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By *aulp4als OP Man over a year ago

Warrington

We should all download the Covid 19 App to assist the NHS. Go to your App Store now

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

Which app. As didnt think the tracing app was going to be available till the end of the month

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By *aulp4als OP Man over a year ago

Warrington

It can be downloaded now the country needs 60% to use it

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"It can be downloaded now the country needs 60% to use it "
I've got the nhs app but it isnt the tracing one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can this be moved to the virus forum

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By *aulp4als OP Man over a year ago

Warrington

I wanted to put it here so more people would see it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I tried it but it's hard to get on to the next level and know where near as good as candy crush

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Which app?

We have been using the one from King's college for weeks now..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

NHS track/trace app goes on trial in IOW this week. IF successful it will role out UK wide.

Yes...need minimum 50-60% to be properly valid/useful so go for it once you can....

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"Which app?

We have been using the one from King's college for weeks now.. "
the zoe one??

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By *heLaserGuyMan over a year ago

Coventry

"Which app?

We have been using the one from King's college for weeks now.. the zoe one?? "

I'm not sure which one the op is on about, I've been on Zoe for weeks now

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Which app?

We have been using the one from King's college for weeks now.. the zoe one?? "

Yes

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By *ighland gentlemanMan over a year ago

Ardgay

Listening to a professor on Radio Scotland yesterday, not overly hopeful about it.

Requires download app, have phone on at all times, bluetooth switched on.

Over 60% of the population must do this for it to be effective.

However, it's reckoned that only 40% of over 65s have a suitable phone.

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By *mberWoman over a year ago

Preston

What does it do?

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By *ustKeepSwinging999Couple over a year ago

Basingstoke

The Zoe one isn't the tracing one, that's not been released yet

Given less than 3m people use the Zoe one, it'll be interesting to see the uptake of a tracing one

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

From a doctor on Twitter:

"So correct me if I’m wrong.

I am expected to voluntarily download an app designed to trace my movements and contacts.

Who led a campaign villified for the most scandalous misuse of personal data ever known?

...

No."

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

I am confused as to what app the op means as the tracing app hasnt been released yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data."

What data does it collect?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data."

Good to know

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By *oul BrothaMan over a year ago

A Galaxy far far away

Both Apple and Google proposed designing an app that is compliant with current GDPR requirements, the British government decided to create it's own app and there are concerns about the data it collects, how it will be used and how long it'll be stored.

Based on this, and the fact that this government is an absolute shambles I will not be downloading this and suggest everyone acts with reasonable caution

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data."

I agree...whilst wanting to help with this,I also would like to know how much privacy we are giving away

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/vote-leave-ai-firm-wins-seven-government-contracts-in-18-months

Contract for this was awarded without tender and at least one minister is a shareholder. Nothing to see here...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect? "

Where you go, when you go, how long you spend there, who you spend time with, who else is close to you at that time, and almost certainly a number of other things.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

I agree...whilst wanting to help with this,I also would like to know how much privacy we are giving away

And also who we are giving it away to.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect?

Where you go, when you go, how long you spend there, who you spend time with, who else is close to you at that time, and almost certainly a number of other things."

Well it does need to collect locations and other users you come into contact with for it to work, or am i not understanding this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect?

Where you go, when you go, how long you spend there, who you spend time with, who else is close to you at that time, and almost certainly a number of other things.

Well it does need to collect locations and other users you come into contact with for it to work, or am i not understanding this?

Yes it does but unfortunately I dont have my location turned on...and I never use bluetooth as it drains the battery..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

I will download and use the app when it is launched. As the data is anonymised I don’t have a problem with the technology

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect?

Where you go, when you go, how long you spend there, who you spend time with, who else is close to you at that time, and almost certainly a number of other things.

Well it does need to collect locations and other users you come into contact with for it to work, or am i not understanding this?

It does, the issue being the people who are collecting it, and what they do with it, rather than the data collected.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect?

Where you go, when you go, how long you spend there, who you spend time with, who else is close to you at that time, and almost certainly a number of other things.

Well it does need to collect locations and other users you come into contact with for it to work, or am i not understanding this?

It does, the issue being the people who are collecting it, and what they do with it, rather than the data collected."

But the data is not very useful. When you consider how much data banks share across numerous agencies I feel the app data is almost insignificant, just my thoughts though

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Both Apple and Google proposed designing an app that is compliant with current GDPR requirements, the British government decided to create it's own app and there are concerns about the data it collects, how it will be used and how long it'll be stored.

Based on this, and the fact that this government is an absolute shambles I will not be downloading this and suggest everyone acts with reasonable caution"

That is the bit that concerns me, there was a decentralised tracing option available but they chose the centralised option.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

No thanks, I won't be downloading any app.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not going to work so not going to bother loading it.

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By *oftDevilMan over a year ago

Reading

"We should all download the Covid 19 App to assist the NHS. Go to your App Store now "

I’m sorry but the country has refused to use the Apple/Google framework that would have given them virtually 100% smartphones coverage instantly.

The company dealing with the analysis is linked to Cummings. One of the probably reason of not using Google/Apple like most other countries probably reside in privacy clauses.

After Cambridge Analytica, Aggregate IQ.

No way I’m downloading an app designed by Cummings friends.

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By *oftDevilMan over a year ago

Reading

"From a doctor on Twitter:

"So correct me if I’m wrong.

I am expected to voluntarily download an app designed to trace my movements and contacts.

Who led a campaign villified for the most scandalous misuse of personal data ever known?

...

No.""

Exactly, especially as Google/Apple agreed on providing the data for all the users, without the need for an app, the only catch signup privacy agreement.... wondering why Cummings is (virtually) the only country to refuse it (others have emitted remarks that privacy guarantees might not be strong enough, not the other way round).

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

"We should all download the Covid 19 App to assist the NHS. Go to your App Store now "

We all should NOT download the app I've got an idea why don't we all wear some kind of pajama and maybe we could have a colourful star on it this way we could all see who is infected......

NAME AND PAPERS !!!!

Ps anyone who says if you've got nothing to hide etc you are the government's perfect malleable person.

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By *oftDevilMan over a year ago

Reading

"I will download and use the app when it is launched. As the data is anonymised I don’t have a problem with the technology

The data, by design can not be anonymised, the whole point of tracing you is to be able to contact everyone you have been close to for the last two weeks.

It records at very least all the Wifi and Bluetooth beacon, locations, possibly merge them with IMEI or SIM in vicinity from mobile operators.

While I have (relative) trust in Apple/Google with those data, I clearly have absolutely no confidence in Cummings friends, they would be able to profile my whole social life/connection, derive all sort of intelligence from that.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"I will download and use the app when it is launched. As the data is anonymised I don’t have a problem with the technology

The data, by design can not be anonymised, the whole point of tracing you is to be able to contact everyone you have been close to for the last two weeks.

It records at very least all the Wifi and Bluetooth beacon, locations, possibly merge them with IMEI or SIM in vicinity from mobile operators.

Which data do you think will identify me enough for it to be useful?

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

Another thing about track and trace.

If you can be traced because you have been near someone, what if your phone records that you were near someone and that person gets murdered etc then you will be having a knock on your door for questioning. The app CAN NOT be safe your information will be shared etc. You have a civil liberties and they are being taken away. The virus is the perfect excuse to bring what all government's have been wanting to do for a long time.

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

"Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?"

The info of who you've been contact with over a rolling 2 weeks will be recorded and if you become ill you will upload that info to it if you become so ill you require a test then that info will automatically be uploaded and every other person you've been in contact with will be informed then they can choose to stay indoors or not etc. If the other person decides not too then they can infect others. The idea of the app is shite to start with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?"

Now that's the bit I dont get,as by the time they have identified someone is infected...its probably too late. Am I missing something on this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I will download and use the app when it is launched. As the data is anonymised I don’t have a problem with the technology

Same here

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

No thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect?

Where you go, when you go, how long you spend there, who you spend time with, who else is close to you at that time, and almost certainly a number of other things.

Well it does need to collect locations and other users you come into contact with for it to work, or am i not understanding this?

It does, the issue being the people who are collecting it, and what they do with it, rather than the data collected.

But the data is not very useful. When you consider how much data banks share across numerous agencies I feel the app data is almost insignificant, just my thoughts though "

You don't think data about who you spend time with and where you go isn't useful? Combine it with other data that is already out there about you such as your social media profiles etc. and then ask yourself if that isn't useful to the likes of Dominic Cummings?

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

Nope. This is a very slippery slope.

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

Don’t think so !!!!

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

But the data is not very useful. When you consider how much data banks share across numerous agencies I feel the app data is almost insignificant, just my thoughts though

Personally I think not, but we will have different opinions on this

The problem we have is people are questioning the governments approach (and rightly so, me too), track and trace has been shown to be successful in other countries but then refuse to support. We cannot have it both ways, again just my thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s a firm NO from me.

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

"From a doctor on Twitter:

"So correct me if I’m wrong.

I am expected to voluntarily download an app designed to trace my movements and contacts.

Who led a campaign villified for the most scandalous misuse of personal data ever known?

...

No.""

Yes you are wrong, the track and test app is an NHS app.

I uses random automatically generated numbers to identify your phone to other phones via a low power bluetooth signal.

No data leaves your phone except your generated number.

If you become infected your are asked to contact the NHS, who then send your random number to a data set that alerts people who have recieved your number that it is a possible source of infection and flashes a message for you to isolate and if you start to show symptoms contact the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would not be surprised if the app crashes. Just like everything else IT the government put their hands to.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

People saying they will not download and use the app ... is your decision formed from having knowledge of exactly how this app works or because of rumour and “I know what I know” type attitude ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?

What a public spirited fella you are. How would you like it if some you met on here had HIV or whatever and didn't even give you a chance by letting you know anonymously that you potentially could have it so that you could go and get the course of treatment you needed to live a normal life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?

That really isn’t the same at all, is it ?

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

But the data is not very useful. When you consider how much data banks share across numerous agencies I feel the app data is almost insignificant, just my thoughts though

Personally I think not, but we will have different opinions on this

Contact tracing, testing and quarantines/lockdowns when used is an co-ordinated and rapid matter has proved to be effective. My own objection is the method of contact tracing the govt selected. The issue of privacy versus public health is an issue that has come up in every western democracy. The question has to be asked why has the UK selected a centralised model of contact tracing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People saying they will not download and use the app ... is your decision formed from having knowledge of exactly how this app works or because of rumour and “I know what I know” type attitude ?"

It’s not the principle of the app, it’s the people who are developing it and have access to the data.

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

Its a choice I suppose. You can't force someone to do something if there is no requirement to.

The UK government have a track record for mass data breaches, so you can see why some folks reluctant to download the app.

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

"Even if you download the App does it only work if you tell it you have the virus ? Or could you keep your infection secret ?

Not even going to try and explain to you the many hundreds of reasons why we shouldn't download the app, I'm not going to thats my opinion, you download it if you want that's your opinion and choice. In the meantime I'll just keep injecting the bleach

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People saying they will not download and use the app ... is your decision formed from having knowledge of exactly how this app works or because of rumour and “I know what I know” type attitude ?

Its a choice I suppose. You can't force someone to do something if there is no requirement to.

The UK government have a track record for mass data breaches, so you can see why some folks reluctant to download the app.

One of the reason it use Blue tooth and not GPS is that it can pin point your whereabouts less precisely. Do you use the the Fab. See who is near App. If so your phone is switched on to GPS positioning and your position could be traced 24/7 so if you are near a scene of crime your phone will be providing data as to your whereabouts so even now we can be traced as a result of one of our little habits.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"People saying they will not download and use the app ... is your decision formed from having knowledge of exactly how this app works or because of rumour and “I know what I know” type attitude ?

It’s not the principle of the app, it’s the people who are developing it and have access to the data. "

Exactly that. The very same people who used voter data to manipulate a referendum and 2 general elections have now been given access to medical and location data, and fuck knows what else.

If this government had a shred of openness or transparency then there might be some trust. Unfortunately it's headed by a serial liar and manipulator, and staffed by a team he's built in his own image. They are all so used to lying that I wouldn't trust them to tell me the time, and they probably wouldn't tell me the time unless it benefited them in some way.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Tbh, am a bit undecided but will look into it further..

Given over 175 Professors/academics in the fields of cyber security, media and the law have written an open letter also highlighting their concerns and asking for further clarification it does raise issues..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People saying they will not download and use the app ... is your decision formed from having knowledge of exactly how this app works or because of rumour and “I know what I know” type attitude ?

Its a choice I suppose. You can't force someone to do something if there is no requirement to.

The UK government have a track record for mass data breaches, so you can see why some folks reluctant to download the app.

What is your point? If it can’t pin point your whereabouts precisely then what is the point of using it? I will look into the trials and the information it requires before I consider downloading it

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By *ewcastlelad9Man over a year ago

south shields

Because it will save lives and you never know might save someone in your family

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Because it will save lives and you never know might save someone in your family "

Does it? It is undergoing trials, nothing has been proven as yet , if the trials go well then I am sure it will be worth using

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Because it will save lives and you never know might save someone in your family

Does it? It is undergoing trials, nothing has been proven as yet , if the trials go well then I am sure it will be worth using "

Let's hope it does go well then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Because it will save lives and you never know might save someone in your family "

Kicking the arse off 30000 dead now,they have not done a good job so far. As people have said. We would be giving a lot of data out to a lot of shonky feckers. Not for me thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes I’ll download it , anything that helps me see my family and friends again! Who made it and how it stores data does not bother me if it helps us to return to some form of normal .

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Epidemiologists say about 80% of Smartphone owners will need to use the App for it to be effective. I don't think 80% of people on this thread have said they will download it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Epidemiologists say about 80% of Smartphone owners will need to use the App for it to be effective. I don't think 80% of people on this thread have said they will download it. "

I suppose all we can do is look after our own bit and hope that just a bit of common sense prevails. Can't force people too can they. Good luck NHS App, I think it is going to need it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I’ll download it , anything that helps me see my family and friends again! Who made it and how it stores data does not bother me if it helps us to return to some form of normal . "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've downloaded the app on 9 different phones already just to make sure I'm definitely protected

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Useful analysis of decentralised vs centralised models: https://www.zdnet.com/article/contact-tracing-apps-why-the-nhs-said-no-to-apple-and-googles-plan/

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I'll not be downloading the government's track and trace app as it's being developed by Faculty and I don't trust them with my data.

What data does it collect? "

Everything!!!!!!!

And it will be hacked

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

Ok so it’s an nhs app, but some one must be operating it for them, so some unknown company could get access to all your confidential Medical history, Plus everything you do 24/7. rem_mber Cambridge analytica a few years ago. How do they know 60% take up will give them what they need, what other government agencies are going to have access to your private information. I’m out, I’m not having any form of test and certainly not having any vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've downloaded the app on 9 different phones already just to make sure I'm definitely protected

Right

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

I don't know if it will work as the state IT projects have not got a great track record.

However I would use it as if it only saves 1 person then its worth it.

I see threads where people say we should learn from other countries (which of course we should) and constantly run the UK down. Also posters mentioning the horrible death toll like every person died because of the government - not that the virus had anything to do with it. Now some of those say they would not use the app even though other counries that they claim are so good use it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't know if it will work as the state IT projects have not got a great track record.

However I would use it as if it only saves 1 person then its worth it.

Are we using the same app as other countries? If so why the need to trial it ?

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I don't know if it will work as the state IT projects have not got a great track record.

However I would use it as if it only saves 1 person then its worth it.

Are we using the same app as other countries? If so why the need to trial it ? "

from what I understand different countries are using different apps but thay all have the same aim and purpose.

I think I heard in a briefing that it will be compatible with other apps doing the same thing. Not sure if thats possible but good if it is for future use

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't think it's available in Scotland as couldn't find it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't know if it will work as the state IT projects have not got a great track record.

However I would use it as if it only saves 1 person then its worth it.

Are we using the same app as other countries? If so why the need to trial it ?

from what I understand different countries are using different apps but thay all have the same aim and purpose.

I think I heard in a briefing that it will be compatible with other apps doing the same thing. Not sure if thats possible but good if it is for future use"

Fair enough, I am sure it will be useful and hopefully the data collected will only be used for the purpose of tracking people with the virus, if so , I will be using it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a chance in hell that'll I'd ever download this ....be utterly mad to do so.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I don't know if it will work as the state IT projects have not got a great track record.

However I would use it as if it only saves 1 person then its worth it.

Are we using the same app as other countries? If so why the need to trial it ?

from what I understand different countries are using different apps but thay all have the same aim and purpose.

I think I heard in a briefing that it will be compatible with other apps doing the same thing. Not sure if thats possible but good if it is for future use

Fair enough, I am sure it will be useful and hopefully the data collected will only be used for the purpose of tracking people with the virus, if so , I will be using it "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't know if it will work as the state IT projects have not got a great track record.

However I would use it as if it only saves 1 person then its worth it.

Are we using the same app as other countries? If so why the need to trial it ?

from what I understand different countries are using different apps but thay all have the same aim and purpose.

I think I heard in a briefing that it will be compatible with other apps doing the same thing. Not sure if thats possible but good if it is for future use

Fair enough, I am sure it will be useful and hopefully the data collected will only be used for the purpose of tracking people with the virus, if so , I will be using it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok so it’s an nhs app, but some one must be operating it for them, so some unknown company could get access to all your confidential Medical history, Plus everything you do 24/7. rem_mber Cambridge analytica a few years ago. How do they know 60% take up will give them what they need, what other government agencies are going to have access to your private information. I’m out, I’m not having any form of test and certainly not having any vaccine. "

This. All of it. Here's the key to tracking everyone 24/7 under the cover of it being in our interest. None of this was ever about the virus.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This. All of it. Here's the key to tracking everyone 24/7 under the cover of it being in our interest. None of this was ever about the virus."

The hell will freeze over before I install this app. Burner phone is at the ready.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

In Germany if you don't have Smartphone they give you a bluetooth wristband.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

This. All of it. Here's the key to tracking everyone 24/7 under the cover of it being in our interest. None of this was ever about the virus."

So the whole cunning plan was to introduce a virus so they could surreptitiously introduce a population tracking system?

I assume it will be a sneaky app that looks like you have deleted it but it remains in ninja mode

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

This. All of it. Here's the key to tracking everyone 24/7 under the cover of it being in our interest. None of this was ever about the virus.

So the whole cunning plan was to introduce a virus so they could surreptitiously introduce a population tracking system?

I assume it will be a sneaky app that looks like you have deleted it but it remains in ninja mode "

When they have the dataset, what is to stop them using it for other purposes?

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

This. All of it. Here's the key to tracking everyone 24/7 under the cover of it being in our interest. None of this was ever about the virus.

So the whole cunning plan was to introduce a virus so they could surreptitiously introduce a population tracking system?

I assume it will be a sneaky app that looks like you have deleted it but it remains in ninja mode

When they have the dataset, what is to stop them using it for other purposes?"

From all reports the data is only stored on your phone, no cloud or database storage occurs, and gets purged periodically (21 days I think). Data must be shared if you show symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why not do the basic things first, like tell everyone to wear facemasks to prevent the spread? But no, lets roll out mass surveillance app!

And for the facemask sceptics: if they were so useless - front line workers wouldn't be so desperate to have them.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"People saying they will not download and use the app ... is your decision formed from having knowledge of exactly how this app works or because of rumour and “I know what I know” type attitude ?

Its a choice I suppose. You can't force someone to do something if there ius no requirement to.

The UK government have a track record for mass data breaches, so you can see why some folks reluctant to download the app.

my fab mobile has the gps switched on my everyday phone has as little as possible turned on.and to be honest with you my fone gets left indoors at least a cpl times a week if i dont qant peeps being able to get in touch with me.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"Why not do the basic things first, like tell everyone to wear facemasks to prevent the spread? But no, lets roll out mass surveillance app!

And for the facemask sceptics: if they were so useless - front line workers wouldn't be so desperate to have them."

There is no restriction on facemasks, anyone can wear them, your choice. They may well be made mandatory on public transport and such when they lift restrictions

Gawd im sounding like like government mouthpiece

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do we really need the app when the virus has spread already in the UK, we know phones can be traced and located easy enough but giving people access to your movements 24/7 we wont be installing it also blue tooth on so it can see other mobile devices close to you ?? A big battery drain and another access to your phone by the unscrupulous people out there. Too much like big brothers watching you and how safe is the data they collect ? Is it restricted to just location ?? To rushed to produce these apps and they will definitely be open to abuse or access by other people or agencies.

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"We should all download the Covid 19 App to assist the NHS. Go to your App Store now

We all should NOT download the app I've got an idea why don't we all wear some kind of pajama and maybe we could have a colourful star on it this way we could all see who is infected......

NAME AND PAPERS !!!!

Ps anyone who says if you've got nothing to hide etc you are the government's perfect malleable person."

*hands the OP a tinfoil hat...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why not do the basic things first, like tell everyone to wear facemasks to prevent the spread? But no, lets roll out mass surveillance app!

And for the facemask sceptics: if they were so useless - front line workers wouldn't be so desperate to have them.

There is no restriction on facemasks, anyone can wear them, your choice. They may well be made mandatory on public transport and such when they lift restrictions

Gawd im sounding like like government mouthpiece

I'm not talking restrictions on facemasks, I'm saying make them mandatory everywhere.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Apparently the App says you are only at risk if you have been in close contact with an infected person for at least 15 minutes. So anyone staying at home,just going out for excercise or popping into a shop will never have close contact with someone for more than 15 minutes so what is the point of downloading the App ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why not do the basic things first, like tell everyone to wear facemasks to prevent the spread? But no, lets roll out mass surveillance app!

And for the facemask sceptics: if they were so useless - front line workers wouldn't be so desperate to have them."

Front line workers are desperate to have the right kind of face masks, not just any face mask. To protect yourself from Covid 19 you need a properly fitted FFP3 mask as a minimum, the silly little surgical masks you see are ok for stopping blood and piss etc. getting in your mouth and nose but not for much else.

Everyone wearing those type of face masks will offer a minimal amount of protection to others though, if you have Covid 19, so long as they don't touch anything you touch that is.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Apparently the App says you are only at risk if you have been in close contact with an infected person for at least 15 minutes. So anyone staying at home,just going out for excercise or popping into a shop will never have close contact with someone for more than 15 minutes so what is the point of downloading the App ?"

Do you want to be in lockdown forever?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also there are only two types of Bluetooth technology available on smartphones - that find to other devices less than 10m away and more than 10m away. How will it know if you're less than 2m away from someone or more than 5m away?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I won't be downloading anything. It's all a bit too big brother for me and I don't like that

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

" How will it know if you're less than 2m away from someone or more than 5m away?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" How will it know if you're less than 2m away from someone or more than 5m away?

So you could stand in a supermarket queue for 20 minutes. You are totally safe because you are 2m apart. But you could get an alert to say you were in close contact with an infected person when actually they were 4m away and no danger yet now you are being told to isolate for 14 days. "
Exactly. They will only try to "estimate" the proximity by the strength of the signal between the devices. How many factors will affect that and what error margin will they use?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What if you go out without your phone..? Or its battery dies ? Will it become mandatory to have a fully working app installed phone with you 24/7..what's the intention for people who have been in close contact with someone who has the virus for 15 minutes ? Mandatory self isolation ? It wont work..too many variables and holes in it. To us it's just another tool to keep the fear level high..we are against it..

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By *priteyMan over a year ago

Hitchin

Absoluteley no chance of me downloading this app.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The distance between the devices is measured by the strength of the Bluetooth signal between the devices - so if you walk past someone in supermarket at 2m it may register but signal strength weak and not for a long enough period of time to register. Stand 2m it less and the signal strength is stronger and therefore registers.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

Not as weak as you may think. The most basic one that can connect to other device at less than 10m can still go over 10 in perfect conditions. And the randomly generated key is only anonymous until you tell you have the symptoms, at which point you give your details. All you've been in contact with are notified anonymously until they contact NHS to ask what to do now. At which point they give they're details that get tied up to their anonymous keys. Before you know it the centralised database is fully loaded with non anonymous details - paradise for hackers.

No thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

No thanks."

If I have your randomly generated NHS number I can find out pretty much everything about you, healthwise, in 10-15 minutes.

I don't need a name, dob, or anything else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

No thanks.

If I have your randomly generated NHS number I can find out pretty much everything about you, healthwise, in 10-15 minutes.

I don't need a name, dob, or anything else."

Yes, I expect NHS numbers will be added to the database too once you provide your details.

The poster above meant the randomly generated numeric key of the device (smartphone) that Bluetooth uses.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

I guess all these people who are against the app never use google,amazon,ebay have a clubcard etc they all collect far to much data already but guess thats different

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

No thanks."

The strength of Bluetooth LE is calibrated by the app .

I don’t see any requirement for personal details to be provided if you develop symptoms.

Your location says you are Isle of Wight, but you will not be downloading the app.

Such a shame as you could try it and pass on your actual experience of it.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

No thanks.

If I have your randomly generated NHS number I can find out pretty much everything about you, healthwise, in 10-15 minutes.

I don't need a name, dob, or anything else."

How you going to do that if the random generated id (nothing to do with your actual nhs number ) is associated with a changing daily bluetooth number that is associated with only the first part of a postcode

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

An app on its own is useless, and that doesn't matter if it is a centralised or decentralised model. Contact tracing only is effecting when used in coordination with (mass) testing and quarantines/lockdowns.

Bruce Schneier is a very knowledgeable fellow on tech, security and privacy. He has a article on his blog about the limited efficacy of these apps.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm in principle in support of something like this.

The way it's been developed in practice, I will not support.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

This is why the virus will never be wiped out in this country, even when a vaccine is developed. Too many people who know better.

The NHS app (free to download) gives your mobile a unique "number", as far as I understand it does not collect your personal data (name, height, weight, sexual preference, name of your dog etc).

The app the uses low power bluetooth to record which other unique numbered phones you have been close to.

If someone you have been close to tests positive, they then tell the app (the app is not linked to testing register) that they have tested positive.

The app then sends out a message to all the unique numbered phones it has been close to.

You can then isolate, and more than likely request a test after a couple of days.

Please explain what personal data it is collecting.

Want the virus to go away? Want to return to doing what you used to do?

Get the app.

PS not a government minister just want this madness to end.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I'm in principle in support of something like this.

The way it's been developed in practice, I will not support. "
In what way has it been developed that you dont support?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well going off how many are saying they won't use the App looks like we are staying indoors a tad longer then. Lets hope that the untrustworthy government keep paying us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The strength of Bluetooth LE is calibrated by the app .

I don’t see any requirement for personal details to be provided if you develop symptoms.

Your location says you are Isle of Wight, but you will not be downloading the app.

Such a shame as you could try it and pass on your actual experience of it. "

Have you missed the bit that you'll have to be tested once you report the symptoms so your "contacts" can be released from self isolation if you test negative? That's when you'll give your details. Nobody will remove your details if you've tested negative.

Feel free to move to the island and share your own experience instead of watching how it will work out for the lab rats on the island.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

UK is one of the few European countries to opt for the "centralised" as afar as I know.

This approach is a long-term threat for people privacy while it doesn't have any particular advantage in regard to contact tracing.

Probably many people will not use it for this reason and it will be a complete fail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is why the virus will never be wiped out in this country, even when a vaccine is developed. Too many people who know better.

The NHS app (free to download) gives your mobile a unique "number", as far as I understand it does not collect your personal data (name, height, weight, sexual preference, name of your dog etc).

The app the uses low power bluetooth to record which other unique numbered phones you have been close to.

If someone you have been close to tests positive, they then tell the app (the app is not linked to testing register) that they have tested positive.

The app then sends out a message to all the unique numbered phones it has been close to.

You can then isolate, and more than likely request a test after a couple of days.

Please explain what personal data it is collecting.

Want the virus to go away? Want to return to doing what you used to do?

Get the app.

PS not a government minister just want this madness to end.

And yet it was deemed unsuitable for NHS app store as has failed all security checks required for the app to meet. That says something isn't it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm in principle in support of something like this.

The way it's been developed in practice, I will not support. In what way has it been developed that you dont support?"

This needs to be passed through primary rather than secondary legislation following public debate by both houses of parliament. This debate needs to include discussion of privacy concerns, safeguarding individual information, and how the app is combined with robust state activity to prevent spread.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

We cannot stop holding the government to account just because we're in a crisis. They need to do this properly or find another way.

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

Or is it simple distrust of Big Brother?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I'm in principle in support of something like this.

The way it's been developed in practice, I will not support. In what way has it been developed that you dont support?

Can't have scrutiny, not when it will shine a light on ministers being shareholders in the firm dominic cummings is part of..

And the amount of work the government is passing their way with no tendering process..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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The strength of Bluetooth LE is calibrated by the app .

I don’t see any requirement for personal details to be provided if you develop symptoms.

Your location says you are Isle of Wight, but you will not be downloading the app.

Such a shame as you could try it and pass on your actual experience of it.

Feel free to move to the island and share your own experience instead of watching how it will work out for the lab rats on the island."

The app will provide a link to book a test.

The process and result for this is independent to the functions of the app.

i think you are making some assumptions about personal information that you think will have to be entered.

I say again, given your location its a shame you wont download it, as then you would be able to say with authority - this is what the app does/doesn't require you to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bluetooth LE has been around for some time - Android 4.3 and iPhone 4s - around 2012

Fair to say nearly all mobiles since then will use Bluetooth LE chipset.

The only info shared between devices is the randomly generated numerical key which contains no personal info.

No thanks.

If I have your randomly generated NHS number I can find out pretty much everything about you, healthwise, in 10-15 minutes.

I don't need a name, dob, or anything else.

Yes, I expect NHS numbers will be added to the database too once you provide your details.

The poster above meant the randomly generated numeric key of the device (smartphone) that Bluetooth uses."

Oh sorry, yes I knew that but I was meaning that a randomly generated number is no defence against anything once it has been assigned to something.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The app will only work if people trust it, if people don't trust it then it is a pointless. Rather than being pragmatic the government is being dogmatic and refusing to listen to concerns. The app will fail and the government will blame everyone but itself when it is their responsibility to use an app that people trust.

It does not need to be centralised.

It does need to follow GDPR

It does need to pass the tests required to be in the NHS app library and both Apple and Android's app stores.

It does need to be open source and transparent.

Finally, it does need to be made by people other than friends of Dominic Cummings and the leave campaign who have a track record of abusing the data they collected.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

We live in a democracy and an age of accountability. While it is within the power of the government to pass secondary legislation to handle these measures, there is no reason why this should not be subject to full parliamentary scrutiny without delay.

In an age of accountability the questions that the human rights/ constitutional/ public procurement lawyers, tech experts, and medical (privacy) experts are asking require full transparent answers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The strength of Bluetooth LE is calibrated by the app .

I don’t see any requirement for personal details to be provided if you develop symptoms.

Your location says you are Isle of Wight, but you will not be downloading the app.

Such a shame as you could try it and pass on your actual experience of it.

Feel free to move to the island and share your own experience instead of watching how it will work out for the lab rats on the island.

The app will provide a link to book a test.

The process and result for this is independent to the functions of the app.

i think you are making some assumptions about personal information that you think will have to be entered.

I say again, given your location its a shame you wont download it, as then you would be able to say with authority - this is what the app does/doesn't require you to do.

How do you think my "contacts" would be notified they're ok to come out of the self isolation as I've tested negative if they don't tie up my personal information with the randomly generated Bluetooth key?

Again, it's my choice not to be a lab rat.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The app will only work if people trust it, if people don't trust it then it is a pointless. Rather than being pragmatic the government is being dogmatic and refusing to listen to concerns. The app will fail and the government will blame everyone but itself when it is their responsibility to use an app that people trust.

It does not need to be centralised.

It does need to follow GDPR

It does need to pass the tests required to be in the NHS app library and both Apple and Android's app stores.

It does need to be open source and transparent.

Finally, it does need to be made by people other than friends of Dominic Cummings and the leave campaign who have a track record of abusing the data they collected."

This..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It does not need to be centralised.

It does need to follow GDPR

It does need to pass the tests required to be in the NHS app library and both Apple and Android's app stores.

It does need to be open source and transparent.

Finally, it does need to be made by people other than friends of Dominic Cummings and the leave campaign who have a track record of abusing the data they collected.

This.. "

I agree too.

I would like a app to work, but it has to be trustworthy from the start...

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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The strength of Bluetooth LE is calibrated by the app .

I don’t see any requirement for personal details to be provided if you develop symptoms.

Your location says you are Isle of Wight, but you will not be downloading the app.

Such a shame as you could try it and pass on your actual experience of it.

Feel free to move to the island and share your own experience instead of watching how it will work out for the lab rats on the island.

The app will provide a link to book a test.

The process and result for this is independent to the functions of the app.

i think you are making some assumptions about personal information that you think will have to be entered.

I say again, given your location its a shame you wont download it, as then you would be able to say with authority - this is what the app does/doesn't require you to do.

Again, it's my choice not to be a lab rat."

The "contacts" your phone (random generated key) that has had suitable contact with also has a random generated key.

Any change in your condition simply alerts the app (random generated key with no personal info) to send out an alert to the other devices (random generated key with no personal info) that it has had suitable contact with .

No location info, no personal info.

Don't download the app and try/use it - thats entirely your choice, and i'm definitely not criticising you for that choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A few questions about the new covid19 app.

How close do you have to be to someone before the app will register a proximity reading, as the most common used Bluetooth has a range of 10 meters?

How long do you have to be in range before a proximity is registered, is it just walking past someone or do you have to be stood a certain length of time?

If the app is sensitive enough to provide the closeness and duration of exposure to someone with symptoms will it be able to provide a likelihood of catching covid19, say you had 1 minute of under 2 meters exposure to someone who has tested positive, you have a "medium" chance of contracting covid19?

Experts have repeatedly said just by walking past someone on the street has an almost negligible chance of catching the virus so a dumb app will give loads of false positives

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

We've just been informed we are the worst hit country in Europe for this disease !!!!

Also when the government said we had for example 1 million gloves (ppe) they have been caught out and admitted to lying they were counting each individual glove so actually the figure was half a million not 1 million.

It's just lies after lies and pure incompetence.

Why would anyone think the app would work is beyond me and why would anyone think the app wouldn't know everything about you and your whereabouts is beyond me too.

Wake up people !!

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

May I ask as a non technical person when installing the app what information it will require?

Will I have to enter bank of other financial details?

I'm trying to understand what details people say we are giving up and if its any more than say the car breakdown app I have on my phone ext

Thanks

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

"May I ask as a non technical person when installing the app what information it will require?

Will I have to enter bank of other financial details?

I'm trying to understand what details people say we are giving up and if its any more than say the car breakdown app I have on my phone ext

Thanks"

This is just the start.

First it will be just your basic needs telephone number, address maybe even workplace address. It will know your complete NHS history any illnesses or issues you've ever had.

Then it will become more insidious, you will end up having to have a blood test done to prove you've got antibodies so you can work, sell, buy or gather with others they will hold your DNA and then eventually when it all settles they will sell your information, imagine in 10years time you try and get insurance and they are already aware because of your DNA you're predisposed to have cancer or something. I'm not a tinfoil brigade person I'm just not buying into it, especially when we are lied too constantly over and over again. If anyone can give me one good thing the government has done in this is be shocked

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By *cd and scruffCouple over a year ago

Rochester

I don't get why people are so worried.

Google tracks you.

Apple tracks you.

Banks track you

Your oyster card tracks you.

Store cards track you and monitor what you buy.

Credit cards track you

Facebook knows too much about you.

The mobile network tracks which antenna you connect to.

Google tracks your internet browsing.

Amazon tracks your spending habits.

Have your shopping delivered? OMG

The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you."

It's not targeting ads at you YET.

Why are they collating data centrally? The rest of the world aren't doing that. Who are they holding the data for? Who will be able to buy access to it? How is that data going to be used during the next election?

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"May I ask as a non technical person when installing the app what information it will require?

Will I have to enter bank of other financial details?

I'm trying to understand what details people say we are giving up and if its any more than say the car breakdown app I have on my phone ext

Thanks

This is just the start.

First it will be just your basic needs telephone number, address maybe even workplace address. It will know your complete NHS history any illnesses or issues you've ever had.

Thank you for your response

Is what you say fact (ie you have proof) or an opinion?

Who will be selling my health details in 10 years time?

Thank you

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I don't get why people are so worried.

Google tracks you.

Apple tracks you.

Banks track you

Your oyster card tracks you.

Store cards track you and monitor what you buy.

Credit cards track you

Facebook knows too much about you.

The mobile network tracks which antenna you connect to.

Google tracks your internet browsing.

Amazon tracks your spending habits.

Have your shopping delivered? OMG

The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you."
Yes its amazing how people would rather trust companies who do everything in their power to avoid paying uk tax than a government who are paying 6 million peoples wages at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So if you're at work maybe a driver so don't get paid to sit at home,and you get a text saying go home and lock yourself down. Who's paying you and your rent because SSP won't cover it, ok for the rich to ask you to go on the app.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't get why people are so worried.

Google tracks you.

Apple tracks you.

Banks track you

Your oyster card tracks you.

Store cards track you and monitor what you buy.

Credit cards track you

Facebook knows too much about you.

The mobile network tracks which antenna you connect to.

Google tracks your internet browsing.

Amazon tracks your spending habits.

Have your shopping delivered? OMG

The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you."

So when your bank announces they had a security breach and x amount of customer details were stolen you say "so what?"

Other apps do track your information and the databases are decentralised, encrypted etc. Only a small part of information is stored about you. This app will hold much more information about you (eventually) in a centralised pot without being clear who exactly has access to it. Also officials said themselves that being centralised allows them to add on top of what the app will do now and modify it as they pleased. They'll be able to collect any data they want about you and won't necessarily tell you. Now imagine that database is hacked into (it will be eventually). Will you not be worried then?

Did you watch the BBC breakfast this morning where not a single security question was answered, but a subject was being changed every time a question about security is asked?

Btw, did I mention that Bluetooth is the easiest technology to hack into (and you'll have to have it turned on all the time)? That will allow access to everything you have on the phone. How many apps and websites are you permanently logged into that hold your name, address, dob, bank account, credit card details etc.?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't get why people are so worried.

Google tracks you.

Apple tracks you.

Banks track you

Your oyster card tracks you.

Store cards track you and monitor what you buy.

Credit cards track you

Facebook knows too much about you.

The mobile network tracks which antenna you connect to.

Google tracks your internet browsing.

Amazon tracks your spending habits.

Have your shopping delivered? OMG

The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you."

Dont use google for searches

Dont have a iphone

Dont do online banking

No oyster card (dont know what it is)

Ditched my store cards as I dont use them and very rarely need my credit card.

Never been on Facebook

Mobile...my location is off( yeah I know the twats at google probably ignore this)

As said no google browsing

Shut my amazon account months back after seeing how much data they collect

So yeah ebay gets some info.

What I'm saying is we Can all take steps to lower the amount of data we give out.

And no way will I give it to the dodgy developers of this app. Thank you

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"I don't get why people are so worried.

Google tracks you.

Apple tracks you.

Banks track you

Your oyster card tracks you.

Store cards track you and monitor what you buy.

Credit cards track you

Facebook knows too much about you.

The mobile network tracks which antenna you connect to.

Google tracks your internet browsing.

Amazon tracks your spending habits.

Have your shopping delivered? OMG

The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you.

So when your bank announces they had a security breach and x amount of customer details were stolen you say "so what?"

Did you watch the BBC breakfast this morning where not a single security question was answered, but a subject was being changed every time a question about security is asked?

A post laden with misinformation.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I don't get why people are so worried.

Google tracks you.

Apple tracks you.

Banks track you

Your oyster card tracks you.

Store cards track you and monitor what you buy.

Credit cards track you

Facebook knows too much about you.

The mobile network tracks which antenna you connect to.

Google tracks your internet browsing.

Amazon tracks your spending habits.

Have your shopping delivered? OMG

The NHS app does what everybody else is already doing to you, but this one may save a few lives instead of targeting adds at you.

So when your bank announces they had a security breach and x amount of customer details were stolen you say "so what?"

Did you watch the BBC breakfast this morning where not a single security question was answered, but a subject was being changed every time a question about security is asked?

May I ask is what your saying fact or an opinion?

Is the problems you mention only a problem due to this app. In other words could the same things happen anyway?

Finding this thread very interesting and informative

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We should all download the Covid 19 App to assist the NHS. Go to your App Store now "

Not a chance in hell, would rather stay home every day and night.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May I ask is what your saying fact or an opinion?

Is the problems you mention only a problem due to this app. In other words could the same things happen anyway?

Finding this thread very interesting and informative"

Nobody has the facts of what the app will do exactly and how it will be modified during and after the trial. The official have only said they'll "tweak" it based on the results. Do your own research into the technology it's using and the potential of such app and centralised database. Come to your own conclusions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A post laden with misinformation.

Feel free to post the correct information.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

May I ask is what your saying fact or an opinion?

Is the problems you mention only a problem due to this app. In other words could the same things happen anyway?

Finding this thread very interesting and informative

Thank you again

yes I will come to my own conclusions I am just trying to find out about some of the possible problems. Many people claim many things so wanted to know is it fact or an opinion.

Also as I have some apps on my phone and things like facebook ect I was interested to see if the new app is worse than these

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website"

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

From what I gather its aim is to see if you have been close to another user who has later had a positive test. I am assuming the data then will be mostly your movements. As many places are now and have been for a long time covered by CCTV what difference does it make.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide"

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all."

never good to miss out parliment but in an emergency maybe

still my question is on the data and what difference it will make / how can it be used against me in a way thats not possible if I do not use the app

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all."

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide"

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear?

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier."

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all."

They're doing it already. They have trialed it on a small scale in one of the RAF bases. Now they're trialing it on a larger scale (Isle of Wight) from today for NHS and council workers and Thursday the rest of the residents to see what they need to "tweak" before rolling it out to the rest of England.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

And this is why they need to do it properly. Because without trust there will be low compliance, and with low compliance it'll be useless.

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

And this is why they need to do it properly. Because without trust there will be low compliance, and with low compliance it'll be useless."

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

I must be in the minority with just 1 phone I guess.

You state:

Download it fill out all your personal information required

what is this personal information?

again is this your opinion / speculation or fact

Unless its changed I understand the app to be voluntary so why would anyone challenge you when using your phone?

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

I must be in the minority with just 1 phone I guess.

You state:

Download it fill out all your personal information required

what is this personal information?

again is this your opinion / speculation or fact

Unless its changed I understand the app to be voluntary so why would anyone challenge you when using your phone?

Speculating here

I would expect phone number, sex, age range, possibly first 4 characters of post code

Anything more and I think they will get a lot of resistance, as I say, just guessing

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

I must be in the minority with just 1 phone I guess.

You state:

Download it fill out all your personal information required

what is this personal information?

again is this your opinion / speculation or fact

Unless its changed I understand the app to be voluntary so why would anyone challenge you when using your phone?

Speculating here

I would expect phone number, sex, age range, possibly first 4 characters of post code

Anything more and I think they will get a lot of resistance, as I say, just guessing"

thank you for being honest in that your guessing

I as mentioned before am not technical but assumed the phone number would be automatic when installing.

Not sure why it would ask sex, age range, possibly first 4 characters of post code

even if it did ask all those things they know all this anyway so where is the problem - its hardly secret information.

when people started saying they would not use it due to potential data breach ect I wrongly assumed you would need to enter financial details - that would be a worry indeed.

so far many people have made many claims none backed up by proof so can only assume its just thier opinion.

so far nobody has explained why its so bad. Why is it any worse than other apps? what can be abused with the app that can't without it

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The government refused GDPR compliant models and have gone with a model with much lower standards for privacy. Whether they plan anything nefarious or not, it's a poor standard to start from and will not engender trust or compliance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here's what it'll be collecting from the moment you download until they do the "tweaks" that we may or may not be told about.

"The government and NHS have been keen to stress that the app doesn’t collect user data that could identify an individual. Location data is not collected as GPS technology is not used and the app does not ask for a user’s name or other personal information. This extra information will be required if a person reports they have symptoms as they will need to be tested for coronavirus.

When you first download and use the app you will be asked to enter the first half of your postcode. Officials say this is to allow the NHS to track the spread of coronavirus.

The app will also record what phone you are using and information around Bluetooth usage. This includes the unique IDs of the devices you phone has interacted with. It also includes both how long devices were communicating and how strong the signal between the devices was. A stronger signal should, in theory, mean you were closer to an infected person.

While the app has been created to collect as little user information as possible, this doesn't mean there could be challenges faced. "There are some downsides to our approach though," Ian Levy, the technical director of the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC), an arm of GCHQ, has said in a blog post. "For example, the system ends up with a list of devices that have been near each other, even though they're anonymous."

The system knows that device 123456 and device ABCDEF, for instance, were near each other on a set of dates when one of the device owners reports their symptoms. "In theory, that's a privacy risk, but it's only stored on the NHS app system and there's no way to link device 123456 to 'Ian Levy' or a particular place," Levy says.

The cyber security monitoring of the system keeps logs which include IP address, but they're strictly access controlled and are only accessible to the cyber security team looking after the app system."

I see a few holes in here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The government refused GDPR compliant models and have gone with a model with much lower standards for privacy. Whether they plan anything nefarious or not, it's a poor standard to start from and will not engender trust or compliance."

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

I have no idea about GDPR so not sure if it appleis to to my phone or not

I doubt any model even the highest standard is perfect but I am simply trying to find out what is the risk.

If they go with a low standard model (and I agree with you it does not help confidence) what data is at risk that is not at risk now?

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Here's what it'll be collecting from the moment you download until they do the "tweaks" that we may or may not be told about.

When you first download and use the app you will be asked to enter the first half of your postcode. Officials say this is to allow the NHS to track the spread of coronavirus.

I see a few holes in here."

Thank you for the information

I now understand about the postcode bit and yes that will help

apart from movements I dont see any other information im giving

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear?

Please shut up.....you have nothing to hide ? You have your civil liberty.

Let me ask you this would you allow me or anyone else for that matter open your mail or emails before you read them and record all the information ?

If your answer is yes crack on you are what they want if your answer is no then why would you download an app that takes your information records it ???

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

Chesterfield

I’m not going anywhere near this.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I have no idea about GDPR so not sure if it appleis to to my phone or not

I doubt any model even the highest standard is perfect but I am simply trying to find out what is the risk.

If they go with a low standard model (and I agree with you it does not help confidence) what data is at risk that is not at risk now?"

I'm not sure, but something where they need maximum compliance (rather than you taking your chances) requires higher standards than usual. Government need to be held to the highest standard. They can't just slap "NHS" on something and expect us to just jump on board.

Does it meet NHS privacy standards?

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

"I'm going to recommend this article. Hopefully the description is enough to be Googled as I'm not sure I can post the link.

Nyasha Weinberg: Parliament must legislate on the government’s plans for contact tracing apps

On the UK Constitutional Law Association website

Thank you

so its still to get through both houses - quite a tight schedule given they want to roll it out this month.

It mentions several times about potential abuse of data but not what that data is and how its used against a person. I also do not still understand how it differs to all the other technology we have.

I am seeing the big brother comments a few times but am not sure what they have to hide

If they do it. They may choose to go via secondary legislation, which means they won't put it to parliament at all.

So if it goes through how are they going to inforce it?

Unless the network providers are on board it seems a pretty pointless.

They'll pass a law. Which presumably requires compliance. This goes for both primary and secondary legislation, although challenging secondary legislation in court is much easier.

Even if it becomes a law, how are they going to inforce it.

Most people have two phones. Download it fill out all your personal information required to show that you as an individual are complying then then leave it in the house or switched off.

If you are spotted using your phone i a public area you could be asked to provide proof of downloading the app?

I really can't see how they are going make people comply.

I must be in the minority with just 1 phone I guess.

You state:

Download it fill out all your personal information required

what is this personal information?

again is this your opinion / speculation or fact

Unless its changed I understand the app to be voluntary so why would anyone challenge you when using your phone?

To answer the questions I stated,

There needs to be personal information input and a database formed. The app won't work just by downloading it.

The app is voultery. However someone has stated in the post it could be pushed through parliament and made compulsory.

If it does how will they inforce it.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Here are the facts from the National Cyber Security Centre:

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/security-behind-nhs-contact-tracing-app

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/nhs-covid-19-app-explainer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Here's what it'll be collecting from the moment you download until they do the "tweaks" that we may or may not be told about.

When you first download and use the app you will be asked to enter the first half of your postcode. Officials say this is to allow the NHS to track the spread of coronavirus.

I see a few holes in here.

Thank you for the information

I now understand about the postcode bit and yes that will help

apart from movements I dont see any other information im giving

Not until you get the symptoms at which point you start giving your more personal details.

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

"Here are the facts from the National Cyber Security Centre:

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/security-behind-nhs-contact-tracing-app

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/nhs-covid-19-app-explainer

I like this bit

The privacy and security design is there to support the epidemiological model and the needs of clinicians who are managing the virus in the UK. There are balances and trades to be made.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"Here are the facts from the National Cyber Security Centre:

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/security-behind-nhs-contact-tracing-app

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/nhs-covid-19-app-explainer

Thanks for this, the way it reads is that when you or someone gets C19 then anyone who has been in proximity will receive an alert from 'the app'. This sounds like no other intervention is required, so why are they building this huge tracing team? Where do they come into it? Anyone know?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"In the end, the choice you have to make is a balance between individual, group and national privacy, and the public health authorities having the minimum information necessary to manage the spread of the virus. The NHS app is designed to balance those things, minimizing the data the health authorities get to that necessary to respond with protecting the privacy of our users. There are many ways of implementing these things, but the NHS app is a good balance in the team's view."

Facts:

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/security-behind-nhs-contact-tracing-app

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/nhs-covid-19-app-explainer

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