative and must adhere to lockdown rules so in order that "they wont catch it " Thus person B is forced to be second class citizens The fab lynch mob threatening bodily harm if they leave the home because they WILL catch it WILL spread it and WILL KILL others Person B has two choices Lose their liberties until the vaccine is not developed Or go onto the black market and aim for infection The whole thing is a moral nightmare I think however I maybe suggesting that IF the antibodies test is reliable AND reinfection is statistically low to non THEN A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required Whilst ensuring the absolute most potentially vulnerable are exceptionally well shielded from any exposure WHY OH WHY OH FUCKING WHY is there petty nonsense regarding which country is best and Brexit is beyond me For fucks sake this needs joined up international thinking " just one more thing I'm not sure about though that may be someone has answered or can answer, if somebody has the test, and has the antibodies, even if they are free to roam does that not mean they can carry it and pass it to other people, even if that's just in the form of having touched a door somewhere and then touching their own front door, or or a neighbor's etc when helping them? | |||
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"Vaccine Vaccine Vaccine is all you hear about, the NHS have been giving out the flu vaccine for year's but not cured the flu yet. So a vaccine is a none starter and they know it, just trying to keep your sprites up while the virus passes through the population. " Theoretically with social restrictions that's a possible rate of 1 million a month 30 to 40 million to go 12 months in a year Its suggested any more than that rate and the NHS will be overwhelmed and more deaths A vaccination may or may not occur????? | |||
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"So please let's take the national pride and Brexit put of this and deal with the implications???? So logically a test is given Person A tests positive for antibodies Let's assume for a moment re infection is either not possible or statistically very unlikely So person A Allowed to roam the world Now if the statistics are to be belived most likely less than 2 million Britons have had this Thus person B They test negative and must adhere to lockdown rules so in order that "they wont catch it " Thus person B is forced to be second class citizens The fab lynch mob threatening bodily harm if they leave the home because they WILL catch it WILL spread it and WILL KILL others Person B has two choices Lose their liberties until the vaccine is not developed Or go onto the black market and aim for infection The whole thing is a moral nightmare I think however I maybe suggesting that IF the antibodies test is reliable AND reinfection is statistically low to non THEN A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required Whilst ensuring the absolute most potentially vulnerable are exceptionally well shielded from any exposure WHY OH WHY OH FUCKING WHY is there petty nonsense regarding which country is best and Brexit is beyond me For fucks sake this needs joined up international thinking just one more thing I'm not sure about though that may be someone has answered or can answer, if somebody has the test, and has the antibodies, even if they are free to roam does that not mean they can carry it and pass it to other people, even if that's just in the form of having touched a door somewhere and then touching their own front door, or or a neighbor's etc when helping them?" Seriously that's actually a fair point however I'm "guessing" transmissions that way would be fairly rare due to time however certainly plausible | |||
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"I'm so shocked how people can turn a positive into a negative. It's got fuck all to do with brexit or politics, it's something that could help everyone. I despair at how miserable and filled with hatred some of you are. "Hatred? It was just one silly woman who tried to make some kind of Brexit point over and got her facts horribly wrong. Shd just got corrected by a few on here . No hatred. The antibody tests are really good news. Regardless where they were researched. | |||
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"It's probably won't be the old that deliberately try to get infected, but the youngsters, who expect to recover and want to get on with their lives. Don't forget that a lot of these youngsters are working in care homes and the NHS by day, but can't have full lives outside work. " I'll state now I would sign up I'd expect my health to be checked for suitability I'd expect to quarantine at home zero contact 21 days minimum Personality I'd accept a dnr But I dont think emergency care unreasonable | |||
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"Why do some people link Covid-19 with Brexit. It makes no sense "Because if you are in the EU club you do not get COVID-19 - oh but wait | |||
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"I'm so shocked how people can turn a positive into a negative. It's got fuck all to do with brexit or politics, it's something that could help everyone. I despair at how miserable and filled with hatred some of you are.
Hatred?
It was just one silly woman who tried to make some kind of Brexit point over and got her facts horribly wrong.
Shd just got corrected by a few on here .
No hatred.
The antibody tests are really good news.
Regardless where they were researched. "Yes there is hatred, political point scoring and negativity, the forum is filled with it these days. It's very sad. | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK" No it wasn't! | |||
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"Where did the 99.8% figure come from 99.8% of what ?" Scientific testing I would suggest. Are you a scientist? | |||
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"I'm so shocked how people can turn a positive into a negative. It's got fuck all to do with brexit or politics, it's something that could help everyone. I despair at how miserable and filled with hatred some of you are.
Hatred?
It was just one silly woman who tried to make some kind of Brexit point over and got her facts horribly wrong.
Shd just got corrected by a few on here .
No hatred.
The antibody tests are really good news.
Regardless where they were researched.
Yes there is hatred, political point scoring and negativity, the forum is filled with it these days. It's very sad. "It's ironic that the only one trying to point score was her and she got it horribly wrong lol. | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" Switzerland is in the mainland of Europe but it's NOT in the EU. | |||
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"Vaccine Vaccine Vaccine is all you hear about, the NHS have been giving out the flu vaccine for year's but not cured the flu yet. So a vaccine is a none starter and they know it, just trying to keep your sprites up while the virus passes through the population. " They can’t cure the flu... each seasonal flu virus is different from the year before. The vaccines come fro the previous years flu strain with a guesstimate on how much the virus has mutated. Everyone would need to get the vaccine for it to be a cure..... unfortunately no Dr or scientist can see the future viruses and create a vaccine for it x | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual." Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? | |||
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"Unbelievable how a thread about some British success gets transformed in to a Brexit / Political debate! Not only that, but many of the responses are talking about an entirely different test - unbelievable. How do you delete a thread? "Nearly as unbelievable as you seeing a news headline about a development from a pharmaceutical multinational as an occasion for some delusional opportunistic flag waving. | |||
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"Unbelievable how a thread about some British success gets transformed in to a Brexit / Political debate! Not only that, but many of the responses are talking about an entirely different test - unbelievable. How do you delete a thread?
Nearly as unbelievable as you seeing a news headline about a development from a pharmaceutical multinational as an occasion for some delusional opportunistic flag waving."Proud to be British - jog on theres a good chap! | |||
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"Love to know if I had it after skiing trip to Bulgaria. Came back and promptly got a really nasty chest infection which is still hanging around now. I for one would like to get my hands on one if it's reliable." You probably did. I had the same, was pumped with antibiotics, inhalers and steroids and nothing touched it | |||
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" Nearly as unbelievable as you seeing a news headline about a development from a pharmaceutical multinational as an occasion for some delusional opportunistic flag waving." | |||
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" So your proposal is to add purposely infected people to the numbers of "randomly" infected people... to obtain what? More deaths?" Isn't this the same concept as herd immunity? | |||
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"Unbelievable how a thread about some British success gets transformed in to a Brexit / Political debate! Not only that, but many of the responses are talking about an entirely different test - unbelievable. How do you delete a thread?
Nearly as unbelievable as you seeing a news headline about a development from a pharmaceutical multinational as an occasion for some delusional opportunistic flag waving.
Proud to be British - jog on theres a good chap!" | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" Switzerland is in Europe, but it is not a member of the EU | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? " What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address?" All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Like many I fear a vaccine or cure is a long way off but let's hope we are wrong on that So you think anyone that voted brexit should not get a vaccine/ cure if its not developed in the UK. Does that mean if a vaccine/ cure is developed in the UK then anyone that voted remain does not get it? | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. " You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Switzerland have never been in the EU....got too much sense! | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. Switzerland have never been in the EU....got too much sense!" | |||
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"Britain at its best yet again. British scientists have made an 99.8% guaranteed Antibody test. At last a test that is useful, let the testing begin! " Good news, I couldn’t care less who invents the vaccine though  | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news." What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK" Haha | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? " Well, I don't know if they had been assessed by independent third-party and what the result was. But, afaik, all those companies claim sensivity and specificity between 97% and 100%. | |||
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"I'm so shocked how people can turn a positive into a negative. It's got fuck all to do with brexit or politics, it's something that could help everyone. I despair at how miserable and filled with hatred some of you are. "it isnt just on here. This is a win It's a plus... xx | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK Haha "It was not invented by anyone It has been developed by the co operation of thousands of humans from different nations and backgrounds over many years and many hours of dedication Seriously fucking flag wavers 
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? Well, I don't know if they had been assessed by independent third-party and what the result was. But, afaik, all those companies claim sensivity and specificity between 97% and 100%." If they don't say the accuracy its a bit worrying. These sort of tests have been around for over a month now but constantly rejected as they are not accurate. It's very dangerous to use tests that are not accurate and/ or the supplier won't declare the accuracy | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? Well, I don't know if they had been assessed by independent third-party and what the result was. But, afaik, all those companies claim sensivity and specificity between 97% and 100%. If they don't say the accuracy its a bit worrying. These sort of tests have been around for over a month now but constantly rejected as they are not accurate. It's very dangerous to use tests that are not accurate and/ or the supplier won't declare the accuracy " I already wrote the "accuracy" and it's pretty good. These tests, including the Edinburgh one, are all roughly equivalent relatively to sensivity and specificity (or accuracy) once you look at the confidence intervals (I didn't find these value for all of them but it's very unlikely that any of this companies did enough tests to have a small interval). These are not "finger prick" tests. | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? Well, I don't know if they had been assessed by independent third-party and what the result was. But, afaik, all those companies claim sensivity and specificity between 97% and 100%. If they don't say the accuracy its a bit worrying. These sort of tests have been around for over a month now but constantly rejected as they are not accurate. It's very dangerous to use tests that are not accurate and/ or the supplier won't declare the accuracy I already wrote the "accuracy" and it's pretty good. These tests, including the Edinburgh one, are all roughly equivalent relatively to sensivity and specificity (or accuracy) once you look at the confidence intervals (I didn't find these value for all of them but it's very unlikely that any of this companies did enough tests to have a small interval). These are not "finger prick" tests." My apologies I thought you said you did not know if they had been tested by a third party or the results Must be a blonde moment | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? Well, I don't know if they had been assessed by independent third-party and what the result was. But, afaik, all those companies claim sensivity and specificity between 97% and 100%. If they don't say the accuracy its a bit worrying. These sort of tests have been around for over a month now but constantly rejected as they are not accurate. It's very dangerous to use tests that are not accurate and/ or the supplier won't declare the accuracy I already wrote the "accuracy" and it's pretty good. These tests, including the Edinburgh one, are all roughly equivalent relatively to sensivity and specificity (or accuracy) once you look at the confidence intervals (I didn't find these value for all of them but it's very unlikely that any of this companies did enough tests to have a small interval). These are not "finger prick" tests. My apologies I thought you said you did not know if they had been tested by a third party or the results Must be a blonde moment" It is not like the 99.8% claimed by Edinburgh researchers was assessed by anyone else. Anyway all these tests aren't the magic fingerprick tests that can't possibly work. These are lab tests developed by the same companies that make the PCR tests that everyone already uses and a lot of other stuff. The fact that I don't know the results of any independent test doesn't prove much except the fact that I don't know everything. But I wouldn't imagine Germany or Italy using unreliable tests. | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. What is the accuracy of the tests they are using? Well, I don't know if they had been assessed by independent third-party and what the result was. But, afaik, all those companies claim sensivity and specificity between 97% and 100%. If they don't say the accuracy its a bit worrying. These sort of tests have been around for over a month now but constantly rejected as they are not accurate. It's very dangerous to use tests that are not accurate and/ or the supplier won't declare the accuracy I already wrote the "accuracy" and it's pretty good. These tests, including the Edinburgh one, are all roughly equivalent relatively to sensivity and specificity (or accuracy) once you look at the confidence intervals (I didn't find these value for all of them but it's very unlikely that any of this companies did enough tests to have a small interval). These are not "finger prick" tests. My apologies I thought you said you did not know if they had been tested by a third party or the results Must be a blonde moment It is not like the 99.8% claimed by Edinburgh researchers was assessed by anyone else. Anyway all these tests aren't the magic fingerprick tests that can't possibly work. These are lab tests developed by the same companies that make the PCR tests that everyone already uses and a lot of other stuff. The fact that I don't know the results of any independent test doesn't prove much except the fact that I don't know everything. But I wouldn't imagine Germany or Italy using unreliable tests." As I said I apologise for missing your I info I have no idea about the edingborough tests or claims as it was not me that mentioned it or started the thread. Are you saying they have not been independently tested to come up with the figure? I agree I doubt Germany or Italy would use an unreliable test. Only the UK would make such a mistake | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. Good old Scotland again
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" As I said I apologise for missing your I info I have no idea about the edingborough tests or claims as it was not me that mentioned it or started the thread. Are you saying they have not been independently tested to come up with the figure? I agree I doubt Germany or Italy would use an unreliable test. Only the UK would make such a mistake" Sorry I thought you were sarcastic hahaha. Anyway the figures that they usually give are from tests done by the company/researchers themselves. Nothing wrong about this. They may or may not require other tests before approval, no idea. | |||
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" As I said I apologise for missing your I info I have no idea about the edingborough tests or claims as it was not me that mentioned it or started the thread. Are you saying they have not been independently tested to come up with the figure? I agree I doubt Germany or Italy would use an unreliable test. Only the UK would make such a mistake Sorry I thought you were sarcastic hahaha. Anyway the figures that they usually give are from tests done by the company/researchers themselves. Nothing wrong about this. They may or may not require other tests before approval, no idea." No only about the UK being the only place to make mistakes but I thank you for the info | |||
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"We still don't know if or how long you're immune for after you've had it so the antibody tests won't actually achieve much until more is known about the immunity to the virus " No one has been proved as having COVID-19 twice! This test is a game changer! | |||
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"Will the antibody test be available to everybody, and what about if some people can be reinfected, will that still make the antibody test worth while? That's something they need to find out. We cant wait for this test because we have both had covid." Tests are still ongoing to see if a person who has had covid-19 can catch it again. They don't think it is possible but no one knows yet | |||
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"We still don't know if or how long you're immune for after you've had it so the antibody tests won't actually achieve much until more is known about the immunity to the virus No one has been proved as having COVID-19 twice! This test is a game changer!" They don't know if or how long the immunity will last. | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news." Our government have said there are many tests out there but they are not reliable enough. A bad test is worse than no test at all. Their words. | |||
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"why shouldnt anyine who voted brexit use it??? didnt think the swiss were in the eu"
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"We still don't know if or how long you're immune for after you've had it so the antibody tests won't actually achieve much until more is known about the immunity to the virus No one has been proved as having COVID-19 twice! This test is a game changer!" They have found cases. But then with any virus there are always some that get it more than once. | |||
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"Why do some people link Covid-19 with Brexit. It makes no sense "Totally agree, some people really need to get a life and move on.. | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" Switzerland are not in the EU and nobody wants to break links. Its about having control not breaking links - some people???? | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. Our government have said there are many tests out there but they are not reliable enough. A bad test is worse than no test at all. Their words. " Well, this is not true. There are many bad tests around. But in the last month we got many new and working tests. | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Why, when switzerland isnt in the eu either | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. Our government have said there are many tests out there but they are not reliable enough. A bad test is worse than no test at all. Their words. Well, this is not true. There are many bad tests around. But in the last month we got many new and working tests." It is true. That is what they said | |||
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"Antibody tests were already developed and are already being widely used across Europe. UK at its best as usual. Really? So if you are correct, shouldn't we be asking ourselves why our EU friends are not offering it to us. You seem to be sat on your arse blaming our own government rather than others? What? I know for sure that antibodies tests were developed, approved for use and have been used in the rest of the world since April. Some companies involved are Abbott (USA), DiaSorin (Italy), Roche (Switzerland). But there are many others. This tests are not used exclusively in the countries where they have been developed. Why UK is not using them is a mystery. But I guess that it's easier to say that other countries are evil and don't want to help us. Or maybe they still have the wrong email address? All I can find on this is that Roche have had their antibody test approved by the FDA in America. That doesn't mean we won't get it. You can find news about Germany and Italy conducting antibodies tests since 20th of April. There are probably other countries doing similar things that don't show up in English news. Our government have said there are many tests out there but they are not reliable enough. A bad test is worse than no test at all. Their words. Well, this is not true. There are many bad tests around. But in the last month we got many new and working tests." As I said, it doesn't mean we won't get it. | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Definitely a case of political bias coming before knowledge. Switzerland are not in the EU. | |||
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"Britain at its best yet again. British scientists have made an 99.8% guaranteed Antibody test. At last a test that is useful, let the testing begin! Good news, I couldn’t care less who invents the vaccine though "The only sane person in the room. Thank you. | |||
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"You can infecect other people if you have the virus, even if you don't show symptoms. That is why you should really wear gloves in supermarkets and masks in crowded places. The antigen and antibody test are designed to tell you if you have ever had it without showing symptoms. Sweden is a very successful model for a country using controlled infection to protect its citizens." No please!!!! Don't wear gloves. All you do is spread it everywhere! Everything you touch it spreads to. Your hands have pores etc. Just wash your hands. For the gloves to work, you need to change them every time you touch one thing or walk past one person. | |||
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"We still don't know if or how long you're immune for after you've had it so the antibody tests won't actually achieve much until more is known about the immunity to the virus No one has been proved as having COVID-19 twice! This test is a game changer! They have found cases. But then with any virus there are always some that get it more than once. " Those cases have been proven to be false positives. The test is detecting the dead coronavirus lingering in the body. | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. What on earth has Brexit got to do with it ??" | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. What on earth has Brexit got to do with it ?? "Well said, sounds like a school play ground. We finally have a test that looks very positive in the fight against this virus. Surly that’s all that should matter. | |||
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"Whats the point of knowing some one has had it there is no immunity and even if you do get immunity you can still pass it on remember asymptomatic transmission " As far as I know we always get immunity to a virus ONCE our immune system has beaten it(we dont beat aids so dont become immune) even with chicken pox we carry the virus and can develop shingles but not chicken pox again and we dont spread either to other people once our system has stopped it, you only pass covid on when you have it even if asymptomatic once your immune system has cleared it transmission stops. Covid is likely to mutate as flu and colds do lots of reports that it has several times BUT normally the illness will be less . | |||
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"So please let's take the national pride and Brexit put of this and deal with the implications???? So logically a test is given Person A tests positive for antibodies Let's assume for a moment re infection is either not possible or statistically very unlikely So person A Allowed to roam the world Now if the statistics are to be belived most likely less than 2 million Britons have had this Thus person B They test negative and must adhere to lockdown rules so in order that "they wont catch it " Thus person B is forced to be second class citizens The fab lynch mob threatening bodily harm if they leave the home because they WILL catch it WILL spread it and WILL KILL others Person B has two choices Lose their liberties until the vaccine is not developed Or go onto the black market and aim for infection The whole thing is a moral nightmare I think however I maybe suggesting that IF the antibodies test is reliable AND reinfection is statistically low to non THEN A controlled program of deliberate infection could be required Whilst ensuring the absolute most potentially vulnerable are exceptionally well shielded from any exposure WHY OH WHY OH FUCKING WHY is there petty nonsense regarding which country is best and Brexit is beyond me For fucks sake this needs joined up international thinking " brexit got brught into it by someone whos obviously a remainer whio thinks brexit voters shouldnt get the test as its developed in switzerland.compleatly missibg the point the swiss aint in the e.u. and people say only leavers spout bollox lol | |||
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"Just heard from our friend in guys hospital who has had the virus confirmed that all staff are now getting the antibody test. Will be very interesting to see the infection rate." The infection rate in a hospital may be a bit skewed A recent German sample showed a 15 % infection rate, a fatality rate of 0.37 %. It also showed 1 in 5 of those infected showed no noticeable disease symptoms | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. " To be fair this is exactly what stood out to me in the OP. It was worded less as a celebration of there being a test available and more as a 'isn't Britain great' post. As has been pointed out, developing a test neither makes Britain great nor unique. You can guarantee that it isn't some genetic aptitude unique to British people that led to this work - yet it appears the OP is suggesting this is the case. Scientists all around the world share their findings and knowledge. Very little is done in science now that doesn't rely on a great deal of collaborative work around the globe. Science is in fact one of the least political areas of human endeavor (just take a look at the number of countries involved in the LHC for example), mostly because scientists are intelligent enough to not get fooled by the idiocy that is nationalism and jingoism. | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. " People were not _oaning about your Brexit jibe. They were laughing that you were sure that Switzerland was in the EU that's all lol | |||
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"Just heard from our friend in guys hospital who has had the virus confirmed that all staff are now getting the antibody test. Will be very interesting to see the infection rate. The infection rate in a hospital may be a bit skewed A recent German sample showed a 15 % infection rate, a fatality rate of 0.37 %. It also showed 1 in 5 of those infected showed no noticeable disease symptoms" I'm sure it will be higher, the interesting bit will be how many had no symptoms, | |||
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"Just heard from our friend in guys hospital who has had the virus confirmed that all staff are now getting the antibody test. Will be very interesting to see the infection rate. The infection rate in a hospital may be a bit skewed A recent German sample showed a 15 % infection rate, a fatality rate of 0.37 %. It also showed 1 in 5 of those infected showed no noticeable disease symptoms I'm sure it will be higher, the interesting bit will be how many had no symptoms," Yes your right it will be interesting to see who has had it without them even knowing. | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. To be fair this is exactly what stood out to me in the OP. It was worded less as a celebration of there being a test available and more as a 'isn't Britain great' post. As has been pointed out, developing a test neither makes Britain great nor unique. You can guarantee that it isn't some genetic aptitude unique to British people that led to this work - yet it appears the OP is suggesting this is the case. Scientists all around the world share their findings and knowledge. Very little is done in science now that doesn't rely on a great deal of collaborative work around the globe. Science is in fact one of the least political areas of human endeavor (just take a look at the number of countries involved in the LHC for example), mostly because scientists are intelligent enough to not get fooled by the idiocy that is nationalism and jingoism." The other thing that should be pointed out is the only source for the claims made about the test is the company selling the test. The article in the standard reads like a sales brochure. | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. " Much of science these days is an international effort and most know this. However I can imagine if this was done in say Germany for instance many people would be saying 'there you go that's why we should not have left the Eu' For once someone starts a good news story with the UK involved . Oh and you did not help yourself mentioning the Swiss and the European - sorry but as many have said its incorrect | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. " Or people wanted abit of positivity for the UK after so much bitching about it for months. | |||
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"why shouldnt anyine who voted brexit use it??? didnt think the swiss were in the eu" smart reply to a stupid comment | |||
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"We have just got over 12% of the world's Covid19 deaths yet we don't have 1% of the population. " As has been said multiple times covid death and infection rates are not just a factor of population. Other factors include Age demographics Vulnerablity demographics Population density So a country that does not support its elderly, allows vulnerable citizens to die before their time and has a spread out population will do very well. I voted to remain if it makes any difference but I see no reason to keep bringing everyone's issues back to a vote held 4 years ago. You are allowed to have national pride without being a nazi. | |||
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"We have just got over 12% of the world's Covid19 deaths yet we don't have 1% of the population. " Don't tell me it must be because we mislaid Switzerland | |||
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"We have just got over 12% of the world's Covid19 deaths yet we don't have 1% of the population. " Every country is counting differently and you can not compare apples with pears! Frankly I wouldn't believe anything that the Korea's, China or many others are saying! | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. Or people wanted abit of positivity for the UK after so much bitching about it for months." Which is more important, truth or positivity? In my opionion the way the OP presented the story was inaccurate. They misrepresented what was a pretty thin piece of journalism as a opportunity for some flag waving. | |||
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"We have just got over 12% of the world's Covid19 deaths yet we don't have 1% of the population. Every country is counting differently and you can not compare apples with pears! Frankly I wouldn't believe anything that the Korea's, China or many others are saying! " Ahh so that's korea added to the list of big fat liars. | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. Or people wanted abit of positivity for the UK after so much bitching about it for months. Which is more important, truth or positivity? In my opionion the way the OP presented the story was inaccurate. They misrepresented what was a pretty thin piece of journalism as a opportunity for some flag waving. " As someone mentioned above it has most likely been an international effort with scientists working together...that's the positivity we should be taking from this and hopefully going forward. Not some little englander tub thumping. | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it has most likely been an international effort with scientists working together...that's the positivity we should be taking from this and hopefully going forward. Not some little englander tub thumping." You can spot a leftie a mile away; they're the one's who despise their own country and all it stands for. | |||
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"I mentioned Brexit because the original post was "Britain at its best again", not recognising the international effort. Or people wanted abit of positivity for the UK after so much bitching about it for months. Which is more important, truth or positivity? In my opionion the way the OP presented the story was inaccurate. They misrepresented what was a pretty thin piece of journalism as a opportunity for some flag waving. " Maybe it was abit of flag waving but why shouldn't people try to celebrate our achievements? I'm fairly sure other countries would do the same. Yes, it's a global achievement too and all countries deserve recognition but I understand what the OP was trying to do. Honestly? I'd love to read something positive from the doomsayers, the ones that slag the government off all the time but never actually think that it's that government paying their wages right now, without which half of them would be unemployed. | |||
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"Maybe it was abit of flag waving but why shouldn't people try to celebrate our achievements? I'm fairly sure other countries would do the same. Yes, it's a global achievement too and all countries deserve recognition but I understand what the OP was trying to do. Honestly? I'd love to read something positive from the doomsayers, the ones that slag the government off all the time but never actually think that it's that government paying their wages right now, without which half of them would be unemployed." Well said! | |||
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"We have just got over 12% of the world's Covid19 deaths yet we don't have 1% of the population. Every country is counting differently and you can not compare apples with pears! Frankly I wouldn't believe anything that the Korea's, China or many others are saying! " | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK The companies HO is in Switzerland but it was scientists in Edinburgh working for the company that invented the antibody test. Good old Scotland again " | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. " Switzerland was never in the EU! | |||
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"So anyone who voted Brexit shouldn't use it. What on earth has Brexit got to do with it ??" Nothing at all. | |||
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"Britain at its best yet again. British scientists have made an 99.8% guaranteed Antibody test. At last a test that is useful, let the testing begin! " Yet again? Did I miss the time Britain was at its best? Shower of shit from beginning to end! | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it has most likely been an international effort with scientists working together...that's the positivity we should be taking from this and hopefully going forward. Not some little englander tub thumping. You can spot a leftie a mile away; they're the one's who despise their own country and all it stands for." Hahah is Bojo is the best we have then absolutely man needs sacking. I celebrate those that invest in our country not those who treat us like a herd ... simple. Health over wealth any day | |||
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"Just heard from our friend in guys hospital who has had the virus confirmed that all staff are now getting the antibody test. Will be very interesting to see the infection rate." Just noticed this was 5 weeks ago did this happen? What was the result? How do they know how long immunity/ antibody level lasts - continuous testing? | |||
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"It was invented by Switzerland not UK" | |||
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"Switzerland is in Europe and Brexit voters wanted us to break our links with Europe because they thought we could do better on our own" Switzerland in geographically in Europe but not in the EU.... so nothing to do with Brexit | |||
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"Anybody know how you can get this test done? I knoe about the virus test very well but not the ante body one " Don't think they are available yet | |||
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