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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So this lockdown and our general response to it is bringing out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
We've seen on a local level, huge acts of kindness with people being nice to their neighbours, helping them stay safe, helping them get shopping and things they need.
People doing all kinds of activities to raise money for charities and the NHS. Captain Tom as the prime example.
On the other hand we have elements of the mainstream press working people up into a xenophobic fever against China.
We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Americans being egged on my their president to defy the lockdown orders and protest.
What are you experiences?
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Well I can honestly say that I have been more disgusted by people than pleasantly surprised.
Particularly the countless threads on here, small minded ignorant, selfishness I could go on.
I could rant all day about how we have reached this point.
Then you see someone else like Captain Tom and such a simple act and people donating millions of pounds warms your heart..... sadly followed by a bitter aftertaste knowing that a news story will probably break saying someone has used the money raised to have a lovely holiday or buy a new car.
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Our street has a Facebook page as every year we have a street party. Our local police officers are also on there keeping is informed of any local problems. We generally look out for each other, but this lockdown has shown my neighbours in a new light.
Those lucky enough to have home delivery slots have said they'd order for anyone who needed it and drop it round. One of my neighbours has a shop and left, free of charge loo rolls on all our doorsteps. People, observing social distancing are talking to each other.
I find the media very good at manipulating emotions, but none was needed watching Captain Tom. Then there's the shameless Micheal Ball who managed to turn the interview into a promo for himself. I said to the other half as a joke, he'll want to duet with him: so said, so done.
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"Today I am at very low point and honestly can't see the point anymore!"
At the end of it all we will still have love.
Even after the divisiveness which people who should know better keep stoking. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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My experience is that people, when I see them, are generally going about their business in a generally respectful manner, adhering to the guidelines. I have been giving a neighbour eggs which are very welcome and cutting the hamlet grass. I along with fellow neighbours have been as normal as is possible.
The media unfortunately will continue to fuel a situation beyond the realms of panic and fear in to a whole new level as they never let a good crisis go to waste. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The amount of people who have used the situation to be unkind, judge and look down their nose at other people without having the slightest inckling of that persons circumstances. Some really nasty folk about   |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
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Well that was a bit of a low point, as I was also involved in that thread and another similar one.
I’ve tried to use reason and pragmatism to get through this. That extends to providing hopefully helpful advice in the forums about certain subjects I know a lot about. This whilst trying to reason with those who seem to take a myopic view of things.
Whilst I’m proud to still be delivering the service I do and making a difference to people’s lives, I have had a bad couple of weeks with management. They are looking to micromanage, looking for time and task justification reports with the implication we are not working hard enough. All topped off with an idle threat that we would be furloughed. My reaction was uncharacteristic of me. I value my clients but being threatened with furlough, I responded that I’d rather be getting 80% salary to do no work, than 100% to be doing 120% as we are currently doing.
I predicted a mental health impact before even the lockdown happened and I really wanted to be proved wrong. Unfortunately not the case.
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I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The amount of people who have used the situation to be unkind, judge and look down their nose at other people without having the slightest inckling of that persons circumstances. Some really nasty folk about "
Sadly, there are people who can only feel good about themselves if they put others down. It's an insecurity they have. It's a shame they cannot work on themselves instead. But they may not even be conscious that they have a problem. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Well that was a bit of a low point, as I was also involved in that thread and another similar one.
I’ve tried to use reason and pragmatism to get through this. That extends to providing hopefully helpful advice in the forums about certain subjects I know a lot about. This whilst trying to reason with those who seem to take a myopic view of things.
Whilst I’m proud to still be delivering the service I do and making a difference to people’s lives, I have had a bad couple of weeks with management. They are looking to micromanage, looking for time and task justification reports with the implication we are not working hard enough. All topped off with an idle threat that we would be furloughed. My reaction was uncharacteristic of me. I value my clients but being threatened with furlough, I responded that I’d rather be getting 80% salary to do no work, than 100% to be doing 120% as we are currently doing.
I predicted a mental health impact before even the lockdown happened and I really wanted to be proved wrong. Unfortunately not the case.
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To all this.
Some guy over on the "China" thread is now calling for nuclear war and genocide.
A new low. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Well that was a bit of a low point, as I was also involved in that thread and another similar one.
I’ve tried to use reason and pragmatism to get through this. That extends to providing hopefully helpful advice in the forums about certain subjects I know a lot about. This whilst trying to reason with those who seem to take a myopic view of things.
Whilst I’m proud to still be delivering the service I do and making a difference to people’s lives, I have had a bad couple of weeks with management. They are looking to micromanage, looking for time and task justification reports with the implication we are not working hard enough. All topped off with an idle threat that we would be furloughed. My reaction was uncharacteristic of me. I value my clients but being threatened with furlough, I responded that I’d rather be getting 80% salary to do no work, than 100% to be doing 120% as we are currently doing.
I predicted a mental health impact before even the lockdown happened and I really wanted to be proved wrong. Unfortunately not the case.
To all this.
Some guy over on the "China" thread is now calling for nuclear war and genocide.
A new low."
Fuck me  . The ironic thing is that should we endure a nuclear war of any type for any reason, providing there's organic life remaining, so will viruses (and other microbes). |
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It's the people that decide you can't do this, fine them for doing that.
The goverment directions are explicit
They don't need fucktards reinventing them
They are there for our protection
You can't leave home without a reasonable excuse. Examples are given but it's not an exhaustive list.
It's for nobody except the person involved, a police officer or thereafter a judge to decide what is a reasonable excuse and definitely not some busy body on social media. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Well that was a bit of a low point, as I was also involved in that thread and another similar one.
I’ve tried to use reason and pragmatism to get through this. That extends to providing hopefully helpful advice in the forums about certain subjects I know a lot about. This whilst trying to reason with those who seem to take a myopic view of things.
Whilst I’m proud to still be delivering the service I do and making a difference to people’s lives, I have had a bad couple of weeks with management. They are looking to micromanage, looking for time and task justification reports with the implication we are not working hard enough. All topped off with an idle threat that we would be furloughed. My reaction was uncharacteristic of me. I value my clients but being threatened with furlough, I responded that I’d rather be getting 80% salary to do no work, than 100% to be doing 120% as we are currently doing.
I predicted a mental health impact before even the lockdown happened and I really wanted to be proved wrong. Unfortunately not the case.
To all this.
Some guy over on the "China" thread is now calling for nuclear war and genocide.
A new low.
Fuck me . The ironic thing is that should we endure a nuclear war of any type for any reason, providing there's organic life remaining, so will viruses (and other microbes). "
True.
I guess the most horrific voices are louder and stand out. But sometimes it's hard to remember that most people are actually good, and are showing kindness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Well that was a bit of a low point, as I was also involved in that thread and another similar one.
I’ve tried to use reason and pragmatism to get through this. That extends to providing hopefully helpful advice in the forums about certain subjects I know a lot about. This whilst trying to reason with those who seem to take a myopic view of things.
Whilst I’m proud to still be delivering the service I do and making a difference to people’s lives, I have had a bad couple of weeks with management. They are looking to micromanage, looking for time and task justification reports with the implication we are not working hard enough. All topped off with an idle threat that we would be furloughed. My reaction was uncharacteristic of me. I value my clients but being threatened with furlough, I responded that I’d rather be getting 80% salary to do no work, than 100% to be doing 120% as we are currently doing.
I predicted a mental health impact before even the lockdown happened and I really wanted to be proved wrong. Unfortunately not the case.
To all this.
Some guy over on the "China" thread is now calling for nuclear war and genocide.
A new low.
Fuck me . The ironic thing is that should we endure a nuclear war of any type for any reason, providing there's organic life remaining, so will viruses (and other microbes).
True.
I guess the most horrific voices are louder and stand out. But sometimes it's hard to remember that most people are actually good, and are showing kindness."
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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Overwhelmingly I feel people are saying and doing the right things showing care, empathy and consideration for others. Unfortunately it’s human nature it seems to focus on the negative. There will always be a minority who come out with some very unsavoury things but that doesn’t change the overwhelming support.
I will focus on the positives and there are a lot around |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its certainly bought the worst out of a certain proportion and type of people taking delight over this so they can undertake a political agenda.
The majority of people however, are good, decent, people who see this as a time to unite. The inquests can take place after.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Its certainly bought the worst out of a certain proportion and type of people taking delight over this so they can undertake a political agenda.
The majority of people however, are good, decent, people who see this as a time to unite. The inquests can take place after.
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So far you're firmly in the divide the people camp.
And the political points scoring camp.
As evidenced by this post you just made in a discussion about the virus bringing out the best and worst in people.
Excellent example but not the absolute worst in people, your sustained personal insults would also fall firmly into the negative camp. But this is the norm for you, and hasn't changed with the virus situation.
But really I was talking about good deeds Vs the absolutely horrendous stuff some people are saying about, like bringing in slaves, forced labour, racism against Chinese people, and even one guy advocating genocide and nuclear war. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add. "
What else can they do? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Its certainly bought the worst out of a certain proportion and type of people taking delight over this so they can undertake a political agenda.
The majority of people however, are good, decent, people who see this as a time to unite. The inquests can take place after.
So far you're firmly in the divide the people camp.
And the political points scoring camp.
As evidenced by this post you just made in a discussion about the virus bringing out the best and worst in people.
Excellent example but not the absolute worst in people, your sustained personal insults would also fall firmly into the negative camp. But this is the norm for you, and hasn't changed with the virus situation.
But really I was talking about good deeds Vs the absolutely horrendous stuff some people are saying about, like bringing in slaves, forced labour, racism against Chinese people, and even one guy advocating genocide and nuclear war. "
I think you will find I am for bringing out the good in people. My post is pretty clear on that. Well done for being argumentative if it makes you feelbetter.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Its certainly bought the worst out of a certain proportion and type of people taking delight over this so they can undertake a political agenda.
The majority of people however, are good, decent, people who see this as a time to unite. The inquests can take place after.
So far you're firmly in the divide the people camp.
And the political points scoring camp.
As evidenced by this post you just made in a discussion about the virus bringing out the best and worst in people.
Excellent example but not the absolute worst in people, your sustained personal insults would also fall firmly into the negative camp. But this is the norm for you, and hasn't changed with the virus situation.
But really I was talking about good deeds Vs the absolutely horrendous stuff some people are saying about, like bringing in slaves, forced labour, racism against Chinese people, and even one guy advocating genocide and nuclear war.
I think you will find I am for bringing out the good in people. My post is pretty clear on that. Well done for being argumentative if it makes you feelbetter.
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If this is true, why this sudden new attitude?
Maybe your a changed man, suddenly found some character?
An unexpected positive to come out of this disaster?
Or, I suspect you're just here to insult people as per usual. |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What else can they do?"
By my count there are about 8 possible 'tools'the government could use in many combinations. Our government is using just 1 and it happens to the 1 that is the most invasive on civil liberties, the most crude and most expensive. The clear evidence is that it doesn't generate better health results either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What else can they do?
By my count there are about 8 possible 'tools'the government could use in many combinations. Our government is using just 1 and it happens to the 1 that is the most invasive on civil liberties, the most crude and most expensive. The clear evidence is that it doesn't generate better health results either. "
But what else can the people do. |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What else can they do?
By my count there are about 8 possible 'tools'the government could use in many combinations. Our government is using just 1 and it happens to the 1 that is the most invasive on civil liberties, the most crude and most expensive. The clear evidence is that it doesn't generate better health results either.
But what else can the people do. "
Stop approving of the governments shitty performance and agree to better measures like contact tracing and mass testing |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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If anyone has a complaint:
* Write to the Government or Minister or Politician.
* Do something personally about it.
* Realise that hindsight is a a really useful baseball bat against anything that you personally disaprove of.
Living in the NOW gets more done. Stood around a hole looking down won't get the hole dug.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its certainly bought the worst out of a certain proportion and type of people taking delight over this so they can undertake a political agenda.
The majority of people however, are good, decent, people who see this as a time to unite. The inquests can take place after.
So far you're firmly in the divide the people camp.
And the political points scoring camp.
As evidenced by this post you just made in a discussion about the virus bringing out the best and worst in people.
Excellent example but not the absolute worst in people, your sustained personal insults would also fall firmly into the negative camp. But this is the norm for you, and hasn't changed with the virus situation.
But really I was talking about good deeds Vs the absolutely horrendous stuff some people are saying about, like bringing in slaves, forced labour, racism against Chinese people, and even one guy advocating genocide and nuclear war.
I think you will find I am for bringing out the good in people. My post is pretty clear on that. Well done for being argumentative if it makes you feelbetter.
If this is true, why this sudden new attitude?
Maybe your a changed man, suddenly found some character?
An unexpected positive to come out of this disaster?
Or, I suspect you're just here to insult people as per usual."
Firstly; who have I insulted?
Secondly; why are you trying to start an argument when there isn't one to be had?
I have made a post wnd you don't like it. Your problem, not mine. |
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"If anyone has a complaint:
* Write to the Government or Minister or Politician.
* Do something personally about it.
* Realise that hindsight is a a really useful baseball bat against anything that you personally disaprove of.
Living in the NOW gets more done. Stood around a hole looking down won't get the hole dug.
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This disaster is really not a good example of something that could only have been handled better in hindsight. |
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Think I saw the worst in the first week of this crisis when some people raided the supermarkets and stocked up on toilet rolls ,pasta and other things leaving shelves empty ,remember the news clip of the nurse who had just finished a 12 hour shift went shopping only to find the shelves stripped she broke down in tears, |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If anyone has a complaint:
* Write to the Government or Minister or Politician.
* Do something personally about it.
* Realise that hindsight is a a really useful baseball bat against anything that you personally disaprove of.
Living in the NOW gets more done. Stood around a hole looking down won't get the hole dug.
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I keep posting this sentimwnt. But why anyone thinks we shouldn't be questioning the governments performance on this crisis is beyond me. 1000 people or more are dying per day. I'm sure those people would love to be "living in the now", buy can't. Some of these would still be here today if the government had followed the scientific advice.
If you're happy with this, fine, but why do you try to put down people who want to speak up? Surely we can exercise our right to free speech? |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add. "
What you don't realise that those of us on furlough know it's just a reprieve until we're made redundant. I'm on furlough from a job I started in November so not even completed my probation period.
Using your made up statistic I'd say 66% of us are shitting bricks wondering if we'll be able to keep a roof over our heads. Furlough is not an extended holiday! I have children and grandchildren I'm longing to cuddle. We're prepared to do what it takes...not as if it'll be forever.
My other half is a self employed heating engineer. Can't see many people, unless an absolute emergency calling out a plumber anytime soon.
Financially we will struggle. Wont have a care in the world or worry about kith and kin six feet under.
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Just saw on the tv that the cases of attempted corona virus based frauds have been increasing. I personally think if and when the one responsible are caught they should be paraded around the streets once convicted to show everyone who they are and what they have done.
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"Just saw on the tv that the cases of attempted corona virus based frauds have been increasing. I personally think if and when the one responsible are caught they should be paraded around the streets once convicted to show everyone who they are and what they have done.
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Why would you fake Corona? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
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It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
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Sorry worded that wrongly
Scammers using corona the threat of corona virus to get people to part with money. Bank scams shopping scams
Telephone scams all using corona virus as reason for the contact |
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"Sorry worded that wrongly
Scammers using corona the threat of corona virus to get people to part with money. Bank scams shopping scams
Telephone scams all using corona virus as reason for the contact "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sorry worded that wrongly
Scammers using corona the threat of corona virus to get people to part with money. Bank scams shopping scams
Telephone scams all using corona virus as reason for the contact "
These people suck. Some people have no morals |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Today I am at very low point and honestly can't see the point anymore!"
I get that and its inevitable that we will feel like this at times like this. If there is any good to come from this, it might be to remind us about what is important and how fragile things are. I have hope the sun will shine again for us.
It is also inevitable that an event like this shows the unpleasant side of some people. |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What you don't realise that those of us on furlough know it's just a reprieve until we're made redundant. I'm on furlough from a job I started in November so not even completed my probation period.
Using your made up statistic I'd say 66% of us are shitting bricks wondering if we'll be able to keep a roof over our heads. Furlough is not an extended holiday! I have children and grandchildren I'm longing to cuddle. We're prepared to do what it takes...not as if it'll be forever.
My other half is a self employed heating engineer. Can't see many people, unless an absolute emergency calling out a plumber anytime soon.
Financially we will struggle. Wont have a care in the world or worry about kith and kin six feet under.
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Actually it's from YouGov. Why do you think 66% of the population is positive about the governments objectively awful handling of this? |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
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Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing. |
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over a year ago
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What you don't realise that those of us on furlough know it's just a reprieve until we're made redundant. I'm on furlough from a job I started in November so not even completed my probation period.
Using your made up statistic I'd say 66% of us are shitting bricks wondering if we'll be able to keep a roof over our heads. Furlough is not an extended holiday! I have children and grandchildren I'm longing to cuddle. We're prepared to do what it takes...not as if it'll be forever.
My other half is a self employed heating engineer. Can't see many people, unless an absolute emergency calling out a plumber anytime soon.
Financially we will struggle. Wont have a care in the world or worry about kith and kin six feet under.
Actually it's from YouGov. Why do you think 66% of the population is positive about the governments objectively awful handling of this? "
Normalcy bias |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What you don't realise that those of us on furlough know it's just a reprieve until we're made redundant. I'm on furlough from a job I started in November so not even completed my probation period.
Using your made up statistic I'd say 66% of us are shitting bricks wondering if we'll be able to keep a roof over our heads. Furlough is not an extended holiday! I have children and grandchildren I'm longing to cuddle. We're prepared to do what it takes...not as if it'll be forever.
My other half is a self employed heating engineer. Can't see many people, unless an absolute emergency calling out a plumber anytime soon.
Financially we will struggle. Wont have a care in the world or worry about kith and kin six feet under.
Actually it's from YouGov. Why do you think 66% of the population is positive about the governments objectively awful handling of this?
Normalcy bias"
Don't really see the link to be honest. If we woke up tomorrow and the virus was gone, we'd still objectively be the 4th or 5th worst effected country. Are people just glad to be anything other than the worst effected!? |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing."
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money. |
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"So this lockdown and our general response to it is bringing out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
We've seen on a local level, huge acts of kindness with people being nice to their neighbours, helping them stay safe, helping them get shopping and things they need.
People doing all kinds of activities to raise money for charities and the NHS. Captain Tom as the prime example.
On the other hand we have elements of the mainstream press working people up into a xenophobic fever against China.
We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Americans being egged on my their president to defy the lockdown orders and protest.
What are you experiences?
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Excellent post I think that whilst most people have been decent human beings at this difficult time, there are still some who try to use the situation to push reinforce their own horrendous ideals. For example, there was a real asshole on here the other day who was trying to convince people that the rights of murderers, p*adophiles and r*pists was a more important issue than that of children dying of starvation At first, a few sycophants agreed with him until they realised how sick his agenda was, then they pulled out of the thread. A quick look at the profile and green arrow showed that not only was he consistent with his lack of empathy, but that he'd probably never missed a meal in his entire life Another asshole even intimated that he didn't give a shit because he didn't have any kids himself which just made me feel nauseous. As is usual with cowards though, the first afore-mentioned asshole pulled out of the thread without being able to justify his sick views. Luckily, Britain in the main is populated by decent people and these will always overcome those with such despicable notions. I'll bet he still goes out to clap for the NHS, but is the first to hide behind a child when trouble starts. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money. "
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets? |
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"So this lockdown and our general response to it is bringing out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
We've seen on a local level, huge acts of kindness with people being nice to their neighbours, helping them stay safe, helping them get shopping and things they need.
People doing all kinds of activities to raise money for charities and the NHS. Captain Tom as the prime example.
On the other hand we have elements of the mainstream press working people up into a xenophobic fever against China.
We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Americans being egged on my their president to defy the lockdown orders and protest.
What are you experiences?
Excellent post I think that whilst most people have been decent human beings at this difficult time, there are still some who try to use the situation to push reinforce their own horrendous ideals. For example, there was a real asshole on here the other day who was trying to convince people that the rights of murderers, p*adophiles and r*pists was a more important issue than that of children dying of starvation At first, a few sycophants agreed with him until they realised how sick his agenda was, then they pulled out of the thread. A quick look at the profile and green arrow showed that not only was he consistent with his lack of empathy, but that he'd probably never missed a meal in his entire life Another asshole even intimated that he didn't give a shit because he didn't have any kids himself which just made me feel nauseous. As is usual with cowards though, the first afore-mentioned asshole pulled out of the thread without being able to justify his sick views. Luckily, Britain in the main is populated by decent people and these will always overcome those with such despicable notions. I'll bet he still goes out to clap for the NHS, but is the first to hide behind a child when trouble starts."
I'll be honest, I can't be arsed to read this. Anyone who thinks slavery and forced labour is a good plan, doesn't have anything to say that I will find remotely interesting.
Feel free to post more. It's a public forum, and I believe in free speech, but don't expect me to read it. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets? "
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead. |
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"So this lockdown and our general response to it is bringing out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
We've seen on a local level, huge acts of kindness with people being nice to their neighbours, helping them stay safe, helping them get shopping and things they need.
People doing all kinds of activities to raise money for charities and the NHS. Captain Tom as the prime example.
On the other hand we have elements of the mainstream press working people up into a xenophobic fever against China.
We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Americans being egged on my their president to defy the lockdown orders and protest.
What are you experiences?
Excellent post I think that whilst most people have been decent human beings at this difficult time, there are still some who try to use the situation to push reinforce their own horrendous ideals. For example, there was a real asshole on here the other day who was trying to convince people that the rights of murderers, p*adophiles and r*pists was a more important issue than that of children dying of starvation At first, a few sycophants agreed with him until they realised how sick his agenda was, then they pulled out of the thread. A quick look at the profile and green arrow showed that not only was he consistent with his lack of empathy, but that he'd probably never missed a meal in his entire life Another asshole even intimated that he didn't give a shit because he didn't have any kids himself which just made me feel nauseous. As is usual with cowards though, the first afore-mentioned asshole pulled out of the thread without being able to justify his sick views. Luckily, Britain in the main is populated by decent people and these will always overcome those with such despicable notions. I'll bet he still goes out to clap for the NHS, but is the first to hide behind a child when trouble starts."
Agree on the first bit. Don't remember the posts you refer to so I probably just passed them by but they do sound like not very nice people, although there is always two sides to every story. I just can't be arsed to look at the other side in this instance  |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead. "
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names? |
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"So this lockdown and our general response to it is bringing out the very best and the very worst in humanity.
We've seen on a local level, huge acts of kindness with people being nice to their neighbours, helping them stay safe, helping them get shopping and things they need.
People doing all kinds of activities to raise money for charities and the NHS. Captain Tom as the prime example.
On the other hand we have elements of the mainstream press working people up into a xenophobic fever against China.
We had one guy on another thread calling for slavery and forced labour to be implemented.
Americans being egged on my their president to defy the lockdown orders and protest.
What are you experiences?
Excellent post I think that whilst most people have been decent human beings at this difficult time, there are still some who try to use the situation to push reinforce their own horrendous ideals. For example, there was a real asshole on here the other day who was trying to convince people that the rights of murderers, p*adophiles and r*pists was a more important issue than that of children dying of starvation At first, a few sycophants agreed with him until they realised how sick his agenda was, then they pulled out of the thread. A quick look at the profile and green arrow showed that not only was he consistent with his lack of empathy, but that he'd probably never missed a meal in his entire life Another asshole even intimated that he didn't give a shit because he didn't have any kids himself which just made me feel nauseous. As is usual with cowards though, the first afore-mentioned asshole pulled out of the thread without being able to justify his sick views. Luckily, Britain in the main is populated by decent people and these will always overcome those with such despicable notions. I'll bet he still goes out to clap for the NHS, but is the first to hide behind a child when trouble starts.
Agree on the first bit. Don't remember the posts you refer to so I probably just passed them by but they do sound like not very nice people, although there is always two sides to every story. I just can't be arsed to look at the other side in this instance "
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names? "
Lol. No, I don't know what his kids names are. But it's because he seems to be the most brazenly self serving of all the pricks. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names? "
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM |
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I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM "
What makes him a disaster capitalist? |
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
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Why are you giving this a thumbs up? You just follow me around the forums insulting me, ever since you asked me a question about UK law around referendums, and I answered you.
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
Why are you giving this a thumbs up? You just follow me around the forums insulting me, ever since you asked me a question about UK law around referendums, and I answered you.
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
Why are you giving this a thumbs up? You just follow me around the forums insulting me, ever since you asked me a question about UK law around referendums, and I answered you.
I can thumbs up whatever I want to. How does this affect or insult you?"
Just a little off putting to see your little gang follow suit after he pulled you...and all having been on the thread about how nice you all are  |
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
Why are you giving this a thumbs up? You just follow me around the forums insulting me, ever since you asked me a question about UK law around referendums, and I answered you.
I can thumbs up whatever I want to. How does this affect or insult you?
Just a little off putting to see your little gang follow suit after he pulled you...and all having been on the thread about how nice you all are "
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"Sorry worded that wrongly
Scammers using corona the threat of corona virus to get people to part with money. Bank scams shopping scams
Telephone scams all using corona virus as reason for the contact "
Nothing new sadly. When the virus first broke in italy people were phoned to say someone would be around to swab them. Someone turned up alright and beat the people up before robbing them. Low lives. |
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By *oggoneMan
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?"
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions |
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"Anyway. Plenty of examples of the absolute worst on this thread already.
How about anything positive?"
Netflix Tiger King.
That shit came out of nowhere. And I can’t stop watching it.
Perfect quarantine fodder.
The lockdowns also done wonders for my bank balance.
And despite what the critics say watching people clap for the NHS. |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What you don't realise that those of us on furlough know it's just a reprieve until we're made redundant. I'm on furlough from a job I started in November so not even completed my probation period.
Using your made up statistic I'd say 66% of us are shitting bricks wondering if we'll be able to keep a roof over our heads. Furlough is not an extended holiday! I have children and grandchildren I'm longing to cuddle. We're prepared to do what it takes...not as if it'll be forever.
My other half is a self employed heating engineer. Can't see many people, unless an absolute emergency calling out a plumber anytime soon.
Financially we will struggle. Wont have a care in the world or worry about kith and kin six feet under.
Actually it's from YouGov. Why do you think 66% of the population is positive about the governments objectively awful handling of this? "
I think the goverment handling of this is criminal! It was your suggestion that those of us on furlough are seeing this as a holiday when in fact we're scared shitless. Every extension on the lockdown raises our anxiety level. My other half and I are knocking on 60...no 60th birthday party for me; I want to get back to work but will play my part in speeding that day up. |
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https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions"
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause. |
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"Anyway. Plenty of examples of the absolute worst on this thread already.
How about anything positive?
Netflix Tiger King.
That shit came out of nowhere. And I can’t stop watching it.
Perfect quarantine fodder.
The lockdowns also done wonders for my bank balance.
And despite what the critics say watching people clap for the NHS. "
I feel like some things are produced just to become memes |
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"I think the government response is indefensible, yet 66% of the population is happy with it! I guess a lot of people like getting paid to sit on their ass and not go to work. Fuck the consequences, right. That makes me feel quite emotionally distanced, to accompany my social distancing from the population. However, support in London is noticeably lower at 38%, which funnily enough is the place where the most people are actually seeing the government response.
It's also scary how willingly people throw their civil liberties under the bus the second there is a crisis. People who demonstrate no understand of the options available I'll add.
What you don't realise that those of us on furlough know it's just a reprieve until we're made redundant. I'm on furlough from a job I started in November so not even completed my probation period.
Using your made up statistic I'd say 66% of us are shitting bricks wondering if we'll be able to keep a roof over our heads. Furlough is not an extended holiday! I have children and grandchildren I'm longing to cuddle. We're prepared to do what it takes...not as if it'll be forever.
My other half is a self employed heating engineer. Can't see many people, unless an absolute emergency calling out a plumber anytime soon.
Financially we will struggle. Wont have a care in the world or worry about kith and kin six feet under.
Actually it's from YouGov. Why do you think 66% of the population is positive about the governments objectively awful handling of this?
I think the goverment handling of this is criminal! It was your suggestion that those of us on furlough are seeing this as a holiday when in fact we're scared shitless. Every extension on the lockdown raises our anxiety level. My other half and I are knocking on 60...no 60th birthday party for me; I want to get back to work but will play my part in speeding that day up."
No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about? |
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"Anyway. Plenty of examples of the absolute worst on this thread already.
How about anything positive?
Netflix Tiger King.
That shit came out of nowhere. And I can’t stop watching it.
Perfect quarantine fodder.
The lockdowns also done wonders for my bank balance.
And despite what the critics say watching people clap for the NHS.
I feel like some things are produced just to become memes"
It’s a thing of beauty. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause. "
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him. |
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"It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause. "
No. But his campaigning to leave the EU, and his votes in parliament to leave, and his push for the hardest brexit possible. Has all contributed to Brexit and the devaluation of the pound. Which he did very well out of.
In my mind, this should be a conflict of interest. He clearly put his personal wealth and ambition above that of serving the country. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him."
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article. |
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over a year ago
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"It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
No. But his campaigning to leave the EU, and his votes in parliament to leave, and his push for the hardest brexit possible. Has all contributed to Brexit and the devaluation of the pound. Which he did very well out of.
In my mind, this should be a conflict of interest. He clearly put his personal wealth and ambition above that of serving the country."
Surely after the referendum, pushing for brexit was serving the country since that's what was voted for? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article. "
How many of these labour millionaires are in a position to influence govt policy? Commy, you're funny. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article. "
Saying well other people do it is hardly The best defence in the world.
At best its ethically questionable but like I said it wont make a hot of difference to his constituents. |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article.
How many of these labour millionaires are in a position to influence govt policy? Commy, you're funny."
I reject the premise of the question that he's a particularly influential figure. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article.
How many of these labour millionaires are in a position to influence govt policy? Commy, you're funny.
I reject the premise of the question that he's a particularly influential figure. "
Ever heard of the ERG? |
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"https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/alert/coronavirus-scam-costs-victims-over-800k-in-one-month
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article.
How many of these labour millionaires are in a position to influence govt policy? Commy, you're funny.
I reject the premise of the question that he's a particularly influential figure. "
The ERG are influencial. And he's an MP in the ruling party. So he's in the top 500 people in the country who can influence government policy. |
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https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article.
How many of these labour millionaires are in a position to influence govt policy? Commy, you're funny.
I reject the premise of the question that he's a particularly influential figure.
The ERG are influencial. And he's an MP in the ruling party. So he's in the top 500 people in the country who can influence government policy."
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"It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
No. But his campaigning to leave the EU, and his votes in parliament to leave, and his push for the hardest brexit possible. Has all contributed to Brexit and the devaluation of the pound. Which he did very well out of.
In my mind, this should be a conflict of interest. He clearly put his personal wealth and ambition above that of serving the country.
Surely after the referendum, pushing for brexit was serving the country since that's what was voted for?"
His actions were before the referendum vote. Whatever your view on Brexit. Rees-Mogg and other investors who shorted the pound on the stock markets are among the only British people to financially benefit from leaving the EU. Meanwhile the cost to the British economy is in the hundreds of billions. |
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https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/coronavirus-scam-calls-and-texts
It's horrific when people use a crisis like this for personal gain and to make money.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rees-mogg-firms-plan-to-profit-from-coronavirus-called-grotesque-135336248.html
Idiotic article that only a financially illiterate person could find convincing.
It's not the article as such that's the point I'm making. There's lots of articles out there you can pick a better written piece if you like. The point is people using the pandemic to make money from themselves. And Rees Mogg is only in politics to get richer, look at all his ERG stuff and his role in Brexit.
Anyway, I was using this example to compare his behaviour to people using the pandemic to scam people out of money.
And that's a really stupid comparison to make. What exactly would you like him not to do at this time given he's already invested in various stock markets?
I will object to him being allowed to be involved in politics and business at the same time. He clearly influences government policy and is in a position to vote for UK law that benefits him personally financially.
I would prefer politicians to be voting for what's in the interest of the country instead.
Right so nothing to do with him or what that article says specifically, just statements that apply just as much to the other 649 MPs. But he gets singled out because he's a posh twat who gives his children silly names?
Because he's a disaster capitalist is my main problem with JRM
What makes him a disaster capitalist?
Mogg told the Time in 2015 told the Times in 2015: “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.”
Mogg Sr co-authored Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World Gone Mad Hardcover.
His investment company shorted the pound https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1168108704077688832?s=20 https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/02/08/2198570/jacob-rees-moggs-huge-personal-windfall-after-brexit/
Somerset Capital was advising investors of opportunities arising from the corona virus pandemic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351
His position in parliament allows him to influence policy and profit from those decisions
Do you honestly not understand how weak your case is? He's a back bencher who invests in markets... like most the MPs in the house. The mirror article is written for the financially illiterate and no case to answer for. You might have had something on shorting the pound if he was a remain campaigner. But since he campaigned for the side predicted to lose but stuck his money where his mouth is, your argument is weak as fuck. It's not like his trading actually helped caused the pound to fall, unlike George Soros whose money is always welcome for the opposite cause.
I think the issue is a moral one.He is linked with a company that basically said let's make money out of this horrific crises.I believe his father wrote a book on a similiar thing.
You can argue all you like about the technicalities of it..but you have a government criticising footballers on not taking a pay cut and a very rich mp lining his own pockets when the nhs he helped to savage is on its arse.
Saying that it won't make the blind bit of difference to the people who vote for him.
I'm not against your moral objection, but it applies to all MPs. If your point is that you want less conflict of interest in the house then I'm with your commy ass. But these articles are written by people who have no idea how stock markets work and picking on him because of inverse snobbery since he sounds like that guy who wants bitty. Plenty of labour millionaires doing exactly the same thing as that mirror article.
How many of these labour millionaires are in a position to influence govt policy? Commy, you're funny.
I reject the premise of the question that he's a particularly influential figure.
The ERG are influencial. And he's an MP in the ruling party. So he's in the top 500 people in the country who can influence government policy.
That's not how it works. None of the lizard people are MPs."
Not even Gove? He seems at least semi reptilian. |
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"I've been shocked by the amount of negativity and hatred on these forums lately, surely we should be trying to keep each other positive, not constantly posting depressing and negative posts.
Why are you giving this a thumbs up? You just follow me around the forums insulting me, ever since you asked me a question about UK law around referendums, and I answered you.
I can thumbs up whatever I want to. How does this affect or insult you?
Just a little off putting to see your little gang follow suit after he pulled you...and all having been on the thread about how nice you all are "
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"Even this thread is turning into a chest puffing bitch fest.
It's seriously making me question my faith in the human race. Some of you are so filled with hatred and negativity. "
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Just found the following numbers on the BBC website’s, "Coronavirus Map":
Deaths to 19-4-20:
Age Group___Deaths____%
0 to 19__________8____0.06
20 to 39_______107____0.74
40 to 59_____1,125 ____7.81
60 to 79_____5,713____39.67
80 and over__7,447____51.72
Totals______14,400___100.00
“There also appeared to be a disproportionate impact on those from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) communities.”
Whilst the actual numbers are contentious, the percentages do give a sense of the risk to people in the various age groups.
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"Even this thread is turning into a chest puffing bitch fest.
It's seriously making me question my faith in the human race. Some of you are so filled with hatred and negativity. "
Agreed.
Seems to be a lot of false concern for victims. It’s all about winning an internet argument. |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about? "
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk"
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me. |
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over a year ago
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me. "
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact. |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact. "
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!? |
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over a year ago
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?"
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality? |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality?"
I have no idea what it's based on, that's what I'm trying to understand. You said "feelings trump facts" so my theory is it's all the people getting paid to do fuck all that think he's doing a good job. Who else has a positive feeling right now other than people who hate their jobs and are getting paid to not do it. |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality?"
I don't know any Tories in real life, so can only go off here. They seem unfazed by his incompetence, like they expected it maybe?
The main themes seem to be:
1. The Baldrick defence of deny everything.
2. Speculate that it would be even worse if someone else was PM.
3. Blame China.
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk"
Try your poor maths again. 100 minus 66 does not equal 44. I hope you weren't the poster who made the comment about financial literacy when you may be numerically challenged.  |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Try your poor maths again. 100 minus 66 does not equal 44. I hope you weren't the poster who made the comment about financial literacy when you may be numerically challenged. "
Was it priti Patel..? |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality?
I have no idea what it's based on, that's what I'm trying to understand. You said "feelings trump facts" so my theory is it's all the people getting paid to do fuck all that think he's doing a good job. Who else has a positive feeling right now other than people who hate their jobs and are getting paid to not do it. "
I think you are misunderstanding what he said. |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality?
I have no idea what it's based on, that's what I'm trying to understand. You said "feelings trump facts" so my theory is it's all the people getting paid to do fuck all that think he's doing a good job. Who else has a positive feeling right now other than people who hate their jobs and are getting paid to not do it. "
Boris knows he only got to no. 10 due to the public wanting Brexit to be sorted once and for all. He even stated that he had to get on with things to thank those voters up north who voted for a tory govt for the first time in decades, having faith in him over the Brexit debacle. It was a one issue election. |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Try your poor maths again. 100 minus 66 does not equal 44. I hope you weren't the poster who made the comment about financial literacy when you may be numerically challenged.
Was it priti Patel..? "
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Try your poor maths again. 100 minus 66 does not equal 44. I hope you weren't the poster who made the comment about financial literacy when you may be numerically challenged.
Was it priti Patel..?
Is she here? "
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality?
I have no idea what it's based on, that's what I'm trying to understand. You said "feelings trump facts" so my theory is it's all the people getting paid to do fuck all that think he's doing a good job. Who else has a positive feeling right now other than people who hate their jobs and are getting paid to not do it. "
Once again, I'm not saying that anyone is feeling particularly good right now. I'm taking about the set of circumstances that has lead to disaster of leadership. The reality based community has been discounted in the post truth society that Boris typifies. It's even more ironic given the dismissal of expertise that is a feature of the post truth society. But if you think its people that are getting paid not to do their jobs, you do you. |
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No I just cannot for the life of me understand how 66% are satisfied and I'm seeking a logical explanation. It's rare than more than half the people would be satisfied with the government if they announced a second Christmas each year. What the fuck are 66% so happy about?
Being one of the 44% how would you even consider the thought of understanding the 66%
It's illogical captain kirk
Without opening a can of worms, I do understand both sides of the brexit debate. I don't think everyone on either side was a complete moron. I even understand why some people like Jeremy fucking Corbyn. I consider myself (usually) capable of seeing other peoples point of view, but this baffles me.
I think it's because of a few different factors. Facts are not objective in 2020, dis and misinformation is endemic, polarisation is more accepted than concensus and feeling now trumps fact.
Who the fuck is feeling good right now!?
Where the fuck did I say anyone is feeling good right now?
I hope we both agree that there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership with regard to coronavirus in the UK. Boris cynically rode a populist sentiment wave all the way to Downing St. And just about the time that he was getting the WA act through parliament, CV19 was an impending threat to Europe. Boris took a 2 week break in the country. Since then there's been bluster, bullshit, deflection and misdirected blame to accompany unnecessary deaths.
Yet despite all of this, he has high approval for going full steam into an iceberg. Do you think that high approval is based on reality?
I have no idea what it's based on, that's what I'm trying to understand. You said "feelings trump facts" so my theory is it's all the people getting paid to do fuck all that think he's doing a good job. Who else has a positive feeling right now other than people who hate their jobs and are getting paid to not do it.
Once again, I'm not saying that anyone is feeling particularly good right now. I'm taking about the set of circumstances that has lead to disaster of leadership. The reality based community has been discounted in the post truth society that Boris typifies. It's even more ironic given the dismissal of expertise that is a feature of the post truth society. But if you think its people that are getting paid not to do their jobs, you do you."
Doubly ironic seeing all we have heard the last few weeks is..well we are only doing what the experts tell us too. |
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My experience? Not getting a haircut. Shopping once a fortnight. Avoiding people on my daily walk. Talking to my neighbours at a safe distance. Keeping in touch with family and friends by phone. Not being at work. Gradually running out of money. Wondering why so many people don't understand that life, as they have known it, is over - and it's not coming back.
And, as always, being grateful I live in a country - for all its very many flaws - that is safer to live in than most and which places at least some small value on my life. |
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