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As seen in a lot of patients that sepsis has been documented and now Kawasaki disease in previously healthy children.
Sepsis awareness has only been coming to light in recent years and is still continually misdiagnosed or ignored.
If this virus is triggering aggressive immune responses and many of which die in such cases is this another Avenue to check especially for the fight against the virus.
Those who have had sepsis before are extremely vulnerable to it happening again. Are some people more at risk genetically to develop sepsis which can account for why this virus can critically infect families and then others not? Is this virus different based on a person's actual immune response and why some are sicker than others not by the virus attacking but their own body? Is this virus setting off a literal bio bomb inside people, causing self destruction?
Are some people genetically predisposed to sepsis?
I know from my own case sepsis attacked my lungs, heart, kidneys, stomach and God knows what else and left with post sepsis syndrome and since triggered sepsis a second time 3 years ago just 6 months after my first from a bacterial chest infection.
Is this why catching the virus a second time increases the odds of severe sickness and death?
There's no cure or medicated preventions for sepsis other than vaccines, sterile 1st aid and hygiene.
The only treatments is antibiotics if it's cause was bacterial and as and when things arise the treatment that allows the body to fight i.e. temperature control, oxygen and IV fluids etc it's basically riding the storm out. Sepsis hasn't been studied enough to understand exactly why and how to stop the body attacking itself. It's quick and it's lethal when untreated.
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then."
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A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken"
Ok il leave the swingers to moan about which side of the government they want support and how much they think they did a great job or not.
Leave them to moan about people meeting
So yeah let's not have intellectual discussions it's a swingers site let's all talk about fucking instead. |
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Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know. |
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This virus is still really new and, whilst there have been many cases, it's often a difficult time to pick up all of the pieces and to put them together. This may include fairly rare occurences, that may only get noticed, documented and communicated in arrears.
We've seen this week how a dozen or so cases of children with a specific response have been observed and advisory notices issued. That's fairly good going.
Op, expect that we've not learned everything about this in conjunction with sepsis yet. If the disease quietens, it will likely give researchers time to uncover more relevant data and patterns |
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Sepsis caused by pneumonia is a common cause of death. So its it's inevitable Covid-19 will also lead to sepsis particularly in those for who its fatal.
To be honest I only read half the opening post as I wasnt sure the point you were making |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken"
Why be rude? If Swinging is all you want to talk and think about, perhaps avoid the forums apart from Swingers Chat. |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then."
I found your OP interesting. It's too technical for my knowledge but it does sound like an avenue they could be investigating.
As Sophie said, it's still very new and they are learning all the time.
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
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A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken
Why be rude? If Swinging is all you want to talk and think about, perhaps avoid the forums apart from Swingers Chat. "
Rude ?
It wasn't intentional but there is enough false news and speculation with people that causes needless anxiety especially amongst some of our fraternity who have been caged up and are already at their wits end.
My opinion and apologies if I appeared rude. |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken
Why be rude? If Swinging is all you want to talk and think about, perhaps avoid the forums apart from Swingers Chat.
Rude ?
It wasn't intentional but there is enough false news and speculation with people that causes needless anxiety especially amongst some of our fraternity who have been caged up and are already at their wits end.
My opinion and apologies if I appeared rude."
Fair point about anxiety, I apologise if you didn't mean to be rude.
Talking about it helps some people. X
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If you search the scientific journals there is a lot more information regarding covid-19, pneumonia and sepsis links, also about the inflammation of internal organs it can cause in adults and children.
I think the gov have enough to deal with trying to keep us indoors and responsibly social distancing, without releasing fully the details of actually what covid-19 does to your body, we are depressed enough as it is without fearing a covid-19 death as well |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken
Why be rude? If Swinging is all you want to talk and think about, perhaps avoid the forums apart from Swingers Chat.
Rude ?
It wasn't intentional but there is enough false news and speculation with people that causes needless anxiety especially amongst some of our fraternity who have been caged up and are already at their wits end.
My opinion and apologies if I appeared rude.
Fair point about anxiety, I apologise if you didn't mean to be rude.
Talking about it helps some people. X
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No worries
I suppose suffice to say anyone with any underlying health issues is at a much higher risk
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"If you search the scientific journals there is a lot more information regarding covid-19, pneumonia and sepsis links, also about the inflammation of internal organs it can cause in adults and children.
I think the gov have enough to deal with trying to keep us indoors and responsibly social distancing, without releasing fully the details of actually what covid-19 does to your body, we are depressed enough as it is without fearing a covid-19 death as well "
Isn't it fear more than government rules that is keeping most people in.... fear can be a good thing in the right place.. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know. "
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure. |
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"This virus is still really new and, whilst there have been many cases, it's often a difficult time to pick up all of the pieces and to put them together. This may include fairly rare occurences, that may only get noticed, documented and communicated in arrears.
We've seen this week how a dozen or so cases of children with a specific response have been observed and advisory notices issued. That's fairly good going.
Op, expect that we've not learned everything about this in conjunction with sepsis yet. If the disease quietens, it will likely give researchers time to uncover more relevant data and patterns "
The sepsis and Kawasaki disease is coming to light with the information coming together since January. Amassing data now, sadly both conditions have on going issues even if surviving the virus.
Additional data now will be needed on those who've survived whose odds were most bleak. |
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"Sepsis caused by pneumonia is a common cause of death. So its it's inevitable Covid-19 will also lead to sepsis particularly in those for who its fatal.
To be honest I only read half the opening post as I wasnt sure the point you were making"
The point I'm making is people who have had covid 19 who haven't suffered the worst of its effects and comparisons to those who have and as well as the virus survived or died as a result of sepsis also. Understanding the bodies response and why sepsis occurs. When larger portions of the population infected don't have an aggressive reaction to the virus.
Several families have died due to the virus but other infected families have not. Did they have a genetic predisposition to sepsis which is what makes the virus so fatal.
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken
Ok il leave the swingers to moan about which side of the government they want support and how much they think they did a great job or not.
Leave them to moan about people meeting
So yeah let's not have intellectual discussions it's a swingers site let's all talk about fucking instead. " If you were a doctor, and so were I, it would be an intellectual discussion. I'm not, I think you're not, so it wouldn't be.
I get it matters to you, but I genuinely had to take two goes to understand what you're on about, and then felt,'Ok, not a pool I'm qualified to swim in.'
Having a hissy fit doesn't improve your case. |
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"If you search the scientific journals there is a lot more information regarding covid-19, pneumonia and sepsis links, also about the inflammation of internal organs it can cause in adults and children.
I think the gov have enough to deal with trying to keep us indoors and responsibly social distancing, without releasing fully the details of actually what covid-19 does to your body, we are depressed enough as it is without fearing a covid-19 death as well
Isn't it fear more than government rules that is keeping most people in.... fear can be a good thing in the right place.. "
Im not sure it is any more...
Regarding being good thing It can be I agree, but it can also make people behave very irrational and become dangerous as well, tipping them over the edge of an already precarious mind state |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken
Why be rude? If Swinging is all you want to talk and think about, perhaps avoid the forums apart from Swingers Chat.
Rude ?
It wasn't intentional but there is enough false news and speculation with people that causes needless anxiety especially amongst some of our fraternity who have been caged up and are already at their wits end.
My opinion and apologies if I appeared rude."
Also doesn't occur to you I'm one of these caged and mentally vulnerable people who needs an outlet for thoughts and ideas in order to remain at least slightly sane and have something substantial to talk about than just sex.
I'm sure highly sexualized people like myself also like to have intelligent conversations too. My brains aren't in my vagina.
I'd rather be distracted by knowledge, understanding and sharing ideas than talking about sex which I cannot have and cannot physically see people in order to have some form of social interaction.
It's not like the chatrooms are any good avoiding sexual talk and every conversation here always leads to people talking about sex because most people just want to masturbate at the thought of meeting, dreamers and fantasizers. No matter where online I go if your a female online you're treated exactly the same way here as anywhere else.
The forum has many discussions and it's not all about sex.
All I want to do is stay as sane as I can do. But it always seems as I'm unwelcome on here anyway. Other people get to have intelligent discussions and even the most ridiculous discussions but seems it's wrong of me to try and have a discussion on significant matters.
I get called talking out of my arse yet a week later the same people quoting me! As if the information and knowledge came from them. I'm treated with disdain but what exactly gives people the reason or need to do this?
It's a public forum but you felt compelled to tell me it's the wrong place for the discussion.
I'd also say whats wrong in me trying to find like minded individuals, people I can have these kinds of discussions with and even possibly lead to something else in the future. |
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"No one has any thoughts or insight then.
I've s thought
A swinger site probably isn't the best place for medical research leave it to the experts we've enough to be worrying about IMHO
Maybe I'm mistaken
Ok il leave the swingers to moan about which side of the government they want support and how much they think they did a great job or not.
Leave them to moan about people meeting
So yeah let's not have intellectual discussions it's a swingers site let's all talk about fucking instead. If you were a doctor, and so were I, it would be an intellectual discussion. I'm not, I think you're not, so it wouldn't be.
I get it matters to you, but I genuinely had to take two goes to understand what you're on about, and then felt,'Ok, not a pool I'm qualified to swim in.'
Having a hissy fit doesn't improve your case."
That's ok you can go comment on other forum threads in which you feel like discussing. It's a forum with many topics and many threads of discussions. You feel it's necessary that I shouldn't get to discuss my thread? That I have to adhere to everyone else's agenda? |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure."
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student. |
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"Sepsis caused by pneumonia is a common cause of death. So its it's inevitable Covid-19 will also lead to sepsis particularly in those for who its fatal.
To be honest I only read half the opening post as I wasnt sure the point you were making
The point I'm making is people who have had covid 19 who haven't suffered the worst of its effects and comparisons to those who have and as well as the virus survived or died as a result of sepsis also. Understanding the bodies response and why sepsis occurs. When larger portions of the population infected don't have an aggressive reaction to the virus.
Several families have died due to the virus but other infected families have not. Did they have a genetic predisposition to sepsis which is what makes the virus so fatal.
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Sepsis is multi organ failure not just lungs. Pneumonia is the immune (over) response; sepsis is the immune over response.
I think more research should be done into immunology which also includes autoimmune disease where the body turns in on itself and sees it's own cells as foreign and tries to destroy them. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student. "
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student.
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects."
All hospitals have to follow the sepsis trust guidelines. The sepsis manual, 5th edition, 2019. |
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"Sepsis caused by pneumonia is a common cause of death. So its it's inevitable Covid-19 will also lead to sepsis particularly in those for who its fatal.
To be honest I only read half the opening post as I wasnt sure the point you were making
The point I'm making is people who have had covid 19 who haven't suffered the worst of its effects and comparisons to those who have and as well as the virus survived or died as a result of sepsis also. Understanding the bodies response and why sepsis occurs. When larger portions of the population infected don't have an aggressive reaction to the virus.
Several families have died due to the virus but other infected families have not. Did they have a genetic predisposition to sepsis which is what makes the virus so fatal.
Sepsis is multi organ failure not just lungs. Pneumonia is the immune (over) response; sepsis is the immune over response.
I think more research should be done into immunology which also includes autoimmune disease where the body turns in on itself and sees it's own cells as foreign and tries to destroy them. "
There is a very good article regarding this on the GLP website from 2016 from what the research team at Edinburgh University found out. |
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"Sepsis caused by pneumonia is a common cause of death. So its it's inevitable Covid-19 will also lead to sepsis particularly in those for who its fatal.
To be honest I only read half the opening post as I wasnt sure the point you were making
The point I'm making is people who have had covid 19 who haven't suffered the worst of its effects and comparisons to those who have and as well as the virus survived or died as a result of sepsis also. Understanding the bodies response and why sepsis occurs. When larger portions of the population infected don't have an aggressive reaction to the virus.
Several families have died due to the virus but other infected families have not. Did they have a genetic predisposition to sepsis which is what makes the virus so fatal.
Sepsis is multi organ failure not just lungs. Pneumonia is the immune (over) response; sepsis is the immune over response.
I think more research should be done into immunology which also includes autoimmune disease where the body turns in on itself and sees it's own cells as foreign and tries to destroy them. "
I agree more research is needed. The majority of the patients documented who were in critical condition had been diagnosed with sepsis.
It would be better understanding if people who have had the virus and no severe symptoms and those who had severe symptoms and diagnosed with sepsis could add their experience.
People who have had mild symptoms of sepsis, the physical fatigue and such, is this the virus triggering the body into damaging itself or is the body predisposed to do this.
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student.
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects."
But don't worry the pathway and sepsis markers have been around for a few years now, these initiate treatment in a very quick turnaround. |
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"Sepsis caused by pneumonia is a common cause of death. So its it's inevitable Covid-19 will also lead to sepsis particularly in those for who its fatal.
To be honest I only read half the opening post as I wasnt sure the point you were making
The point I'm making is people who have had covid 19 who haven't suffered the worst of its effects and comparisons to those who have and as well as the virus survived or died as a result of sepsis also. Understanding the bodies response and why sepsis occurs. When larger portions of the population infected don't have an aggressive reaction to the virus.
Several families have died due to the virus but other infected families have not. Did they have a genetic predisposition to sepsis which is what makes the virus so fatal.
Sepsis is multi organ failure not just lungs. Pneumonia is the immune (over) response; sepsis is the immune over response.
I think more research should be done into immunology which also includes autoimmune disease where the body turns in on itself and sees it's own cells as foreign and tries to destroy them.
There is a very good article regarding this on the GLP website from 2016 from what the research team at Edinburgh University found out."
They've written articles since and even said it's back to basics in trying to understand it and if there's genetic predisposition.
They are collecting DNA samples of Scottish residents who had been diagnosed with sepsis. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student.
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects.
But don't worry the pathway and sepsis markers have been around for a few years now, these initiate treatment in a very quick turnaround. "
I'm not going to quote news articles just from the past 12 months alone from misdiagnosis and failure to provide sufficient health care when it's been evident.
I was told the septicemia I had was detergent rash by nurse on the main desk and to go home. If it wasn't for me refusing to go home I'd have been dead because the ambulance wouldn't have made it in time. As I said hour after arriving in hospital I was in resus on several types of antibiotics and they hoped for the best since I'd already picked up 2 viral infections before that which exasperated the bacterial infection which I caught after the viral ones.
Failure to follow the sepsis pathway guidelines means many have died in the last 12 months alone. Of which were babies and children who were told to go home, woman stuck in an ambulance outside the hospital for over 3 hours and the paramedics weren't allowed to administer the antibiotics. But guidelines state that a paramedic should administer it as soon as possible if a patient cannot get into hospital within the hour.
A baby just January in the news sent home twice and died shortly after being taken by ambulance to hospital.
Every hospital does not follow the guidelines. So there is now assurances there regarding protocols. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student.
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects.
But don't worry the pathway and sepsis markers have been around for a few years now, these initiate treatment in a very quick turnaround.
I'm not going to quote news articles just from the past 12 months alone from misdiagnosis and failure to provide sufficient health care when it's been evident.
I was told the septicemia I had was detergent rash by nurse on the main desk and to go home. If it wasn't for me refusing to go home I'd have been dead because the ambulance wouldn't have made it in time. As I said hour after arriving in hospital I was in resus on several types of antibiotics and they hoped for the best since I'd already picked up 2 viral infections before that which exasperated the bacterial infection which I caught after the viral ones.
Failure to follow the sepsis pathway guidelines means many have died in the last 12 months alone. Of which were babies and children who were told to go home, woman stuck in an ambulance outside the hospital for over 3 hours and the paramedics weren't allowed to administer the antibiotics. But guidelines state that a paramedic should administer it as soon as possible if a patient cannot get into hospital within the hour.
A baby just January in the news sent home twice and died shortly after being taken by ambulance to hospital.
Every hospital does not follow the guidelines. So there is now assurances there regarding protocols."
I know what it's like when hospital staff ignore guidelines. It's disgusting and can be tragic. I would advocate making a complaint. |
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OP. You raise a very interesting point and it's to do with the immune system.
I'm no medic but have a few family members in the front line and there's mixed ideas over a vaccine as opposed to a drug that boosts the immune system. There's a few decommissioned ones (is no patent) and there's a research paper just been published demonstrating that a particular drug would help in many ways. Will be interesting if it gets a genuine hearing above the pharmaceuticals plugging another vaccine. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student.
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects.
But don't worry the pathway and sepsis markers have been around for a few years now, these initiate treatment in a very quick turnaround.
I'm not going to quote news articles just from the past 12 months alone from misdiagnosis and failure to provide sufficient health care when it's been evident.
I was told the septicemia I had was detergent rash by nurse on the main desk and to go home. If it wasn't for me refusing to go home I'd have been dead because the ambulance wouldn't have made it in time. As I said hour after arriving in hospital I was in resus on several types of antibiotics and they hoped for the best since I'd already picked up 2 viral infections before that which exasperated the bacterial infection which I caught after the viral ones.
Failure to follow the sepsis pathway guidelines means many have died in the last 12 months alone. Of which were babies and children who were told to go home, woman stuck in an ambulance outside the hospital for over 3 hours and the paramedics weren't allowed to administer the antibiotics. But guidelines state that a paramedic should administer it as soon as possible if a patient cannot get into hospital within the hour.
A baby just January in the news sent home twice and died shortly after being taken by ambulance to hospital.
Every hospital does not follow the guidelines. So there is now assurances there regarding protocols.
I know what it's like when hospital staff ignore guidelines. It's disgusting and can be tragic. I would advocate making a complaint. "
Sadly even legal action doesn't correct the system. Even getting complaints taken seriously is difficult to deal with. The failures I've had to deal with alone in regards to service and errors have never been dealt with.
They make you wait so long you pass the 10 years to make the claim. Unless a person has the income to support the complaints procedure and hiring legal representation to push the claim nothing gets done.
There weve separated from the topic.
There's probably going to be no vaccine in the next few years at the very least. So it falls to dealing with the events of the infection relating to the bodies response to it, if they can successfully prevent the body from going through sepsis could the virus have a lower mortality rate. Up to 60% of people who were severely affected by sepsis die. 1 in 5 people died from sepsis prior to covid 19. These numbers will have changed due to the accumulation of data now with covid 19.
Sepsis is seen as the common severe effect associated with covid 19
To question would those who have had sepsis before would they now be in the highest risk groups since data that's unfolding show that majority of patients needing critical care had sepsis? |
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32,000 people die of sepsis every year a tradgedy that will not change.I have a niece who has had scepsis twice,her life is ruined by it if she gets this then no hope.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you are coping better than she is,be strong
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"OP. You raise a very interesting point and it's to do with the immune system.
I'm no medic but have a few family members in the front line and there's mixed ideas over a vaccine as opposed to a drug that boosts the immune system. There's a few decommissioned ones (is no patent) and there's a research paper just been published demonstrating that a particular drug would help in many ways. Will be interesting if it gets a genuine hearing above the pharmaceuticals plugging another vaccine."
Drugs lose patent over time. Which is how other companies can produce generic drugs. The pharmaceutical companies retain patent by changing a drug minutely to be a "new" drug regardless of whether the change bares any medical significance.
I hope that there will be further research into prevention via other means than relying on a vaccine in which for the coronavirus family has been impossible to create over the last few decades.
If the body can be influenced or changed in how it attacks and defends from the virus rather than resorting to self destruction in efforts to rid the virus then that would be more important than focusing on a vaccine that may never come. |
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"32,000 people die of sepsis every year a tradgedy that will not change.I have a niece who has had scepsis twice,her life is ruined by it if she gets this then no hope.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you are coping better than she is,be strong
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It's a tragedy that could be prevented in its numbers if they discover people are genetically predisposed to sepsis. They will be able to monitor those who have the predisposition and strike sooner with therapy. |
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"32,000 people die of sepsis every year a tradgedy that will not change.I have a niece who has had scepsis twice,her life is ruined by it if she gets this then no hope.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you are coping better than she is,be strong
x"
I hope your niece doesn't have to relive sepsis again. The body never fully heals nor does the mind over the trauma of it.
I wish her well and also you and your family. It's been 3.5 years and I still suffer even though it has lessened over time some things never change. PSS is often overlooked after what amounts to recovering.
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"32,000 people die of sepsis every year a tradgedy that will not change.I have a niece who has had scepsis twice,her life is ruined by it if she gets this then no hope.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you are coping better than she is,be strong
x
I hope your niece doesn't have to relive sepsis again. The body never fully heals nor does the mind over the trauma of it.
I wish her well and also you and your family. It's been 3.5 years and I still suffer even though it has lessened over time some things never change. PSS is often overlooked after what amounts to recovering.
" Thankou it is a pity there is not a forum for you all to converse and give each other strength,she seems to get no phycological help.
I do not mean on fab of course lol
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Genetics and diet. The stuff you put into your body could be altering your genetic structure, also offspring. Wether it be food n drink or medication.
Thaledomide a good example.
Trouble is we only see the results way down the line.
Probably gentically modified food maybe playing a part in different peoples immune reaction to the virus.
Babies even at this relative early stage are being diagnosed with the virus.
Bet China will be looking at newborn babies very closely.
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"32,000 people die of sepsis every year a tradgedy that will not change.I have a niece who has had scepsis twice,her life is ruined by it if she gets this then no hope.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you are coping better than she is,be strong
x
I hope your niece doesn't have to relive sepsis again. The body never fully heals nor does the mind over the trauma of it.
I wish her well and also you and your family. It's been 3.5 years and I still suffer even though it has lessened over time some things never change. PSS is often overlooked after what amounts to recovering.
Thankou it is a pity there is not a forum for you all to converse and give each other strength,she seems to get no phycological help.
I do not mean on fab of course lol
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There are support pages and groups for sepsis and pss.
Community of families who have been affected by it and individuals who have survived it.
But as with all groups like it the focus is just that.
I can't express being myself completely without judgement there, imagine the responses I'd get for explaining my life style and risks avoiding catching anything from a cold to and std. What's normal for most isn't a life enjoying multiple sexual partners
It's hard for anyone who doesn't fit in just 1 box. It's hard when gps don't take it seriously either about pss or PTSD from it. Ahs mental health don't think it's serious enough to help and expect people to use places like mind. All depends on the area a person lives for the quality of support or any support |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure."
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects."
Swept under the rug would referring to diagnosis on paper. What is written on your notes when you were finally diagnosed? Does it clearly state sepsis or have they put a different diagnosis on paper but told you in person you had sepsis?
My post is about the correlation of sepsis and predisposition to sepsis and whether the virus is triggering the bodies response in people predisposed to sepsis. Questioning whether this predisposition can account for the severity of the virus in some and less effects in others. Questioning why some families suffer the worst effects and other families do not.
People with compromised immune systems due to cancer treatment have survived and with mild symptoms of the virus but perfectly healthy people being critical and suffering sepsis.
If the predisposition to sepsis is what attributes to the deaths relating to the virus, would identifying those at risk to sepsis be helpful in dealing with it without a vaccine. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects.
Swept under the rug would referring to diagnosis on paper. What is written on your notes when you were finally diagnosed? Does it clearly state sepsis or have they put a different diagnosis on paper but told you in person you had sepsis?
My post is about the correlation of sepsis and predisposition to sepsis and whether the virus is triggering the bodies response in people predisposed to sepsis. Questioning whether this predisposition can account for the severity of the virus in some and less effects in others. Questioning why some families suffer the worst effects and other families do not.
People with compromised immune systems due to cancer treatment have survived and with mild symptoms of the virus but perfectly healthy people being critical and suffering sepsis.
If the predisposition to sepsis is what attributes to the deaths relating to the virus, would identifying those at risk to sepsis be helpful in dealing with it without a vaccine."
Ok, makes a bit more sense now.
My medical history from the injuries and resulting complications (sepsis) were fully detailed in my notes as it was used as evidence in court.
I can understand why you are talking/asking the questions that you are, but realistically it’s too early to understand the virus... as with many conditions, it affects people differently. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I was hospitalised with a systemic infection and was put on the sepsis pathway, even went into peripheral shutdown, but I wasn't diagnosed with sepsis cos the treatment worked and my organs didn't start to shut down.
When I got home I read the up-to-date guidelines, which was different to what I'd learned as a student.
I presume it differs hospital to hospital. I had sepsis end of October 2016 septicemia is what got me to go to hospital and hour later in resus. Then icu ward then few days later respiratory ward. All the while nurses and doctors telling me it's sepsis and on paper very different, the symptoms marginalized on record. In-depth notes detail it but compact notes do not.
Sadly if details are overlooked regarding covid 19 and sepsis in the same way then how can we globally combat the effects.
But don't worry the pathway and sepsis markers have been around for a few years now, these initiate treatment in a very quick turnaround.
I'm not going to quote news articles just from the past 12 months alone from misdiagnosis and failure to provide sufficient health care when it's been evident.
I was told the septicemia I had was detergent rash by nurse on the main desk and to go home. If it wasn't for me refusing to go home I'd have been dead because the ambulance wouldn't have made it in time. As I said hour after arriving in hospital I was in resus on several types of antibiotics and they hoped for the best since I'd already picked up 2 viral infections before that which exasperated the bacterial infection which I caught after the viral ones.
Failure to follow the sepsis pathway guidelines means many have died in the last 12 months alone. Of which were babies and children who were told to go home, woman stuck in an ambulance outside the hospital for over 3 hours and the paramedics weren't allowed to administer the antibiotics. But guidelines state that a paramedic should administer it as soon as possible if a patient cannot get into hospital within the hour.
A baby just January in the news sent home twice and died shortly after being taken by ambulance to hospital.
Every hospital does not follow the guidelines. So there is now assurances there regarding protocols.
I know what it's like when hospital staff ignore guidelines. It's disgusting and can be tragic. I would advocate making a complaint.
Sadly even legal action doesn't correct the system. Even getting complaints taken seriously is difficult to deal with. The failures I've had to deal with alone in regards to service and errors have never been dealt with.
They make you wait so long you pass the 10 years to make the claim. Unless a person has the income to support the complaints procedure and hiring legal representation to push the claim nothing gets done.
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It's three years now, and a year to make a hospital complaint. Did you ever go through the parliamentary and health service ombudsman? I'm at that stage. |
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There's probably going to be no vaccine in the next few years at the very least. So it falls to dealing with the events of the infection relating to the bodies response to it, if they can successfully prevent the body from going through sepsis could the virus have a lower mortality rate. Up to 60% of people who were severely affected by sepsis die. 1 in 5 people died from sepsis prior to covid 19. These numbers will have changed due to the accumulation of data now with covid 19.
Sepsis is seen as the common severe effect associated with covid 19
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects."
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects.
Swept under the rug would referring to diagnosis on paper. What is written on your notes when you were finally diagnosed? Does it clearly state sepsis or have they put a different diagnosis on paper but told you in person you had sepsis?
My post is about the correlation of sepsis and predisposition to sepsis and whether the virus is triggering the bodies response in people predisposed to sepsis. Questioning whether this predisposition can account for the severity of the virus in some and less effects in others. Questioning why some families suffer the worst effects and other families do not.
People with compromised immune systems due to cancer treatment have survived and with mild symptoms of the virus but perfectly healthy people being critical and suffering sepsis.
If the predisposition to sepsis is what attributes to the deaths relating to the virus, would identifying those at risk to sepsis be helpful in dealing with it without a vaccine."
If a person has sepsis markers then that overrides what the cause is, and (if recognised) treatment is initiated. Blood tests confirm the presence of an infection (and if taken at the right time will determine the severity), test for the C reactive protein measures inflammatory response and severity. Observations (temp, blood pressure, respiration, pulse) at certain levels are indicators. |
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Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects.
Swept under the rug would referring to diagnosis on paper. What is written on your notes when you were finally diagnosed? Does it clearly state sepsis or have they put a different diagnosis on paper but told you in person you had sepsis?
My post is about the correlation of sepsis and predisposition to sepsis and whether the virus is triggering the bodies response in people predisposed to sepsis. Questioning whether this predisposition can account for the severity of the virus in some and less effects in others. Questioning why some families suffer the worst effects and other families do not.
People with compromised immune systems due to cancer treatment have survived and with mild symptoms of the virus but perfectly healthy people being critical and suffering sepsis.
If the predisposition to sepsis is what attributes to the deaths relating to the virus, would identifying those at risk to sepsis be helpful in dealing with it without a vaccine.
Ok, makes a bit more sense now.
My medical history from the injuries and resulting complications (sepsis) were fully detailed in my notes as it was used as evidence in court.
I can understand why you are talking/asking the questions that you are, but realistically it’s too early to understand the virus... as with many conditions, it affects people differently."
Too early? Well information published in February suspected covid 19 causing sepsis range of patients with liver, heart, kidney failures and damage.
March further evidence supporting the virus causing sepsis which leads to critical and severe symptoms. Information from China, Spain, Italy and Canada. Italy have dedicated sepsis research facility for which I presume due to Italy having high cases of sepsis before covid 19 with most cases in northern Italy. Which suggests it supports theory that covid 19 is more dangerous to those with a predisposition to sepsis.
Earlier this month further data confirming it from New York. Which suggests it's not racially predisposed as most evidence before March was from China which gave rise to the notion that Chinese genetics were more at risk to sepsis from the virus than surrounding countries.
Just this past week information detailing sepsis and Kawasaki disease being caused by covid 19.
How many people globally are predisposed to sepsis if this is the main reason for the severity of the virus? Would knowing that a person is genetically likely to die or suffer life time effects after catching covid 19 be beneficial allowing those who aren't susceptible more freedom to work and return to some sort of normalcy and then health care being aware to monitor those who are susceptible which would include the over 250000 people in the uk every year diagnosed with sepsis 44000 people die. Which numbers in 2015 suggested 123000 people but more are being properly diagnosed and treated now.
So knowing potentially this virus could infect one of those 250000 in the uk per year severely if shielding and providing extra support with health and protection and testing genetic predisposition for family members, could those covid 19 severe to critical cases drop and be no worse than a really bad cold for everyone else who isn't predisposed to sepsis.
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There's probably going to be no vaccine in the next few years at the very least. So it falls to dealing with the events of the infection relating to the bodies response to it, if they can successfully prevent the body from going through sepsis could the virus have a lower mortality rate. Up to 60% of people who were severely affected by sepsis die. 1 in 5 people died from sepsis prior to covid 19. These numbers will have changed due to the accumulation of data now with covid 19.
Sepsis is seen as the common severe effect associated with covid 19
Source please. "
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Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects.
Swept under the rug would referring to diagnosis on paper. What is written on your notes when you were finally diagnosed? Does it clearly state sepsis or have they put a different diagnosis on paper but told you in person you had sepsis?
My post is about the correlation of sepsis and predisposition to sepsis and whether the virus is triggering the bodies response in people predisposed to sepsis. Questioning whether this predisposition can account for the severity of the virus in some and less effects in others. Questioning why some families suffer the worst effects and other families do not.
People with compromised immune systems due to cancer treatment have survived and with mild symptoms of the virus but perfectly healthy people being critical and suffering sepsis.
If the predisposition to sepsis is what attributes to the deaths relating to the virus, would identifying those at risk to sepsis be helpful in dealing with it without a vaccine.
If a person has sepsis markers then that overrides what the cause is, and (if recognised) treatment is initiated. Blood tests confirm the presence of an infection (and if taken at the right time will determine the severity), test for the C reactive protein measures inflammatory response and severity. Observations (temp, blood pressure, respiration, pulse) at certain levels are indicators. "
They don't test for biomarkers for sepsis before treatment. These are only discovered from the lab results from bloods drawn before treatment has started. They don't have time to wait for the test results. So only know specifically after treatment what levels the biomarkers are at and the response to the invading pathogen or tissue death as cause. |
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"Diagnosis of sepsis has changed over the years, causing confusion amongst healthcare staff. Sepsis used to be diagnosed by having certain criteria - these sepsis markers still are relevant (to initiate treatment and put the patient on the sepsis pathway). There were three stages of (diagnosed) sepsis now it's diagnosed by organs beginning to shut down. Whether this is political to give the effect of a reduction in sepsis, I don't know.
Sepsis has been swept under the rug for many years still is. My diagnosis of sepsis on paper is respiratory distress. But all the health care discussions while in hospital referred to it as sepsis. The letter I left with informing my gp referred to it as sepsis and reccomended referrals for ongoing monitoring in various departments. The hospital couldn't refer me the gp had to.
I'd assume if I died death certificate would have said respiratory distress only brought on by infection. On paper sepsis is rarely commented instead it's either the infection as cause or an alternative description for organ failure.
I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make with your opening post to be honest.
Also this post- I’m not sure sepsis has been ‘swept under the rug’ I think it is more a case of misdiagnosis and lack of awareness until recent years.
I developed sepsis which was missed by OOH drs and in the end nearly finished me off. This was not because it was ‘brushed under the rug’ but because of a lack of awareness.
As for how it’s related to Covid- there are still so many things that are unknown about the virus and it’s effects.
Swept under the rug would referring to diagnosis on paper. What is written on your notes when you were finally diagnosed? Does it clearly state sepsis or have they put a different diagnosis on paper but told you in person you had sepsis?
My post is about the correlation of sepsis and predisposition to sepsis and whether the virus is triggering the bodies response in people predisposed to sepsis. Questioning whether this predisposition can account for the severity of the virus in some and less effects in others. Questioning why some families suffer the worst effects and other families do not.
People with compromised immune systems due to cancer treatment have survived and with mild symptoms of the virus but perfectly healthy people being critical and suffering sepsis.
If the predisposition to sepsis is what attributes to the deaths relating to the virus, would identifying those at risk to sepsis be helpful in dealing with it without a vaccine.
If a person has sepsis markers then that overrides what the cause is, and (if recognised) treatment is initiated. Blood tests confirm the presence of an infection (and if taken at the right time will determine the severity), test for the C reactive protein measures inflammatory response and severity. Observations (temp, blood pressure, respiration, pulse) at certain levels are indicators.
They don't test for biomarkers for sepsis before treatment. These are only discovered from the lab results from bloods drawn before treatment has started. They don't have time to wait for the test results. So only know specifically after treatment what levels the biomarkers are at and the response to the invading pathogen or tissue death as cause. "
When I stated markers, I meant the criteria, was known as sepsis 6. |
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