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Actually my understanding was that we socially isolated and went into lockdown simply the protect the NHS, so to stop them being overwhelmed and running out of ventilators. Which in turn would save lives.
A second wave would put us straight back into the start position I suppose.
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is. "
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw  |
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw "
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific. "
The wording refers to leaving home in order to do something but sloppily (and confusingly for Mr Plod) doesn’t say that you can’t do other stuff once you’ve left home. Hence the various “clarifications” that we’re getting as we go.
You’d almost think they were making it up on the hoof. Mind you, that would fit with this lying shitshow of a government that the country has stupidly saddled itself with. |
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific.
The wording refers to leaving home in order to do something but sloppily (and confusingly for Mr Plod) doesn’t say that you can’t do other stuff once you’ve left home. Hence the various “clarifications” that we’re getting as we go.
You’d almost think they were making it up on the hoof. Mind you, that would fit with this lying shitshow of a government that the country has stupidly saddled itself with."
You'd almost think they didn't have a website with all the details of what you can and can not do, or that they sent a letter and guidance leaflet to every home in the UK
www.gov.uk/coronavirus
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-information-leaflet
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific.
The wording refers to leaving home in order to do something but sloppily (and confusingly for Mr Plod) doesn’t say that you can’t do other stuff once you’ve left home. Hence the various “clarifications” that we’re getting as we go.
You’d almost think they were making it up on the hoof. Mind you, that would fit with this lying shitshow of a government that the country has stupidly saddled itself with.
You'd almost think they didn't have a website with all the details of what you can and can not do, or that they sent a letter and guidance leaflet to every home in the UK
www.gov.uk/coronavirus
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-information-leaflet
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific. "
I think they made it clear that ocean swimming is forbidden  |
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific. "
They have been VERY specific as to your 3 situations.
Yes...if in your own garden with only your household attending.
No...fishing trips 300 miles away are clearly not allowed. Sitting on your arse by a river is NOT exercise.
No.... unless the 100 members of your family live in your house already.
Why are so many people pretending they don't understand. Even the tin foil hat brigade can't be that thick....I'm sure you are not either. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening  "
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns. "
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Not including care homes?
Hancock on briefing...didn't mention care home when he announced it.
So that's a no."
It's a bloody explanation of what I heard lionel ffs |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns.
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures."
Yesterday was the lowest total since April 6th (i.e. before the peak). Be grateful that it's more evidence that April 8th to April 11th was our peak and we're over said peak. One less reason for big brother to sit on their hands. |
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"the curve. Now it is to prevent a second peak"
They are trying to figure out what to do with the stupid people who will go straight to the pub shake hands and buy other drinks before heading to a music concert |
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"the curve. Now it is to prevent a second peak
I've forgotten if we're at war with Oceania or Eurasia. Probably best not to think too hard about it. "
Noooo, an Ocean, the Pacific has already been mentioned  |
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific.
They have been VERY specific as to your 3 situations.
Yes...if in your own garden with only your household attending.
No...fishing trips 300 miles away are clearly not allowed. Sitting on your arse by a river is NOT exercise.
No.... unless the 100 members of your family live in your house already.
Why are so many people pretending they don't understand. Even the tin foil hat brigade can't be that thick....I'm sure you are not either."
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"I think some people just like to be awkward and ignore stuff no matter what you tell them. It's called human nature.
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We really need people on the street beating them with canes like in India. Judging by the forum comments, there would be no shortage of volunteers |
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"Actually my understanding was that we socially isolated and went into lockdown simply the protect the NHS, so to stop them being overwhelmed and running out of ventilators. Which in turn would save lives.
A second wave would put us straight back into the start position I suppose.
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This, social distancing will not stop infection, as mentioned to stop overwhelming the NHS.
I don’t think it possible to say if we will or will not get a second wave or even if people can become reinfected.
They just do not know enough about this virus at the moment. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns.
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures.
Yesterday was the lowest total since April 6th (i.e. before the peak). Be grateful that it's more evidence that April 8th to April 11th was our peak and we're over said peak. One less reason for big brother to sit on their hands. "
None of these figures have included deaths in care homes, could be so much higher |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns.
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures.
Yesterday was the lowest total since April 6th (i.e. before the peak). Be grateful that it's more evidence that April 8th to April 11th was our peak and we're over said peak. One less reason for big brother to sit on their hands.
None of these figures have included deaths in care homes, could be so much higher "
They have. The lack of non hospital deaths was identified in march and instructions were given to include them in figures from April 1st. In reality the inclusion may not have kicked in properly until April 10th but now they do include them, albeit it's a little subjective since people often die with multiple problems. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns.
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures.
Yesterday was the lowest total since April 6th (i.e. before the peak). Be grateful that it's more evidence that April 8th to April 11th was our peak and we're over said peak. One less reason for big brother to sit on their hands.
None of these figures have included deaths in care homes, could be so much higher
They have. The lack of non hospital deaths was identified in march and instructions were given to include them in figures from April 1st. In reality the inclusion may not have kicked in properly until April 10th but now they do include them, albeit it's a little subjective since people often die with multiple problems. "
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"My nephew got tested at Harley street today and all it told him he had not had it in the last 5 weeks, no signs of it in his body.
£100"
Did he get a discount? Seems to be £200 on their website if you visit and £400 to do it at home |
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"Harley street health centre. There is a second test available to tell you if you have it now at a cost of around three hundred pounds."
His was a finger prick test to tell if he had come into contact with the virus. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns.
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures.
Yesterday was the lowest total since April 6th (i.e. before the peak). Be grateful that it's more evidence that April 8th to April 11th was our peak and we're over said peak. One less reason for big brother to sit on their hands.
None of these figures have included deaths in care homes, could be so much higher
They have. The lack of non hospital deaths was identified in march and instructions were given to include them in figures from April 1st. In reality the inclusion may not have kicked in properly until April 10th but now they do include them, albeit it's a little subjective since people often die with multiple problems. "
Daily numbers are still hospital numbers. Numbers from ons are updated weekly. We now have totals for up to April 10th - 18,xxx up 8,xxx on the expected week's total. |
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"852 deaths today so it's far from flattening
Wrong. The past 2 days have been exceptionally low numbers so you need to look at more of a moving average. People don't die in uniform 24 hour patterns.
Maybe not...but for a little moment I was hoping they would go down from yesterday's figures.
Yesterday was the lowest total since April 6th (i.e. before the peak). Be grateful that it's more evidence that April 8th to April 11th was our peak and we're over said peak. One less reason for big brother to sit on their hands.
None of these figures have included deaths in care homes, could be so much higher
They have. The lack of non hospital deaths was identified in march and instructions were given to include them in figures from April 1st. In reality the inclusion may not have kicked in properly until April 10th but now they do include them, albeit it's a little subjective since people often die with multiple problems.
Daily numbers are still hospital numbers. Numbers from ons are updated weekly. We now have totals for up to April 10th - 18,xxx up 8,xxx on the expected week's total. "
Apologies, you're right. I knew April 10th had something to do with it.
April 10th figures were 15% higher than the news totals  |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
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Quick note, the death totals announced each day aren't actually the number of deaths in the last 24 hours, just the numbers they have been made aware of in the last 24 hours.
Some of the 800 plus, actually passed away back in March.
Dont think we will really know the full picture until it is all over.
I used to be fixated on number of deaths and number of positives but am now looking at numbers in hospital.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"So lock down is working well then ....I think not ...waste of time"
How exactly isn't it working? The numbers are stabilising, they warned there might be a day or two where we get higher numbers after a weekend due to a delay in recording the deaths.
Do you even understand how many more people would have died if we weren't in lockdown?
The lockdown is working how it was intended to, it's slowing the transmission of the virus in order to give the nhs time to cope with the extra influx of patients, at no point have the nhs been overwhelmed or run out of ICU beds so the lockdown is working.
The fact that the numbers are stabilising and/or dropping shows that we have begun to see the effect of the lockdown, it's a great sign that the drastic measures were needed and that those of us following the rules are making a difference. |
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"Harley street health centre. There is a second test available to tell you if you have it now at a cost of around three hundred pounds.
His was a finger prick test to tell if he had come into contact with the virus."
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How exactly isn't it working? The numbers are stabilising, they warned there might be a day or two where we get higher numbers after a weekend due to a delay in recording the deaths.
Do you even understand how many more people would have died if we weren't in lockdown?
The lockdown is working how it was intended to, it's slowing the transmission of the virus in order to give the nhs time to cope with the extra influx of patients, at no point have the nhs been overwhelmed or run out of ICU beds so the lockdown is working.
The fact that the numbers are stabilising and/or dropping shows that we have begun to see the effect of the lockdown, it's a great sign that the drastic measures were needed and that those of us following the rules are making a difference. "
You do realise the reason ITU is not being swamped is because, unlike Italy who tried to save everybody, they are being selective about who to attempt to save and intubate...
The real question is how many more would have been saved if they had begun lockdown earlier rather than "taking it on the chin..." |
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How exactly isn't it working? The numbers are stabilising, they warned there might be a day or two where we get higher numbers after a weekend due to a delay in recording the deaths.
Do you even understand how many more people would have died if we weren't in lockdown?
The lockdown is working how it was intended to, it's slowing the transmission of the virus in order to give the nhs time to cope with the extra influx of patients, at no point have the nhs been overwhelmed or run out of ICU beds so the lockdown is working.
The fact that the numbers are stabilising and/or dropping shows that we have begun to see the effect of the lockdown, it's a great sign that the drastic measures were needed and that those of us following the rules are making a difference.
You do realise the reason ITU is not being swamped is because, unlike Italy who tried to save everybody, they are being selective about who to attempt to save and intubate...
The real question is how many more would have been saved if they had begun lockdown earlier rather than "taking it on the chin...""
And you know this is true how??
Do you work in a hospital?
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How exactly isn't it working? The numbers are stabilising, they warned there might be a day or two where we get higher numbers after a weekend due to a delay in recording the deaths.
Do you even understand how many more people would have died if we weren't in lockdown?
The lockdown is working how it was intended to, it's slowing the transmission of the virus in order to give the nhs time to cope with the extra influx of patients, at no point have the nhs been overwhelmed or run out of ICU beds so the lockdown is working.
The fact that the numbers are stabilising and/or dropping shows that we have begun to see the effect of the lockdown, it's a great sign that the drastic measures were needed and that those of us following the rules are making a difference.
You do realise the reason ITU is not being swamped is because, unlike Italy who tried to save everybody, they are being selective about who to attempt to save and intubate...
The real question is how many more would have been saved if they had begun lockdown earlier rather than "taking it on the chin..."
And you know this is true how??
Do you work in a hospital?
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They were advised to lock down sooner.
Seeing as it has without a doubt saved lives it's not beyond the realms of impossibility that more lives may have been saved.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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How exactly isn't it working? The numbers are stabilising, they warned there might be a day or two where we get higher numbers after a weekend due to a delay in recording the deaths.
Do you even understand how many more people would have died if we weren't in lockdown?
The lockdown is working how it was intended to, it's slowing the transmission of the virus in order to give the nhs time to cope with the extra influx of patients, at no point have the nhs been overwhelmed or run out of ICU beds so the lockdown is working.
The fact that the numbers are stabilising and/or dropping shows that we have begun to see the effect of the lockdown, it's a great sign that the drastic measures were needed and that those of us following the rules are making a difference.
You do realise the reason ITU is not being swamped is because, unlike Italy who tried to save everybody, they are being selective about who to attempt to save and intubate...
The real question is how many more would have been saved if they had begun lockdown earlier rather than "taking it on the chin...""
Where is your evidence that people haven't been given the treatment they need? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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How exactly isn't it working? The numbers are stabilising, they warned there might be a day or two where we get higher numbers after a weekend due to a delay in recording the deaths.
Do you even understand how many more people would have died if we weren't in lockdown?
The lockdown is working how it was intended to, it's slowing the transmission of the virus in order to give the nhs time to cope with the extra influx of patients, at no point have the nhs been overwhelmed or run out of ICU beds so the lockdown is working.
The fact that the numbers are stabilising and/or dropping shows that we have begun to see the effect of the lockdown, it's a great sign that the drastic measures were needed and that those of us following the rules are making a difference.
You do realise the reason ITU is not being swamped is because, unlike Italy who tried to save everybody, they are being selective about who to attempt to save and intubate...
The real question is how many more would have been saved if they had begun lockdown earlier rather than "taking it on the chin..."
And you know this is true how??
Do you work in a hospital?
They were advised to lock down sooner.
Seeing as it has without a doubt saved lives it's not beyond the realms of impossibility that more lives may have been saved.
Bit late now like"
Yes, and more lives may have been lost, nobody fucking knows, it's all shoulda, coulda, woulda bullshit. |
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"My nephew got tested at Harley street today and all it told him he had not had it in the last 5 weeks, no signs of it in his body.
£100"
Could catch it on the journey home from Harley Street £100 well spent |
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By *unscot44Man
over a year ago
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In her daily briefing today the FM of Scotland has announced that while the official death toll from confirmed hospital cases is 1,062 that the true number of suspected deaths including those in care homes is actually nearly 600 higher at 1,616.
I would supect that this ties in with rumours down in England of around an extra 5,000 deaths in care homes that are not being included in UK figures at current time. She is getting bit of a hard time from press but at least she is trying to be as transparent as possible over true mortality rates of disease. |
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"In her daily briefing today the FM of Scotland has announced that while the official death toll from confirmed hospital cases is 1,062 that the true number of suspected deaths including those in care homes is actually nearly 600 higher at 1,616.
I would supect that this ties in with rumours down in England of around an extra 5,000 deaths in care homes that are not being included in UK figures at current time. She is getting bit of a hard time from press but at least she is trying to be as transparent as possible over true mortality rates of disease."
Our real death toll is 15-25% higher than the hospital only total |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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ONS includes all figures and has done all the way through.
We still don’t know for sure how other countries are recording their figures.
Figures here are always lower on a Monday and Tuesday. Figures generally are reducing. |
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw "
It still doesn't stop the government from treating citizens as adults, including informing them of what their overall plan is. It's suggestive that there may not be one, as well as ignoring any effects on the behaviour of citizens when they are treated contemptuously, as if children. I abhor those who are not respecting the rules and guidelines that have been issued. As a care worker I've not been fully protected and it does frighten me that others don't seem to have full respect for others in our country. I'm a student too but we've not been engaging with anyone, so I've switched to helping others more.
On the whole, our society has been awash with good will and compliance, which is heartening. |
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"In her daily briefing today the FM of Scotland has announced that while the official death toll from confirmed hospital cases is 1,062 that the true number of suspected deaths including those in care homes is actually nearly 600 higher at 1,616.
I would supect that this ties in with rumours down in England of around an extra 5,000 deaths in care homes that are not being included in UK figures at current time. She is getting bit of a hard time from press but at least she is trying to be as transparent as possible over true mortality rates of disease.
Our real death toll is 15-25% higher than the hospital only total "
How do you know that ?
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"Actually my understanding was that we socially isolated and went into lockdown simply the protect the NHS, so to stop them being overwhelmed and running out of ventilators. Which in turn would save lives.
A second wave would put us straight back into the start position I suppose.
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No so. The second wave would be manageable. Had we all waved in the first wave it wouldn't have been manageable........
It is what is says....... Help the NHS by not all suffering/dying at once. |
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"It's a word salad pick and mix of any combination of words and terms. There's not much intention to treat the people that they serve as adults, telling us what our full plan is.
The same adults that headed in their masses to the parks and beaches over Easter and hold parties you mean? I personally don't blame them for holding things back. I'm not a fan of the govt at all btw
To be fair it is a confusing message. "Stay at home". What does that even mean?
Can I BBQ a pig on the pavement outside my house?
Can I drive 300 miles to go fishing?
Can I get 100 of my family round for a birthday party?
They need to be more pacific.
The wording refers to leaving home in order to do something but sloppily (and confusingly for Mr Plod) doesn’t say that you can’t do other stuff once you’ve left home. Hence the various “clarifications” that we’re getting as we go.
You’d almost think they were making it up on the hoof. Mind you, that would fit with this lying shitshow of a government that the country has stupidly saddled itself with.
You'd almost think they didn't have a website with all the details of what you can and can not do, or that they sent a letter and guidance leaflet to every home in the UK
www.gov.uk/coronavirus
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-information-leaflet
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"Actually my understanding was that we socially isolated and went into lockdown simply the protect the NHS, so to stop them being overwhelmed and running out of ventilators. Which in turn would save lives.
A second wave would put us straight back into the start position I suppose.
No so. The second wave would be manageable. Had we all waved in the first wave it wouldn't have been manageable........
It is what is says....... Help the NHS by not all suffering/dying at once."
How many waves do you think granny ?
I think 4 to 10
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