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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets! "
The mind boggles. To suggest a pathogen is racist concludes it's a sentient being rather than just having an innate sense to survive by replication.
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I’m guessing it’s more whether things can be done or being done enough to stop a disproportionate amount of infected people from minority backgrounds from dying?
And not because the virus is inherently racist.
It’s a valid question deserved of an answer. |
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"Oh dear.
This is a question of whether systematic racism and healthcare services by postcode are factors.
Doctors have spoken about this on the BBC in the last couple of weeks. "
Get out of here with your rational answers.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Throughout our County it would appear from a visual perspective that many of them are Party Party Party and I wonder perhaps if that is a contributory factor? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Throughout our County it would appear from a visual perspective that many of them are Party Party Party and I wonder perhaps if that is a contributory factor?"
I'm being a bit dense here but huh? Are you responding to a post (please reply and quote if so)? |
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"Throughout our County it would appear from a visual perspective that many of them are Party Party Party and I wonder perhaps if that is a contributory factor?"
NHS and care staff in general or BAME?
Actually it's a bit if a staggering thing to wonder..
It's even as staggering as making a gross assumption that the journalist was asking is the virus racist..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Throughout our County it would appear from a visual perspective that many of them are Party Party Party and I wonder perhaps if that is a contributory factor?
I'm being a bit dense here but huh? Are you responding to a post (please reply and quote if so)? "
We started the original post and we were providing our reason for why perhaps so many BAME people were being affected.
Feel free to discuss.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" NHS and care staff in general or BAME?
Actually it's a bit if a staggering thing to wonder..
It's even as staggering as making a gross assumption that the journalist was asking is the virus racist..
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That is a difficult one to answer as I have only observed them in social settings and have no idea what they do for a living?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets! "
Whoever asked that question is a moron. Fact. |
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" NHS and care staff in general or BAME?
Actually it's a bit if a staggering thing to wonder..
It's even as staggering as making a gross assumption that the journalist was asking is the virus racist..
That is a difficult one to answer as I have only observed them in social settings and have no idea what they do for a living?
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Who are you referring to? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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This is how the BBC reported the question:
17:42
BAME Covid-19 deaths probe should include social factors - Powis
Next up, Ahmed Versi from Muslim News asks about the inquiry into whether people from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds are at greater risk of becoming seriously ill with Covid-19.
He says the talk might be about medical conditions, but asks are structural issues like racism at play?
In response, Michael Gove says it's known that inequality can "contribute" to public health outcomes.
"It may be that we need to take a step back and look more broadly at some of the inequalities that exist within our society," he says, but adds he doesn't want to "prejudge" the question.
Stephen Powis says: "It's really important that Public Health England and colleagues who are working on this go in with an open mind and look at all the possible causes.
"Biological causes may be one part but it's important that it's looked at in the round." |
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"This is how the BBC reported the question:
17:42
BAME Covid-19 deaths probe should include social factors - Powis
Next up, Ahmed Versi from Muslim News asks about the inquiry into whether people from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds are at greater risk of becoming seriously ill with Covid-19.
He says the talk might be about medical conditions, but asks are structural issues like racism at play?
In response, Michael Gove says it's known that inequality can "contribute" to public health outcomes.
"It may be that we need to take a step back and look more broadly at some of the inequalities that exist within our society," he says, but adds he doesn't want to "prejudge" the question.
Stephen Powis says: "It's really important that Public Health England and colleagues who are working on this go in with an open mind and look at all the possible causes.
"Biological causes may be one part but it's important that it's looked at in the round.""
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets!
The mind boggles. To suggest a pathogen is racist concludes it's a sentient being rather than just having an innate sense to survive by replication.
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Everything is racist now. An actor on question time saying Britain is one of the least racist countries in Europe is racist |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-15/social-economic-factors-play-part-in-high-proportion-of-covid-19-ethnic-minority-patients-gp-says/
I think this is a more plausible explanation than the virus is racist . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is how the BBC reported the question:
17:42
BAME Covid-19 deaths probe should include social factors - Powis
Next up, Ahmed Versi from Muslim News asks about the inquiry into whether people from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds are at greater risk of becoming seriously ill with Covid-19.
He says the talk might be about medical conditions, but asks are structural issues like racism at play?
In response, Michael Gove says it's known that inequality can "contribute" to public health outcomes.
"It may be that we need to take a step back and look more broadly at some of the inequalities that exist within our society," he says, but adds he doesn't want to "prejudge" the question.
Stephen Powis says: "It's really important that Public Health England and colleagues who are working on this go in with an open mind and look at all the possible causes.
"Biological causes may be one part but it's important that it's looked at in the round.""
I knew the OP was probably short on facts (a bit like politics ) but quite like the cartoon image in my head of a virus with a pair of glasses on going "woohoo I'm going for the one with a better skin pigmentation" - yeah I'm weird  .
Anyhoo, there may be social structures at play (re societal deprivation, education, blah blah) but then you come across the BAME higher proportion of health care professionals dying than percentage in society, and these people are educated and probably not living as the poorest in our society.
Until the research is done, we have to wait. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system "
Really? I have a ginger relative who has to take vit d supplements cos he cannot produce it via the sun.
I'll be looking at your supposition and see the actual medical evidence around it. |
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"This is how the BBC reported the question:
17:42
BAME Covid-19 deaths probe should include social factors - Powis
Next up, Ahmed Versi from Muslim News asks about the inquiry into whether people from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds are at greater risk of becoming seriously ill with Covid-19.
He says the talk might be about medical conditions, but asks are structural issues like racism at play?
In response, Michael Gove says it's known that inequality can "contribute" to public health outcomes.
"It may be that we need to take a step back and look more broadly at some of the inequalities that exist within our society," he says, but adds he doesn't want to "prejudge" the question.
Stephen Powis says: "It's really important that Public Health England and colleagues who are working on this go in with an open mind and look at all the possible causes.
"Biological causes may be one part but it's important that it's looked at in the round."
Context is everything "
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By *oirinMarkusCouple
over a year ago
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"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system
Really? I have a ginger relative who has to take vit d supplements cos he cannot produce it via the sun.
I'll be looking at your supposition and see the actual medical evidence around it. "
England provides very little opportunity for vitamin D production, because of the terrible weather. So a lot of people who are pale or dark skinned can find it easier to be vitamin D deficient.  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system
Really? I have a ginger relative who has to take vit d supplements cos he cannot produce it via the sun.
I'll be looking at your supposition and see the actual medical evidence around it. "
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/how-to-get-vitamin-d-from-sunlight/ |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system
Really? I have a ginger relative who has to take vit d supplements cos he cannot produce it via the sun.
I'll be looking at your supposition and see the actual medical evidence around it. "
Vitamin D is absolutely essential for a healthy immune system. This is a scientific fact. People with darker skin tone don't absorb as much sunlight hence synthesize less of it. Most people in the UK are vitamin D deficient regardless of skin tone because you don't have as much sunlight or sunny days as you would have in southern european countries. Perhaps that's why he needs supplementation? |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system
Really? I have a ginger relative who has to take vit d supplements cos he cannot produce it via the sun.
I'll be looking at your supposition and see the actual medical evidence around it.
England provides very little opportunity for vitamin D production, because of the terrible weather. So a lot of people who are pale or dark skinned can find it easier to be vitamin D deficient. "
Its not that terrible. We get enough in the summer to tide us over to the following year
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system "
Just a quick look into it: darker skins produce less vit d to whiter skins under same exposure to uv light. Which makes sense cos the melanin is a protective factor against the sun in sunnier climates. So if this is a factor, you'd expect darker skins to fair better in sunnier climates re the virus than the same ethnicities in this country.
As for gingers, it might be due to vit d synthesis or simply less sun exposure due to higher probability to burn in the sun. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets!
The mind boggles. To suggest a pathogen is racist concludes it's a sentient being rather than just having an innate sense to survive by replication.
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It is a fact that some health issues are more common in coloured races while others are more common in caucasion races,so might be true |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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Long after the social distancing guidelines were introduced there were still alot of large prayer groups congregating, particularly in the Muslim community (I only know this because alot of my neighbours are Muslim and I saw them going in groups to prayer). Possibly this might have some impact on the figures? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets!
The mind boggles. To suggest a pathogen is racist concludes it's a sentient being rather than just having an innate sense to survive by replication.
It is a fact that some health issues are more common in coloured races while others are more common in caucasion races,so might be true"
Yes and in healthcare we have a positive bias in services due to this fact. |
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By *oirinMarkusCouple
over a year ago
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"Apparently according to a Black media presenter he put the Question to Gove that more BAME (Black, Asian, Minority & Ethnic) people are being affected by COVID-19 and was it due to Racism?
Whilst that question might be a valid one, perhaps they should be looking at other reasons rather than Racism.
Although a complicated Virus, I do not think it discriminates who it targets!
The mind boggles. To suggest a pathogen is racist concludes it's a sentient being rather than just having an innate sense to survive by replication.
It is a fact that some health issues are more common in coloured races while others are more common in caucasion races,so might be true"
Yes, like brittle bones is more common in caucasoid people. But very different to Covid-19! There are many factors at play, not a racist virus!
And BTW we don't say "coloured" anymore, although South African apartheid tried to give it a positive slant x |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system
Just a quick look into it: darker skins produce less vit d to whiter skins under same exposure to uv light. Which makes sense cos the melanin is a protective factor against the sun in sunnier climates. So if this is a factor, you'd expect darker skins to fair better in sunnier climates re the virus than the same ethnicities in this country.
As for gingers, it might be due to vit d synthesis or simply less sun exposure due to higher probability to burn in the sun. "
Ginger people actually produce more vitamin d as their bodies don't absorb it as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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BAME have a higher prevalence of several complicating factors. Diabetes rate is significantly higher as are heart conditions. Obesity is higher in Afro-Caribbean but not so much in black African communities and there is a similar difference in their covid mortality rates.
Add this to the fact that a higher proportion of BAME population are living in poorer, more crowded housing areas, working in "frontline" jobs etc and you have a whole cocktail of reasons....
Can't say if partying or a racist virus has much effect tho... |
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By *hoco DMan
over a year ago
Clapham |
"I still cant believe nobody has mentioned that the darker your skin colour the less vitamin D your body produces
Vitamin D being very important for a healthy immune system
Really? I have a ginger relative who has to take vit d supplements cos he cannot produce it via the sun.
I'll be looking at your supposition and see the actual medical evidence around it. "
There is medical evidence out for this, also so have many friends, and all my immediate family take supplement me included for last 15yrs, it's quite uncommon for people lighter skin to be deficient in the UK unless there's an underlying condition that stops the production or the person spends a lot of time in doors, as was the case with a lighter skined mate of mine whom was made redundant and has not worked since, 2yrs after redundancy, he found out about the deficientcy, he was baffled to why this was, I explained to him that he's not had much exposure to sun, so this could be the reason why.its to do with the your darker skin the more time you need sun exposed to the sun for vitamin D to be produced. its very common in countrys with low levels of sun that darker people tend to be deficient , in some parts of the world with really low levels of sun because of really short days, lighter skined people are also deficient |
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I don't know the question but has racism been behind why BAME people are affected worse by this than others? I'd suggest yes is a reasonable answer but to look more closely at it.
We know that it's got a much worse outcome for those in poverty than affluence and that BAME experience poverty disproportionately too. |
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By *oirinMarkusCouple
over a year ago
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"BAME have a higher prevalence of several complicating factors. Diabetes rate is significantly higher as are heart conditions. Obesity is higher in Afro-Caribbean but not so much in black African communities and there is a similar difference in their covid mortality rates.
Add this to the fact that a higher proportion of BAME population are living in poorer, more crowded housing areas, working in "frontline" jobs etc and you have a whole cocktail of reasons....
Can't say if partying or a racist virus has much effect tho..."
Did you mean Caribbean when you said Afro-Caribbean?
The numbers mean that disproportionately, black and Asian people are more likely to die from the virus atm. That means that the white people going onto the hospital are more likely to survive. The areas you live in often determines the hospital. And also structural racism has been mentioned but this is a difficult topic to bring up on the news. |
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"How can racism in health care etc be raised when I though 44% of health care staff were from a BAME heritage?"
It's the effect of inequality per se, socio economics with certain groups and as such a higher level of impact when such things run rife..
The question was not about health care and BAME employees, more so in general within society..
This government dismissed a report by the Un into poverty so I doubt they will do anything but pay lip service to any inquiry in relation to the effect upon any group and the virus, same as the one promised into islamophobia in the tory party.. |
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