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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Listening to the radio, talk of contact tracing systems via phone apps and location tracking. Will give us more freedom but we may have to give away privacy. It's worked in South Korea, would we be comfortable with that here?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think you have to answer that question by thinking about the implications.
You are in a shopping queue and the old dear in front is taking ages and your phone goes off or You've accidently strayed near someone as you've sat in the cafe or dancing at the local walkabout for more than 15 mins. What do you do. Self Isolate or turn a blind eye. Trouble is the central computer has logged you and you will get a stern warning to self isolate. But you haven't got any symptoms. It would only work if we all played it by the rules as usual.
Singapore has tried it and people there obviously see it as an intrusion of privacy. The take up has only been 20%. What does that tell you about a voluntary app ? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Listening to the radio, talk of contact tracing systems via phone apps and location tracking. Will give us more freedom but we may have to give away privacy. It's worked in South Korea, would we be comfortable with that here??"
kinda.... the actual system in itself would be anonymous in that they wouldn't know who you were individually...
basically you would register your phone and details... and if you were in close contact someone else who registered, who then was found to have Covid, then you would get an alert to suggest it would be worth getting checked yourself.....
it wouldn't tell you who is was or give you some sort of phone number clue...
me personally.... anything that is going to us get out and about is going to be worth a compromise on a tiny bit of privacy , in this case its not different to having the GPS on your phone on anyway |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As long as there is
A. No way the data can be accessed otherwise I would have to leave my phone at home for certain club visits!
B. That you could get a test if it showed you had been at risk. Otherwise someone pisses about and puts a fake positive in and you end up isolating for no reason.
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By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago
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Population tracking would only work if there is accessible, accurate and rapid testing on demand.
You get a warning of a case in an area the you have been in, you get tested ASAP and then you have 1 or 2 more tests over the next 7 days.
We really must sort out the the testing regime in the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As long as there is
A. No way the data can be accessed otherwise I would have to leave my phone at home for certain club visits!
B. That you could get a test if it showed you had been at risk. Otherwise someone pisses about and puts a fake positive in and you end up isolating for no reason.
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What club visits?....even with this kind of tech the clubs wont be opening any time this year.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Population tracking would only work if there is accessible, accurate and rapid testing on demand.
You get a warning of a case in an area the you have been in, you get tested ASAP and then you have 1 or 2 more tests over the next 7 days.
We really must sort out the the testing regime in the UK. "
It's definitely only gonna work if our testing capability is improved |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Listening to the radio, talk of contact tracing systems via phone apps and location tracking. Will give us more freedom but we may have to give away privacy. It's worked in South Korea, would we be comfortable with that here??
kinda.... the actual system in itself would be anonymous in that they wouldn't know who you were individually...
basically you would register your phone and details... and if you were in close contact someone else who registered, who then was found to have Covid, then you would get an alert to suggest it would be worth getting checked yourself.....
it wouldn't tell you who is was or give you some sort of phone number clue...
me personally.... anything that is going to us get out and about is going to be worth a compromise on a tiny bit of privacy , in this case its not different to having the GPS on your phone on anyway"
I think you are right Fabio, gotta give some stuff to get through this |
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The fear of lack of privacy is a like a bucketful of sand. Big brother can already trace your mobile phone whereabouts or your car GPS whereabouts.
The papers spread nonsense and paranoia about data leaks.
If Ivan from the east wants to see my medical records then go ahead chum. I am sure he will be fascinated by my skin rash.
They already know anything they want about us. Don't be fools peoples. Just type in the B word on here and they will check you out as sure as a hill of beans ..
It matters to me not a jot |
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Contact tracing teams have been around in the uk for some time but were stopped a month or so ago. We need them reestablished, supplemented with more people, as our primary tracing facility, possibly augmented by technology. If we continue 2 metres distancing and hygiene measures, we will probably largely spend 10-15 minutes very close to people who we know anyway, for the foreseeable future.
We need to redress our dismal testing resources. All NHS, care and core staff need frequent regular testing and the public needs high volume testing programmes, especially in virus hot spots that emerge.
You probably need in excess of 60%, probably 80%, to use the tech and always have it active with a powered phone, to have useful a tool. Many will need smartphones that they don't have or understand, as well as the income to pay to buy and run them. |
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"Could it lead to possible physical attacks if people get too close and the phone beeps..
This development is very very worrying"
Lol
The idea is that IF someone tests positive then everyone they were in close contact with gets an alert through the app.
Your phone won't publically shame you
If someone doesn't want traced don't leave home, app or no app you're being traced
Facial recognition
Apnr
Credit card
Loyalty card
Finger prints
Dna
If someone wants to know about you they will find out, no hiding nowadays
Of course some "single men" will be troubled lol |
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That's a relief but still could lead to an unwanted attack. You pop out for a loaf of bread and ten minutes later the app says that you were in the proximity of a super spreader. You don protective clothing and lay a trap for the baker.. he gets biffed (it's usually a he) then you remember you stopped for petrol before visiting the bakery.. very concerning.. could lead to mistaken identity ... |
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France are trying to pressurise google and apple to make it possible for them to identify people that from the contact notification. So the next thing is that if you have been told to isolate and the phone detects that you have left your home location you will automatically be fined. |
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Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.
The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.
If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted  |
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Currently apps can only monitor bluetooth when the user has the app open on the screen. Google and apple are making it possible to monitor bluetooth in the background but the app has to confirm to the privacy rules. France don't want adhere to the privacy rules.
The next thing they will ask for is to prevent Bluetooth from being completely off. |
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"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.
The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.
If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted "
And don't drive a car with satnav.. |
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"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.
The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.
If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted
And don't drive a car with satnav.. "
... and wrap yourself up in kitchen foil  |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it. "
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. "
Welcome to the new world order god help us . |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.
The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.
If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted "
Switching it off won’t work - you’d have to disconnect quite a few components |
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"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.
The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.
If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted
And don't drive a car with satnav..
... and wrap yourself up in kitchen foil "
Trust me... Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not watching you... |
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. "
It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet. |
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.
It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet. "
They can change the law before you can say Jack Russell |
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Testing en masse and in local hotspots.
Use teams of people linked to the testing teams, to trace contacts and have focused testing on contacts. Lots of employment potential and can start straight away, without needing vulnerable elderly people to get and use smartphones, with millions - 40 million plus - of people in the UK needing them switched on all the time. |
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.
It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet.
They can change the law before you can say Jack Russell"
Maybe check the history of the matter before saying the first thing that comes into your head. Vaccines have been made mandatory in the past and nobody got dragged into a doctors office and forcibly had a needle stuck in them. |
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.
It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet.
They can change the law before you can say Jack Russell
Maybe check the history of the matter before saying the first thing that comes into your head. Vaccines have been made mandatory in the past and nobody got dragged into a doctors office and forcibly had a needle stuck in them. "
That was before people rejected blind faith in Authority and Doctors.. take MMR rejected by many..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. Welcome to the new world order god help us ."
I knew it wouldn't be long... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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People have been willingly giving their data away for years. If an app helps us get out of this mess, I'd not care. People give far more info away everyday on Facebook. |
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"People have been willingly giving their data away for years. If an app helps us get out of this mess, I'd not care. People give far more info away everyday on Facebook."
It is quite ironic people put their lives on fb and complain about intrusion. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I am with Belle and Sebastian on this...
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We are Belle and Sebastian! You can normally see us performing such hits like 'Judy and her Dream of Horses' 'Like Dylan in the Movies' and 'Fox in the Snow'. Tom regularly comes to our gigs and we sign his pants! |
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"Testing en masse and in local hotspots.
Use teams of people linked to the testing teams, to trace contacts and have focused testing on contacts. Lots of employment potential and can start straight away, without needing vulnerable elderly people to get and use smartphones, with millions - 40 million plus - of people in the UK needing them switched on all the time. "
That's a grest idea, instead of using technology use a sick persons memory
Who did you contact exactly ?
Well I'm pretty sure I saw a, b and c
So a, b and c get a knock on the door and told to isolate even though sick patient was mistaken
I think I'd prefer to whip out my phone and reasonably prove where I was that day
Phone technology will be the way forward for now and maybe forever at least until we are chipped like dogs, and don't rubbish it, it may replace the passport.
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"I am with Belle and Sebastian on this...
We are Belle and Sebastian! You can normally see us performing such hits like 'Judy and her Dream of Horses' 'Like Dylan in the Movies' and 'Fox in the Snow'. Tom regularly comes to our gigs and we sign his pants!"
Ahh thanks for clearing that up, your profile names are different lol. X |
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As long as I don't have to wait for a shit advert for a game I have no intention of downloading before my phone tells me why it beeped!
If you're massively concerned by big brother then use a vpn. |
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"As long as I don't have to wait for a shit advert for a game I have no intention of downloading before my phone tells me why it beeped!
If you're massively concerned by big brother then use a vpn. "
A VPN won't help |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"Leave the phone at home?
I’m not advocating it, but surely that would circumvent any concerns. We coped ok without mobile phones before.
This."
Until they insist we are all microchipped by law lol.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.
It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. "
If they'll add nanochips in the vaccine then the tracking problem will be solved forever too. We might just as well lose the curtains from the windows and replace brick walls with clear glass. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Love these conversations. Btw who is “They”
We are in a very small way helping light dark fibre and connecting national and global loops maybe even we're part of “They” and never even knew ... whatever “They” is.... just be good citizens, close the curtains when you have a fook and you’ll be fine |
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