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"No. The deaths reported today, are not from the last 24 hours, a lot of them may have happened weeks ago. Cant even use the number of new cases as a guideline, the more people tested, the more positives will be found. At the minute I am taking more note of the number of people in hospital with it. These numbers are going down. Let's see what happens over the next 2 weeks. I do think however people blatantly ignoring the current rules need punishing harder." Yes that makes sense, the hospital admissions is what should be reported as thats the biggest indicator. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" What you say makes perfect sense. If the virus has a quarantine period of 2 weeks, and we have been lockdown for 5 weeks and yet we are still getting over 4000 new cases per day. How do 4000 people get infected during lockdown? Today's figure of 813 is still really high by world standards. There are countries where their lockdown rules are being relaxed.... and those "relaxed" rules are still more strict than ours are now... | |||
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"If the virus has a quarantine period of 2 weeks, and we have been lockdown for 5 weeks and yet we are still getting over 4000 new cases per day. How do 4000 people get infected during lockdown? " Simple answer..is.. people are still moving about..key workers..people going shopping etc..care providers.. If I under stand it right..it's upto 14days.. contagious..pre symptoms..so there's is weeks and weeks chain reaction..I get it..I give it to someone on day 12..they repeat this ..and the next person is at day 36..etc | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? What you say makes perfect sense. If the virus has a quarantine period of 2 weeks, and we have been lockdown for 5 weeks and yet we are still getting over 4000 new cases per day. How do 4000 people get infected during lockdown? Today's figure of 813 is still really high by world standards. There are countries where their lockdown rules are being relaxed.... and those "relaxed" rules are still more strict than ours are now... " The increase in cases will be largely due to the increase in tests being done. The death rates will include people who have been ill for weeks. So the stats don't give an accurate picture and never will. The only one that will ever be accurate is hospital admissions. They still don't seem to be sharing much detail on recoveries..... 
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"If the virus has a quarantine period of 2 weeks, and we have been lockdown for 5 weeks and yet we are still getting over 4000 new cases per day. How do 4000 people get infected during lockdown? Simple answer..is.. people are still moving about..key workers..people going shopping etc..care providers.. If I under stand it right..it's upto 14days.. contagious..pre symptoms..so there's is weeks and weeks chain reaction..I get it..I give it to someone on day 12..they repeat this ..and the next person is at day 36..etc" I get that. I'm not saying there should be no new cases. But 4000? Every day? | |||
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"If the virus has a quarantine period of 2 weeks, and we have been lockdown for 5 weeks and yet we are still getting over 4000 new cases per day. How do 4000 people get infected during lockdown? Simple answer..is.. people are still moving about..key workers..people going shopping etc..care providers.. If I under stand it right..it's upto 14days.. contagious..pre symptoms..so there's is weeks and weeks chain reaction..I get it..I give it to someone on day 12..they repeat this ..and the next person is at day 36..etc I get that. I'm not saying there should be no new cases. But 4000? Every day? " You test more people. You get more positive results. Simple. It doesn't change the number of cases - you have just confirmed more. A | |||
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"it's partly because people aren't seeing it as connected to them. The news is full of the politics of this but you'd never know 800+ were dying every day. That's the equivalent of 2-3 plane crashes every day. The grief and devastation of this should be everywhere. The front page of every paper should just be a big, bold number with the word DEAD underneath it. Instead we get celebrity lockdown recipes and the weather." This^^^  | |||
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"If the virus has a quarantine period of 2 weeks, and we have been lockdown for 5 weeks and yet we are still getting over 4000 new cases per day. How do 4000 people get infected during lockdown? Simple answer..is.. people are still moving about..key workers..people going shopping etc..care providers.. If I under stand it right..it's upto 14days.. contagious..pre symptoms..so there's is weeks and weeks chain reaction..I get it..I give it to someone on day 12..they repeat this ..and the next person is at day 36..etc I get that. I'm not saying there should be no new cases. But 4000? Every day? " Millions of us are still out everyday working, that's, why. | |||
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"Also starting to include deaths in care homes. " Could be as high as 2500 I read. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" Yes, and longer too. | |||
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"Either it ends in two weeks or we continue lockdown until there is a tried and tested vaccine and that could be two years or it could be never We avoided the worse projections now we have to adapt and learn to live with it while getting on with our lives Of course we can't go around like we used to but there is a way." Im not holding my breath for a successful vaccine. | |||
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"it's partly because people aren't seeing it as connected to them. The news is full of the politics of this but you'd never know 800+ were dying every day. That's the equivalent of 2-3 plane crashes every day. The grief and devastation of this should be everywhere. The front page of every paper should just be a big, bold number with the word DEAD underneath it. Instead we get celebrity lockdown recipes and the weather." do u really think the ones carrying on as if its just another day would take any notice whatsoever if the number of deaths was rammed down there throat every day??? the ones treating it as just another day round my way are the usual suspects.the junkies and the familys who cause mist of the trouble in my area in normal times are the same ones who at this momment are sat over the park five ir six adults and a dozen kids with them.been there all afternoon.old bill been past 3times and said nothing.yhrse are the same peeps who will want sympathy when one of em comes down with it | |||
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"Either it ends in two weeks or we continue lockdown until there is a tried and tested vaccine and that could be two years or it could be never We avoided the worse projections now we have to adapt and learn to live with it while getting on with our lives Of course we can't go around like we used to but there is a way. Im not holding my breath for a successful vaccine. " Exactly, and we can't stay at home until we have it | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" No but they should be. | |||
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"I see people are still meeting up on here, how stupid and selfish "Where do you see that? | |||
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"Either it ends in two weeks or we continue lockdown until there is a tried and tested vaccine and that could be two years or it could be never We avoided the worse projections now we have to adapt and learn to live with it while getting on with our lives Of course we can't go around like we used to but there is a way. Im not holding my breath for a successful vaccine. " Agreed, there still isn't one for sars and that was a few years ago | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" Stricter lockdown has already been announced in Wales | |||
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"I see people are still meeting up on here, how stupid and selfish
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"They're stupid enough to post verifications and details of their activities...idiots | |||
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"They could be verifications from previous meets" When they only joined a few days ago...stop making excuses for them | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" The deaths wont drop until the daily death rate flattens and that does appear to be happening | |||
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"They could be verifications from previous meets When they only joined a few days ago...stop making excuses for them "Joined or rejoined? Rejoiners often gets previous meets to verify them. | |||
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"They could be verifications from previous meets When they only joined a few days ago...stop making excuses for them "I am not so don't twist my words I am offering you a different reason. People leave and re join, they could get a veri that way However if you really do think people are meeting, report the profile so Admin can check it out | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. | |||
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"They could be verifications from previous meets When they only joined a few days ago...stop making excuses for them
Joined or rejoined? Rejoiners often gets previous meets to verify them. "Just joined...and some who have been here a while, are you going to report them to the police? | |||
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"Either it ends in two weeks or we continue lockdown until there is a tried and tested vaccine and that could be two years or it could be never We avoided the worse projections now we have to adapt and learn to live with it while getting on with our lives Of course we can't go around like we used to but there is a way. Im not holding my breath for a successful vaccine. Exactly, and we can't stay at home until we have it" Heard immunity is the only way out sadly, just like the Spanish flu where it either killed you or your body beat it and became immune. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" If there is signs of a second wave appearing then yes only a lot stricter, may even see military intervention this time. That are already on stand by | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts." Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. " testing, contact tracing, isolating, testing, testing, testing...sadly I don't think it's happening anywhere near to the degree it should be... | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. testing, contact tracing, isolating, testing, testing, testing...sadly I don't think it's happening anywhere near to the degree it should be..." That's not sticter lockdown | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. testing, contact tracing, isolating, testing, testing, testing...sadly I don't think it's happening anywhere near to the degree it should be... That's not sticter lockdown" No it isn't a stricter lockdown...but what good is a stricter lockdown if those who have the political and legal power to raise money and do more and more and more tests are not doing so? We will always be living in fear and we will always at the mercy of waves of thousands of new preventable deaths if no testing, contact tracing and isolating take place.... | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. " It has reportedly worked significantly for Germany, and a couple of countries very near China........ | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. testing, contact tracing, isolating, testing, testing, testing...sadly I don't think it's happening anywhere near to the degree it should be... That's not sticter lockdown No it isn't a stricter lockdown...but what good is a stricter lockdown if those who have the political and legal power to raise money and do more and more and more tests are not doing so? We will always be living in fear and we will always at the mercy of waves of thousands of new preventable deaths if no testing, contact tracing and isolating take place...." The political and legal power to raise money ??? What do you mean As for tests the are increasing the numbers and from a zero starting point I think they're doing quite well. They hit all the targets (so far) Contact tracing comes after lockdown. No point contact tracing when you haven't seen anyone as you've been isolating. They are well on the way to producing an app But what stricter lockdown do you want and for how long ? | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. " The current rules are OK they just need to make people observe them. I'd go with huge fines (hundreds and thousands of pounds) and random checks. They should also prevent any business from re-opening unless their social-distancing measures have been assessed and deemed sufficient. The number of hospital admissions could be a way to understand if it's working. But be aware of the "occupied beds" graph in govern slides: that is a different thing from hospital admissions as it is also influenced by the growing death toll. The lockdown shouldn't be lifted until the numbers are low enough to allow us to handle the inevitably stronger second peak. We should also be prepared to handle a second, longer, lockdown. The govern should have used this time to find a way to reduce the number of people that are unable to work (e.g. re-employment, work from home, real social distancing at work) to a number that is sustainable by the benefit system for a very long time. | |||
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"They could be verifications from previous meets When they only joined a few days ago...stop making excuses for them
Joined or rejoined? Rejoiners often gets previous meets to verify them.
Just joined...and some who have been here a while, are you going to report them to the police? "How do you know they’re not rejoiners? How do you know they’re not verified by people they met in a club before joining? Report to the police? Get a grip. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" There will be far less people out next week..as the weather is changing.. they won't be hanging around in the pissing rain . | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. " Do you realized that our daily deaths are twice their numbers and we are only counting people who dies in hospital? | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. testing, contact tracing, isolating, testing, testing, testing...sadly I don't think it's happening anywhere near to the degree it should be... That's not sticter lockdown No it isn't a stricter lockdown...but what good is a stricter lockdown if those who have the political and legal power to raise money and do more and more and more tests are not doing so? We will always be living in fear and we will always at the mercy of waves of thousands of new preventable deaths if no testing, contact tracing and isolating take place.... The political and legal power to raise money ??? What do you mean As for tests the are increasing the numbers and from a zero starting point I think they're doing quite well. They hit all the targets (so far) Contact tracing comes after lockdown. No point contact tracing when you haven't seen anyone as you've been isolating. They are well on the way to producing an app But what stricter lockdown do you want and for how long ?" "The political and legal power to raise money ??? What do you mean" --exactly what it says...and also.... https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/27/germany-increases-its-covid-19-tests-to-500-000-per-week https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/why-the-uk-is-finding-it-so-hard-to-reach-100000-covid-19-tests-a-day | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. Do you realized that our daily deaths are twice their numbers and we are only counting people who dies in hospital?" But werent their figures based on the same stats.. Hospital deaths.. As other here and elsewhere have pointed out..the try figures won't be know for some time...it's only in the last few years the Spanish flu figures have gotten close to their true scale...even then..it's a rough 50 to 100 million..so not much in the way of variance.. | |||
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"We just need to follow Dr Trump's latest advice and neck down a bottle of disinfectant and all will be well ....simples! "Thinking he actually said that is almost as stupid as thinking it would work. | |||
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"We just need to follow Dr Trump's latest advice and neck down a bottle of disinfectant and all will be well ....simples!
Thinking he actually said that is almost as stupid as thinking it would work."Sadly there will be some rednecks over in US who will be trying this...  | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. Do you realized that our daily deaths are twice their numbers and we are only counting people who dies in hospital? But werent their figures based on the same stats.. Hospital deaths.. As other here and elsewhere have pointed out..the try figures won't be know for some time...it's only in the last few years the Spanish flu figures have gotten close to their true scale...even then..it's a rough 50 to 100 million..so not much in the way of variance.." They report deaths of people tested positive and they also test people not in hospital. I'm not saying that their statistics are not incomplete, but their numbers would much lower of they were counting deaths as we do. | |||
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" Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I think they should be applied. But I don't know if this govern has the guts. Ok, what should be done and how long should it be for. What would indicate it's working and what would be the conditions for ending it. testing, contact tracing, isolating, testing, testing, testing...sadly I don't think it's happening anywhere near to the degree it should be... That's not sticter lockdown No it isn't a stricter lockdown...but what good is a stricter lockdown if those who have the political and legal power to raise money and do more and more and more tests are not doing so? We will always be living in fear and we will always at the mercy of waves of thousands of new preventable deaths if no testing, contact tracing and isolating take place.... The political and legal power to raise money ??? What do you mean As for tests the are increasing the numbers and from a zero starting point I think they're doing quite well. They hit all the targets (so far) Contact tracing comes after lockdown. No point contact tracing when you haven't seen anyone as you've been isolating. They are well on the way to producing an app But what stricter lockdown do you want and for how long ? "The political and legal power to raise money ??? What do you mean" --exactly what it says...and also.... https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/27/germany-increases-its-covid-19-tests-to-500-000-per-week https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/why-the-uk-is-finding-it-so-hard-to-reach-100000-covid-19-tests-a-day " Exactly as it says ? Sorry it does not make any Sense, the government raise taxes ??? | |||
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"We just need to follow Dr Trump's latest advice and neck down a bottle of disinfectant and all will be well ....simples!
Thinking he actually said that is almost as stupid as thinking it would work."See the faces of the US medical government experts....no one dares call him out in these daily updates!!... | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. It has reportedly worked significantly for Germany, and a couple of countries very near China........" China only 4000 deaths in a country of over a billion and you believe them lol | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. Do you realized that our daily deaths are twice their numbers and we are only counting people who dies in hospital?" The government figures include care home deaths now. Look at the official graph for todays figures the orange deaths go back to march and continue daily right upto today. For the figues released are not deaths which happened from 2pm yesterday to 2pm today, they are figures of official registered deaths from covid19 | |||
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"Spain and Italy had full lockdown and loads of testing worked for them,oh hang on it didn't. It has reportedly worked significantly for Germany, and a couple of countries very near China........China only 4000 deaths in a country of over a billion and you believe them lol " They didn't declare the 24000 bodies they burned in Wuhan son guessing it's more than 4000 | |||
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"Either it ends in two weeks or we continue lockdown until there is a tried and tested vaccine and that could be two years or it could be never We avoided the worse projections now we have to adapt and learn to live with it while getting on with our lives Of course we can't go around like we used to but there is a way. Im not holding my breath for a successful vaccine. Agreed, there still isn't one for sars and that was a few years ago" What cov-sars1 ? Exactly | |||
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"FFS guys, please get real, the government can’t enforce a lockdown on a pandemic thats out the stables, half way down the track before they decided to enforce it ! London and Birmingham is full of immigrants hanging out in family groups that the police have been told to leave well alone as not to enforce racial tensions. Everytime you see a picture of a police officer enforcing the lockdown, it’s either a white sunbather in a park or a white dad playing with his kids in the front garden. I’m not racist but I do understand the dynamics of this country. Also, lip service being paid with social distancing to queue to get in a supermarket or walk around it, when wall boarders are standing two feet from one another to build plasterboard walls on construction sites ! Don’t forget the 100,000 or so a week airline passengers that were coming into the UK from other countries until very recently. As for the army on the streets, that worked really well in Northern Ireland didn’t it, do a stronger lockdown, how would that work ?" | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" Stricter lockdown should have been implemented well before now, 20k hospital deaths is far too many. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? Stricter lockdown should have been implemented well before now, 20k hospital deaths is far too many." Stricter how why and for how long Like Spain ? Like germany ? | |||
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"What I’m trying to say is the government lockdown is bollox ! Work from home if you can, but if you can’t, go to work. Only go out to shop for essentials but B&Q is open, Go out for exercise and you can drive anywhere you want as long as you exercise for longer than it took you to drive there ! On that basis, it’s not really a lockdown is it ?" Its never been a full lockdown from day 1. | |||
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"What I’m trying to say is the government lockdown is bollox ! Work from home if you can, but if you can’t, go to work. Only go out to shop for essentials but B&Q is open, Go out for exercise and you can drive anywhere you want as long as you exercise for longer than it took you to drive there ! On that basis, it’s not really a lockdown is it ?" Many people HAVE to work B&Q sell your essential stuff Your not infecting anyone when you drive Next ? | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach" What makes you think they got rid of it. It's not going away no matter how long or strict your lockdown is. It's here forevermore | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach What makes you think they got rid of it. It's not going away no matter how long or strict your lockdown is. It's here forevermore" I disagree with you history tells us that we can get rid of these things | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" I hear there's a new initiative to bring in a better tracking system to get more up to date statistics? Hopefully this will help with the control and get us back to normal asap?  | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach What makes you think they got rid of it. It's not going away no matter how long or strict your lockdown is. It's here forevermoreI disagree with you history tells us that we can get rid of these things" Really ? Which ones have we got rid of ? | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach What makes you think they got rid of it. It's not going away no matter how long or strict your lockdown is. It's here forevermoreI disagree with you history tells us that we can get rid of these things" Not until we have mass vaccination | |||
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"What I’m trying to say is the government lockdown is bollox ! Work from home if you can, but if you can’t, go to work. Only go out to shop for essentials but B&Q is open, Go out for exercise and you can drive anywhere you want as long as you exercise for longer than it took you to drive there ! On that basis, it’s not really a lockdown is it ? Many people HAVE to work B&Q sell your essential stuff Your not infecting anyone when you drive Next ?" Come on guys you really need to up your game. You're being all sensible and stuff, hardly in keeping with the "Mr Angry from Purley" rhetoric is it? | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach What makes you think they got rid of it. It's not going away no matter how long or strict your lockdown is. It's here forevermoreI disagree with you history tells us that we can get rid of these things" Actually history tells us that we have ONLY managed to get rid of smallpox. That is ONE disease that has been around for thousands of years that we have a successful vaccine for that has no animal reservoir. You are talking BS. Pandoras box is open like it or not and covid won't be going anywhere any time soon. Get on with life and stop worrying about 1 extra virus to catch out of the many you already could have been catching in life. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" They may be, but I think the same people will break those rules, unless they enforce them. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?They should and the army brought in to enforce it,take Vietnam population 70 mill crowded housing got rid of virus,atil in lockdown beat it in a month if we had done the same we could all be at the seaside next bank hols but we wont due are stupid softy aproach" But whilst every this virus is in existence in the world and we don’t have a vaccine in your scenario we can’t relax the lockdown so that means at least another 12 to 18 months. Regardless of whether you have a partial lockdown or full house arrest you will not be at the seaside this year unless you happen to live there. This virus will only be beaten by either herd immunity (not happening because we are in lockdown however weak it is) or a vaccine. | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? I hear there's a new initiative to bring in a better tracking system to get more up to date statistics? Hopefully this will help with the control and get us back to normal asap? "hoes this tracking system gona work?i can personaly think of at least a dozen peeps who dont own a mobile and never have.can also think off the top of my head at least another half dozen whos mobiles dont even have a camera let aline beung able to download apps.these tracking apps will only work if every man woman and child has a up to date fone.the ones i know who dont have mobiles dont have one as they lile being hard to get hold of | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. " Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. " The vast majority are following it. | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right..." Yep, has no relevance here though. | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. The vast majority are following it." But too many aren't. | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. The vast majority are following it. But too many aren't. " Are there any statosrics on that or how do you know ? | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. " Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... | |||
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"Large Temporary morgues at most hospitals holding hundreds ...." "Normal" weekly deaths 10,000 currently around 15,000. Depending on where you get "facts" from there are around 1500 hospitals in the UK so doubt there are hundreds in temp morgues at most hospitals, I have seen pics of them being set up just incase. | |||
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"Large Temporary morgues at most hospitals holding hundreds ...." Like the temporary hospitals than can hold thousands? | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. The vast majority are following it. But too many aren't. Are there any statosrics on that or how do you know ?" As I've said before, I have windows, I can see them. Also many people are noticing it too. | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown..." So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? " As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier 
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up."I think they should have grounded flights and had quarantine for anyone coming into the country from any areas with reported cases but I don't think the lockdown should have started earlier. | |||
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"They could be verifications from previous meets When they only joined a few days ago...stop making excuses for them " | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think)" Yes this is just and elaborate prank that all world govern decided to play so we can all have a very big laugh at the end  | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Yes this is just and elaborate prank that all world govern decided to play so we can all have a very big laugh at the end "No one said it was a prank it was stated that the figures that the government have provided are not accurate due to any death taking a covid stat Let's be honest we have been locked down for over a month now and have the figures changed nope Many deaths have happened and would of happened even if covid wasn't around but they have been lumped together Like said comments are from someone still working full time coming into contact with others who have used public transport perhaps we should of all said fuck it an we ain't working let everyone fend for them selves | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up.
I think they should have grounded flights and had quarantine for anyone coming into the country from any areas with reported cases but I don't think the lockdown should have started earlier. "Saw a headline earlier that they are going to be quarantining people flying in, but not putting them in hotels. How the hell is that going to work. And even if they did put them somewhere it's a bit blooming late! | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up.
I think they should have grounded flights and had quarantine for anyone coming into the country from any areas with reported cases but I don't think the lockdown should have started earlier.
Saw a headline earlier that they are going to be quarantining people flying in, but not putting them in hotels. How the hell is that going to work. And even if they did put them somewhere it's a bit blooming late!"Why would we pay for them to stay in hotels ffs | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Yes this is just and elaborate prank that all world govern decided to play so we can all have a very big laugh at the end
No one said it was a prank it was stated that the figures that the government have provided are not accurate due to any death taking a covid stat
Let's be honest we have been locked down for over a month now and have the figures changed nope
Many deaths have happened and would of happened even if covid wasn't around but they have been lumped together
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest "So they are exaggerating the figures? | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up.
I think they should have grounded flights and had quarantine for anyone coming into the country from any areas with reported cases but I don't think the lockdown should have started earlier.
Saw a headline earlier that they are going to be quarantining people flying in, but not putting them in hotels. How the hell is that going to work. And even if they did put them somewhere it's a bit blooming late!"Yep.Bit pointless that. | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up."There has been a big stink her because in the same week Cheltenham was played lpool played athletic Madrid so you had 3000 people from one of the worst hit cities in europe walking around. Turns out the major asked for advice before the game and was told to let it go ahead. Crazy. | |||
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"No. The deaths reported today, are not from the last 24 hours, a lot of them may have happened weeks ago. Cant even use the number of new cases as a guideline, the more people tested, the more positives will be found. At the minute I am taking more note of the number of people in hospital with it. These numbers are going down. Let's see what happens over the next 2 weeks. I do think however people blatantly ignoring the current rules need punishing harder." | |||
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"No. The deaths reported today, are not from the last 24 hours, a lot of them may have happened weeks ago. Cant even use the number of new cases as a guideline, the more people tested, the more positives will be found. At the minute I am taking more note of the number of people in hospital with it. These numbers are going down. Let's see what happens over the next 2 weeks. I do think however people blatantly ignoring the current rules need punishing harder." I do see a pattern of the lockdown working, we just need people to stop being selfish twats and follow the rules. | |||
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"Most patients who are dying are frail elderly unfortunately some others do fall into death rates " All deaths should come into the "unfortunately " description, whatever their age | |||
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. " Plenty of other countries had lockdown as but have had far fewer deaths.Its more due to 1 measure it's how the crises has been handled overall that's important. | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up.
I think they should have grounded flights and had quarantine for anyone coming into the country from any areas with reported cases but I don't think the lockdown should have started earlier. "I agree here. I'm one of those that was hoping we would follow sweden. Their death rates look bad yet they include their care home rates too. Which we are not. And they have already had a drop and the curve has turned.... however we wont know which was right and wrong till it's all confined to the history books. I still find the statistics dont add up... for the panic something that is still only infecting such a small percentage of the population even if you allow for it to be much higher than it is | |||
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"This is what fucks me off, people won't even follow the rules we've been given now, let alone if they got stricter. This is exactly why the government didn't impose a lockdown earlier, people won't stick to it. So for all those bitching about the government not locking down earlier, here's why. Theres a good old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right... Yep, has no relevance here though. Oh it does when you mention the government fucking up in thier handling of this, in the same breath as mentioning the other brain dead who are not adhering to the lockdown... So you think the lockdown should have started earlier? As I started mine weeks earlier. I had mates going to the pub saying they will stop going when the government told them to do so. Oh and them same mates are now saying the government should have shut down erlier
I know you couldn't write it...but yes I think they were at least 2 weeks to slow in the shutdown ,and they should have been on top of this in January but they had thier minds on other things...fucking this right up.
I think they should have grounded flights and had quarantine for anyone coming into the country from any areas with reported cases but I don't think the lockdown should have started earlier. I agree here. I'm one of those that was hoping we would follow sweden. Their death rates look bad yet they include their care home rates too. Which we are not. And they have already had a drop and the curve has turned.... however we wont know which was right and wrong till it's all confined to the history books.
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. " Spanish children under 14 are allowed out for 1 hour, with their parents from today. | |||
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"So people who are themselves out and about are moaning about other people out and about (scratches head)" Maybe people are working? | |||
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"So people who are themselves out and about are moaning about other people out and about (scratches head) Maybe people are working?" exactly the op was having a whinge that people are out and about but he himself is out and about | |||
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"I think the government have got it wrong in every way possible. Too slow to lock down, introduce testing and ensure adequate equipment. Also too slow to ease lock down for the non-vulnerable as the money spent on furlough would be better spent on support and protection for the vulnerable while the rest of the population gains some measure of immunity with a low death rate. Unfortunately they are reacting to hysteria. I’m not sure whether they annoy me more or less than the people who think mentioning the economy is selfish and we should have total lock down. The less people who have a job, the more businesses who go bust, the less tax is paid and the less money the government has to spend on the nhs, benefits etc. And for those who say ‘tax the rich’ it doesn’t work that way, it’s a balancing act, if you increase tax too much people have less incentive to earn more money so productivity drops. Don’t get me started on all the people who will die because the media has scared hem from seeking hospital treatment for other things. The one thing this does tell us is that a lot of people aren’t clever enough to form a balanced opinion and a country that is driven by shouty media is a disaster." | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" Maybe you shouldn't be going for a daily walk if you feel stronger lockdown is required. | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied? Maybe you shouldn't be going for a daily walk if you feel stronger lockdown is required." OP is a little all over the place as on another post he thinks herd immunity is the only way out ....now that's what I heard  | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
So they are exaggerating the figures?
Yes
Why?"While I could put forward loads of theories they would be just that... so I won’t... but I’ll stick with a yes for exaggerating the figures. | |||
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. Plenty of other countries had lockdown as but have had far fewer deaths.Its more due to 1 measure it's how the crises has been handled overall that's important." What’s the measure you refer to? | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
So they are exaggerating the figures?
Yes
Why?
While I could put forward loads of theories they would be just that... so I won’t... but I’ll stick with a yes for exaggerating the figures."I dont understand why a gmnt would exaggerate figures which is going to make their handling of the situation look even worse. | |||
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. Plenty of other countries had lockdown as but have had far fewer deaths.Its more due to 1 measure it's how the crises has been handled overall that's important. What’s the measure you refer to? " Testing,border control,different levels of lockdown,being better prepared for the situation.Id say most countries have adopted a range of measures. | |||
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"Anyone admitted to hospital showing any symptoms of the covid are not tested as not enough tests to do this Many other conditions can appear to be covid such as copd or other things that raise temp or give flu like symptoms So any deaths that occur in nursing homes or hospitals come under the covid death figures as no autopsy are being done " COPD doesn't raise temperature or give flu like symptoms and practically everyone admitted to hospital is tested for covid19 | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" Well as folk won’t listen then most likely “yes” and if they had only done as asked in the first place then we wouldn’t all have to suffer for their selfishness | |||
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"I think the government have got it wrong in every way possible. Too slow to lock down, introduce testing and ensure adequate equipment. Also too slow to ease lock down for the non-vulnerable as the money spent on furlough would be better spent on support and protection for the vulnerable while the rest of the population gains some measure of immunity with a low death rate. Unfortunately they are reacting to hysteria. I’m not sure whether they annoy me more or less than the people who think mentioning the economy is selfish and we should have total lock down. The less people who have a job, the more businesses who go bust, the less tax is paid and the less money the government has to spend on the nhs, benefits etc. And for those who say ‘tax the rich’ it doesn’t work that way, it’s a balancing act, if you increase tax too much people have less incentive to earn more money so productivity drops. Don’t get me started on all the people who will die because the media has scared hem from seeking hospital treatment for other things. The one thing this does tell us is that a lot of people aren’t clever enough to form a balanced opinion and a country that is driven by shouty media is a disaster." But if people went about their business then that would increase cases, hospitalisations and deaths which in turn has an effect on the economy when business owners have staff that increasingly have to isolate due to the virus and we get another spike and businesses have to close again. | |||
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"No it'll go the other way if anything. The economy will absolutely collapse if it goes on for much longer. " Agree | |||
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"How many deaths are they adding to the list ,even thou they dont have the virus. " Could you explain what you mean by this? | |||
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"I haven’t read all the posts on this thread. , but it wouldn’t surprise me if the number of hospital admissions go up in two weeks time, judging by the amount of people I see out and about this last week . " Why it's taken 5 weeks to change the numbers so the 2 weeks rule is bollocks. | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Yes this is just and elaborate prank that all world govern decided to play so we can all have a very big laugh at the end
No one said it was a prank it was stated that the figures that the government have provided are not accurate due to any death taking a covid stat
Let's be honest we have been locked down for over a month now and have the figures changed nope
Many deaths have happened and would of happened even if covid wasn't around but they have been lumped together
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"I think the government have got it wrong in every way possible. Too slow to lock down, introduce testing and ensure adequate equipment. Also too slow to ease lock down for the non-vulnerable as the money spent on furlough would be better spent on support and protection for the vulnerable while the rest of the population gains some measure of immunity with a low death rate. Unfortunately they are reacting to hysteria. I’m not sure whether they annoy me more or less than the people who think mentioning the economy is selfish and we should have total lock down. The less people who have a job, the more businesses who go bust, the less tax is paid and the less money the government has to spend on the nhs, benefits etc. And for those who say ‘tax the rich’ it doesn’t work that way, it’s a balancing act, if you increase tax too much people have less incentive to earn more money so productivity drops. Don’t get me started on all the people who will die because the media has scared hem from seeking hospital treatment for other things. The one thing this does tell us is that a lot of people aren’t clever enough to form a balanced opinion and a country that is driven by shouty media is a disaster." This | |||
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"Anyone admitted to hospital showing any symptoms of the covid are not tested as not enough tests to do this Many other conditions can appear to be covid such as copd or other things that raise temp or give flu like symptoms So any deaths that occur in nursing homes or hospitals come under the covid death figures as no autopsy are being done " Nursing home deaths are not included in the daily figures. Most hospital cases who die have confirmed Covid unless you have actual evidence to the contrary? | |||
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"I think the government have got it wrong in every way possible. Too slow to lock down, introduce testing and ensure adequate equipment. Also too slow to ease lock down for the non-vulnerable as the money spent on furlough would be better spent on support and protection for the vulnerable while the rest of the population gains some measure of immunity with a low death rate. Unfortunately they are reacting to hysteria. I’m not sure whether they annoy me more or less than the people who think mentioning the economy is selfish and we should have total lock down. The less people who have a job, the more businesses who go bust, the less tax is paid and the less money the government has to spend on the nhs, benefits etc. And for those who say ‘tax the rich’ it doesn’t work that way, it’s a balancing act, if you increase tax too much people have less incentive to earn more money so productivity drops. Don’t get me started on all the people who will die because the media has scared hem from seeking hospital treatment for other things. The one thing this does tell us is that a lot of people aren’t clever enough to form a balanced opinion and a country that is driven by shouty media is a disaster." Fantastic post | |||
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"I think the government have got it wrong in every way possible. Too slow to lock down, introduce testing and ensure adequate equipment. Also too slow to ease lock down for the non-vulnerable as the money spent on furlough would be better spent on support and protection for the vulnerable while the rest of the population gains some measure of immunity with a low death rate. Unfortunately they are reacting to hysteria. I’m not sure whether they annoy me more or less than the people who think mentioning the economy is selfish and we should have total lock down. The less people who have a job, the more businesses who go bust, the less tax is paid and the less money the government has to spend on the nhs, benefits etc. And for those who say ‘tax the rich’ it doesn’t work that way, it’s a balancing act, if you increase tax too much people have less incentive to earn more money so productivity drops. Don’t get me started on all the people who will die because the media has scared hem from seeking hospital treatment for other things. The one thing this does tell us is that a lot of people aren’t clever enough to form a balanced opinion and a country that is driven by shouty media is a disaster. Fantastic post " | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked" Where did you get that figure ? You do know it's bullshit ? | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked Where did you get that figure ? You do know it's bullshit ?" Was it on the side of a bus maybe | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked Where did you get that figure ? You do know it's bullshit ?" You think more ? I'd guess more too | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked" Perhaps the developed world will have to adapt to a new way of living, because this virus isn't going away and building up a societal resistance to it is not going to happen in just a few months. | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked Perhaps the developed world will have to adapt to a new way of living, because this virus isn't going away and building up a societal resistance to it is not going to happen in just a few months." No about 2 to 5 years current rate of infections | |||
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"You'll find it in the Covid 19 update packs if you're interested" I have not had that pack cant find it on web Only 2.4 billion which seems about right per day | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked" Try and take a little comfort in the fact that the rest of the world will be fucked too | |||
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"I think they'll be relaxed and then go horrible wrong and backfire... Come back stricter at all cost. Did you you know this is costing 2.5 billion pound per day? This time in a year... We're well and truly fucked Where did you get that figure ? You do know it's bullshit ?" No... BBC news I'm sure they know what there talking about | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
So they are exaggerating the figures?
Yes
Why?
While I could put forward loads of theories they would be just that... so I won’t... but I’ll stick with a yes for exaggerating the figures.
I dont understand why a gmnt would exaggerate figures which is going to make their handling of the situation look even worse."Imagine if the figures were found to be insignificant.... how would the cost to the U.K. be justified? | |||
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. Plenty of other countries had lockdown as but have had far fewer deaths.Its more due to 1 measure it's how the crises has been handled overall that's important. What’s the measure you refer to? Testing,border control,different levels of lockdown,being better prepared for the situation.Id say most countries have adopted a range of measures." So a range of measures? ... not a single measure ? | |||
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"Seen so many people out today and yesterday on my daily walk. Families in cars, groups of young men meeting up at the park, roads busier. The deaths are not dropping significantly considering we have been in lockdown for over a month. Do you think stricter lockdown rules will be applied?" If the fucktards carry on like this then, yes, there will be a stricter lockdown... Possibly more power to the police for arrest and prosecution and maybe even the army on the streets to aid the police... | |||
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"How many deaths are they adding to the list ,even thou they dont have the virus. Could you explain what you mean by this?" Sorry just checking led she hasn’t responded so I’ll try to help... she means how many deaths are being attributed to CV even though they don’t have the virus! | |||
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. Plenty of other countries had lockdown as but have had far fewer deaths.Its more due to 1 measure it's how the crises has been handled overall that's important. What’s the measure you refer to? Testing,border control,different levels of lockdown,being better prepared for the situation.Id say most countries have adopted a range of measures. So a range of measures? ... not a single measure ? " Yep. | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
So they are exaggerating the figures?
Yes
Why?
While I could put forward loads of theories they would be just that... so I won’t... but I’ll stick with a yes for exaggerating the figures.
I dont understand why a gmnt would exaggerate figures which is going to make their handling of the situation look even worse.
Imagine if the figures were found to be insignificant.... how would the cost to the U.K. be justified? "So they are inflating the figures to justify the money that's bee spent?ie the bailout etc | |||
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"Let's lockdown more like Spain only go out with permission children not allowed out at all, then our death rate would be lower like their's. Hang on higher number than us with less population, lockdown is a blunt tool so will never work. Plenty of other countries had lockdown as but have had far fewer deaths.Its more due to 1 measure it's how the crises has been handled overall that's important. What’s the measure you refer to? Testing,border control,different levels of lockdown,being better prepared for the situation.Id say most countries have adopted a range of measures. So a range of measures? ... not a single measure ? Yep." The only similar country I can see who is currently performing better is Germany and I don't think they have a more strict lockdown | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Yes this is just and elaborate prank that all world govern decided to play so we can all have a very big laugh at the end
No one said it was a prank it was stated that the figures that the government have provided are not accurate due to any death taking a covid stat
Let's be honest we have been locked down for over a month now and have the figures changed nope
Many deaths have happened and would of happened even if covid wasn't around but they have been lumped together
Like said comments are from someone still working full time coming into contact with others who have used public transport perhaps we should of all said fuck it an we ain't working let everyone fend for them selves
Look at the numbers again, maybe take some primary school maths lessons too... learn what doubling means! pre-lockdown and for some weeks after the number arriving at hospital and the number dying doubled every 3-4 days!! Lockdown has very clearly stalled this exponential rate of infection, Had the trend been allowed to contained we would now be seeing 10’s of thousands dying each week, if not each day! Now we are many months, perhaps years from knowing if lockdown has reduced the total number who will ultimately die as a result of Covid19 but it has bought time to work on a vaccine."Consider, maybe those in mid february who died Had their deaths attributed to the conditions which caused their death, then we need numbers so we attribute more and more deaths to the virus..... like when numbers of deaths appear to be dropping we find 4000 others who died but we hadn’t counted them .. | |||
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"The government have been very clever hiding how many deaths have occurred from virus ( which is less than people know or think) Local hospital wards aren't full and nurses are not even finishing full 12 hour shifts due to lack of work Temp hospitals at exhibition centres haven't been used yet All deaths being put down to covid due to no post mortem so non covid deaths being including in death tolls Lack of testing for patients suspected of having it so no clear stats on how many people actually have it Like many still working full time so it's pointless for a lock down on weekends to go into work Monday and mix with others who have used public transport although have stuck to it Lack of true knowledge brings fear to everyone and government should be more honest
So they are exaggerating the figures?
Yes
Why?
While I could put forward loads of theories they would be just that... so I won’t... but I’ll stick with a yes for exaggerating the figures.
I dont understand why a gmnt would exaggerate figures which is going to make their handling of the situation look even worse.
Imagine if the figures were found to be insignificant.... how would the cost to the U.K. be justified?
So they are inflating the figures to justify the money that's bee spent?ie the bailout etc"Bailout was far to generous for temporary measures....should have been a sealing of 2 hundred quid across the board deck we can spend feck all... | |||
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