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Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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over a year ago
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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Totally agree. It’s mawkish and totally unnecessary. |
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Don't misunderstand me, I know how awful this disease is. I know the pain of losing loved ones. ( not to covid ) Surely there is a limit to the amount of death and grief that people can take. I do think it will add to people's mental and emotional deterioration. |
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
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I agree. My heart goes out to those who have lost, or are in the process of losing, loved ones.
BUT.
With it being shown all the time, soon it becomes accepted as the norm, and goes from heart wrenching to just another statistic.
Does this make me heartless, or am I becoming inured to loss? |
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"Don't misunderstand me, I know how awful this disease is. I know the pain of losing loved ones. ( not to covid ) Surely there is a limit to the amount of death and grief that people can take. I do think it will add to people's mental and emotional deterioration. "
Unfortunately in these times of soap opera politic and puppet mainstream media the news content has a high emotional focus in an attempt to influence the population (stay in, save life’s etc.). Personally I believe this is an outcome of our own doing ..... the UK mainstream media has, for some years now, seen a meteoric escalation of reality and instant fame entertainment. Sadly we are now reaping in reality what has already been established in our cultural fabric. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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I hear you. the trouble is that how we do grief as a country has changed.
One of my regular cycling routes is what used to be a country lane, but is now a cycle path. It was closed off because it was believed of the local scum / joyriders who'd use it as a private race track late at night before burning someone else's pride and joy.
One of the scum improved average intelligence and morality twenty years ago by removing themselves from the gene pool - too prosaic an end for the Darwin Awards, but hey ho.
Over the years their family have steadily turned the tree in question into a private shrine - I went past yesterday ad there's fresh white gravel, a vase, ribbons, printed cards, the whole panoply of commemorative dreck, all to remember a car thief. We seem to tolerate ostentatious grief far more than we used to and seem to be much less likely to do a balanced assessment of the deceased; not everyone who dies was an angel, or a hero, or even very likeable. I call it the Princess Diana effect - by the time Tony Blair and others had finished whitewashing her character it became almost seditious libel to question whether she actually was that worthy, or good.
That's a long way from where you started, but on this one I'm with you. Anyone who's reaction to grief is to record a TV interview needs to have professional help, not some ghoulish journalist who knows death sells (and always has - as anyone who's ever seen a journo do a death knock will know.) |
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Yes, totally agree
The whole media circus is just a negative and depressing mess at the moment, only seem to want to criticise and lower the spirits of everyone. Either morning much is now going on in the world or they think if they just go on and on about corona they’ve done their job. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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I agree completely
I sadly think we have gone to a point of no return
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It's manipulation, perhaps some grieving families want to enforce the issue their loved one raise as with the ppe issue but the whole public grief on camera doesn't sit well personally..
Interesting points raised about the influence of celebrity culture which is driving the wannabe famous etc..
The whole Diana thing post her demise was nothing short of a national embarrassment.. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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Totally agree |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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I’ve not lost anyone close to Covid-19 but I know others who have. The awful thing is how there is only a funeral, no service and only a handful of mourners. I think it makes the grieving process harder.
I certainly wouldn’t be on TV if I’d lost a family member. |
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over a year ago
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"Don't misunderstand me, I know how awful this disease is. I know the pain of losing loved ones. ( not to covid ) Surely there is a limit to the amount of death and grief that people can take. I do think it will add to people's mental and emotional deterioration.
Unfortunately in these times of soap opera politic and puppet mainstream media the news content has a high emotional focus in an attempt to influence the population (stay in, save life’s etc.). Personally I believe this is an outcome of our own doing ..... the UK mainstream media has, for some years now, seen a meteoric escalation of reality and instant fame entertainment. Sadly we are now reaping in reality what has already been established in our cultural fabric."
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This patronising banality is sadly not a new phenomenon.
It is legitimate in local news where the person(s) involved my have been well known locally, but it is simply evidence of lazy and cheap production values in the national news.
For many years now national BBC TV news have shied away from self produced global stories, when they can simply take in a 2min 12 seconds from a regional feed.
How many hours of news have you seen about the appaling situation in Yemen, Somalia etc. It all about Washington, Paris, Dubai or anywhere where the interested parties with vested interests will cover flights and a good hotel
National news is primariy a ratings exercise where the white metropolitan C1-B1 demographic is all important
Under the guise of journalists "health and safety", they dont cover important overseas news if there is not a 5* hotel in a walled compound with a pool and on tap G&T for the crew, and hey, jonny forigner black fella wont be writing to his MP to complain,(there is the licenceing review to consider after all)
I recall the dreadful famine in Etheopia that spawned live aid in the 80's. That crisis was developing for months, widely covered on BBC R4 before BBC TV were shamed by their target demographic and had no choice but to stop ignoring it.
There was also an incident in Afganistan when an american aircraft sent a missile into the wrong building and killed around 60 guests at a wedding party, that failed to make the BBC news, but the fact that Waitrose had launched a loyalty card did.
BBC "NEWS" is light entertainment for the people of Notting Hill. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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That is rather heartless of you to say. If you do not like then switch it off. The whole point behind this is to highlight how the virus is killing people of all ages from all walks of life. Alot of people think it will not come to their door so showing these grieving families may make you think twice and make you be more cautious and careful over the coming weeks. |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I can’t watch it. It’s not good for my own mental health at the moment.
And i think people should be left alone to mourn their loss in privacy, not be asked stupid pointless questions by story thirsty reporters when folk are at their most vulnerable. It’s horrible. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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I agree. Will be interesting to read any views from those who disagree. |
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That is rather heartless of you to say. If you do not like then switch it off. The whole point behind this is to highlight how the virus is killing people of all ages from all walks of life. Alot of people think it will not come to their door so showing these grieving families may make you think twice and make you be more cautious and careful over the coming weeks."
I feel this reinforces my point above, BAE arms sales to Saudi will kill more people Yemen than corvid19 will ever kill in the UK.
but guess thats not newsworthy. they are not white metropolitan people like us. |
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"I’ve not lost anyone close to Covid-19 but I know others who have. The awful thing is how there is only a funeral, no service and only a handful of mourners. I think it makes the grieving process harder.
I certainly wouldn’t be on TV if I’d lost a family member. "
We were lucky in that we were able to have a family funeral and a wake, albeit with some not able to attend on the Friday when the pubs closed..
Heartbreaking for some families who have not had that in this time.. |
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"I’ve not lost anyone close to Covid-19 but I know others who have. The awful thing is how there is only a funeral, no service and only a handful of mourners. I think it makes the grieving process harder.
I certainly wouldn’t be on TV if I’d lost a family member.
We were lucky in that we were able to have a family funeral and a wake, albeit with some not able to attend on the Friday when the pubs closed..
Heartbreaking for some families who have not had that in this time.. "
I'm sorry for your loss xx |
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I think there have always been people who only feel their pain is real if it's publicly acknowledged. It's easier to reach a wider audience with television and social media.
I feel uncomfortable witnessing other people's grief but if it helps them in any small way it's ok. I can't help but feel they're being used in various ways though. I'm very private when it comes to things like that so do find it difficult to understand. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
That is rather heartless of you to say. If you do not like then switch it off. The whole point behind this is to highlight how the virus is killing people of all ages from all walks of life. Alot of people think it will not come to their door so showing these grieving families may make you think twice and make you be more cautious and careful over the coming weeks."
If I don't like it switch it off ?
The number of people that think if you turn the t.v. off the problem is not there is astounding.
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"I’ve not lost anyone close to Covid-19 but I know others who have. The awful thing is how there is only a funeral, no service and only a handful of mourners. I think it makes the grieving process harder.
I certainly wouldn’t be on TV if I’d lost a family member.
We were lucky in that we were able to have a family funeral and a wake, albeit with some not able to attend on the Friday when the pubs closed..
Heartbreaking for some families who have not had that in this time..
I'm sorry for your loss xx "
Thank you..
In some ways it was with the nature of his illness a blessing, and whilst expected ish still a huge hole in all of his families lives..
Given when it happened not sure any of us have begun to grieve yet.. |
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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Unfortunately the media and our society is addicted to grief, mysery and general depression. The media cannot help themselves bigging up as much as possible any bad news by using terms like "gripped in horror, outrage, terrified, panic" in general sweeping terms in refering to their warped view of the general public and society laps it up. |
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"I’ve not lost anyone close to Covid-19 but I know others who have. The awful thing is how there is only a funeral, no service and only a handful of mourners. I think it makes the grieving process harder.
I certainly wouldn’t be on TV if I’d lost a family member.
We were lucky in that we were able to have a family funeral and a wake, albeit with some not able to attend on the Friday when the pubs closed..
Heartbreaking for some families who have not had that in this time..
I'm sorry for your loss xx
Thank you..
In some ways it was with the nature of his illness a blessing, and whilst expected ish still a huge hole in all of his families lives..
Given when it happened not sure any of us have begun to grieve yet.. "
Understood xxx Experience tells me that grief isn't linear xx |
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"I’ve not lost anyone close to Covid-19 but I know others who have. The awful thing is how there is only a funeral, no service and only a handful of mourners. I think it makes the grieving process harder.
I certainly wouldn’t be on TV if I’d lost a family member.
We were lucky in that we were able to have a family funeral and a wake, albeit with some not able to attend on the Friday when the pubs closed..
Heartbreaking for some families who have not had that in this time..
I'm sorry for your loss xx
Thank you..
In some ways it was with the nature of his illness a blessing, and whilst expected ish still a huge hole in all of his families lives..
Given when it happened not sure any of us have begun to grieve yet..
Understood xxx Experience tells me that grief isn't linear xx "
That's true.. |
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"People live their lives on Facebook
People tell their life story on The x factor
Why would grief be any different?
Its the age we live in."
I don't agree lionel. Grief is different because it is depressive/supressive/mood lowering.......
What I am saying is that LIFE itself brings times when we must grieve but if we grieve with several families per day and do that over a few weeks it is going to have an effect on emotions and mental states. A bit like PTSD.
Even in world wars we heard numbers of fatalities , we knew people who had losses but we didn't go to all the funerals or stand the family in the street to mourn for us all or tell us how their family met their end.....
I totally disagree with the poster above who says that it's a heartless comment for me to make. On the contrary I think you'd have to be pretty heartless not to mention fairly brainless to keep indulging in this spectacle. |
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"People live their lives on Facebook
People tell their life story on The x factor
Why would grief be any different?
Its the age we live in."
And the grief is now part and parcel of things like tosser factor, Britain's talentless etc doing segments of the show about how someone in their families either got cancer or destitute or being deported or whatever shite we don't need to know but creates a good old sob story.
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"People live their lives on Facebook
People tell their life story on The x factor
Why would grief be any different?
Its the age we live in.
I don't agree lionel. Grief is different because it is depressive/supressive/mood lowering.......
What I am saying is that LIFE itself brings times when we must grieve but if we grieve with several families per day and do that over a few weeks it is going to have an effect on emotions and mental states. A bit like PTSD.
Even in world wars we heard numbers of fatalities , we knew people who had losses but we didn't go to all the funerals or stand the family in the street to mourn for us all or tell us how their family met their end.....
I totally disagree with the poster above who says that it's a heartless comment for me to make. On the contrary I think you'd have to be pretty heartless not to mention fairly brainless to keep indulging in this spectacle. "
I couldn't agree more, people are addicted to depression, addicted to feeling down |
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"People live their lives on Facebook
People tell their life story on The x factor
Why would grief be any different?
Its the age we live in.
I don't agree lionel. Grief is different because it is depressive/supressive/mood lowering.......
What I am saying is that LIFE itself brings times when we must grieve but if we grieve with several families per day and do that over a few weeks it is going to have an effect on emotions and mental states. A bit like PTSD.
Even in world wars we heard numbers of fatalities , we knew people who had losses but we didn't go to all the funerals or stand the family in the street to mourn for us all or tell us how their family met their end.....
I totally disagree with the poster above who says that it's a heartless comment for me to make. On the contrary I think you'd have to be pretty heartless not to mention fairly brainless to keep indulging in this spectacle. "
I just think we live in an age where everything we do is through the prism of social media.We live or lives on there so death would be no different.
The media undoubtedly play a part too.
The poster who mentioned diana made a good point. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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Agreed - the whole reporting of this is pretty unpleasant. The BBC are the worst. |
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It's certainly not good for anyone's who mental health is fragile currently.
I have a friend who works as a news reporter / journalist and she's gave me an insight into how it works in terms of the single minded pursuit of the next most dramatic, impactful, potentially heart wrenching story all in the name of reading and viewing figures! She has talked through many examples over the years when we have been luckily enough to catch up for a few drinks.
I can imagine the news room boss asking his journalists what have we got? The first journalist steps in with another care worker who has passed away story and is quickly dismissed as that's be becoming stale now and a new angle is needed.
Step forward a 2nd journalist who informs the boss that 2 twins only in middle aged have recently passed away within days of each other due to covid19. The boss is interest and perks up. The journalist then adds that the twins were also both care workers / nurses. The boss then jumps up and replies "that's it!" "I want all your resources onto this story we don't have a second to loose!"
Sadly that's what it can be like and wether your story makes the news or even become a main story depends on if it plays into to the tone and the narrative that the news station is wanting to deliver at the that oint in time.
Look at the mass shooting in Canada it was 20 plus dead wasn't it? I don't know exactly because it's hardly been covered. If that happened pre coronavirus it would have dominated all the new channels for days!
Each death if tragic and my heart goes out to all the families.
People are scared enough for thier own personal situations currently. For me my Dad's got terminal cancer and his cancer treatment prolonging his life has been completely stopped and my wife is also 9 weeks pregnant with our first child.
I'm scared that in many be ways the lockdown is starting to disintegrate. As a key worker comparing now to 3 weeks ago and the numbers and range of people out and about has vastly increased. I'm also working with businesses who didn't need to close but did because of fear, poor understanding of the requirements and also to protect staff and do what they thought is the right thing at the start of the lockdown. That goodwill has drained away in the face of getting to a sink or swim point. Reopening with social distancing is the only way forward for many people if they are keep thier business afloat. You don't see much of that in the news currently as it doesn't fit the current narrative.
KJ x
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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago
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"I can't remember the last time I heard about brexit. Just imagine if there was no virus to report.. We would have brexit pushed down our throats 24/7 "
Brexit stuff is still being done, the media are not reporting on it much.
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
That is rather heartless of you to say. If you do not like then switch it off. The whole point behind this is to highlight how the virus is killing people of all ages from all walks of life. Alot of people think it will not come to their door so showing these grieving families may make you think twice and make you be more cautious and careful over the coming weeks."
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"People live their lives on Facebook
People tell their life story on The x factor
Why would grief be any different?
Its the age we live in.
I don't agree lionel. Grief is different because it is depressive/supressive/mood lowering.......
What I am saying is that LIFE itself brings times when we must grieve but if we grieve with several families per day and do that over a few weeks it is going to have an effect on emotions and mental states. A bit like PTSD.
Even in world wars we heard numbers of fatalities , we knew people who had losses but we didn't go to all the funerals or stand the family in the street to mourn for us all or tell us how their family met their end.....
I totally disagree with the poster above who says that it's a heartless comment for me to make. On the contrary I think you'd have to be pretty heartless not to mention fairly brainless to keep indulging in this spectacle. "
I don't like it so i don't watch it. However if it means that some people now understand how serious covid-19 is and they stay inside then it's done something good. |
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"It's certainly not good for anyone's who mental health is fragile currently.
I have a friend who works as a news reporter / journalist and she's gave me an insight into how it works in terms of the single minded pursuit of the next most dramatic, impactful, potentially heart wrenching story all in the name of reading and viewing figures! She has talked through many examples over the years when we have been luckily enough to catch up for a few drinks.
I can imagine the news room boss asking his journalists what have we got? The first journalist steps in with another care worker who has passed away story and is quickly dismissed as that's be becoming stale now and a new angle is needed.
Step forward a 2nd journalist who informs the boss that 2 twins only in middle aged have recently passed away within days of each other due to covid19. The boss is interest and perks up. The journalist then adds that the twins were also both care workers / nurses. The boss then jumps up and replies "that's it!" "I want all your resources onto this story we don't have a second to loose!"
Sadly that's what it can be like and wether your story makes the news or even become a main story depends on if it plays into to the tone and the narrative that the news station is wanting to deliver at the that oint in time.
Look at the mass shooting in Canada it was 20 plus dead wasn't it? I don't know exactly because it's hardly been covered. If that happened pre coronavirus it would have dominated all the new channels for days!
Each death if tragic and my heart goes out to all the families.
People are scared enough for thier own personal situations currently. For me my Dad's got terminal cancer and his cancer treatment prolonging his life has been completely stopped and my wife is also 9 weeks pregnant with our first child.
I'm scared that in many be ways the lockdown is starting to disintegrate. As a key worker comparing now to 3 weeks ago and the numbers and range of people out and about has vastly increased. I'm also working with businesses who didn't need to close but did because of fear, poor understanding of the requirements and also to protect staff and do what they thought is the right thing at the start of the lockdown. That goodwill has drained away in the face of getting to a sink or swim point. Reopening with social distancing is the only way forward for many people if they are keep thier business afloat. You don't see much of that in the news currently as it doesn't fit the current narrative.
KJ x
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I wouldn't call it a novelty op.
Is kind of agree but also I don't.
On one hand by doing what they are doing they are lessening the impact of death's as people now have become accustomed to death and it's creating a cheapened opinion on human life,but I think since 911 this has been happening more and more,going over every detail of the deaths of people look at Lee Rigby R.I.P a horrific incident but there was no need to post some of the pictures they did.
Same with many attacks since.
The covid death's have just added fuel to the fire of morbid fascination with death the media and society has undermining the true sadness and impact of it.
But
I can understand why they do it to put faces to the numbers help's people understand the gravity of the situation and as a nation and a species we are collectively grieving,if people are bored with this and fed up then possibly they need to have a good look at themselves and their humanity but I can see your point that people should choose this option not have it thrust upon them on an hourly basis.
But mark my words this is not going to get better yet, and already people are becoming blasé about it all as the many posts on her stating that they are " done with this now"
Unfortunately just ignoring it won't make it go away.
But I am not going to lambast people for dealing with the situation in the best way for them.
I will lambast as loudly as possible people who are intentionally reckless and putting others in danger by ignoring governmental advice.
RIP the 20,000 in 51 days plus the many more worldwide and the many more yet to come.
Peace and love all xx |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Don't misunderstand me, I know how awful this disease is. I know the pain of losing loved ones. ( not to covid ) Surely there is a limit to the amount of death and grief that people can take. I do think it will add to people's mental and emotional deterioration.
Unfortunately in these times of soap opera politic and puppet mainstream media the news content has a high emotional focus in an attempt to influence the population (stay in, save life’s etc.). Personally I believe this is an outcome of our own doing ..... the UK mainstream media has, for some years now, seen a meteoric escalation of reality and instant fame entertainment. Sadly we are now reaping in reality what has already been established in our cultural fabric."
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"Since Covid it's endless.
Initially I soaked up reporting due to the novelty of the virus.
Now i'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable.
Just about every death brings the family out to cry on camera. Do we have to share it all ?
There really isn't anything exceptional about people grieving and I wish the families the best.... but I don't want to have to go to one more 'mini' funeral.
I think it's giving a skewed view of events and diluting the real pain felt by families.
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I don't engage with it. For me, grief is a private thing and I don't need to see it to empathise with it.
I don't watch the news on the telly, I listen to it on the radio. That's better (to me) because, although there are sad reports, there's more discussion and no pointless visualisation - and you still get real examples of how people are coping with their loss. |
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