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After reading another thread comparing our death toll to other countries no one seems to be alarmed at the survival rate. The USA has 54000 deaths to 118000 recovered.
The UK has just passed 20000 deaths and ONLY 371 survived.
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
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Are you sure of you're figures!, 371
To be honest I'm not sure why we and particularly the media are constantly comparing us with other countries when population and land mass are all very different. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"After reading another thread comparing our death toll to other countries no one seems to be alarmed at the survival rate. The USA has 54000 deaths to 118000 recovered.
The UK has just passed 20000 deaths and ONLY 371 survived.
Some seems very wrong here "
I think the figures are wrong, looks to me like the recovery figures haven't been updated since the start. |
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"Yeah, your figures"
The figures are from the covid 19 visualizer, the Google earth type service.
I'm just voicing a concern I've had since the figures are so low, it's not even picked up in the media. |
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By *otsMan
over a year ago
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Your figures are wrong it was running at about 12% mortality. Haven't checked percentages recently.
Fatalities will hit around 50k by the end of summer. There is no fix for this at the moment, it's a virus and exposure to it albeit the government Hope's at a steady controlled rate so hospitals can cope. The easier they can cope the greater chance of survivability people have.there no guarantees of infection built immunity either! At the moment its play it by earthy do you think they are so cautious and lock down is the key however, deaths v commerce is too.
This is going to be around a long time yet weeks is not the true measure, it will be months and probably 12-18 of them with some form of restrictions quicker people get this into their heads the higher chance more of us will survive along with the countries economy.  |
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By *otsMan
over a year ago
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"Your figures are wrong it was running at about 12% mortality. I Haven't checked percentages recently.
Fatalities will hit around 50k by the end of summer OR even more. There is no fix for this at the moment. It's a virus and exposure to it albeit the government Hope's at a steady controlled rate, so hospitals can cope. The easier they can cope the greater chance of survivability people have. There no guarantees of infection built immunity either! At the moment its play it by ear, why do you think they are so cautious. Lock down is the key however, deaths v commerce is too.
This is going to be around a long time, weeks is not the true measure, it will be months and probably 12-18 of them, with some form of restrictions. The quicker people get this into their heads the higher chance more of us will survive along with the countries economy. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"After reading another thread comparing our death toll to other countries no one seems to be alarmed at the survival rate. The USA has 54000 deaths to 118000 recovered.
The UK has just passed 20000 deaths and ONLY 371 survived.
Some seems very wrong here "
The figures above are wrong i'm afraid.
So far, the UK has had 148,377 confirmed CV19 cases and 20,319 confirmed CV19 deaths. That is a mortality rate of 13.69% and a recovery rate of 86.31%.
These figures do not include care home deaths from CV19 or household CV19 deaths.
The USA has had 956,000 confirmed CV19 cases and 53,928 confirmed CV19 deaths, which is a mortality rate of 5.57% and a recovery rate of 94.43%
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm relived to be wrong, the media just report the deaths, you don't hear the actual figures for recovered. Might lift a few people's outlooks if they did. "
I totally agree with you, but people recovering won't make the headlines as much as people who don't unfortunately. |
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Tests have shown the actual mortality rate at between 0.2% and 0.8%. The number of people who have actually caught the virus is between 40 and 80 times higher than reported in the daily infection counts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tests have shown the actual mortality rate at between 0.2% and 0.8%. The number of people who have actually caught the virus is between 40 and 80 times higher than reported in the daily infection counts."
The only figures that can safely be counted as accurate are hospital figures for confirmed cases and confirmed deaths. Hospital figures are the international standard way of collecting accurate data as per WHO guidelines. Until we have wider public testing any other figures are a guess at best. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Seeing as we are getting several thousand a day infected and some hundreds dying, it means thousands are recovering"
I'd ignore infection rates data cos we were late to the table. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Our mortality rates are mikes out. Until very recently only those taken to hospital with very serious symptoms were being tested. Basically those for whom it was touch and go....so a larger proportion will, sadly, not make it through. We also know that many others could have been infected asymptomatically.
Always remember the quote.
"There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damn lies and statistics".
Unless you are a statistician be very wary of comparisons. |
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"After reading another thread comparing our death toll to other countries no one seems to be alarmed at the survival rate. The USA has 54000 deaths to 118000 recovered.
The UK has just passed 20000 deaths and ONLY 371 survived.
Some seems very wrong here "
The UK is not currently recording/reporting recovered cases. The only reason that infections are recorded is because it's a Notifiable Disease |
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Because of the different approaches to testing in different countries, the only statistic that can really be compared is the number of deaths in hospital.
In the UK they are currently only testing hospital admissions and frontline/key workers with symptoms, so we actually have no idea how many covid19 cases there are/have been. That also means it's impossible to tell how many recoveries there are |
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"After reading another thread comparing our death toll to other countries no one seems to be alarmed at the survival rate. The USA has 54000 deaths to 118000 recovered.
The UK has just passed 20000 deaths and ONLY 371 survived.
Some seems very wrong here "
Make a big noise about recovery is also counterproductive, they need people to be worried about dying rather than confident that THEY will be fine. |
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"After reading another thread comparing our death toll to other countries no one seems to be alarmed at the survival rate. The USA has 54000 deaths to 118000 recovered.
The UK has just passed 20000 deaths and ONLY 371 survived.
Some seems very wrong here
The figures above are wrong i'm afraid.
So far, the UK has had 148,377 confirmed CV19 cases and 20,319 confirmed CV19 deaths. That is a mortality rate of 13.69% and a recovery rate of 86.31%.
These figures do not include care home deaths from CV19 or household CV19 deaths.
The USA has had 956,000 confirmed CV19 cases and 53,928 confirmed CV19 deaths, which is a mortality rate of 5.57% and a recovery rate of 94.43%
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Unfortunately you’re assuming total cases less deaths are all recovered but they’re not - many will still be ‘active’ so no outcome of recovered or death. I’m not sure recovered is actively being reported so it’s hard to tell the true death rate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think it's too late to accurately report recovered rates, it should have been done from day one.... We'll only know a true recovered number if or when a test is available to test who's HAD it... Many people have had it but not needed medical help or intervention so it's not been reported at all.
I'm not usually someone who goes down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but I don't think we'll get an immunity test before a vaccine, because that test may just prove that covid was spreading long before it was reported publicly. How many of us got similar symptoms last year around November/December and passed it off as seasonal flu?
My entire family was very sick in December, I told the GP I had flu, and he was actually very defensive at the suggestion, lectured me about there being absolutely no confirmed flu cases in the UK yet. I've had swine flu in 09, so I know the difference between flu and seasonal colds, I know what I had was a flu strain, and I told him to test me and my son and he refused to (if you not testing people for flu, then obviously there won't be any confirmed cases) .... We improved a few days later, but then decline again with our symptoms and it took Just over 3 weeks for all of us to recover from it, more so my son, who's severely asthmatic, he lost alot of weight and was coughing so much he was being sick and needed his asthma meds more than usual..... When I called the GP back to say we'd declined again, they told us not to come into the surgery, and Just stay home and recover unless we can't cope at home..... Sound familiar? And this was the first week of December..... At the time I thought nothing of it.... But now his defensiveness over me suggesting it was flu definitely raises a little suspicion over when covid actually started in the UK, and how many have had it and recovered and don't even know it.... So we'll never really have a true number without a test that can say who has HAD it, as apposed to who currently has it.
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I don't pay any attention to the percentage rates quoted because anyone that got ill since March with flu type symptoms were never tested.
Most of the households I know personally have all had covid19 symptoms and all did the isolation but as No one went to hospital no one knows.
Based on just the high peaking temperature and dry cough symptons, 95% of everyone I know has had and has recovered from covid19.
Publishing that sort of story on main stream media would see the lockdown collapse and that would be socially irresponsible.
Without testing you can't get any trusted figures. |
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"I'm relived to be wrong, the media just report the deaths, you don't hear the actual figures for recovered. Might lift a few people's outlooks if they did.
I totally agree with you, but people recovering won't make the headlines as much as people who don't unfortunately. "
Spot on. They are quick to report the high deaths as headline news when they are in 800+ but as soon as it drops to 300 its 3rd or 4th down the news stories. Its so negative and i hate the way the media report this virus. Constantly asking when lockdown will end, giving false hope to people ect ect. |
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"I'm relived to be wrong, the media just report the deaths, you don't hear the actual figures for recovered. Might lift a few people's outlooks if they did.
I totally agree with you, but people recovering won't make the headlines as much as people who don't unfortunately.
Spot on. They are quick to report the high deaths as headline news when they are in 800+ but as soon as it drops to 300 its 3rd or 4th down the news stories. Its so negative and i hate the way the media report this virus. Constantly asking when lockdown will end, giving false hope to people ect ect. "
1st item on the news today along with the return our saviour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The recovery rates for “real” recoveries will be pretty high but never known
Anyone who caught it but wasn’t sick enough to be tested, recovered at home and wasn’t tracked
For that reason even hospital recovery rates aren’t reliable as thats only a sub section of the sickest people with the virus
I do think those numbers should have been published though because anything i found on them online suggested they were very low , it might have made people realise if you get sick enough to end up in hospital with this, chances are you are dying, so sit up and pay attention ... however i think exactly that fear factor is why hospital discharges have not been shown along side hospital admissions
The difference between us and america is likely the spin thats wanted on the message, america are presumably estimating all the people recovering at home to down play and set themselves up for opening back up, the uk are sending the message that we are not out of the woods yet so lets not let recovery rates make it sound like its ok to head back outside |
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