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Looks like France are adopting a France first policy when it comes to looking after their citizens during the pandemic.
Despite being urged by the EU not to block exports of drugs and medicines they have ignored this and have imposed a block on distributors exporting from France. This includes antibiotics, painkillers, sedatives and muscle relaxants, as well as several drugs being tested as possible treatments for COVID-19, including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir.
The curbs also apply to insulin, which is vital to millions of people with diabetes across Europe.
This is a block on exports to all countries outside of France
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Every Government puts its own citizens first or tries too, you don’t get re-elected otherwise! Problem is during normal times these same governments fail to support domestic supply chains so we end up reliant on international supply chains that can be cut off overnight in a crisis!  |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"Looks like France are adopting a France first policy when it comes to looking after their citizens during the pandemic.
Despite being urged by the EU not to block exports of drugs and medicines they have ignored this and have imposed a block on distributors exporting from France. This includes antibiotics, painkillers, sedatives and muscle relaxants, as well as several drugs being tested as possible treatments for COVID-19, including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir.
The curbs also apply to insulin, which is vital to millions of people with diabetes across Europe.
This is a block on exports to all countries outside of France
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The uk restricted exports on remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir. (anti virals) back in March?
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"A very natural response.
We're all the same, it's yourself and family first at stressful times, only when you've got capacity do you then help others."
Course it is but its always nice to have an irony free swipe at our European neighbours. |
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"Looks like France are adopting a France first policy when it comes to looking after their citizens during the pandemic.
Despite being urged by the EU not to block exports of drugs and medicines they have ignored this and have imposed a block on distributors exporting from France. This includes antibiotics, painkillers, sedatives and muscle relaxants, as well as several drugs being tested as possible treatments for COVID-19, including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir.
The curbs also apply to insulin, which is vital to millions of people with diabetes across Europe.
This is a block on exports to all countries outside of France
The uk restricted exports on remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir. (anti virals) back in March?
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Parallel exports , and only 3 drugs
The french export block appears to be on a much wider range including drugs which are not in short supply |
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"Looks like France are adopting a France first policy when it comes to looking after their citizens during the pandemic.
Despite being urged by the EU not to block exports of drugs and medicines they have ignored this and have imposed a block on distributors exporting from France. This includes antibiotics, painkillers, sedatives and muscle relaxants, as well as several drugs being tested as possible treatments for COVID-19, including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir.
The curbs also apply to insulin, which is vital to millions of people with diabetes across Europe.
This is a block on exports to all countries outside of France
The uk restricted exports on remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir. (anti virals) back in March?
Parallel exports , and only 3 drugs
The french export block appears to be on a much wider range including drugs which are not in short supply "
If they arent in short supply why does it matter
Give it 6 months til we run out of the other and the narrative will change to look why didnt we do what france was doing way back then |
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"Looks like France are adopting a France first policy when it comes to looking after their citizens during the pandemic.
Despite being urged by the EU not to block exports of drugs and medicines they have ignored this and have imposed a block on distributors exporting from France. This includes antibiotics, painkillers, sedatives and muscle relaxants, as well as several drugs being tested as possible treatments for COVID-19, including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir.
The curbs also apply to insulin, which is vital to millions of people with diabetes across Europe.
This is a block on exports to all countries outside of France
The uk restricted exports on remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir. (anti virals) back in March?
Parallel exports , and only 3 drugs
The french export block appears to be on a much wider range including drugs which are not in short supply
If they arent in short supply why does it matter
Give it 6 months til we run out of the other and the narrative will change to look why didnt we do what france was doing way back then "
The narrative isn’t about U.K. We have left the Eu.
Eu advised members not to block exports, so they could help each other/ move drugs to members that needed etc.
Despite further requests from Eu not to block, France has blocked exports . The short supply reference was pertinent as France are ok for stock on a wide range of drugs, so why block them as well, thereby preventing them being exported to other Eu members who may be running low or may need help.
France appear to be making a stand on their own contrary to the other Eu members and against the request of the Eu
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"Looks like France are adopting a France first policy when it comes to looking after their citizens during the pandemic.
Despite being urged by the EU not to block exports of drugs and medicines they have ignored this and have imposed a block on distributors exporting from France. This includes antibiotics, painkillers, sedatives and muscle relaxants, as well as several drugs being tested as possible treatments for COVID-19, including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir.
The curbs also apply to insulin, which is vital to millions of people with diabetes across Europe.
This is a block on exports to all countries outside of France
The uk restricted exports on remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and ritonavir. (anti virals) back in March?
Parallel exports , and only 3 drugs
The french export block appears to be on a much wider range including drugs which are not in short supply "
Parallel exports:
Yeah medicines intended for the distribution in the uk which are then redirected to the Eu?
So i don't understand your point?
I.e the uk banned this first. Those
anti viral drugs are sars mers and ebola and maleria treatments. Everything China was using to treat the virus at the start of the outbreak
Expect further bans from the uk to come in as more and more drug supplies run low.
Lots of people need drug for other pre existing medical conditions outside of the virus.
And if you are wondering why the uk has so many medicines stock piled compared to the eu...Brexit.
Drug supplies where not only allows to hoard medicine prior to this there was a strategic plans in place to increase stock piles.
Yeah the government saw supply chains being fucked when the inevitable no deal or at least crap deal gets passed
But no genius in government thought... oh you China and India where these drugs are manufactured. Shit is hitting the fan there maybe we should order some along with basic ppe like face masks and gloves.
The Eu is putting in a bulk order in for these things and asking us to join in... What I shame the government left there out office email reply on.
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Its a governments job to do what they can for their people.
Turkey aren't selling us PPE because they like us, we are the highest bidder. If Italy needed the ppe more than us we still would have bought it
I would have expected the EU to be more vocal regarding advice and guidance around the virus |
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?"
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
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Mate how many times are you going to mention the 60 ventilators Germany were reported as sending? its appeared on half a dozen threads ive read of yours.I know you love the beloved fatherland but you forget to mention that they put a ban on exporting medical supply's until they were told it was illegal under eu rules and could destroy their eu dream.  |
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
Mate how many times are you going to mention the 60 ventilators Germany were reported as sending? its appeared on half a dozen threads ive read of yours.I know you love the beloved fatherland but you forget to mention that they put a ban on exporting medical supply's until they were told it was illegal under eu rules and could destroy their eu dream. "
If my memory serves me correctly..3. |
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
Mate how many times are you going to mention the 60 ventilators Germany were reported as sending? its appeared on half a dozen threads ive read of yours.I know you love the beloved fatherland but you forget to mention that they put a ban on exporting medical supply's until they were told it was illegal under eu rules and could destroy their eu dream. "
So it seems that EU serves its purpose?
Who will tell EU countries to not stop exports to UK? No one.
At least if they try to stop exports to other EU countries measures can be taken and the situation can be fixed. If you are alone you have 0 chances of success in these situations. |
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
Mate how many times are you going to mention the 60 ventilators Germany were reported as sending? its appeared on half a dozen threads ive read of yours.I know you love the beloved fatherland but you forget to mention that they put a ban on exporting medical supply's until they were told it was illegal under eu rules and could destroy their eu dream.
So it seems that EU serves its purpose?
Who will tell EU countries to not stop exports to UK? No one.
At least if they try to stop exports to other EU countries measures can be taken and the situation can be fixed. If you are alone you have 0 chances of success in these situations."
France have said “non” to repeated requests to lift the block - so I guess the situation for the other Eu countries isn’t fixed . And France may be facing legal action ...
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
Mate how many times are you going to mention the 60 ventilators Germany were reported as sending? its appeared on half a dozen threads ive read of yours.I know you love the beloved fatherland but you forget to mention that they put a ban on exporting medical supply's until they were told it was illegal under eu rules and could destroy their eu dream.
So it seems that EU serves its purpose?
Who will tell EU countries to not stop exports to UK? No one.
At least if they try to stop exports to other EU countries measures can be taken and the situation can be fixed. If you are alone you have 0 chances of success in these situations.
France have said “non” to repeated requests to lift the block - so I guess the situation for the other Eu countries isn’t fixed . And France may be facing legal action ...
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It will keep the eu court busy what with action against Hungry and possibly poland and the czech rep too.  |
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"Where is the EU dream we was told to stay in?
That sentence doesmt make senseActually it does, we were told to stop in for unity, Where is it now?
Well you could take in the eu procurement scheme.
You could factor in Germany's generous donation of the ventilators.
Without a doubt there has been lots of cooperation behind the scenes.
Giving 1 specific example is not a reason to damm the whole system.
Mate how many times are you going to mention the 60 ventilators Germany were reported as sending? its appeared on half a dozen threads ive read of yours.I know you love the beloved fatherland but you forget to mention that they put a ban on exporting medical supply's until they were told it was illegal under eu rules and could destroy their eu dream.
So it seems that EU serves its purpose?
Who will tell EU countries to not stop exports to UK? No one.
At least if they try to stop exports to other EU countries measures can be taken and the situation can be fixed. If you are alone you have 0 chances of success in these situations.
France have said “non” to repeated requests to lift the block - so I guess the situation for the other Eu countries isn’t fixed . And France may be facing legal action ...
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I don't think there is any EU country in immediate trouble at the moment regarding shortage of anything.
Many other EU countries the blocked exports lifted their bans after EU intervention. Also France is one of the worst hit countries at the moment. |
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What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks. |
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks."
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks.
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing."
doing what they want but going to go to court for it is a bit different from doing what you want without being taken to court. |
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks.
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing.doing what they want but going to go to court for it is a bit different from doing what you want without being taken to court. "
Hey, guess what, you can shut borders too....who would of think it!! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks.
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing.doing what they want but going to go to court for it is a bit different from doing what you want without being taken to court.
Hey, guess what, you can shut borders too....who would of think it!!"
yeah happens to be a pandemic on cant do it normally without breaking eu law . |
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As time goes on it will become so obvious we were conned but people will contort themselves mentally to deny it. The major players will start to distance themselves from their part in the con. We had a marvelous deal,not in Schengen, our own currency and nothing happened in the EU without our say so. The government's response to this virus is a preamble to the complete shambles we are gonna face going forward. Whatever happens, the diehards are so entrenched they will never admit they are wrong. |
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks.
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing.doing what they want but going to go to court for it is a bit different from doing what you want without being taken to court.
Hey, guess what, you can shut borders too....who would of think it!!yeah happens to be a pandemic on cant do it normally without breaking eu law ."
Illustrating my point beautifully, you carry on though fella. Give that blue passport a big cuddle  |
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks.
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing.doing what they want but going to go to court for it is a bit different from doing what you want without being taken to court.
Hey, guess what, you can shut borders too....who would of think it!!yeah happens to be a pandemic on cant do it normally without breaking eu law ."
Correct, what is your point? |
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"What's that? Another example of a country deciding what it wants to do, and the all powerful EU regime not being able to stop them?
Almost like the 'we need freedom, the EU controls our lives' Brexit propaganda was a load of bollocks.
You have to admire and marvel at the people who despise the EU. 'We are controlled, it's a monopoly'....'Look at the French, doing what they want, that's terrible'
Reminds me of Tommy Cooper when he did that half and half character thing.doing what they want but going to go to court for it is a bit different from doing what you want without being taken to court. "
Have France been taken to court ? |
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By *ostafunMan
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"As time goes on it will become so obvious we were conned but people will contort themselves mentally to deny it. The major players will start to distance themselves from their part in the con. We had a marvelous deal,not in Schengen, our own currency and nothing happened in the EU without our say so. The government's response to this virus is a preamble to the complete shambles we are gonna face going forward. Whatever happens, the diehards are so entrenched they will never admit they are wrong. "
Maybe you are right only time will tell but still no need to post only half the story. Free movement of people and goods in the eu is the principle of it so your post about shutting boarders only applies because of the emergency.
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"As time goes on it will become so obvious we were conned but people will contort themselves mentally to deny it. The major players will start to distance themselves from their part in the con. We had a marvelous deal,not in Schengen, our own currency and nothing happened in the EU without our say so. The government's response to this virus is a preamble to the complete shambles we are gonna face going forward. Whatever happens, the diehards are so entrenched they will never admit they are wrong. "
It’s far easier to fool a man than to get him to admit he was fooled. |
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By *ostafunMan
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic."
What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are.
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are. "
Testing? Better reporting? Less deaths per day? Isn't this enough? |
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are. "
Italy and Spain have struggled as they were the first European countries to get hit by the virus. Belgium, France, Germany are all coping better than the UK due to an early and more stringent lockdown and considerably more testing . |
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are.
Italy and Spain have struggled as they were the first European countries to get hit by the virus. Belgium, France, Germany are all coping better than the UK due to an early and more stringent lockdown and considerably more testing . "
you are only right about Germany which i never mentioned but france and belgium have higher death rates per million people in fact for a small population it is very much higher in belgium . |
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are.
Italy and Spain have struggled as they were the first European countries to get hit by the virus. Belgium, France, Germany are all coping better than the UK due to an early and more stringent lockdown and considerably more testing . "
Belgium is about double the death rate per population than the UK.
Germany locked down the 22nd March. The day before the UK did. Germany have done better because they already had the testing facilities and the population actually do as they are asked. |
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are.
Italy and Spain have struggled as they were the first European countries to get hit by the virus. Belgium, France, Germany are all coping better than the UK due to an early and more stringent lockdown and considerably more testing .
Belgium is about double the death rate per population than the UK.
Germany locked down the 22nd March. The day before the UK did. Germany have done better because they already had the testing facilities and the population actually do as they are asked."
belgium has also tested double the people per million too so not sure how more testing is helping them.  |
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are.
Italy and Spain have struggled as they were the first European countries to get hit by the virus. Belgium, France, Germany are all coping better than the UK due to an early and more stringent lockdown and considerably more testing . you are only right about Germany which i never mentioned but france and belgium have higher death rates per million people in fact for a small population it is very much higher in belgium ."
Unfortunately we haven’t reached our peak, if we are judging success or failure purely on the number of deaths then we will have to wait 12 months before we can make a comparison |
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"As the reality of our situation dawns on us people are clutching at every straw they can to slag off the EU, it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.What are countries like Italy ,Spain,Belgium,Holland,France doing any better than the uk? i think you are clutching at straws if you think they are.
Italy and Spain have struggled as they were the first European countries to get hit by the virus. Belgium, France, Germany are all coping better than the UK due to an early and more stringent lockdown and considerably more testing . you are only right about Germany which i never mentioned but france and belgium have higher death rates per million people in fact for a small population it is very much higher in belgium .
Unfortunately we haven’t reached our peak, if we are judging success or failure purely on the number of deaths then we will have to wait 12 months before we can make a comparison "
That is very true i was just dispelling the myth that other eu countries are doing better than the uk because they are in the eu.I totally agree with you and was listening to a guy on the radio who seemed to think that herd immunity will be the only way out of this and whatever countries do they will all have a similar outcome in the end.Its ok stopping it now in some countries but if enough people have not had it they will get hit hard again when the world reopens with a second wave.Think he has a programme on chanel four on sunday which should be interesting. |
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"That is very true i was just dispelling the myth that other eu countries are doing better than the uk because they are in the eu.I totally agree with you and was listening to a guy on the radio who seemed to think that herd immunity will be the only way out of this and whatever countries do they will all have a similar outcome in the end.Its ok stopping it now in some countries but if enough people have not had it they will get hit hard again when the world reopens with a second wave.Think he has a programme on chanel four on sunday which should be interesting. "
The only two ways out of this are drugs effective in treating the virus or herd immunity, the only way to achieve herd immunity is through an effective vaccine. There is no evidence yet to say that people who have had Covid 19 build up an effective immunity to it. |
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France has always went against the grain of the EU even thou they are a founding member. I think the EU will ether collapse in on its self or get much smaller after this is all said and done with Italy most likily to have its own brexit like vote. When it started it was a good idea but like with most things it gets ruined by a few people and also the EU have had some barmy ideas like the having the concept of all members forming a United States of Europe and having a European Army which wouldn't work as each army has there own ideals and way of doing things. |
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"When we've developed the vaccine do we reserve the first 65m doses for UK citizens or share it with the world to treat the more vulnerable cases. ?? "
Assuming we develop a vaccine then presumably the details will be shared with the world so everyone can manufacture it. What's your point? |
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"France has always went against the grain of the EU even thou they are a founding member. I think the EU will ether collapse in on its self or get much smaller after this is all said and done with Italy most likily to have its own brexit like vote. When it started it was a good idea but like with most things it gets ruined by a few people and also the EU have had some barmy ideas like the having the concept of all members forming a United States of Europe and having a European Army which wouldn't work as each army has there own ideals and way of doing things."
Its just similiar to nato isnt it?
And just because an idea was floated doesn't mean its necessarily going to happen.
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"France has always went against the grain of the EU even thou they are a founding member. I think the EU will ether collapse in on its self or get much smaller after this is all said and done with Italy most likily to have its own brexit like vote. When it started it was a good idea but like with most things it gets ruined by a few people and also the EU have had some barmy ideas like the having the concept of all members forming a United States of Europe and having a European Army which wouldn't work as each army has there own ideals and way of doing things."
No one else will leave EU. Italy will receive billions of euro from EU. It would be crazy to leave. Especially after the brexit disaster. |
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"No one else will leave EU. Italy will receive billions of euro from EU. It would be crazy to leave. Especially after the brexit disaster."
I’ve no idea where this Brexiter fantasy of other countries leaving the EU comes from, support is at an all time high in most countries since they have seen the utter shambles we have made of Brexit. |
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"France has always went against the grain of the EU even thou they are a founding member. I think the EU will ether collapse in on its self or get much smaller after this is all said and done with Italy most likily to have its own brexit like vote. When it started it was a good idea but like with most things it gets ruined by a few people and also the EU have had some barmy ideas like the having the concept of all members forming a United States of Europe and having a European Army which wouldn't work as each army has there own ideals and way of doing things.
No one else will leave EU. Italy will receive billions of euro from EU. It would be crazy to leave. Especially after the brexit disaster."
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"No one else will leave EU. Italy will receive billions of euro from EU. It would be crazy to leave. Especially after the brexit disaster.
I’ve no idea where this Brexiter fantasy of other countries leaving the EU comes from, support is at an all time high in most countries since they have seen the utter shambles we have made of Brexit."
Exactly, Germany have pledged extra billions to help the EU, they will be in a far stronger position after this pandemic than the UK. |
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The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
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Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
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Yes, I heard on the radio.
Unfortunately it's the truth.
But there is hope for a better tomorrow. Boris returns to work on Monday |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
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Did it crash or simply the amount of availability taken? |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
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Not sure where your source for those figures are.As for the latest bailout its been agreed by the leaders but the shit will hit the fan once the commission has decided if its a loan or a grant which we should know by 6th may. |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
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Probably because the whole country tried to log on at once, and i am sure in your line of work nobody who was ever completing a new task ever made a mistake ... why do people seem to think we should be experts at dealing with something we have never experienced before first time round ... there isnt a project in the world that launches without snagging and teethng issues that need to be ed out let alone something rushed through this quickly |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
Probably because the whole country tried to log on at once, and i am sure in your line of work nobody who was ever completing a new task ever made a mistake ... why do people seem to think we should be experts at dealing with something we have never experienced before first time round ... there isnt a project in the world that launches without snagging and teethng issues that need to be ed out let alone something rushed through this quickly "
You realise we did a dry run for for an actual pandemic event a few years ago? |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
Probably because the whole country tried to log on at once, and i am sure in your line of work nobody who was ever completing a new task ever made a mistake ... why do people seem to think we should be experts at dealing with something we have never experienced before first time round ... there isnt a project in the world that launches without snagging and teethng issues that need to be ed out let alone something rushed through this quickly "
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
Probably because the whole country tried to log on at once, and i am sure in your line of work nobody who was ever completing a new task ever made a mistake ... why do people seem to think we should be experts at dealing with something we have never experienced before first time round ... there isnt a project in the world that launches without snagging and teethng issues that need to be ed out let alone something rushed through this quickly
You realise we did a dry run for for an actual pandemic event a few years ago?"
I was specifically talking about the technology here hut the analogy is the same if you lay it a ross the whole pandemic
You realise a dry run is no better than a test simulation which again all projects go through before launch and still have those same launch issues i mentioned
The truth is you can predict/ plan/ prepare as much as you like but unless we have a crystal ball i don’t know about, none of it will ever have the nuances or the hindsight learning of the real thing and trying something and correcting and refining based on outcome or feedback is not failure, its a natural lifecycle, the same cycle the bloody virus went through to mutate to humans in the first place |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Meanwhile here the test scheme crashes after a few hours and it emerges that a privately run testing centre incorrect results have been given out.
If it wasnt so serious..it would be almost comical how ineptly this has been handled
Probably because the whole country tried to log on at once, and i am sure in your line of work nobody who was ever completing a new task ever made a mistake ... why do people seem to think we should be experts at dealing with something we have never experienced before first time round ... there isnt a project in the world that launches without snagging and teethng issues that need to be ed out let alone something rushed through this quickly
You realise we did a dry run for for an actual pandemic event a few years ago?
I was specifically talking about the technology here hut the analogy is the same if you lay it a ross the whole pandemic
You realise a dry run is no better than a test simulation which again all projects go through before launch and still have those same launch issues i mentioned
The truth is you can predict/ plan/ prepare as much as you like but unless we have a crystal ball i don’t know about, none of it will ever have the nuances or the hindsight learning of the real thing and trying something and correcting and refining based on outcome or feedback is not failure, its a natural lifecycle, the same cycle the bloody virus went through to mutate to humans in the first place "
The argument has been done to death..I just hope there is a proper enquiry into it when it's all ovor. |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Not sure where your source for those figures are.As for the latest bailout its been agreed by the leaders but the shit will hit the fan once the commission has decided if its a loan or a grant which we should know by 6th may."
What shit? It's just a tiny brexiters dream. Nothing like this will happen.
Italy's exit from the EU is unlikely for legal and financial reasons.
Conducting a referendum requires constitutional amendment. Changing the constitution requires a majority of both parliamentary chambers, which is unlikely to be achieved. So goodbay Italexit |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Not sure where your source for those figures are.As for the latest bailout its been agreed by the leaders but the shit will hit the fan once the commission has decided if its a loan or a grant which we should know by 6th may.
What shit? It's just a tiny brexiters dream. Nothing like this will happen.
Italy's exit from the EU is unlikely for legal and financial reasons.
Conducting a referendum requires constitutional amendment. Changing the constitution requires a majority of both parliamentary chambers, which is unlikely to be achieved. So goodbay Italexit "
You are right there will never be an Italexit the minute they joined the euro the eu had them by the balls and could never leave that was the beauty of keeping the £ |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Not sure where your source for those figures are.As for the latest bailout its been agreed by the leaders but the shit will hit the fan once the commission has decided if its a loan or a grant which we should know by 6th may.
What shit? It's just a tiny brexiters dream. Nothing like this will happen.
Italy's exit from the EU is unlikely for legal and financial reasons.
Conducting a referendum requires constitutional amendment. Changing the constitution requires a majority of both parliamentary chambers, which is unlikely to be achieved. So goodbay Italexit You are right there will never be an Italexit the minute they joined the euro the eu had them by the balls and could never leave that was the beauty of keeping the £"
God bless £ |
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"The EU is using new and existing tools to make available the resources needed for a quick, strong and coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. The total sum that has been mobilized so far is €3.4trilion.
Plus one package over €1trilion.
Not sure where your source for those figures are.As for the latest bailout its been agreed by the leaders but the shit will hit the fan once the commission has decided if its a loan or a grant which we should know by 6th may.
What shit? It's just a tiny brexiters dream. Nothing like this will happen.
Italy's exit from the EU is unlikely for legal and financial reasons.
Conducting a referendum requires constitutional amendment. Changing the constitution requires a majority of both parliamentary chambers, which is unlikely to be achieved. So goodbay Italexit You are right there will never be an Italexit the minute they joined the euro the eu had them by the balls and could never leave that was the beauty of keeping the £
God bless £ "
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"It's just similiar to NATO isn't it?"
Speaking of NATO; 2% of GDP on defence is going to be a real stretch from now on - especially for Spain and Italy.
If the UK still wants to do it, it'll be 2% of a significantly smaller GDP, for years to come. |
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