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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Amount of times I have people say “I’m fit and healthy”
Its important people know they can have it without knowing and showing symptoms.
Not just on here but in general life I am seeing this daily.
I really want lockdown over but it will last longer at this rate especially with people ignoring whats been asked
Please stay home and stay safe
Thank you to those that do and those who are still working
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The virus is going no where. We could stay in lockdown for months but, we have to come out to it at some point. Personally, I can't stand months of this.
Before people tell me I'm irresponsible, I work as a nurse. |
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over a year ago
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Loads in Tesco's yesterday evening.
Absolutely no idea how to negotiate a one way shopping system and no idea about social distancing!
Twice I actually had people brush against me whilst reaching for goods. I exercised amazing will power I can tell you!
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The virus is going no where. We could stay in lockdown for months but, we have to come out to it at some point. Personally, I can't stand months of this.
Before people tell me I'm irresponsible, I work as a nurse. "
I get that but people are pretending nothing is happening
We will have to come out of this slowly but doing what we can now will help the long run |
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There's sheep and there's people.
1 person goes out the sheep thinks
Well if he /she can do it so can I.
But people get pissed off with staying indoors and decide to go out. Before you know it there's more and more people out.
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over a year ago
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
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This!
My mental health is suffering...so many people are struggling! |
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Proper rush hour traffic this morning tons more cars on the road.
This all seems to have been sparked by the announcement that B&Q re opening.
People are assuming it's all ok.
Reminder.
They have said that vaccine is unlikely to be ready before September at the earliest.
So what was dangerous three weeks ago will remain so until you get vaccinated assuming that will be available for everyone it will probably be 18 months before everyone gets done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On a positive note I read an article that treatment of people using a modification to treatment previously used for sleep apnoea is having success and is preventing people moving onto ventilators.
Would make sense that a treatment to keep your airways open would help. Apparently the recovery rate is much better with this new intervention. |
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
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This is my concern. I live alone, I haven't seen any friends in person for weeks, my children or grandchildren. I haven't met my partner as we live in separate households. I am ok so far but, have felt flat in mood. I'm happy to social distance but, need to see some plan to see some way out. |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
Abingdon |
My issue with the vaccine, they have been working on a SARs vaccine for 18 years and not successful, but Covid-19 seems to be cracked in less than 6 months.
I don’t think we should hold our breath about it.
SARs was far more lethal but less contagious.
Ignoring lockdown doesn’t help anyone |
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Credit where’s it due, I think the whole country has reacted brilliantly. The way we have observed the lockdown for almost five weeks now has been incredible. What more could we possibly do?
Yes I know there has been the odd example of idiots but very few.
Well done everyone! |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
Abingdon |
"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
This is my concern. I live alone, I haven't seen any friends in person for weeks, my children or grandchildren. I haven't met my partner as we live in separate households. I am ok so far but, have felt flat in mood. I'm happy to social distance but, need to see some plan to see some way out."
Agreed but how do you plan for something no one knows about? China reduced lockdown and areas are facing a 2nd wave.
Do what you can especially being a nurse, the stress must be crazy |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Credit where’s it due, I think the whole country has reacted brilliantly. The way we have observed the lockdown for almost five weeks now has been incredible. What more could we possibly do?
Yes I know there has been the odd example of idiots but very few.
Well done everyone! "
Oh yes the majority but on here I reported 3 people in one day including people who travel the country. Only one person needs to be infected to spread this like wildfire.
If that happens its a complete waste of 5 weeks |
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"On a positive note I read an article that treatment of people using a modification to treatment previously used for sleep apnoea is having success and is preventing people moving onto ventilators.
Would make sense that a treatment to keep your airways open would help. Apparently the recovery rate is much better with this new intervention."
If thats true then brilliant news. Do you have a link?
My understanding of the affects of the virus, however, is that similar to pneumonia the problem is fluid in the alveoli and not really an airway problem? Im not a biologist however....just a Physics degree. A physicist and not a physician! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
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Better than being dead though surely?
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over a year ago
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
Better than being dead though surely?
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Mental health issues can kill too y'know... |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
Abingdon |
"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
Better than being dead though surely?
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Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
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The medical guy in the briefing said the vaccine or drugs to fight C19 won't be available for 12 months.
We cannot seriously stay in lockdown that long so we need to understand what the plan is to exit lockdown
If shops like b&q are opening to the public then they are inviting people to leave their houses |
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"The medical guy in the briefing said the vaccine or drugs to fight C19 won't be available for 12 months.
We cannot seriously stay in lockdown that long so we need to understand what the plan is to exit lockdown
If shops like b&q are opening to the public then they are inviting people to leave their houses "
To shop for an essential light shade? |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
Abingdon |
"The medical guy in the briefing said the vaccine or drugs to fight C19 won't be available for 12 months.
We cannot seriously stay in lockdown that long so we need to understand what the plan is to exit lockdown
If shops like b&q are opening to the public then they are inviting people to leave their houses "
As I said above how do you create a plan for something you have no idea about? China eased lockdown and facing a second wave.
We need to learn about this more |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Amount of times I have people say “I’m fit and healthy”
Its important people know they can have it without knowing and showing symptoms.
Not just on here but in general life I am seeing this daily.
I really want lockdown over but it will last longer at this rate especially with people ignoring whats been asked
Please stay home and stay safe
Thank you to those that do and those who are still working
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So what is your logic regarding the length of time we will have lock down S And people self infecting?
I suggest the more people that stick ridgedly to the rules the less in total will be infected first wave yey
However as soon as any restrictions are relaxed there is obviously a greater pool of non infected and round we go
Change society remove money
Lock almost everyone in the world at home and still the virus will be waiting
Lock down social restrictions will exist until
A , a majority have been infected
B, a vaccination
Sticking strictly to lock down does not reduce time A takes to occur
Lock down does allow the NHS to function
My current understanding though is that the NHS has extra capacity than normal?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
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I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
Abingdon |
"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Amount of times I have people say “I’m fit and healthy”
Its important people know they can have it without knowing and showing symptoms.
Not just on here but in general life I am seeing this daily.
I really want lockdown over but it will last longer at this rate especially with people ignoring whats been asked
Please stay home and stay safe
Thank you to those that do and those who are still working
So what is your logic regarding the length of time we will have lock down S And people self infecting?
I suggest the more people that stick ridgedly to the rules the less in total will be infected first wave yey
However as soon as any restrictions are relaxed there is obviously a greater pool of non infected and round we go
Change society remove money
Lock almost everyone in the world at home and still the virus will be waiting
Lock down social restrictions will exist until
A , a majority have been infected
B, a vaccination
Sticking strictly to lock down does not reduce time A takes to occur
Lock down does allow the NHS to function
My current understanding though is that the NHS has extra capacity than normal?
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They do but they are trying to keep the levels at something the NHS can deal with. Theres still seasonal flu etc to deal with. In the summer these rates reduce.
Most people will be infected but lets not overwhelm an already struggling service |
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"The medical guy in the briefing said the vaccine or drugs to fight C19 won't be available for 12 months.
We cannot seriously stay in lockdown that long so we need to understand what the plan is to exit lockdown
If shops like b&q are opening to the public then they are inviting people to leave their houses
As I said above how do you create a plan for something you have no idea about? China eased lockdown and facing a second wave.
We need to learn about this more"
But for how long? We need to understand the strategy.
If the government were serious about this they would have closed all non essential businesses, but they didn't |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
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Compassion at its finest...  |
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"This Virus does not move, it is the people that move it.
It really isn't that complicated, if we do not move the Virus will die! "
No it won't
Well yes actually you are right
However
What you suggest is 100 percent not possible
That means
EVERYONE NHS powerstations food markets water sewage supplies
EVERY ONE
Would need to stay inside for 4 5 6 weeks
Unless EVERYONE did as you correctly say you are wrong
Then no contact at all with another country ever
Ever ever
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
Better than being dead though surely?
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But from her post you can see that she got it and didn't die. As is the case with the vast majority. |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
Better than being dead though surely?
I rarely say this because of the stigma but I suffer from episodes of psychosis. It is terrifying and very dangerous.
I still see my carers so I am just about coping but if I had to spend weeks or months alone... I'd probably take my chances with the virus too. "
I completely get this but also the people who have had it that come to us are generally because of their psychotic presentation and not adhering to the advice. If they need hospital admission they are then in a place with lots of very poorly people who struggle with the advice and thats just a mountain thats not worth climbing.
Plus its not your risk with the virus its passing it to others thats the risk |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
Better than being dead though surely?
But from her post you can see that she got it and didn't die. As is the case with the vast majority. "
Not everyone is dying, the recovery rate is good but why kill a few thousand with a virus |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
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Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4 |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4"
I can’t even write a response to this |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4
I can’t even write a response to this"
Why?
Which bit is difficult to understand? If you have any FACTS to the contrary lets see them. |
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I personally think that at some time or another we are all going to get the virus. It's just the way it us given the long term duration it will be with us before a vaccine cabn be found if ever. What we have to remember is that 99.9 percent will come through this. Not saying its nothing ro worry about. But we keep hearing that of those who have died 99.9 percent had underlying health conditions. Suppose to make us feel better and not panic. Everyone will look at this with thier own personal circumstances and do the best they can etc. It took 5 years to find a vaccine to Ebola and Jo vaccine for HIV. Just drugs to supress etc. Maybe that will be the initial way for this virus. Only time will tell. Keep safe |
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"Loads in Tesco's yesterday evening.
Absolutely no idea how to negotiate a one way shopping system and no idea about social distancing!
Twice I actually had people brush against me whilst reaching for goods. I exercised amazing will power I can tell you!
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Exercising will power is normally a good thing but these idiots need telling loudly |
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A couple of the big house building companies are gearing up to start up again next week and the week after so it looks like the return to work is starting across some none essential industries.
Hope it doesn't cause the curve to grow again |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4"
The average person is not healthy. You could have underlining health conditions without knowing. And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them. |
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"A couple of the big house building companies are gearing up to start up again next week and the week after so it looks like the return to work is starting across some none essential industries.
Hope it doesn't cause the curve to grow again"
I'd say it's certain
And a neccetity
I hope all the maths are wrong and that 40 million of us have had it
However the exponential growth was halted not naturally but by lock down therefore......
If you cannot bear another wave then vote for a permanent lockdown for at least 100 months xxxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get that but people are pretending nothing is happening
I don't think they are
Want to see my inbox where people tell me its nothing and why I should meet?"
Perhaps lusty fab messages aren't a good indicator of people in general |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4
The average person is not healthy. You could have underlining health conditions without knowing. And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them."
Has the 80 15 5 statistic changed
80 percent ok 15 need hospital 5 die?
That does suggest statistically speaking where cov-sars2 is concerned 80 percent is a majority?
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I'm lucky as we have good network of friends and we been keeping in contact with. Also we all usual online gaming so another way of keeping in contact. I really do want this lockdown over but done in a right way eg have a game plan in place but our asinine government seem to be making it up as they go along and not looking at examples on how others countries dealt with the pandemic. Also doesn't help the conflicting reports from the mainstream media to fit there own political learning agendas. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"A couple of the big house building companies are gearing up to start up again next week and the week after so it looks like the return to work is starting across some none essential industries.
Hope it doesn't cause the curve to grow again
I'd say it's certain
And a neccetity
I hope all the maths are wrong and that 40 million of us have had it
However the exponential growth was halted not naturally but by lock down therefore......
If you cannot bear another wave then vote for a permanent lockdown for at least 100 months xxxx"
Yep the goal has always been to keep numbers low enough for the NHS to cope, the peak has been artificially achieved and so you can expect another rise as rules are relaxed.  |
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" And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them."
So why are you not protecting them from the effects of air pollution which kills 40,000 a year. Are you demanding vehicles stop driving in towns and cities.
If not why not? Are they lesser deaths? |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Proper rush hour traffic this morning tons more cars on the road.
This all seems to have been sparked by the announcement that B&Q re opening.
People are assuming it's all ok.
Reminder.
They have said that vaccine is unlikely to be ready before September at the earliest.
So what was dangerous three weeks ago will remain so until you get vaccinated assuming that will be available for everyone it will probably be 18 months before everyone gets done."
If they vaccinated 100,000 a day it would take around 2 years to do the UK population.
And there's still no guarantee a vaccine will be found or that it will be effective given that multiple strains have been identified.
Could you survive 2 years with no job, no income, limited freedom of movement, no interaction with family.........because whilst many say they're able to lockdown for as long as possible that's the timescale you may be looking at.
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4"
I agree.
It is scary how many have short term memories, england and wales 2015 flu season had over 28,000 extra deaths due to a non effective flu vaccine and we didn't screw up the economy and people lives then, the death toll from this will be immense. Everyone is watching Sweden's results very closely right now...
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"Yep the goal has always been to keep numbers low enough for the NHS to cope, the peak has been artificially achieved and so you can expect another rise as rules are relaxed. "
True but the lockdown was based on the flawed paper by Neil Ferguson's team at Imperial College. Now shown to be grossly flawed. The emergency Nightingale hospital in London had 19 patients in it over the busy Easter weekend and Croydon ICU was running at 46% capacity. Other London trusts were running at around 90% but none were overwhelmed.
Source: Health Service Journal
CV19 (in the UK) can only be stopped by 'herd immunity' or a vaccine (many months away). Sweden has not locked down (just tried to protect the vulnerable) and their deaths per million are less than ours. |
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"Yep the goal has always been to keep numbers low enough for the NHS to cope, the peak has been artificially achieved and so you can expect another rise as rules are relaxed.
True but the lockdown was based on the flawed paper by Neil Ferguson's team at Imperial College. Now shown to be grossly flawed. The emergency Nightingale hospital in London had 19 patients in it over the busy Easter weekend and Croydon ICU was running at 46% capacity. Other London trusts were running at around 90% but none were overwhelmed.
Source: Health Service Journal
CV19 (in the UK) can only be stopped by 'herd immunity' or a vaccine (many months away). Sweden has not locked down (just tried to protect the vulnerable) and their deaths per million are less than ours."
Ummmm why do you think those hospitals were so under capacity???
Doesn't take a genius to workout that lockdown has worked.
And a question would it make you feel better to justify lockdown if all those hospitals where at maximum capacity???
The fact they are not is good news not bad!!!!
Look at it another way we are only a few weeks from the first reported death in the UK a guy in haslemere.
Now we are almost 20,000 in a few weeks or the capacity of the O2 arena.
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"Yep the goal has always been to keep numbers low enough for the NHS to cope, the peak has been artificially achieved and so you can expect another rise as rules are relaxed.
True but the lockdown was based on the flawed paper by Neil Ferguson's team at Imperial College. Now shown to be grossly flawed. The emergency Nightingale hospital in London had 19 patients in it over the busy Easter weekend and Croydon ICU was running at 46% capacity. Other London trusts were running at around 90% but none were overwhelmed.
Source: Health Service Journal
CV19 (in the UK) can only be stopped by 'herd immunity' or a vaccine (many months away). Sweden has not locked down (just tried to protect the vulnerable) and their deaths per million are less than ours."
It is fact that the virus is spread through contact... reducing contact reduces the virus ... that is undisputable
So saying sweden didn’t lock down and have lower deaths per million is not a suitable argument for not locking down, all it does is highlight that the demographics , and population density of the 2 countries are not the same and there are other factors at play than just stay home or dont
If sweden did lock down they could have reduced their number even further, if britain had taken the same approach (as we did at the start with the happy birthday and only stay home if you are vulnerable option) our rate would be even higher |
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By *ookMan
over a year ago
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Ok lots of good points here... my thoughts are....
1.Do what we are told to fucking do... don’t argue just fucking do it you numpties that are questioning and trying to get around it... just wait a few more weeks. Don’t read the daily mail and use that as your fact sheet. Many people think it’s done... sun is out ... let’s go for a walk or little fucking drive about...!!!! It doesn’t apply to me...etc etc.
2. Try and be sensible when shopping and nice even... twice now I have nearly had fights with people whilst calmly standing in line 2 meters apart... do not put yourself or me at risk by standing too close behind me in the fucking line!
Do not ask me if I speak or understand english relating to the signs in Aldi... yes I do and i will move forward when I feel safe and appropiate to do so. I hear that certain groups are affected... perhaps government needs to issue rules in different languages..? Just a thought?
3. Finally an observation... and not at all racist but an observation based on living in an ethnicly diverse area of East London... what is it about the rules and social distancing that some ethnic groups do not understand!!!? Seriously we all want this over ASAP... leaning over me in supermarket, standing around in groups dressed in shite sports direct ‘ uniform’ ... wouldn’t wish it on you but seriously people wakey fucking wakey... ok rant over
Stay safe everyone...follow the rules !!! Use common sense... hopefully over soon |
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"I personally think that at some time or another we are all going to get the virus. It's just the way it us given the long term duration it will be with us before a vaccine cabn be found if ever. What we have to remember is that 99.9 percent will come through this. Not saying its nothing ro worry about. But we keep hearing that of those who have died 99.9 percent had underlying health conditions. Suppose to make us feel better and not panic. Everyone will look at this with thier own personal circumstances and do the best they can etc. It took 5 years to find a vaccine to Ebola and Jo vaccine for HIV. Just drugs to supress etc. Maybe that will be the initial way for this virus. Only time will tell. Keep safe "
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"I personally think that at some time or another we are all going to get the virus. It's just the way it us given the long term duration it will be with us before a vaccine cabn be found if ever. What we have to remember is that 99.9 percent will come through this. Not saying its nothing ro worry about. But we keep hearing that of those who have died 99.9 percent had underlying health conditions. Suppose to make us feel better and not panic. Everyone will look at this with thier own personal circumstances and do the best they can etc. It took 5 years to find a vaccine to Ebola and Jo vaccine for HIV. Just drugs to supress etc. Maybe that will be the initial way for this virus. Only time will tell. Keep safe
Excellent use of 99.9 entirely made up statistics there ... oh wait it was only 2! But 99.9 makes my point better so I am sticking with it "
There's also no vaccine for Ebola. There are experimental drugs but no cure.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/ebola/frequently-asked-questions/ebola-vaccine
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4
I agree.
It is scary how many have short term memories, england and wales 2015 flu season had over 28,000 extra deaths due to a non effective flu vaccine and we didn't screw up the economy and people lives then, the death toll from this will be immense. Everyone is watching Sweden's results very closely right now...
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The difference being we have enough existing research on the flu that risk based decisions could have been made and we knew roughly how long flu season would last , that the strain would likely die out and be replaced with another next year
This is a new virus, we don’t have that research, we don’t know how bad it could get unchecked, how long it could last, if it hits the hospitals too hard and hits the medical staff people will be dying of this and the general flu and anything else they would have been coming to hospital with
Besides 28000 over an entire flu season vs 20000 in only what 7 weeks... i sadly think we will top out that 28k easily |
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"Doesn't take a genius to workout that lockdown has worked.
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The lockdown may have 'flattened the curve' it will make very little difference to the overall deaths up until the point a vaccine becomes available. Most of the deaths that have occurred are elderly with co-morbidity.
However the lockdown is now having other non intended consequences with substantial increased deaths from those now not going to seek treatment for all sorts of conditions. Suicides are increasing, Mental health issues are soaring.
Millions who live 'hand to mouth' in the developing world will die of starvation as a result of our actions. 10,000 a day die everyday from starvation. This will increase massively. The garment workers in , for example, Bangladesh who supply Primark will not eat (it is that simple). Are they lesser deaths?
And if everyone is so convinced about lockdown my question remains why are you not looking to lockdown vehicles from your cities? Air pollution has killed 400,000 people in the last ten years.
Source: the Royal College of Physicians
It is just not logical to be arguing for one but not the other. The deaths from the economic melt down will probably far exceed the deaths from CV19 |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Doesn't take a genius to workout that lockdown has worked.
The lockdown may have 'flattened the curve' it will make very little difference to the overall deaths up until the point a vaccine becomes available. Most of the deaths that have occurred are elderly with co-morbidity.
However the lockdown is now having other non intended consequences with substantial increased deaths from those now not going to seek treatment for all sorts of conditions. Suicides are increasing, Mental health issues are soaring.
Millions who live 'hand to mouth' in the developing world will die of starvation as a result of our actions. 10,000 a day die everyday from starvation. This will increase massively. The garment workers in , for example, Bangladesh who supply Primark will not eat (it is that simple). Are they lesser deaths?
And if everyone is so convinced about lockdown my question remains why are you not looking to lockdown vehicles from your cities? Air pollution has killed 400,000 people in the last ten years.
Source: the Royal College of Physicians
It is just not logical to be arguing for one but not the other. The deaths from the economic melt down will probably far exceed the deaths from CV19"
Can’t answer that! I drive multiple dirty diesels etc lol |
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"Doesn't take a genius to workout that lockdown has worked.
The lockdown may have 'flattened the curve' it will make very little difference to the overall deaths up until the point a vaccine becomes available. Most of the deaths that have occurred are elderly with co-morbidity.
However the lockdown is now having other non intended consequences with substantial increased deaths from those now not going to seek treatment for all sorts of conditions. Suicides are increasing, Mental health issues are soaring.
Millions who live 'hand to mouth' in the developing world will die of starvation as a result of our actions. 10,000 a day die everyday from starvation. This will increase massively. The garment workers in , for example, Bangladesh who supply Primark will not eat (it is that simple). Are they lesser deaths?
And if everyone is so convinced about lockdown my question remains why are you not looking to lockdown vehicles from your cities? Air pollution has killed 400,000 people in the last ten years.
Source: the Royal College of Physicians
It is just not logical to be arguing for one but not the other. The deaths from the economic melt down will probably far exceed the deaths from CV19"
Apart from the fact that SARS-CoV-2 in 10 years without lockdown could kill much more than 400000 people, we actually lock polluting vehicles out of our main cities (ULEZ?) |
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By *ookMan
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West wales wife... or husband... ? are you seriously going on about air pollution? You live in west wales not central London! Yes pollution is bad and better now as we don’t have so many cars on the roads in cities etc...and yes it will probably get bad again when everyone starts driving again...but more importantly not sure if you noticed the world wide pandemic that’s happening at the moment ( just outside west wales)....important but perhaps for another day! |
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"Some people will always think they're untouchable...
"That'll never happen to me/us..."
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There in lies the problem! Yes it might only be mild for them but for someone like me shielding it’s deadly. But saying that it’s been reported healthy young fit people have died from it.
Peoples relaxed view on this is what worries me! |
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By *exySez84 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Some people will always think they're untouchable...
"That'll never happen to me/us..."
There in lies the problem! Yes it might only be mild for them but for someone like me shielding it’s deadly. But saying that it’s been reported healthy young fit people have died from it.
Peoples relaxed view on this is what worries me! "
As mentioned already you can be healthy but not know about an underlying condition. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4
The average person is not healthy. You could have underlining health conditions without knowing. And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them."
So they protect themselves by staying at home the rest of us allow it to spread slowly and so the virus has less hosts making it safer for the vulnerable. What dont you understand that this virus will never die out unless and until every single person in the world has been vaccinated, until that time life has to carry on, the death rate is tiny, lockdown is to slow the spread not stop it. |
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"Some people will always think they're untouchable...
"That'll never happen to me/us..."
There in lies the problem! Yes it might only be mild for them but for someone like me shielding it’s deadly. But saying that it’s been reported healthy young fit people have died from it.
Peoples relaxed view on this is what worries me!
As mentioned already you can be healthy but not know about an underlying condition. "
Exactly, as said many times anyone can be a victim |
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"Doesn't take a genius to workout that lockdown has worked.
The lockdown may have 'flattened the curve' it will make very little difference to the overall deaths up until the point a vaccine becomes available. Most of the deaths that have occurred are elderly with co-morbidity.
However the lockdown is now having other non intended consequences with substantial increased deaths from those now not going to seek treatment for all sorts of conditions. Suicides are increasing, Mental health issues are soaring.
Millions who live 'hand to mouth' in the developing world will die of starvation as a result of our actions. 10,000 a day die everyday from starvation. This will increase massively. The garment workers in , for example, Bangladesh who supply Primark will not eat (it is that simple). Are they lesser deaths?
And if everyone is so convinced about lockdown my question remains why are you not looking to lockdown vehicles from your cities? Air pollution has killed 400,000 people in the last ten years.
Source: the Royal College of Physicians
It is just not logical to be arguing for one but not the other. The deaths from the economic melt down will probably far exceed the deaths from CV19"
Flattened the curve. And that was exactly the idea?
So what number of deaths does it need to be taken more seriously than flu or pollution or starvation in Bangladesh??
I can't understand your logic here you seem to be grabbing at different sources of deaths to justify lifting the lockdown.
Shit you could probably list loads of different causes of deaths but it doesn't get away from it being a global pandemic.
And as for it only killing elderly people or people with Co morbidities, really? If you are going to use that argument then I throw it back at you saying that the same could be said of flu death's which people keep bringing up surely same principle?
But you are missing the point totally and this is the problem.
It's not just about the deaths it's about the sheer volume who require hospital treatment that is a massive problem.
Had they not flattened the curve then the amount of people in ICU and ultimately dying would grow exponentially once the hospital's reach capacity!!
So yes lockdown has worked and is needed to continue to work. |
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"Some people will always think they're untouchable...
"That'll never happen to me/us..."
There in lies the problem! Yes it might only be mild for them but for someone like me shielding it’s deadly. But saying that it’s been reported healthy young fit people have died from it.
Peoples relaxed view on this is what worries me!
As mentioned already you can be healthy but not know about an underlying condition.
Exactly, as said many times anyone can be a victim "
So what you are saying is it's fine for others to be essential workers and take the very small risk to keep you supplied with food and cared for in hospital etc but you arent prepared to take that risk for others. In that case isolate yourself until you think it's safe, you dont need to have any contact with one living person if you dont want to. |
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"Some people will always think they're untouchable...
"That'll never happen to me/us..."
There in lies the problem! Yes it might only be mild for them but for someone like me shielding it’s deadly. But saying that it’s been reported healthy young fit people have died from it.
Peoples relaxed view on this is what worries me!
As mentioned already you can be healthy but not know about an underlying condition.
Exactly, as said many times anyone can be a victim
So what you are saying is it's fine for others to be essential workers and take the very small risk to keep you supplied with food and cared for in hospital etc but you arent prepared to take that risk for others. In that case isolate yourself until you think it's safe, you dont need to have any contact with one living person if you dont want to. "
Trying to find where I said that?
I am very appreciative of all the key workers are doing, my husband being an essential worker too. My point is those still going for picnics in the park or bbq with people who do not live with them |
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"My issue with the vaccine, they have been working on a SARs vaccine for 18 years and not successful, but Covid-19 seems to be cracked in less than 6 months.
I don’t think we should hold our breath about it.
SARs was far more lethal but less contagious.
Ignoring lockdown doesn’t help anyone"
We don't have an effective vaccine yet, despite several trials underway. None of them may be effective or safe enough, following stringent testing and evaluation.
I'm assuming that we won't have mass vaccination this year and we'll have to rely on full testing and contact tracing with good quarantine, as we target the hot spots.
I'm another who's had people pushing past me in shops, sometimes letting their kids barge about, seemingly it's more important for some to claim their space than bother about the nations health |
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
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Wow!  As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
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and it's only going to get worse.
Dont think people think it wont happen to them... it's just some people have accepted that this is something that is here to stay... and to be honest lockdown is only a short term solution |
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
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My older brother suffers with a form of pyschosis and ocd and he’s found it hard. but he’s keeping on top of his meds and has found solidarity reading books.
Some people always think it doesn’t effect them or have a if you get it you get it attitude which is not good atall in this situation.
Those that have asked me to meet up I have decided to put on the block list because it makes me question if they actually take health of others seriously.
For those that are doing there bit staying at home. I’d like to thank for doing your part.
And congratulations to the key workers for doing what they do.
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"Yeah it’s a killer! End of! You take the risk then your very foolish "
FFS it kills around 1 % of people, cancer will affect 50% of us and kill around half of those, 1% of people in the UK die every year, everything we do is a risk, it's being going on 5 wks and already people are having issues with mental health, we are lucky that we have lots of space and work is carrying on as normal for me, but I can imagine what it's like in a tiny flat with young kids, hell!!. The answer is easy if you are that scared of a 1% risk or are in the vulnerable group stay indoors. The rest of us are prepared to take that tiny risk rather than see our lives and businesses destroyed. |
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
Viv "
I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death |
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"Yeah it’s a killer! End of! You take the risk then your very foolish
FFS it kills around 1 % of people, cancer will affect 50% of us and kill around half of those, 1% of people in the UK die every year, everything we do is a risk, it's being going on 5 wks and already people are having issues with mental health, we are lucky that we have lots of space and work is carrying on as normal for me, but I can imagine what it's like in a tiny flat with young kids, hell!!. The answer is easy if you are that scared of a 1% risk or are in the vulnerable group stay indoors. The rest of us are prepared to take that tiny risk rather than see our lives and businesses destroyed."
I dont really get the comparison to something non infectious that kills more ... just because something could be worse doesn’t mean you ignore the other
Its like saying terrorism kills more people than armed robbery so just stop trying to prosecute armed robbers ... it is possible to have 2 different issues, with 2 different circumstances and 2 different strategies running concurrently |
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
Viv
I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death "
Suicide comment. We (in a team that works with mental health), are seeing more people who have never had mental health issues having psychotic episodes or attempting suicide.
People are not seeing how easy it is for anyone to trigger an episode! Anyone has the ability to have mental health issues. So not contagious but serious |
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I dont really get the comparison to something non infectious that kills more ... just because something could be worse doesn’t mean you ignore the other
Its like saying terrorism kills more people than armed robbery so just stop trying to prosecute armed robbers ... it is possible to have 2 different issues, with 2 different circumstances and 2 different strategies running concurrently "
But do you worry yourself sick over cancer or heart disease etc, of course everyone thinks it's possible corvid19 might kill me, IMVHO there is no choice we have to achieve herd immunity to protect those who are at high risk, there is simply no other way, of course there could be a miracle cure found tomorrow but it's highly unlikely and therefore if we try and enforce the lockdown the deaths from other causes will be far higher and the virus will still be here, every death is a tragedy for those close to that victim and I'm not for a minute ignoring that fact but we have to think of the greater good. There isnt a single government that is saying we can get rid of the virus or that lockdown can go on for a extended period, tracing and isolation isnt practical in a population of 65 million, the one hope is the antibody test that will be a game changer.
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
Viv
I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death
Suicide comment. We (in a team that works with mental health), are seeing more people who have never had mental health issues having psychotic episodes or attempting suicide.
People are not seeing how easy it is for anyone to trigger an episode! Anyone has the ability to have mental health issues. So not contagious but serious"
And this is the issue with the lockdown. Its going to cause this issue to rise more... and this is something people seem to be failing to grasp much more than the virus being dangerous..which it is but I as yet the death rate isnt even 1% of the population... if they tested everyone then there would be a better idea too.
Mental health was almost the forgotten area before all this... and like the OP I'm seeing first hand the amount of people suffering now x this is what people are meaning when they say you have to weigh up when the cure is worse than the disease... there is also an increase of deaths or serious injury in domestic violence incidents currently. |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Amount of times I have people say “I’m fit and healthy”
Its important people know they can have it without knowing and showing symptoms.
Not just on here but in general life I am seeing this daily.
I really want lockdown over but it will last longer at this rate especially with people ignoring whats been asked
Please stay home and stay safe
Thank you to those that do and those who are still working
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That’s the point
I think people do understand the risks.
In that, the risk of dying is fantastically low if you’re reasonably fit.
People completely disregard 0.5% chances of things going wrong in every health related choice they make every day
Actually I hope that what happens here is that people make an assessment of what they feel the personal risk to them and those that they may come in to contact with really is. And if those people are significantly older or frailer act accordingly.
The upshot of this is that people that have spent their lives neglecting their health, the overweight majority, the smokers, the sedentary and the pie lovers will realise that the NHS may not always be there to bail them out in times of disease brought about by insensible lifestyle choices..
Everyone has a responsible to look after themselves, and in improving their own health will benefit everyone in the population.
Flattening the curve equals lengthening the curve. The numbers of people that are infected/die will not be changed by any government policy or guidelines. |
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
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I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death "
I just don’t think that one should be compared to the other. I’m probably sensitive as my friend killed himself on his dad (and my best friend ever) death anniversary. I spent 7 months at the end of the phone, stopped three attempts and ended up losing him anyway. That’s seven months of watching someone you love deteriorate. At the same time as watching my mum trying to stop my brother take the same path (luckily he’s battling on). Mental health is still a killer. Hopefully in focusing on one we don’t lose sight of the other xx |
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"Khan said that it will be lockdown to the end of the year. when have they said that.????"
I was googling about lockdown and this came up
"The next year or 18 months we are not going to be living like we were before".
"I think there are still too many people leaving home to go to work when they shouldn’t be doing so,” he said"
He also said that "london could follow paris in banning outdoor exercise during the daytime but said it was important people didn’t “sunbathe, have barbecues at the park or play team sports"
Lets hope that the timeline will be less than that.
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
Viv
I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death
Suicide comment. We (in a team that works with mental health), are seeing more people who have never had mental health issues having psychotic episodes or attempting suicide.
People are not seeing how easy it is for anyone to trigger an episode! Anyone has the ability to have mental health issues. So not contagious but serious
And this is the issue with the lockdown. Its going to cause this issue to rise more... and this is something people seem to be failing to grasp much more than the virus being dangerous..which it is but I as yet the death rate isnt even 1% of the population... if they tested everyone then there would be a better idea too.
Mental health was almost the forgotten area before all this... and like the OP I'm seeing first hand the amount of people suffering now x this is what people are meaning when they say you have to weigh up when the cure is worse than the disease... there is also an increase of deaths or serious injury in domestic violence incidents currently. "
My daughter, through no fault of her own, is aggressive. She is severely autistic and being on lockdown and all routine has gone. She lost her care package Jan, as they pulled- inadequate staffing- and so went to one night respite a week, this has been stopped as well. She is aggressive towards me (damaged my arm and shoulder) and self harms, she has smashed and damaged so many thing in our home, but we can’t do anything as she’s vulnerable and unable to adapt. I’ve been in tears, explaining to my youngest not to be frightened, that it’s only mummy she hurts- I remember hearing my mum say that about my dad. I dread to think about those poor men, women and children who are trapped within abusive households xx |
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"Its not easy for anyone. I work in mental health and we have people with no previous issues who are becoming depressed or psychotic.
This is my concern. I live alone, I haven't seen any friends in person for weeks, my children or grandchildren. I haven't met my partner as we live in separate households. I am ok so far but, have felt flat in mood. I'm happy to social distance but, need to see some plan to see some way out."
I can relate with the flat mood. Since I enjoy my shopping trips, I decided to go shopping weekly instead of fortnightly. It worked. |
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
Viv
I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death
I just don’t think that one should be compared to the other. I’m probably sensitive as my friend killed himself on his dad (and my best friend ever) death anniversary. I spent 7 months at the end of the phone, stopped three attempts and ended up losing him anyway. That’s seven months of watching someone you love deteriorate. At the same time as watching my mum trying to stop my brother take the same path (luckily he’s battling on). Mental health is still a killer. Hopefully in focusing on one we don’t lose sight of the other xx"
The comparison had already been made by many earlier posters and they were merely voicing their opinion on it ... unfortunately in the current times, the fall of one may lead to a rise in the other so its a natural contrast to draw
I am very sorry for your loss , i dont doubt that it has been painful and is a horrid experience to go through, i was just trying to say, from an objective view, i dont think the post that upset you was intended to upset or to disregard suicide deaths |
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"The medical guy in the briefing said the vaccine or drugs to fight C19 won't be available for 12 months.
We cannot seriously stay in lockdown that long so we need to understand what the plan is to exit lockdown
If shops like b&q are opening to the public then they are inviting people to leave their houses
To shop for an essential light shade?"
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"My daughter in law died 2 weeks ago and in 4 weeks had been out once to a hospital appointment
So where did she pick it up from no one knows "
Sorry to hear that, most likey the hospital on travelling to and from.
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" Better than being dead though surely?
Depends if you think the suicide rate increase beats the rate of death from Covid-19
I hope that no one dies but unfortunately they will.
If someone dies of COVID-19 there is a chance that they will have spread it amongst the population.
If they die from Mental Health, they won't have.
Wow! As someone who has had to deal with the first death anniversary of a best friend who died from suicide, whilst I’m stuck in on lockdown, I’m astounded anyone could say that. Compassion for everyone should exist, mental health issues are bad enough without people suggesting that if they do die, at least they won’t have spread the virus
Ever been to an inquest? I was a nurse who had colleagues go to them, over deaths of every type, but nothing could prepare me for having to give evidence at the death of a loved one. Believe me, if someone you love does through it, you’ll change your view point
Please, don’t suggest one death has less impact than another. It’s just not so.
Viv
I dont think they were suggesting they don’t have compassion for people that did from suicide , its sad no matter how someone dies
What i took from their point was if someone dies from the virus chances are they also infected even more people who will die
Mental illness is not contagious so the suicide death wont have the same potential to spread and cause a larger number of deaths
Obviously either death is just as sad to the family and friends, its just with one not only is there perhaps a better chance to save them, a lower number of families *should* be directly impacted by that specific death
I just don’t think that one should be compared to the other. I’m probably sensitive as my friend killed himself on his dad (and my best friend ever) death anniversary. I spent 7 months at the end of the phone, stopped three attempts and ended up losing him anyway. That’s seven months of watching someone you love deteriorate. At the same time as watching my mum trying to stop my brother take the same path (luckily he’s battling on). Mental health is still a killer. Hopefully in focusing on one we don’t lose sight of the other xx
The comparison had already been made by many earlier posters and they were merely voicing their opinion on it ... unfortunately in the current times, the fall of one may lead to a rise in the other so its a natural contrast to draw
I am very sorry for your loss , i dont doubt that it has been painful and is a horrid experience to go through, i was just trying to say, from an objective view, i dont think the post that upset you was intended to upset or to disregard suicide deaths "
I get that, and thank you xx |
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I dont really get the comparison to something non infectious that kills more ... just because something could be worse doesn’t mean you ignore the other
Its like saying terrorism kills more people than armed robbery so just stop trying to prosecute armed robbers ... it is possible to have 2 different issues, with 2 different circumstances and 2 different strategies running concurrently
But do you worry yourself sick over cancer or heart disease etc, of course everyone thinks it's possible corvid19 might kill me, IMVHO there is no choice we have to achieve herd immunity to protect those who are at high risk, there is simply no other way, of course there could be a miracle cure found tomorrow but it's highly unlikely and therefore if we try and enforce the lockdown the deaths from other causes will be far higher and the virus will still be here, every death is a tragedy for those close to that victim and I'm not for a minute ignoring that fact but we have to think of the greater good. There isnt a single government that is saying we can get rid of the virus or that lockdown can go on for a extended period, tracing and isolation isnt practical in a population of 65 million, the one hope is the antibody test that will be a game changer.
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I dont worry myself sick over cancer, I don’t worry myself sick over covid either... i take the advised precautions but I am not at home sick with the stress of it, the way that some people seem to be over the state of the economy
What is going to be will be, and more of us will get through it than not and sitting at home fretting about either the illness or my money is not going to make the experience any shorter , better or the outcome different
I understand it is your VHO that herd immunity is the only way, however we pay experts an awful lot of money for their opinion And actually there are many ways , herd immunity, social distance, vaccines, track and trace
If you think for a minute a Tory government who for every other time in history have been bashed as only caring about money , have suddenly flipped to only caring about peoples lives then IMVHO you are naive
It has never been suggested that we will be in total lockdown for the full year, we are not even 6 weeks in yet and its pure speculation, i dont see how your fear that we will be in all year is any less rationale than others fears of the illness itself
What we will probably see is social distancing *to a degree* for a year or perhaps more yes but that Doesnt mean full lockdown or a closed economy for a year
Like i said there are multiple options, herd immunity, vaccines, social distancing, test and trace... there will be a time for all of them, not necessarily mutually exclusive either . ... maybe lets let the experts decide when each are appropriate
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" And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them.
So why are you not protecting them from the effects of air pollution which kills 40,000 a year. Are you demanding vehicles stop driving in towns and cities.
If not why not? Are they lesser deaths?"
40000 deaths involving COVID-19 in India. Complete lock down.
Over one million deaths annually in India involving air / dust / vehicle emissions and no measures brought in to reduce that pollution.
And it’s the same to some extent or other across the world.
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" And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them.
So why are you not protecting them from the effects of air pollution which kills 40,000 a year. Are you demanding vehicles stop driving in towns and cities.
If not why not? Are they lesser deaths?
40000 deaths involving COVID-19 in India. Complete lock down.
Over one million deaths annually in India involving air / dust / vehicle emissions and no measures brought in to reduce that pollution.
And it’s the same to some extent or other across the world.
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So now India is our benchmark for health and safety?
We do have measures to reduce pollution that includes things like banning cars etc
Anyway I don't understand your point.
Should we ignore anything that (supposedly) kills less than pollution? (covid19 kills much more) |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4"
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Amount of times I have people say “I’m fit and healthy”
Its important people know they can have it without knowing and showing symptoms.
Not just on here but in general life I am seeing this daily.
I really want lockdown over but it will last longer at this rate especially with people ignoring whats been asked
Please stay home and stay safe
Thank you to those that do and those who are still working
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You make a good point, but in a free democracy and globally connected population such as the UK, sadly when other world leaders behave with cavalier, dismissive and frankly nonsensical approaches (hopefully no need to name the idiots) it’s hard to deliver consistent compliance on home soil. |
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"I’m shocked by the number of people who don’t seem to understand the risks from this virus!
Which for the average healthy person is negligible. Period.
All the data is now showing that CV19 is on average no worse than flu (don't shout at me) that information is from (amongst many others) Dr John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
The lockdown is now proven to be causing many other deaths itself as well as ongoing issues such as child abuse and domestic violence.
Furthermore around 40,000 deaths every year in the UK attributable to air pollution according to the Royal College of Physicians and not a single vehicle under lockdown. No hysteria about it either; funny how mainstream media doesn't report the cumulative total of those deaths. Are these lesser deaths?
The sooner people wake up and realise that it is all totally irrational and that the economy has been trashed for no good reason the better. The scariest thing has been watching the ridiculous hysteria and panic.
And please do watch what Professor Ioannidis has to say. As I'm probably not allowed to post a link Google for Youtube and spend an hour educating yourself rather than listening to the ridiculous media.
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4"
So he's smarter than the rest of the world combined then
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" And anyway I think that life of people with hypertension or 65+ still has value and we have to protect them.
So why are you not protecting them from the effects of air pollution which kills 40,000 a year. Are you demanding vehicles stop driving in towns and cities.
If not why not? Are they lesser deaths?
40000 deaths involving COVID-19 in India. Complete lock down.
Over one million deaths annually in India involving air / dust / vehicle emissions and no measures brought in to reduce that pollution.
And it’s the same to some extent or other across the world.
So now India is our benchmark for health and safety?
We do have measures to reduce pollution that includes things like banning cars etc
Anyway I don't understand your point.
Should we ignore anything that (supposedly) kills less than pollution? (covid19 kills much more)"
Yes that’s right - COVID-19 kills much more than pollution - pmsl
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