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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths." And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved? | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. " Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! " Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths." Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. " It’s been stopped in Iceland, in South Korea, in New Zealand and in Australia to name a few so you are grossly incorrect! | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! " No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. " Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. " Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine? How aids is stopped with a vaccine? How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine? Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk. The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by. The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter. Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this. We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later. Lock down cannot persist for 18 months. We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty. Its time to face the music. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. " Don't be ridiculous, if you're not near anyone you can't get it or pass it on. | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co." Where did this poster mention Corbyn? You can't keep falling back on that to excuse the balls up this Government has made of it. It's done well with the financial side, the health side has been a disaster!! | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. It’s been stopped in Iceland, in South Korea, in New Zealand and in Australia to name a few so you are grossly incorrect!" If you think the virus has been stopped anywhere you're sadly mistaken This virus is here to stay for the immediate future if not for longer Don't forget this all started with ONE person a long way away and only a few short months ago There are now millions, possibly hundreds of millions infected and whilst it's under some sort of control in a lot of countries it's certainly far from over in ANY country 29th April Australia 19 new cases, Iceland around 10 new cases this week | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. " This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co." True, they might have thrown money at a furlough scheme. They may also have bailed out train franchises or even written off the debt of the NHS a bit like the ... o yes the current lot. Only difference is that if Corbyn and co had spent half the money the tories just have, the Mail abc yourself would have mooned about it for 25 years. But with this lot, no problem! | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst." I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally. | |||
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" Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co." This is a pathetic statement being continually spewed out by people who have no other defence for the Governments ineptitude   | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally."  | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved?" I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients? | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved? I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients?" They have less deaths but roughly the same confirmed cases. | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co." Literally unbelievable | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved? I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients? They have less deaths but roughly the same confirmed cases." But if they’re testing significantly more that’s to be expected isn’t it? | |||
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" Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co. This is a pathetic statement being continually spewed out by people who have no other defence for the Governments ineptitude "I wouldn’t go down the road of politicising this. But the government have been absolutely hapless in dealing with it . Fallen well short in every department | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst." If you believe that Italian, French and Spanish stats are correct then have a look at this article, in the Guardian, no less. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/is-comparing-covid-19-death-rates-across-europe-helpful- The ONS weekly figures have always included Covid-19 deaths. The last published figures showed a total of 19093 to 17th April, where as the Worldometers figures were 14576. | |||
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"Everyone seems to want to play the blame game, so I suggest my friends we look east for the real blame." Eastenders? | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally." Because they’re weak. They will not admit they’ve made any mistakes. It’s time to show strength and be humble and admit they’ve royally fucked up with this. Then, the public might just cut them some slack. Hancock has to go, for one. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved? I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients? They have less deaths but roughly the same confirmed cases. But if they’re testing significantly more that’s to be expected isn’t it?" Considering population Germany is testing less than Italy. Anyway the point was that they don't have less cases so they are under the same pressure of UK. Still the PPE shortage is a recent thing. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths." Yes people complain about the figures only including hospital deaths but that's generally how all countries report this | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Yes people complain about the figures only including hospital deaths but that's generally how all countries report this" Nope. There is a question mark for Spain but in France for example, hospitals and care homes are included. | |||
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"All countries report and count deaths in different ways, the lockdown IS working but we are also now seeing the results of the selfish twats that wouldn't stay in on the Easter weekend. " These extra numbers are due to care home deaths, don't think its fair to call these people selfish twats, i would assume they weren't out and about over easter | |||
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"Deaths and new infections (confirmed by test) are falling. Our so called "lockdown" is working. We have capacity in ventilator and oxygen plus beds. Nightingale Harrogate has zero, yes zero patients. Need to look at so many factors to compare country with country including the density of population (in both senses)." It's fortunate that the Nightingale hospitals have so few patients because we don't have the ICU trained staff to man them, the Nightingale in London was turning patients away because they didn't have the staff to be able to look after them. The buildings and all the beds and equipment in them are all fucking useless without the staff trained to look after such desperately ill patients. Putting a load of beds in an exhibition centre is the easy part, any idiot can do that, having enough trained staff to make them usable? That takes years, especially as the NHS has been suffering the death of a thousand cuts over the last decade. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Yes people complain about the figures only including hospital deaths but that's generally how all countries report this Nope. There is a question mark for Spain but in France for example, hospitals and care homes are included." Where are you getting the info that Italy is including outside deaths in their numbers ? I have seen quite a few reports of outside deaths not being reported, but nothing reported to say they do include them . | |||
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"Deaths and new infections (confirmed by test) are falling. Our so called "lockdown" is working. We have capacity in ventilator and oxygen plus beds. Nightingale Harrogate has zero, yes zero patients. Need to look at so many factors to compare country with country including the density of population (in both senses). It's fortunate that the Nightingale hospitals have so few patients because we don't have the ICU trained staff to man them, the Nightingale in London was turning patients away because they didn't have the staff to be able to look after them. The buildings and all the beds and equipment in them are all fucking useless without the staff trained to look after such desperately ill patients. Putting a load of beds in an exhibition centre is the easy part, any idiot can do that, having enough trained staff to make them usable? That takes years, especially as the NHS has been suffering the death of a thousand cuts over the last decade." I asked a few weeks ago who was going to staff them and was told it was all the drs etc coming out of retirement. Another shitshow. | |||
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"Do they do care homes in the US? I thought Trump was drowning the elderly at 80 years old. Too expensive and too cumbersome! " Like an oap Logans run.? | |||
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"think that’s going to be the line of defence used by the tories. Our number are absolutely on the money because we can count better than anyone else in the world. ( how many times have you heard recently that we are the best in the world at everything??) The French can’t count. The Italians are too lazy to count above 20000 and the Spaniards have gone to the beach after 25000." Don't worry, we've got this....from the Diane Abbott and Priti Patel School of Mathematics....  | |||
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"Do they do care homes in the US? I thought Trump was drowning the elderly at 80 years old. Too expensive and too cumbersome! Like an oap Logans run.?" Luv a bit of Jenny Agutter | |||
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"The slides that accompanied the news brief today and showed the death toll in the US, UK, Spain Italy, France, Germany and Sweden listed on the side whether they listed care home deaths aswell, only in the US and Spain figures was any uncertainty in care home deaths https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-29-april-2020 " | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine? How aids is stopped with a vaccine? How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine? Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk. The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by. The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter. Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this. We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later. Lock down cannot persist for 18 months. We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty. Its time to face the music. " That approach failed. It's been a different one that's been successful in other countries. Deciding to exterminate a huge bulk of a population was sometimes touted by immoral leaders in the past, without empathy etc. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. It’s been stopped in Iceland, in South Korea, in New Zealand and in Australia to name a few so you are grossly incorrect!" Without any immunity build up. Once their lockdown ends it will only take one person to start it off and that’s a load of deaths, a second lockdown and a financial crisis... | |||
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"I always said it was airborne I’ve never believed the government! Doesn’t make sense that it isn’t airborne! " Kind of like an unprotected Doctor or Nurse working with infected patients in a hospital, gets infected whilst on a quick windy walk going home? | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally." They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan. Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally. They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan. Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this" Not at all. People asked them to include care homes but they have now included the percentage of death per capita. Nobody’s asked them to do this. It suits them and it will be enough to brainwash the monobraincell Daily Mail readers. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally. They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan. Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this Not at all. People asked them to include care homes but they have now included the percentage of death per capita. Nobody’s asked them to do this. It suits them and it will be enough to brainwash the monobraincell Daily Mail readers. " The per capita deaths is a far more accurate way of comparing different countries. Without it you are comparing countries with a population of say 30 million to a country with a population of 330 million. Higher the population will mean more people to infect and sadly more deaths. Another problem is countries that seem to have faired better like Germany have started to ease thier lockdowns and have already reported in increase in the virus | |||
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"The slides that accompanied the news brief today and showed the death toll in the US, UK, Spain Italy, France, Germany and Sweden listed on the side whether they listed care home deaths aswell, only in the US and Spain figures was any uncertainty in care home deaths https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-29-april-2020 " This is an interesting change to the daily international slide . | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. " Numbers are pointless if there are not accurate. | |||
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"People doesn’t want to understand the situation. Lot’s of random people on the street chilling smoking drinking car mechanics at work, lot’s of shops open etc..... Lock down will end in june ("It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June. | |||
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It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June. "That is right too but i was talking about people that basically they don’t have nothing to do and they are bored on the house saw they though that is better on the street drinking beer have a joint ....... walking without no sense. In the end is us who suffers | |||
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It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June.
That is right too but i was talking about people that basically they don’t have nothing to do and they are bored on the house saw they though that is better on the street drinking beer have a joint ....... walking without no sense.
In the end is us who suffers"It is so annoying seeing on TV people breaking the rules. Last week I think it was police stopped a family that thought it was ok for them to drive from London ( I think) to the coast to do a days fishing. Thankfully the police turned them around and fined them all. The fine I think is only £60 per person which is far to low especially for that type of stupidity. Either increase it big time and/or make any offenders do a few weeks on the front line with infected patients and no PPE ( or maybe just shoot them) | |||
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"In revised figures, Deaths rates related to on the rise in germany and a airborne virus detected in wuhan. Lock down ending is still a ways of and social distancing and face masks is set to be the new norm it seems" Except we haven't. Italy have over 27000 deaths | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally. They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan. Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this Not at all. People asked them to include care homes but they have now included the percentage of death per capita. Nobody’s asked them to do this. It suits them and it will be enough to brainwash the monobraincell Daily Mail readers. The per capita deaths is a far more accurate way of comparing different countries. Without it you are comparing countries with a population of say 30 million to a country with a population of 330 million. Higher the population will mean more people to infect and sadly more deaths. Another problem is countries that seem to have faired better like Germany have started to ease thier lockdowns and have already reported in increase in the virus" I agree. It’s the most accurate wAy to compare. However, I find it a bit odd that the gvt decided to do this for the very first time on the day when we topped the other conventional graph. Probably a coincidence! | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally. They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan. Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this Not at all. People asked them to include care homes but they have now included the percentage of death per capita. Nobody’s asked them to do this. It suits them and it will be enough to brainwash the monobraincell Daily Mail readers. The per capita deaths is a far more accurate way of comparing different countries. Without it you are comparing countries with a population of say 30 million to a country with a population of 330 million. Higher the population will mean more people to infect and sadly more deaths. Another problem is countries that seem to have faired better like Germany have started to ease thier lockdowns and have already reported in increase in the virus I agree. It’s the most accurate wAy to compare. However, I find it a bit odd that the gvt decided to do this for the very first time on the day when we topped the other conventional graph. Probably a coincidence! " Yes maybe a coincidence but they are policians after all so cant help themselves lol As long as they compare like for like as in the per capita slide then we have an understanding of where we are and what countries to learn from and which not to | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. " Wrong. I’m sorry if you watched the briefing today the slide showed which countries counted care home death and Italy was one of them | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. " This isn't a lockdown, there are restrictions in place. Lockdown is where you can't go out, if you do go out for shopping you have to fill in a form. Something like what France is doing. | |||
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"Pointless discussing this as if you voted Tory we are brilliant if you didn't were bad. 1 death is too many " Yes this is not a party issue | |||
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"I always said it was airborne I’ve never believed the government! Doesn’t make sense that it isn’t airborne! " It's the medical "experts", here, everywhere else and WHO that all say it is not airbourne but droplet bourne....it's not the government. | |||
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"All countries report and count deaths in different ways, the lockdown IS working but we are also now seeing the results of the selfish twats that wouldn't stay in on the Easter weekend. These extra numbers are due to care home deaths, don't think its fair to call these people selfish twats, i would assume they weren't out and about over easter " I wasn't talking about the people that died being selfish twats, I'm talking about the ones that have potentially passed it on to the vulnerable people. Those are the selfish twats. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. This is not true. Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing. But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included. It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain. EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst. I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top. It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck. Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then? Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally. They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan. Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this Not at all. People asked them to include care homes but they have now included the percentage of death per capita. Nobody’s asked them to do this. It suits them and it will be enough to brainwash the monobraincell Daily Mail readers. " I don't think it suits them at all, it makes things look worse, if anything. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine? How aids is stopped with a vaccine? How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine? Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk. The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by. The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter. Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this. We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later. Lock down cannot persist for 18 months. We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty. Its time to face the music. " | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine? How aids is stopped with a vaccine? How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine? Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk. The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by. The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter. Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this. We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later. Lock down cannot persist for 18 months. We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty. Its time to face the music. "I too agree with this to a certain extent, relax the rules gradually so that the numbers manage to stay under some kind of control. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine? How aids is stopped with a vaccine? How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine? Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk. The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by. The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter. Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this. We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later. Lock down cannot persist for 18 months. We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty. Its time to face the music. ". Yep lockdown is to help the nhs .....a lot of empty hospitals and the new centres so that is proof we have the facilities to be used for the needy Companies are already opening up more and more people about. | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. " That's so, so true. I wished it wasn't. Charity filling kitties that the taxman fails to do. Good old Tom! The man who beat Sport Relief and Comic Relief. I'm not fussed about the New year's honours list, but maybe he is...arise Sir Tom (over Skype). On a lighter note, in honour of Tom's efforts the FAB age limit should be raised, as he has shown us what true stamina is all about. Three cheers for the birthday boy, hip hip, hooray... | |||
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"Numbers and daily count plus who has the most dead is all crap for the news. The world will have to come out of lockdown, then wait a year and publish the results. Thousands more are going to die in every country. " Incorrect once again. There are many countries where the death tole won’t be above 3 figures. | |||
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"Numbers and daily count plus who has the most dead is all crap for the news. The world will have to come out of lockdown, then wait a year and publish the results. Thousands more are going to die in every country. Incorrect once again. There are many countries where the death tole won’t be above 3 figures." Most countries that have low death rate have locked their people almost in their homes, they have to come out sometime . With very few people who caught the virus it will rip through them, and they can't go back into lockdown because the money will have run out. | |||
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"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths. Italy report only hospital deaths. Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. " France have been counting care home deaths for ages | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co." You're speculating what may have happened under a Labour government to excuse the clusterfuck that Spaffer and his mates have presided over....a desperate attempt to deflect from the reality we are living with | |||
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"The total death figures between countries is rubbih right now as figures are collected differently in all countries.The figures released today included care homes,the Italian figutes do not the true figures will not be known for a longtime.all countries are using different methods" The figures for Italy do include care home deaths. Our government briefing today was very clear about that. It was also clear that the data for Germany, Sweden and France also included care home deaths. How come you apparently know better? | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK " You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world | |||
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"Did someone say hospitals are "nearly empty?" To be fair that is reasonably correct, due to the fact that in order to cope pretty much all resource has been used for Covid 19 the elective areas of hospitals that do the day to day stuff are very quiet, which is handy because the staff who usually work there are on the Covid 19 wards. | |||
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"i dont think all of these deaths are just from the virus .Someone we know their relative died of a heart attack and on the death certificate it said covid 19" Covid 19 attacks many of the body's organs, not just the lungs. | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris" I trust them equally. | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally." Are you being serious? | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world" Finally someone with common sense actually Italy is still higher than the UK but England has higher nos due to the population density in the cities as you move away from the cities its less prevelant. US is the same and in countries like China and Taiwan its the most populated areas that are hit hardest, the countries that are showing recovery are large areas where populations are more spread out. It is really not conclusive to compare like for like as all countries are different in terms of geographic and density. Also all countries have said they were not fully prepared for this or had enough resources, there is a worldwide shortage of resources so to constantly blame a goverment if failing I am wondering how you expect them to produce resources that no where else in The world can produce at the rate its required. So taking in all the variables we are comparable to other countries in terms of how many we have been infected and deaths, our counties have been less strick about lock down in other areas as it goes against the grain and is relying on the public to behave responsibly which as we can see those who think they know better are flaunting the guidance and taking more risks.. | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients." Prior warning does not.matter, the boffins in Westminster know better than anyone anywhere else. This is why the UK is such an amazing and wonderful.family of nations of which we can all be extremely proud... | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients." Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally. Are you being serious?" 100% I don't think the Chinese are hiding anything that Boris wouldn't were he in charge over there. | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK " Correct, and those that heeded the warning such as South Korea, New Zealand, Germany, Denmark etc. are the ones who have fewer people dying. Being as rubbish as other people does not excuse our government's ineffectiveness, especially when we can see that other countries have done much better. | |||
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"People doesn’t want to understand the situation. Lot’s of random people on the street chilling smoking drinking car mechanics at work, lot’s of shops open etc..... Lock down will end in june (
It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June.
That is right too but i was talking about people that basically they don’t have nothing to do and they are bored on the house saw they though that is better on the street drinking beer have a joint ....... walking without no sense.
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK " We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally. Are you being serious? 100% I don't think the Chinese are hiding anything that Boris wouldn't were he in charge over there." That's a strange analogy and if you trust the Chinese communist party over our government then I think adding anything else to this conversation would just be futile | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong." I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok | |||
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"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co." Heard this excuse so often from people trying to find something positive about our government. The fact will remain that Johnsons attitude and casual approach to this crisis will have cost the lives of thousands and will have put the economy much further back than other European countries who reacted quicker. No government from the last 100 years could have done worse! | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok" So, Cheltenham was a good idea??? Don't go to the pub but don't shut them was a good idea?? Jeez, it's a truly worrying path we are going down when, because of political allegiance, you can't call out idiocy! | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok So, Cheltenham was a good idea??? Don't go to the pub but don't shut them was a good idea?? Jeez, it's a truly worrying path we are going down when, because of political allegiance, you can't call out idiocy! " Of course in hindsight these things weren't good ideas but we can all look back and say what we should have done And as for political allegiance I have never voted for the conservative party | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok So, Cheltenham was a good idea??? Don't go to the pub but don't shut them was a good idea?? Jeez, it's a truly worrying path we are going down when, because of political allegiance, you can't call out idiocy! Of course in hindsight these things weren't good ideas but we can all look back and say what we should have done And as for political allegiance I have never voted for the conservative party " Just baffling that you can't see those things made absolutely no sense and will have caused thousands of deaths. | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok So, Cheltenham was a good idea??? Don't go to the pub but don't shut them was a good idea?? Jeez, it's a truly worrying path we are going down when, because of political allegiance, you can't call out idiocy! Of course in hindsight these things weren't good ideas but we can all look back and say what we should have done And as for political allegiance I have never voted for the conservative party Just baffling that you can't see those things made absolutely no sense and will have caused thousands of deaths." But I can see that. This will be raked over for decades to come and we'll all be in the position to look back and see what we should have done. This crisis has been a steep learning curve for the entire world | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok" Are the tens of thousands of dead people not a hint? | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally. Are you being serious? 100% I don't think the Chinese are hiding anything that Boris wouldn't were he in charge over there. That's a strange analogy and if you trust the Chinese communist party over our government then I think adding anything else to this conversation would just be futile " Not strange at all, I think Johnson is in it entirely for the power, just like many politicians the world over, including those in the Chinese communist party. Johnson is a habitual liar, he has lost at least two jobs because of his lying and he would lie more often were he not likely to be found out because of the freedoms we have in this country. Do I think pathological liar Boris Johnson would lie more if he had the apparatus of the Chinese communist party behind him? Absolutely, because that’s what liars do, they lie. | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok Are the tens of thousands of dead people not a hint?" So the UK is the only country with thousands of deaths? | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok So, Cheltenham was a good idea??? Don't go to the pub but don't shut them was a good idea?? Jeez, it's a truly worrying path we are going down when, because of political allegiance, you can't call out idiocy! Of course in hindsight these things weren't good ideas but we can all look back and say what we should have done And as for political allegiance I have never voted for the conservative party Just baffling that you can't see those things made absolutely no sense and will have caused thousands of deaths. But I can see that. This will be raked over for decades to come and we'll all be in the position to look back and see what we should have done. This crisis has been a steep learning curve for the entire world " True, but we are always told we are Great Britain, we were 'one of the best prepared' yet a country like Vietnam has made us look extremely incompetent. | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world" Ireland has approx 40% of the population within the metropolitan area of Dublin, the corresponding figure for london is 20%. The UK death toll per capita is estimated to be 3.4 times higher than that of Ireland. Average household size in Ireland is also bigger than that of the UK. | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally. Are you being serious? 100% I don't think the Chinese are hiding anything that Boris wouldn't were he in charge over there. That's a strange analogy and if you trust the Chinese communist party over our government then I think adding anything else to this conversation would just be futile " Trust neither of them. | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Prior warning does not.matter, the boffins in Westminster know better than anyone anywhere else. This is why the UK is such an amazing and wonderful.family of nations of which we can all be extremely proud..." I read so much bullshit on this forum that I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not  | |||
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"Surely, it's more the point that we had prior warning and still had a shit outcome. One of the top Italian ICU doctors warned our Government what was coming, this was well before Boris went round shaking the hands of Covid patients. Every country in the world had prior warning, not just the UK We had specific, first hand evidence warning we would be 'overwhelmed' and what did we do? We let Cheltenham go ahead and told people not to go to pubs and restaurants but left them open, that was insane. I don't expect them to get it all right, but I do expect then to hold their hands up when they do get it wrong. I don't know how we had anymore advantage than any other country and I haven't seen how the UK has handled this any worse but ok Are the tens of thousands of dead people not a hint? So the UK is the only country with thousands of deaths?" Again, saying we’re just as rubbish as other rubbish countries is not good enough, other countries had the same warnings we did and have done so much better. Not being the worst might be good enough for you but it’s not good enough for the thousands who died needlessly, or their relatives. | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world Finally someone with common sense actually Italy is still higher than the UK but England has higher nos due to the population density in the cities as you move away from the cities its less prevelant. US is the same and in countries like China and Taiwan its the most populated areas that are hit hardest, the countries that are showing recovery are large areas where populations are more spread out. It is really not conclusive to compare like for like as all countries are different in terms of geographic and density. Also all countries have said they were not fully prepared for this or had enough resources, there is a worldwide shortage of resources so to constantly blame a goverment if failing I am wondering how you expect them to produce resources that no where else in The world can produce at the rate its required. So taking in all the variables we are comparable to other countries in terms of how many we have been infected and deaths, our counties have been less strick about lock down in other areas as it goes against the grain and is relying on the public to behave responsibly which as we can see those who think they know better are flaunting the guidance and taking more risks.. "At the begging of all this I remember UK govern explaining that the high death toll in Italy was due to the fact that Italy is full of old people. Now no one ask why we have more deaths with fewer old people? Italy, Spain and any other country can be divided conveniently to make the number of deaths look smaller... doesn't really change the result. Also Italy has an higher population density than England. Anyway the population density shouldn't matter too much when you are in lockdown. So I don't really know what we are talking about... I'm amazed by the ability that some people show in distorting the reality to be able to say that UK went above and beyond. Yes we did, but not in a nice way. | |||
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"Stop listening to the main stream media and do your own research, The government have an agenda and will lie cheat and deceive you to achieve that agenda. IE the latest figures on the ONS state state the number of people dying WITH corona, not OF corona, a huge huge difference, Also on the ONS it states, if some one dies of say a heart attack and they have corona, corona and heart attack are both listed on the death certificate, and the death is counted TWICE, yes TWICE. thus skewing the figures even more. Research research research:- Bill and Melinda gates foundation Tedros adhanom The world health organisation the BBC The American cdc Dr faucci Chris Witty Patrick Vallance Matt hancock Imperial college oxford Neal Ferguson they all have one big common denominator I personally think this virus is no more deadly than the Flu, and would go back to work today if I could At the time of writing this there are around 2 million people world wide with corona virus, this represent 0.026% of the population, and 228000 poor souls have died equalling 0.003% of the population. your chances of cancer now are 50% " What's the agenda? | |||
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"its not for me to say or not say, do your own research and make your own mind up " Sources for your research?? | |||
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"Stop listening to the main stream media and do your own research, The government have an agenda and will lie cheat and deceive you to achieve that agenda. IE the latest figures on the ONS state state the number of people dying WITH corona, not OF corona, a huge huge difference, Also on the ONS it states, if some one dies of say a heart attack and they have corona, corona and heart attack are both listed on the death certificate, and the death is counted TWICE, yes TWICE. thus skewing the figures even more. Research research research:- Bill and Melinda gates foundation Tedros adhanom The world health organisation the BBC The American cdc Dr faucci Chris Witty Patrick Vallance Matt hancock Imperial college oxford Neal Ferguson they all have one big common denominator I personally think this virus is no more deadly than the Flu, and would go back to work today if I could At the time of writing this there are around 2 million people world wide with corona virus, this represent 0.026% of the population, and 228000 poor souls have died equalling 0.003% of the population. your chances of cancer now are 50% " You say a person has a heart attack and corona virus and shouldn't be logged as a virus death but how do you know the heart attack wasn't in part caused by the virus or that the heart attack was survivable if the body wasn't already run down by fighting the virus. Plus your chances of getting cancer are exactly the same now as before the virus. You also forgot to say that of the 2 million cases World wide more than 10% have died if you want to use the figures you used. | |||
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"shall I do you research for you ?, you obviously have an internet connection, you have the whole world at your fingertips" There are a hell of a lot of sources out there, just asking for ones that are trustworthy. Surely you can provide just a couple?? | |||
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"Why it that the anti Boris people seem to gloat the more deaths mentioned. Rabb also say yesterday that once all the figures from the rest of Europe’s care homes and the like are counted we may have not won the competition after all " I don't where you get the idea that people are gloating. There is justifiable anger at the failure to prepare, the late response and failure of leadership. This has resulted in people dying unnecessarily. This isn't about personalities. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. "
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"Why it that the anti Boris people seem to gloat the more deaths mentioned. Rabb also say yesterday that once all the figures from the rest of Europe’s care homes and the like are counted we may have not won the competition after all " We aren’t floating, we are angry. Thousands f people have died because our government failed to act, we still don’t have enough PPE to protect our clinicians. If that doesn’t anger you then you should seriously question your values. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.
By now we should be seeing a noticeable downturn in the number of new infections, this is the most important number right now."I think it obviously points to the fact we didn't have a proper lockdown... | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world Finally someone with common sense actually Italy is still higher than the UK but England has higher nos due to the population density in the cities as you move away from the cities its less prevelant. US is the same and in countries like China and Taiwan its the most populated areas that are hit hardest, the countries that are showing recovery are large areas where populations are more spread out. It is really not conclusive to compare like for like as all countries are different in terms of geographic and density. Also all countries have said they were not fully prepared for this or had enough resources, there is a worldwide shortage of resources so to constantly blame a goverment if failing I am wondering how you expect them to produce resources that no where else in The world can produce at the rate its required. So taking in all the variables we are comparable to other countries in terms of how many we have been infected and deaths, our counties have been less strick about lock down in other areas as it goes against the grain and is relying on the public to behave responsibly which as we can see those who think they know better are flaunting the guidance and taking more risks..
At the begging of all this I remember UK govern explaining that the high death toll in Italy was due to the fact that Italy is full of old people. Now no one ask why we have more deaths with fewer old people?
Italy, Spain and any other country can be divided conveniently to make the number of deaths look smaller... doesn't really change the result.
Also Italy has an higher population density than England.
Anyway the population density shouldn't matter too much when you are in lockdown.
So I don't really know what we are talking about...
I'm amazed by the ability that some people show in distorting the reality to be able to say that UK went above and beyond. Yes we did, but not in a nice way."It’s also amazing that some can blatantly distort facts to support their argument. England’s population density is twice that of Italy, even the UK as a whole has a higher figure. Density will also play a major part in how many people have become infected prior to lockdown. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.
By now we should be seeing a noticeable downturn in the number of new infections, this is the most important number right now.
I think it obviously points to the fact we didn't have a proper lockdown..."We have a proper lockdown, just not because it isn't as strict as certain other countries doesn't mean that we shouldn't be seeing a significant drop in new cases. | |||
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"The true numbers will not be known until the end of the year when they can compare the number of deaths to the national average over previous years,yes there are people dying of it that are not recorded but also people who are in end of life care who are and would have died anyway.This is not unique to the uk italy and spain are asking the same questions." How many people who have died of Covid were on an end of life care pathway when they died? I don’t know personally but I’d suggest the number will not be statistically significant. | |||
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"that's why I say do your own research, 75% of uk deaths are people over 70 years of age. over 60& of deaths are over 80 years of age, 90% of deaths have underlying health conditions, a lot of the deaths had symptoms of corona, and were never even tested, but its still on the death certificate, my point about cancer is 50% will statistically get cancer opposed to a small percentage of corona, yet there is no ban on cancer causing foods like sugar processed foods etc, please do your own research, I don't care if you believe more or not, I have made my mind up about it all." So, you basically can't provide any valid sources. That's fine | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.
By now we should be seeing a noticeable downturn in the number of new infections, this is the most important number right now.
I think it obviously points to the fact we didn't have a proper lockdown...
We have a proper lockdown, just not because it isn't as strict as certain other countries doesn't mean that we shouldn't be seeing a significant drop in new cases."I'm sorry, it wasn't a proper lockdown. My friend lives in Milan, that was a lockdown. We half did it. | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally. Are you being serious? 100% I don't think the Chinese are hiding anything that Boris wouldn't were he in charge over there. That's a strange analogy and if you trust the Chinese communist party over our government then I think adding anything else to this conversation would just be futile Not strange at all, I think Johnson is in it entirely for the power, just like many politicians the world over, including those in the Chinese communist party. Johnson is a habitual liar, he has lost at least two jobs because of his lying and he would lie more often were he not likely to be found out because of the freedoms we have in this country. Do I think pathological liar Boris Johnson would lie more if he had the apparatus of the Chinese communist party behind him? Absolutely, because that’s what liars do, they lie." So Boris Johnson lied and the Chinese government lied, therefore they must be as bad as each other? What absolute twaddle | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world Finally someone with common sense actually Italy is still higher than the UK but England has higher nos due to the population density in the cities as you move away from the cities its less prevelant. US is the same and in countries like China and Taiwan its the most populated areas that are hit hardest, the countries that are showing recovery are large areas where populations are more spread out. It is really not conclusive to compare like for like as all countries are different in terms of geographic and density. Also all countries have said they were not fully prepared for this or had enough resources, there is a worldwide shortage of resources so to constantly blame a goverment if failing I am wondering how you expect them to produce resources that no where else in The world can produce at the rate its required. So taking in all the variables we are comparable to other countries in terms of how many we have been infected and deaths, our counties have been less strick about lock down in other areas as it goes against the grain and is relying on the public to behave responsibly which as we can see those who think they know better are flaunting the guidance and taking more risks..
At the begging of all this I remember UK govern explaining that the high death toll in Italy was due to the fact that Italy is full of old people. Now no one ask why we have more deaths with fewer old people?
Italy, Spain and any other country can be divided conveniently to make the number of deaths look smaller... doesn't really change the result.
Also Italy has an higher population density than England.
Anyway the population density shouldn't matter too much when you are in lockdown.
So I don't really know what we are talking about...
I'm amazed by the ability that some people show in distorting the reality to be able to say that UK went above and beyond. Yes we did, but not in a nice way.
It’s also amazing that some can blatantly distort facts to support their argument. England’s population density is twice that of Italy, even the UK as a whole has a higher figure.
Density will also play a major part in how many people have become infected prior to lockdown."Sorry, I meant that Lombardy population density is much higher than England and UK. And Italy and UK are not too far from each other. The effect of the lockdown also depend on when you introduce it. UK could have introduce it much earlier. Italy started partial lockdown in late February. If the population density in England was so relevant why the government waited 1 month? | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.
By now we should be seeing a noticeable downturn in the number of new infections, this is the most important number right now.
I think it obviously points to the fact we didn't have a proper lockdown...
We have a proper lockdown, just not because it isn't as strict as certain other countries doesn't mean that we shouldn't be seeing a significant drop in new cases.
I'm sorry, it wasn't a proper lockdown. My friend lives in Milan, that was a lockdown. We half did it."And I'm glad we didn't follow Italy and Spain's knee jerk reaction example. There's no evidence to suggest that it would have been anymore effective and could have actually resulted in more social problems. | |||
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"https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest Highest daily death rates outside the USA. On current trajectory we will have the highest deaths per capita in the world. But hey, look - a new baby!" I posted that link and got lambasted for it. The person in question said it was just guess work | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.
By now we should be seeing a noticeable downturn in the number of new infections, this is the most important number right now.
I think it obviously points to the fact we didn't have a proper lockdown...
We have a proper lockdown, just not because it isn't as strict as certain other countries doesn't mean that we shouldn't be seeing a significant drop in new cases.
I'm sorry, it wasn't a proper lockdown. My friend lives in Milan, that was a lockdown. We half did it.
And I'm glad we didn't follow Italy and Spain's knee jerk reaction example.
There's no evidence to suggest that it would have been anymore effective and could have actually resulted in more social problems."So, if we hadn't of had Cheltenham, there would of been no more deaths....complete and utter drivel | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world Finally someone with common sense actually Italy is still higher than the UK but England has higher nos due to the population density in the cities as you move away from the cities its less prevelant. US is the same and in countries like China and Taiwan its the most populated areas that are hit hardest, the countries that are showing recovery are large areas where populations are more spread out. It is really not conclusive to compare like for like as all countries are different in terms of geographic and density. Also all countries have said they were not fully prepared for this or had enough resources, there is a worldwide shortage of resources so to constantly blame a goverment if failing I am wondering how you expect them to produce resources that no where else in The world can produce at the rate its required. So taking in all the variables we are comparable to other countries in terms of how many we have been infected and deaths, our counties have been less strick about lock down in other areas as it goes against the grain and is relying on the public to behave responsibly which as we can see those who think they know better are flaunting the guidance and taking more risks..
At the begging of all this I remember UK govern explaining that the high death toll in Italy was due to the fact that Italy is full of old people. Now no one ask why we have more deaths with fewer old people?
Italy, Spain and any other country can be divided conveniently to make the number of deaths look smaller... doesn't really change the result.
Also Italy has an higher population density than England.
Anyway the population density shouldn't matter too much when you are in lockdown.
So I don't really know what we are talking about...
I'm amazed by the ability that some people show in distorting the reality to be able to say that UK went above and beyond. Yes we did, but not in a nice way.
It’s also amazing that some can blatantly distort facts to support their argument. England’s population density is twice that of Italy, even the UK as a whole has a higher figure.
Density will also play a major part in how many people have become infected prior to lockdown.
Sorry, I meant that Lombardy population density is much higher than England and UK.
And Italy and UK are not too far from each other.
The effect of the lockdown also depend on when you introduce it. UK could have introduce it much earlier. Italy started partial lockdown in late February. If the population density in England was so relevant why the government waited 1 month?"You can’t compare a region with an entire country. Try Lombardy with London. Lombardy 420 per sq km, Greater London 4542, 10 times the density! Italy went into lockdown on the 7th March when it’s death toll stood at 233, which was also the first day that the UK recorded the first Corvid -19 death. I can imagine the response had the UK government tried to impose lockdown at that point. | |||
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"Yes statistics prove anything. Just trust the Chinese to be honest rather than Boris I trust them equally. Are you being serious? 100% I don't think the Chinese are hiding anything that Boris wouldn't were he in charge over there. That's a strange analogy and if you trust the Chinese communist party over our government then I think adding anything else to this conversation would just be futile Not strange at all, I think Johnson is in it entirely for the power, just like many politicians the world over, including those in the Chinese communist party. Johnson is a habitual liar, he has lost at least two jobs because of his lying and he would lie more often were he not likely to be found out because of the freedoms we have in this country. Do I think pathological liar Boris Johnson would lie more if he had the apparatus of the Chinese communist party behind him? Absolutely, because that’s what liars do, they lie. So Boris Johnson lied and the Chinese government lied, therefore they must be as bad as each other? What absolute twaddle" Again, you are either deliberately missing the point or you don’t understand it. The Chinese government are liars, the UK government are liars. They will lie to the extent to which they can get away with it, because that’s what liars do. That Johnson lies less than the Chinese premier is not because he is a more honest person but because he knows he has more chance of getting caught in his lies. | |||
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"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.
By now we should be seeing a noticeable downturn in the number of new infections, this is the most important number right now.
I think it obviously points to the fact we didn't have a proper lockdown...
We have a proper lockdown, just not because it isn't as strict as certain other countries doesn't mean that we shouldn't be seeing a significant drop in new cases.
I'm sorry, it wasn't a proper lockdown. My friend lives in Milan, that was a lockdown. We half did it.
And I'm glad we didn't follow Italy and Spain's knee jerk reaction example.
There's no evidence to suggest that it would have been anymore effective and could have actually resulted in more social problems.
So, if we hadn't of had Cheltenham, there would of been no more deaths....complete and utter drivel"Erm... a horse racing event (that made social distancing impossible) and placing the entire population under house arrest are entirely different things. | |||
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"Please correct me if I'm wrong but the UK is made up of 4 countries(England,Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland). If we were to look at the death toll of the 4 combined the it surpasses Italy but if we look at each country's numbers i think Italy and Spain have been hit the most. The US has 50 States which in their own right are as good as countries and is in the same position as the UK You have to take into account the population density The UK (all 4 countries) has the 3rd highest population density in Europe and 14th highest in the world Finally someone with common sense actually Italy is still higher than the UK but England has higher nos due to the population density in the cities as you move away from the cities its less prevelant. US is the same and in countries like China and Taiwan its the most populated areas that are hit hardest, the countries that are showing recovery are large areas where populations are more spread out. It is really not conclusive to compare like for like as all countries are different in terms of geographic and density. Also all countries have said they were not fully prepared for this or had enough resources, there is a worldwide shortage of resources so to constantly blame a goverment if failing I am wondering how you expect them to produce resources that no where else in The world can produce at the rate its required. So taking in all the variables we are comparable to other countries in terms of how many we have been infected and deaths, our counties have been less strick about lock down in other areas as it goes against the grain and is relying on the public to behave responsibly which as we can see those who think they know better are flaunting the guidance and taking more risks..
At the begging of all this I remember UK govern explaining that the high death toll in Italy was due to the fact that Italy is full of old people. Now no one ask why we have more deaths with fewer old people?
Italy, Spain and any other country can be divided conveniently to make the number of deaths look smaller... doesn't really change the result.
Also Italy has an higher population density than England.
Anyway the population density shouldn't matter too much when you are in lockdown.
So I don't really know what we are talking about...
I'm amazed by the ability that some people show in distorting the reality to be able to say that UK went above and beyond. Yes we did, but not in a nice way.
It’s also amazing that some can blatantly distort facts to support their argument. England’s population density is twice that of Italy, even the UK as a whole has a higher figure.
Density will also play a major part in how many people have become infected prior to lockdown.
Sorry, I meant that Lombardy population density is much higher than England and UK.
And Italy and UK are not too far from each other.
The effect of the lockdown also depend on when you introduce it. UK could have introduce it much earlier. Italy started partial lockdown in late February. If the population density in England was so relevant why the government waited 1 month?
You can’t compare a region with an entire country. Try Lombardy with London. Lombardy 420 per sq km, Greater London 4542, 10 times the density!
Italy went into lockdown on the 7th March when it’s death toll stood at 233, which was also the first day that the UK recorded the first Corvid -19 death. I can imagine the response had the UK government tried to impose lockdown at that point."England is 5 times bigger than Lombardy. Lombardy is 15 times bigger than Greater London. You can't compare England and Lombardy but you can compare London and Lombardy? Really? Do you realise that you are just drawing the line where is more convenient to support your point without any logical reason? | |||
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