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Has covid 19 been in the UK for longer than reported?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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My mother was in hospital from late January to mid February, she had all of the symptoms and pneumonia.
When I was waiting with her to get a bed, I can remember waiting with other people who described the same symptoms.
Could it of been the virus?
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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Its quite likely
Test results from across the globe are starting to report the presence of the virus in significant numbers of the population, most of whom didn't even realise they'd had it |
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My dad was the same, first week of January and it's the first he's ever really been ill. He's 80, but very fit, no underlying conditions but the pneumonia in Jan absolutely floored him and nearly killed him. |
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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago
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I think so, heard a lot of people say they have had the covid symptoms in January, friend was also in hospital with pneumonia and how she was looked just like how people are suffering with it now. Would love for all to be tested and see how the figures look. |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"Its quite likely
Test results from across the globe are starting to report the presence of the virus in significant numbers of the population, most of whom didn't even realise they'd had it"
Should probably clarify, it's likely to have been here in January but unless your mum was tested you can't be sure she's had it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus? |
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"My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus? "
She'd have to wait and see if the antibody tests ever work. I'd like to know about my Dad too. He's going stir crazy on his own at home. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus?
She'd have to wait and see if the antibody tests ever work. I'd like to know about my Dad too. He's going stir crazy on his own at home. "
If only we knew if they're immune to catching it again |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"She is convinced it was and I'm now thinking the same "
I had pneumonia around that time too and thought the same...but it was only in my right lung and I think covid does both lungs...I maybe wrong though |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"She is convinced it was and I'm now thinking the same
I had pneumonia around that time too and thought the same...but it was only in my right lung and I think covid does both lungs...I maybe wrong though "
I don't know |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"She is convinced it was and I'm now thinking the same
I had pneumonia around that time too and thought the same...but it was only in my right lung and I think covid does both lungs...I maybe wrong though
I don't know "
Do anyone else? |
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Did it spread from her to everybody around her within a week or two? If not, it wasn't covid-19. That's not saying it wasn't serious, there was some other incredibly nasty virus going around from late last summer through until about January.
Many viruses that attack the respiratory system have very similar symptoms, varying in severity mainly according to the progress in the fight between the virus fooling the cells into making copies of it and hence it multiplying through the body, and the immune system recognising the alien proteins of the virus and manufacturing antibodies to neutralise it. The side effects of this internal battle are all the familiar symptoms - inflamed tissues in throat, nasal passages, lungs; sneezing and coughing; high temperature; production of excess mucus. Depending on the exact virus, some types of tissue are affected more than others, the symptoms can vary slightly.
So yes, a lot of people (myself included) did get something horrible last winter that wasn't a normal cough, common cold or flu. It also wasn't covid-19. We can infer that purely through the transmission profile if nothing else. It was horrible, it affected a lot of people, it probably killed a fair few, but it wasn't this current virus. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus?
She'd have to wait and see if the antibody tests ever work. I'd like to know about my Dad too. He's going stir crazy on his own at home.
If only we knew if they're immune to catching it again "
It's not about being immune to catching it again but being immune to it taking hold. IE the body knows how to destroy it prior to viral replication. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Did it spread from her to everybody around her within a week or two? If not, it wasn't covid-19. That's not saying it wasn't serious, there was some other incredibly nasty virus going around from late last summer through until about January.
Many viruses that attack the respiratory system have very similar symptoms, varying in severity mainly according to the progress in the fight between the virus fooling the cells into making copies of it and hence it multiplying through the body, and the immune system recognising the alien proteins of the virus and manufacturing antibodies to neutralise it. The side effects of this internal battle are all the familiar symptoms - inflamed tissues in throat, nasal passages, lungs; sneezing and coughing; high temperature; production of excess mucus. Depending on the exact virus, some types of tissue are affected more than others, the symptoms can vary slightly.
So yes, a lot of people (myself included) did get something horrible last winter that wasn't a normal cough, common cold or flu. It also wasn't covid-19. We can infer that purely through the transmission profile if nothing else. It was horrible, it affected a lot of people, it probably killed a fair few, but it wasn't this current virus."
As far as I know it didn't spread from her to other people.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus?
She'd have to wait and see if the antibody tests ever work. I'd like to know about my Dad too. He's going stir crazy on his own at home.
If only we knew if they're immune to catching it again
It's not about being immune to catching it again but being immune to it taking hold. IE the body knows how to destroy it prior to viral replication. "
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The government in China initially suppressed people who were promoting details of the new disease. Their infection numbers are suspect from earlier on in the epidemic there, so it's possible that the talented medics who were punished for raising alarms came a little after it first was experienced.
The ideal way to track its start would be to do statistical analysis of infection numbers. This would need high quality data, which is probably going to be lacking. Still, there will be some analysis that's possible and likely already done. The Chinese may have completed great analysis but will be slow to ever release it, if they have it and there's a marked discrepancy between it and what they've told the world.
Pneumonia would likely have been tested elsewhere, if it had been cropping up with frequency and was connected to a new viral infection - I'm not sure that's been shown.
As the Chinese government is suspect, I'd expect it to have started a little earlier. Much earlier and it would probably have been travelling out of the country and been picked up by other countries before China announced it, I'd have assumed.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty. |
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty. "
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty.
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly."
I wasn't seeing a lot of people because I was sick, but as I said my immediate family all got ill with similar symptoms too. |
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty.
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly.
I wasn't seeing a lot of people because I was sick, but as I said my immediate family all got ill with similar symptoms too. "
But they then didn't pass it on to everyone around them, and so on. If it had been covid-19 there would have been clear evidence of the epidemic spreading from you outwards through the population during February and March.
I myself was severely ill from last October through to January with some form of respiratory infection. It was bloody horrible. But it wasn't covid-19, it was something that was already present in the general population (clue - lots of people from all over the country saying "I had this nasty bug last winter") popping up at random all over, with no clear evidence of an originating point and an expanding wave of infection. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Someone I work with had a severe cough and chest pains and suffered from exhaustion back in late December Following 2 weeks off and various tests it was put down as unidentified virus.
Ironically he finally started to feel better in March 
Plenty of other people I know were very ill over Christmas with similar symptons. Does make me wonder if that was the first 'milder' wave. |
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"Someone I work with had a severe cough and chest pains and suffered from exhaustion back in late December Following 2 weeks off and various tests it was put down as unidentified virus.
Ironically he finally started to feel better in March
Plenty of other people I know were very ill over Christmas with similar symptons. Does make me wonder if that was the first 'milder' wave."
It was definitely a wave of something. It was real, it was a bastard, and it probably killed a lot of people. It just wasn't covid-19, and there is zero evidence that having had it would give you any protection against covid-19.
How can I put this? If you had a dose of gonorrhea, how much protection does it give you against syphilis? Precisely fuck all. (Other diseases are available for comparison, but those two seem to be suitable somehow on a swinging site...) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Me my brother in law and our Nextdoor neighbour had a really bad cough and heavy flu like symptoms late Xmas early December pretty sure this been around longer than we think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Someone I work with had a severe cough and chest pains and suffered from exhaustion back in late December Following 2 weeks off and various tests it was put down as unidentified virus.
Ironically he finally started to feel better in March
Plenty of other people I know were very ill over Christmas with similar symptons. Does make me wonder if that was the first 'milder' wave.
It was definitely a wave of something. It was real, it was a bastard, and it probably killed a lot of people. It just wasn't covid-19, and there is zero evidence that having had it would give you any protection against covid-19.
How can I put this? If you had a dose of gonorrhea, how much protection does it give you against syphilis? Precisely fuck all. (Other diseases are available for comparison, but those two seem to be suitable somehow on a swinging site...)"
How do you know it wasn't an earlier form? Stranger things happen, this coukd be a 2nd mutated wave. Might be, might not be. No one on here knows. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Someone I work with had a severe cough and chest pains and suffered from exhaustion back in late December Following 2 weeks off and various tests it was put down as unidentified virus.
Ironically he finally started to feel better in March
Plenty of other people I know were very ill over Christmas with similar symptons. Does make me wonder if that was the first 'milder' wave.
It was definitely a wave of something. It was real, it was a bastard, and it probably killed a lot of people. It just wasn't covid-19, and there is zero evidence that having had it would give you any protection against covid-19.
How can I put this? If you had a dose of gonorrhea, how much protection does it give you against syphilis? Precisely fuck all. (Other diseases are available for comparison, but those two seem to be suitable somehow on a swinging site...)"
That’s more your opinion than fact.
What little evidence there is says that 90+% of the Uk would never know they had COVID |
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty.
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly."
that's incorrect. I know several people that have definately had it. Yet barely anyone they had contact with have come down with it unless asymptomatic.
I would say I had it in late December... pretty sure it was... but wont know till anti body tests..oh and whatever I had. I was so poorly I stayed at a friends who I was at when I fell ill. As was to poorly to even get to the bathroom by myself. The cough made me feel dizzy and like I'd cough my insides out x the guy i was staying with also got very ill and I had to look after him once I was feeling a little better. I got my older kids to look after my disabled daughter as I thought it was a seriously bad flu and didnt want to give it her. At the worst my temperature was that bad I was hallucinating x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The actual percentage of people who already had it is probably 5% across UK.
They already did a study in California and we can infer it from what we know about the fatality rate (1%) and the death count (16000, but if we assume it's 32000 it doesn't make much difference). |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"My mother was in hospital from late January to mid February, she had all of the symptoms and pneumonia.
When I was waiting with her to get a bed, I can remember waiting with other people who described the same symptoms.
Could it of been the virus?
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Probably longer than known about cynicism is still rife here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty.
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly."
If a lot of people are asymptomatic, how would you know? |
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I wouldn't be surprised she had 1 of 3 strains of it.
I also wouldn't be surprised that container truck last October with Vietnamese people being trafficked had carriers of the virus. Did they die in the truck? Did they get out at somepoint on their journey in the uk thus leaking contamination? Were the people trafficking them become carriers along with investigators?
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By (user no longer on site)
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I came back from Hong Kong in October and I was really ill a few weeks after. It started with a sore throat and a high temperature, coughing and I had breathing problems. I had to sleep on my front lying over 3 pillows for weeks because I couldn't breathe lying flat. The Dr said it was probably asthma or a chest infection. The cough went on for 9 weeks.
The symptoms were very similar to Covid 19 but my family didn't become ill until December / January time with more flu type symptoms than I had. I was really ill but I don't seem to have passed it on quickly so I don't think it was Covid 19. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think I had it mid feb, was very poorly for me, sore throat, loss of taste and smell for over 3 weeks, struggling to breathe, awful cough, would get better for a few days then it would be worse again..... and I rarely get ill, my mum also had the same as did a few people I know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I remember several of my friends and colleagues being extremely ill for ages over most of December and January and wonder if it could have been related to that... But then in March I'd never felt so rough in alll my life. Literally had to learn to use an asthma inhaler. Wiped. Terrified it's still affecting me even now |
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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago
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"My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus?
She'd have to wait and see if the antibody tests ever work. I'd like to know about my Dad too. He's going stir crazy on his own at home.
If only we knew if they're immune to catching it again "
Sadly no there's a few reports of people having it twice - try Google  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There was a nasty bug going around during flu season last year, but the death and hospitalisation figures were nothing like they currently are so it’s extremely unlikely people who were ill in December (inc myself) had covid-19. |
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Without a doubt it has. I was ill in February with a number of the symptoms. Whether it's what I actually had I have no way of knowing but I'm fairly certain it's been around longer than we've been led to believe. We can blame the Chinese government for that though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty.
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly."
Please stop presenting your opinion as fact. These people are speculating something that is entirely plausible.
Your definition of COVID being something that spreads like 'crazy wildfire' compared to other viruses is just alarmist propaganda based on nothing other than what you've read in the paper. Most pathogenic viruses spread easily |
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"My mother thought it was the flue at first but she was coughing a lot more and she coughed so much she broke a rib.
I was wondering if there is a way to find out if it was the virus? "
If only we had a government who'd invested in testing and mass surveillance... |
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"I don't know. I was very sick during January and early February with something that felt like a combination of the flu and a chest infection.
Other people around me also had similar symptoms, but not quite as bad.
So... who knows? Whatever it was, it was nasty.
As per my post somewhere above - if it didn't spread like crazy wildfire to the people around you, then the people around them, and so forth, it wasn't covid-19. Covid isn't the only nasty virus around by any means, but it is the one that is brand new to humans and hence rips through the population so quickly.
Please stop presenting your opinion as fact. These people are speculating something that is entirely plausible.
Your definition of COVID being something that spreads like 'crazy wildfire' compared to other viruses is just alarmist propaganda based on nothing other than what you've read in the paper. Most pathogenic viruses spread easily"
Agree with this.
Transmission rate might be 2.5 but that doesn't mean everyone passes to 2.5 people. It's just an average. Quite possible not to pass it on or to pass it on to some random in the supermarket having touched the same item. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My mother was in hospital from late January to mid February, she had all of the symptoms and pneumonia.
When I was waiting with her to get a bed, I can remember waiting with other people who described the same symptoms.
Could it of been the virus?
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Yes it was in the UK late October according to my gp |
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I know several people who had that coughing bug in January and February and think they might have had CV. The snag with that theory is that people weren't being admitted to hospital, and there weren't large numbers of deaths until late March |
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I had a weird flu back in late December/ early January which was the most serious I ever had. High temperature, a quasi-delirious state, a loss of taste and smell. I still carried on as normal thinking it was a very bad case of flu, but now I don't know. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I hate to think it will always be around like the common flue. I'm hoping it will burn itself out and or we will have a cure for it soon.. But this probably won't happen.  |
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"I had a weird flu back in late December/ early January which was the most serious I ever had. High temperature, a quasi-delirious state, a loss of taste and smell. I still carried on as normal thinking it was a very bad case of flu, but now I don't know. "
sounds similar to what I had... I'm almost sure it was covid 19
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My mother was in hospital from late January to mid February, she had all of the symptoms and pneumonia.
When I was waiting with her to get a bed, I can remember waiting with other people who described the same symptoms.
Could it of been the virus?
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i had it in December |
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By (user no longer on site)
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2nd and 3rd weeks of January I am 99% sure I had it. GP sent me to the hospital from his surgery and I was very unwell. Thankfully all good now thanks to the NHS.
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