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The science was defined by the supply chain..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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James O'Brien (expecting a wave of hate for mentioning his name) discussing this idea now, that the government knew they had shortages and weaknesses in the system and this dictated which 'science' was followed. Makes sense when thinking about the huge u turn on here immunity... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"has he finaly stopped whinging about brexit yet??? not listend to lbc for about 6 months now.got a bit to shouty on there"
If by 'whinging' you mean, fact based evidence? Then he has eased off, but we will leave that there. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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he does have some thoughts about things think a lot of peeps problems with him is how obnoxioushe is with callers who dont agree with him.did enjoy his monolouge on youtube the day after the GE he was spot on |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"has he finaly stopped whinging about brexit yet??? not listend to lbc for about 6 months now.got a bit to shouty on there
If by 'whinging' you mean, fact based evidence? Then he has eased off, but we will leave that there. "
hey im neither a leaver or a remainer but christ he sounds like the kid who takes his ball home wen things dont go how he wants sometimes |
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There's not a politician in the world who isn't claiming they "followed the science" and yet we see vastly different policies and success rates around the world... it's almost as if the science isn't settled |
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"James O'Brien (expecting a wave of hate for mentioning his name) discussing this idea now, that the government knew they had shortages and weaknesses in the system and this dictated which 'science' was followed. Makes sense when thinking about the huge u turn on here immunity..."
I think that piece in the times said that witty was originally for herd immunity(along with Cummings)but then backtracked.
I think there is that much shit getting thrown around now it's hard to know what to believe.
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"James O'Brien (expecting a wave of hate for mentioning his name) discussing this idea now, that the government knew they had shortages and weaknesses in the system and this dictated which 'science' was followed. Makes sense when thinking about the huge u turn on here immunity..."
In Borris Johnson first public announcement to the uk....he said "many loved ones will dies"
Politicians don't admit to that kind of climb down unless they know they have fucked up.
The time to act was in February, whilst borris Johnson sat on the sofa of daytime TV telling the uk... "shaking hands have a stiff upper lip and shake the virus off"
That didn't turn to good for his own personal health.
The picture is always clearer in hindsight but the major nations of the world ran a global mock pandemic war game just months before this.
It's unrealistic to expect any government to get everything right
Being unprepared or not aware of the potential impact including and to supply chains is a shite excuses for the major problems the uk currently face. |
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It's unrealistic to expect any government to get everything right
Being unprepared or not aware of the potential impact including and to supply chains is a shite excuses for the major problems the uk currently face. "
God help us when we get brexit done |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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It's unrealistic to expect any government to get everything right
Being unprepared or not aware of the potential impact including and to supply chains is a shite excuses for the major problems the uk currently face.
God help us when we get brexit done "
I voted remain, except the result but, if this crises has provided a glimpse of what we can expect.....it's gonna be a complete and utter clusterfuck |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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It's unrealistic to expect any government to get everything right
Being unprepared or not aware of the potential impact including and to supply chains is a shite excuses for the major problems the uk currently face.
God help us when we get brexit done "
Save some of your covid prayers from December then
Becuase the uk dismissed Brussels recent offer to extend negotiations past December.
I'm not trying to defend the exits brexit bite or encourage a new after all of this
But to plough ahead with a potential no deal or the idea brexit can still be negotiated by December in the midst of a global pandemic and global recession.
It's just more incompetent bullshit.
I dont care if a political party is waving a red blue yellow or green flag.
Right now I settle for any paet that has a sound economic plan |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"has he finaly stopped whinging about brexit yet??? not listend to lbc for about 6 months now.got a bit to shouty on there
If by 'whinging' you mean, fact based evidence? Then he has eased off, but we will leave that there. "
Ha, couldn't agree more  
It did sound a bit cruel how he dismantled arguments for Brexit and made them evident on the stupidity of the said argument but that's generally what happens when fact based evidence is applied to ideas |
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"James O'Brien (expecting a wave of hate for mentioning his name) discussing this idea now, that the government knew they had shortages and weaknesses in the system and this dictated which 'science' was followed. Makes sense when thinking about the huge u turn on here immunity..."
Belle and Sebastian..
I totally agree for a second time. When there is a shortage of masks then it's best to follow the science that they are not proven to prevent infection. Not proving it does not mean it's not true..
So what's the London Mayor's U turn on masks about.? Science led ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"James O'Brien (expecting a wave of hate for mentioning his name) discussing this idea now, that the government knew they had shortages and weaknesses in the system and this dictated which 'science' was followed. Makes sense when thinking about the huge u turn on here immunity...
Belle and Sebastian..
I totally agree for a second time. When there is a shortage of masks then it's best to follow the science that they are not proven to prevent infection. Not proving it does not mean it's not true..
So what's the London Mayor's U turn on masks about.? Science led ? "
It's becoming a habit Tom |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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As for the Mayor, he has been banging on about face masks for about 3 weeks or so. Even asked the governments scientific advisors to review their decision on it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's unrealistic to expect any government to get everything right
Being unprepared or not aware of the potential impact including and to supply chains is a shite excuses for the major problems the uk currently face.
God help us when we get brexit done
Save some of your covid prayers from December then
Becuase the uk dismissed Brussels recent offer to extend negotiations past December.
I'm not trying to defend the exits brexit bite or encourage a new after all of this
But to plough ahead with a potential no deal or the idea brexit can still be negotiated by December in the midst of a global pandemic and global recession.
It's just more incompetent bullshit.
I dont care if a political party is waving a red blue yellow or green flag.
Right now I settle for any paet that has a sound economic plan"
I voted remain too, however Katya Adler hinted in a tweet an extension to the Brexit negotiations may be tied in with the UK accepting some liability for Covid19 debt incurred by Italy and Spain. How true, I don’t know. |
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"There's not a politician in the world who isn't claiming they "followed the science" and yet we see vastly different policies and success rates around the world... it's almost as if the science isn't settled "
Science isn't a finite solution to provide 1 answer, then it ceases. It's an ongoing process, involving learning too and research on covid-19 is in its infancy.
There are some things that seem fairly settled - it's an highly infectious virus that's causing this, hence the need for precautions, we know how it's spread by some bodily fluids, and that if we reduce close contacts with others, that it limits the potential for high rates of infection.
How those and other current research evidence outputs are used to guide government strategies has been mixed. A laissez faire approach, letting everyone continue as before, appears to be against what the evidence would guide us to be doing.
I've not heard this guy upon this disease. It strikes me that when we knew from January that this existed, we would have been prudent to revisit our evaluation of our epidemic readiness from October 2016. This highlighted our deficiencies, such as with health services capacities, as well as with ventilators and other resources. If we didn't do this simple thing in January, we were grossly negligent, for whatever reason. That step would have permitted us to prepare readiness, as the government should have been doing since 2016 anyway. Sourcing materials that we needed would have obviated shortages of many of the things that have contributed to our infection and death rates.
As the saying goes, that's not rocket science. |
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"There's not a politician in the world who isn't claiming they "followed the science" and yet we see vastly different policies and success rates around the world... it's almost as if the science isn't settled
Science isn't a finite solution to provide 1 answer, then it ceases. It's an ongoing process, involving learning too and research on covid-19 is in its infancy.
There are some things that seem fairly settled - it's an highly infectious virus that's causing this, hence the need for precautions, we know how it's spread by some bodily fluids, and that if we reduce close contacts with others, that it limits the potential for high rates of infection.
How those and other current research evidence outputs are used to guide government strategies has been mixed. A laissez faire approach, letting everyone continue as before, appears to be against what the evidence would guide us to be doing.
I've not heard this guy upon this disease. It strikes me that when we knew from January that this existed, we would have been prudent to revisit our evaluation of our epidemic readiness from October 2016. This highlighted our deficiencies, such as with health services capacities, as well as with ventilators and other resources. If we didn't do this simple thing in January, we were grossly negligent, for whatever reason. That step would have permitted us to prepare readiness, as the government should have been doing since 2016 anyway. Sourcing materials that we needed would have obviated shortages of many of the things that have contributed to our infection and death rates.
As the saying goes, that's not rocket science. "
Sweden has a highly credentialed scientist for their approach. I'll find you a hundred scientists saying masks should be compulsory in public. Test, test, test was also the message from scientists. I can also name scientists with impeccable credentials who say you haven't got a hope in hell of seeing a vaccine for this for years so I wish Nadine Dorris would stop saying that's our solution. I also remember scientists saying (in march) that schools should stay open because children hardly spread coronavirus, which is also tosh.
I don't know that we're disagreeing, I'm just saying that whatever approach you wanted to take (other than do nothing) then I could find world class scientists to be a cheerleader for it. |
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