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By *aro7 OP Man
over a year ago
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But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely  |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely "
What's going on? |
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over a year ago
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Definitely m8. China has started all this. They are the only country to go to war with every country in the world. I think America will blitz china after all this bloody epidemic is over  |
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By *aro7 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Definitely m8. China has started all this. They are the only country to go to war with every country in the world. I think America will blitz china after all this bloody epidemic is over "
Seems im not the only one and i know there is many people out that feel this way,,,,,,,  |
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely "
So let's assume they'd rather kill doctors than admit the truth, by what mechanism do you expect them to hand over of billions of pounds as opposed to a glass of shut up juice? |
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over a year ago
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely
So let's assume they'd rather kill doctors than admit the truth, by what mechanism do you expect them to hand over of billions of pounds as opposed to a glass of shut up juice? "
trade sanctions |
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely
So let's assume they'd rather kill doctors than admit the truth, by what mechanism do you expect them to hand over of billions of pounds as opposed to a glass of shut up juice?
trade sanctions"
I suppose that could work if enough countries have a combined approach for long enough |
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By *aro7 OP Man
over a year ago
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely
So let's assume they'd rather kill doctors than admit the truth, by what mechanism do you expect them to hand over of billions of pounds as opposed to a glass of shut up juice? "
They would rather kill docters than tell the truth, where can you buy shut up juice? Would that be Waitrose?  |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely
So let's assume they'd rather kill doctors than admit the truth, by what mechanism do you expect them to hand over of billions of pounds as opposed to a glass of shut up juice?
They would rather kill docters than tell the truth, where can you buy shut up juice? Would that be Waitrose? "
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea."
Not this again. What good would come out of sanctions against China? The only people who will suffer if it happens are poor people. Have you not seen what happens to most countries who get sanctioned and who suffers the most? Economics sanctions will only make things worse for those who don't have much already |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely "
The very nature of the regime the CCP runs makes it virtually impossible to clearly understand what is true and what is false. The whole country runs on chicanery, lies and misinformation. Yes, very serious questions, investigations and hard hitting consequences need to be leveled at the CCP. My concern is for the people, as they don't really have a choice in what their so called 'government' says or does. The CCP is bang out of order. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"The bit i don't understand is how china managed to infect the whole world except Shanghai and Beijing. Miracle "
Quite rightly, I think many of us have the same thoughts. I am of the belief the Chinese infection rate is in its millions. It just does not compute a country with high, dense population would have such low figures. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yay.
Yet another thread of misinformed daily mail readers calling for China to be punished.
Maybe we could have a subsection for this under the virus heading? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Name us a country or government that hasnt tried to hide or play down its mistakes ? Or at least delayed information until it knows the facts for sure. If the issue of the virus coming from the market as china states then maybe the world should concentrate on animal welfare and hygiene to try and prevent anything like this happening again...a trade war or sanctions isnt the answer the virus is a global problem now and needs an outlook to prevent any re-occurrence of it or similar.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i dont think there will be any direct action ... but i think the rest of the world will start to manufacture the more important things closer to home from meds to ppe and other things china will pay in the long run if proven they did wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If China tried to cover this up and colluded with the WHO why shouldn't they be held responsible?"
No, let's not find out what happened, because the details are far from black and white, it's a very complex situation. Let's Donald Trump it, and do anything we can to deflect from our own governments poor performance during the pandemic.
The masses will eat it up. |
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea."
They will just put up import tax and sanctions, China will get punished. |
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea.
They will just put up import tax and sanctions, China will get punished."
Think about what you just said. What would China do if we did that? What would the implications be for the UK? Who would really suffer? |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea.
They will just put up import tax and sanctions, China will get punished."
As they should be and I've still not heard a good reason as to why they shouldn't be held accountable |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
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"Yeah trade sanctions,,,,,,,,"
Thats a joke, both B.A. and Virgin are sending empty passenger jets to China and they are returning full to the brim with Chinese made medical equipment and supplies.
The world is too dependent on China, ask Trump, he has tried it.
Perhaps your thread is yet another China bashing one. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"Definitely m8. China has started all this. They are the only country to go to war with every country in the world. I think America will blitz china after all this bloody epidemic is over "
Aren't you forgetting Germany? World Wars 1 & 2? Where's your proof that China has been to war with "every" country in the world? Please enlighten us. |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
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"I'd like to think that people will stop buying their stuff. That seems to be the only way we can affect them."
And where will we get alternative products from? |
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over a year ago
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"How do you "sue" a country that consistently ignores international law governed by a CCP that lies through it's teeth?"
How do you "sue" a country that consistently ignores international law governed by a Conservative party that lies through it's teeth?
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I guess China could sue us for cjd.
They could sue South America for bird flu.
Democratic Republic of Congo for hiv.
I think UK / France and the USA are on the hook for Spanish flu.
Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo for ebola.
I guess Britain and America can be on the hook for pretty much all cancer deaths due to our trade in tabaco.
But why stop there, Africa and India can sue for colonialisation reparations, so that is alot of eu countries.
But then I guess the romans and Egyptian and Greeks did their fair share so they will be on the hook for some blame about something.
The Australian aboriginals probably should take a shot at the UK.
It would go on forever. |
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"Definitely m8. China has started all this. They are the only country to go to war with every country in the world. I think America will blitz china after all this bloody epidemic is over "
Yep good luck with that. |
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over a year ago
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Very hard to have sanctions against a country you are totally dependant on. The world economy flows through China. Nothing will happen because no one can afford it to. |
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"I guess China could sue us for cjd.
They could sue South America for bird flu.
Democratic Republic of Congo for hiv.
I think UK / France and the USA are on the hook for Spanish flu.
Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo for ebola.
I guess Britain and America can be on the hook for pretty much all cancer deaths due to our trade in tabaco.
But why stop there, Africa and India can sue for colonialisation reparations, so that is alot of eu countries.
But then I guess the romans and Egyptian and Greeks did their fair share so they will be on the hook for some blame about something.
The Australian aboriginals probably should take a shot at the UK.
It would go on forever. "
This is what I think when I hear about people wanting to "sue" China.
All hyperbole and bluster. People are bitching and moaning about being asked to stay in the comfort of their own homes with all their latest mod cons.
Can you imagine living in a world without the latest smartphone, ultra tv etc from China? Wouldn't bother me but I'm sure those calling for sanctions, probably using Chinese technology would soon fetch and moan about having to pay through the nose. |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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There has never been a time before that Godwin’s law has been so frequently invoked.
See if any of you calling for action agree with the statement below. I’ve put it in quotes to show it is a quote but I have redacted some parts for, what ma be obvious reasons.
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For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the ********** can ever be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This *******contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, *********** has been banished from our midst. "
So..... three guesses who said that and three more guesses who they were talking about.
Jokes (as mentioned such as winding people up) may be very well but they suggest a deeper hatred or, at the very least lack of understanding and compassion. |
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"There has never been a time before that Godwin’s law has been so frequently invoked.
See if any of you calling for action agree with the statement below. I’ve put it in quotes to show it is a quote but I have redacted some parts for, what ma be obvious reasons.
For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the ********** can ever be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This *******contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, *********** has been banished from our midst.
So..... three guesses who said that and three more guesses who they were talking about.
Jokes (as mentioned such as winding people up) may be very well but they suggest a deeper hatred or, at the very least lack of understanding and compassion. "
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"How do you "sue" a country that consistently ignores international law governed by a CCP that lies through it's teeth?
How do you "sue" a country that consistently ignores international law governed by a Conservative party that lies through it's teeth?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can't understand why there is no hatred for the Chinese.
Their backwards style of living has caused all this.
China should be flattened with a few H-bombs. "
Such a reasoned argument |
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"There has never been a time before that Godwin’s law has been so frequently invoked.
See if any of you calling for action agree with the statement below. I’ve put it in quotes to show it is a quote but I have redacted some parts for, what ma be obvious reasons.
For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the ********** can ever be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This *******contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, *********** has been banished from our midst.
So..... three guesses who said that and three more guesses who they were talking about.
Jokes (as mentioned such as winding people up) may be very well but they suggest a deeper hatred or, at the very least lack of understanding and compassion. "
I've never read Mein Kampf... Is it? |
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"I can't understand why there is no hatred for the Chinese.
Their backwards style of living has caused all this.
China should be flattened with a few H-bombs. "
Yikes. I think isolation is really starting to get to some people  |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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"There has never been a time before that Godwin’s law has been so frequently invoked.
See if any of you calling for action agree with the statement below. I’ve put it in quotes to show it is a quote but I have redacted some parts for, what ma be obvious reasons.
For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the ********** can ever be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This *******contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, *********** has been banished from our midst.
So..... three guesses who said that and three more guesses who they were talking about.
Jokes (as mentioned such as winding people up) may be very well but they suggest a deeper hatred or, at the very least lack of understanding and compassion.
I've never read Mein Kampf... Is it? "
It’s not necessarily from Mein Kampf but echoes the views in it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I’m using the quote to show how easy it is for things to get out of hand. To show that people who suggest an online comment is just words, do not realise that others end up taking direct action.
I’ve said this in other threads arguing about China. Should we be seeking reparations for the US involvement in “Spanish” flu? It began in Kansas and the US military kept a lid on it, resulting in untold numbers of deaths. |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea.
No"
Exactly. When I read the comment you are responding to, I thought that the line reminded me of the kind of thing Trump would say. Unfortunately I’ve had to make that comment and turn it political. because he is trying to political point score over this. He’s loving all the anti Chinese feeling at the moment and is growing ever stronger as a result. |
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"There has never been a time before that Godwin’s law has been so frequently invoked.
See if any of you calling for action agree with the statement below. I’ve put it in quotes to show it is a quote but I have redacted some parts for, what ma be obvious reasons.
For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the ********** can ever be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This *******contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, *********** has been banished from our midst.
So..... three guesses who said that and three more guesses who they were talking about.
Jokes (as mentioned such as winding people up) may be very well but they suggest a deeper hatred or, at the very least lack of understanding and compassion.
I've never read Mein Kampf... Is it?
It’s not necessarily from Mein Kampf but echoes the views in it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I’m using the quote to show how easy it is for things to get out of hand. To show that people who suggest an online comment is just words, do not realise that others end up taking direct action.
I’ve said this in other threads arguing about China. Should we be seeking reparations for the US involvement in “Spanish” flu? It began in Kansas and the US military kept a lid on it, resulting in untold numbers of deaths. "
Our government downplayed covid and its potential for devastation for ages too, just burying their heads in the sand. They implemented social distancing measures and lockdown far too late, which makes me think that had the virus originated here they would have taken the same lax approach. I wonder how many would be calling for us to be held accountable in that case? |
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Trump has been playing the "it's all China's fault" card in order to deflect blame from his own incompetence, but even he has been rowing that back in the last few days, because he knows how costly a trade war with them will be to any recovery post pandemic. The world economy is in the toilet, the last thing it needs is mire conflict and uncertainty. |
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Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through . |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through ."
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way. |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through .
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way. "
China also still has a huge headache going on which has been put on the back burner for the moment - Hong Kong, they appear to be taking the current situation as an opportunity to do some housekeeping - arresting 15 pro democracy protestors, including the guy who wrote the 1 country 2 systems rule of law in Hong Kong .
https://www.scmp.com/news/ hong-kong/politics/article/3080529/ least-12-hong-kong-opposition-veterans- arrested-police-over
I think the point of using diplomatic sanctions is that it would ultimately be a more constructive punishment for the Chinese government and officials, thus making them think twice about any future cover ups . This would ultimately be a better result for the rest of the world than sanctioning trade/finance which would hurt the rest of the world more than it would the Chinese government . |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through .
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way.
China also still has a huge headache going on which has been put on the back burner for the moment - Hong Kong, they appear to be taking the current situation as an opportunity to do some housekeeping - arresting 15 pro democracy protestors, including the guy who wrote the 1 country 2 systems rule of law in Hong Kong .
https://www.scmp.com/news/ hong-kong/politics/article/3080529/ least-12-hong-kong-opposition-veterans- arrested-police-over
I think the point of using diplomatic sanctions is that it would ultimately be a more constructive punishment for the Chinese government and officials, thus making them think twice about any future cover ups . This would ultimately be a better result for the rest of the world than sanctioning trade/finance which would hurt the rest of the world more than it would the Chinese government ."
Generally pissing off China on issues entirely unrelated to virus outbreaks isn't what I'd call constructive punishment. |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through .
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way.
China also still has a huge headache going on which has been put on the back burner for the moment - Hong Kong, they appear to be taking the current situation as an opportunity to do some housekeeping - arresting 15 pro democracy protestors, including the guy who wrote the 1 country 2 systems rule of law in Hong Kong .
https://www.scmp.com/news/ hong-kong/politics/article/3080529/ least-12-hong-kong-opposition-veterans- arrested-police-over
I think the point of using diplomatic sanctions is that it would ultimately be a more constructive punishment for the Chinese government and officials, thus making them think twice about any future cover ups . This would ultimately be a better result for the rest of the world than sanctioning trade/finance which would hurt the rest of the world more than it would the Chinese government .
Generally pissing off China on issues entirely unrelated to virus outbreaks isn't what I'd call constructive punishment. "
Neither is shooting ourselves in the foot, and still having the cover-ups, resulting in huge global upheaval |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through .
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way.
China also still has a huge headache going on which has been put on the back burner for the moment - Hong Kong, they appear to be taking the current situation as an opportunity to do some housekeeping - arresting 15 pro democracy protestors, including the guy who wrote the 1 country 2 systems rule of law in Hong Kong .
https://www.scmp.com/news/ hong-kong/politics/article/3080529/ least-12-hong-kong-opposition-veterans- arrested-police-over
I think the point of using diplomatic sanctions is that it would ultimately be a more constructive punishment for the Chinese government and officials, thus making them think twice about any future cover ups . This would ultimately be a better result for the rest of the world than sanctioning trade/finance which would hurt the rest of the world more than it would the Chinese government .
Generally pissing off China on issues entirely unrelated to virus outbreaks isn't what I'd call constructive punishment.
Neither is shooting ourselves in the foot, and still having the cover-ups, resulting in huge global upheaval "
Guess we'll have to write them a strongly worded letter then |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through .
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way.
China also still has a huge headache going on which has been put on the back burner for the moment - Hong Kong, they appear to be taking the current situation as an opportunity to do some housekeeping - arresting 15 pro democracy protestors, including the guy who wrote the 1 country 2 systems rule of law in Hong Kong .
https://www.scmp.com/news/ hong-kong/politics/article/3080529/ least-12-hong-kong-opposition-veterans- arrested-police-over
I think the point of using diplomatic sanctions is that it would ultimately be a more constructive punishment for the Chinese government and officials, thus making them think twice about any future cover ups . This would ultimately be a better result for the rest of the world than sanctioning trade/finance which would hurt the rest of the world more than it would the Chinese government .
Generally pissing off China on issues entirely unrelated to virus outbreaks isn't what I'd call constructive punishment.
Neither is shooting ourselves in the foot, and still having the cover-ups, resulting in huge global upheaval
Guess we'll have to write them a strongly worded letter then "
There is very good evidence China doesn’t like other countries meddling in their affairs . When U.K. made comments about the HK protests, the Chinese ambassador to the U.K. was very quick to send a very strong message to the effect “butt out!”
I think diplomatic sanctions by the global
community could make a difference .
Surely the ultimate goal would be for this current situation not to happen again . |
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"Military action - total non starter
Financial / trade sanctions - will make the situation considerably worse for everyone, including the Chinese people and not the key officials in China .
If there is to be any kind of punishment for China covering up and withholding important information the most effective method would be to go after the fact the country is very proud - pride is one thing the Chinese authorities highly value above all else
I have read options such as starting to acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation, limiting the movement and assets of key officials in the Chinese government, as well as a renewed joint campaign to highlight the situation of the Uyghurs.
It is suggested these actions may just make the government officials think twice about any future cover ups - which ultimately is what we all want, and avoid a repeat of what we are currently going through .
Recognising taiwan is a complete non-starter. If the trade sanctions were ruthless enough that China stopped caring about relations with the west, they'd probably invade taiwan and take it back the good old fashioned way.
China also still has a huge headache going on which has been put on the back burner for the moment - Hong Kong, they appear to be taking the current situation as an opportunity to do some housekeeping - arresting 15 pro democracy protestors, including the guy who wrote the 1 country 2 systems rule of law in Hong Kong .
https://www.scmp.com/news/ hong-kong/politics/article/3080529/ least-12-hong-kong-opposition-veterans- arrested-police-over
I think the point of using diplomatic sanctions is that it would ultimately be a more constructive punishment for the Chinese government and officials, thus making them think twice about any future cover ups . This would ultimately be a better result for the rest of the world than sanctioning trade/finance which would hurt the rest of the world more than it would the Chinese government .
Generally pissing off China on issues entirely unrelated to virus outbreaks isn't what I'd call constructive punishment.
Neither is shooting ourselves in the foot, and still having the cover-ups, resulting in huge global upheaval
Guess we'll have to write them a strongly worded letter then
There is very good evidence China doesn’t like other countries meddling in their affairs . When U.K. made comments about the HK protests, the Chinese ambassador to the U.K. was very quick to send a very strong message to the effect “butt out!”
I think diplomatic sanctions by the global
community could make a difference .
Surely the ultimate goal would be for this current situation not to happen again . "
Do you honestly think that the UK or US government are any differant in that respect?? They are very far from whiter than white.. |
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What would blitzing China or any other nation for that matter ever achieve?
The process of political power and world dominance with no care for human life and the destruction of the natural world is the reason we face this major crisis.
Many remarks over time by DT and other world leaders just prove how much trouble we are in as a human race.
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We are too dependant on China, for many years too, suing them would be like charging your mum for mowing the lawn.
No charge.
UK even depends on China for a certain poppy plant which certain members of the Italian and Russian communities are heavily involved in too, the elephant in the room.
We even send animal welfare students from Bristol University to study their huge variety of bats.
I think they'd just laugh at anyone trying to sue them.
It would be like chasing someone in a room full of mirrors.
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea."
The UK started slavery, using your words, we should be sued by everyone effected negatively by this and our country.
Blaming a country to the fault of s human is a stupid idea. This was going to happen at some point in our lifetime. Why not stop with the blame culture and look at all the positives.
That's the biggest problem with our species, we want to blame someone way more than we want to make it right and not happen again. |
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"Definitely m8. China has started all this. They are the only country to go to war with every country in the world. I think America will blitz china after all this bloody epidemic is over "
I must have missed the History lesson on the
Luxembourg China war .
Clowns everywhere |
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"Should the world hold China to account and sue China for the collapse of countries economies?
Apparently think tanks are toying with this idea."
Would China reduce everyones debt as payment ?
How much are the U.S into them for ? |
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Funny how the deadliest outbreak has been
New York, New Jersey & Coneticut .
Funny that plum island lost its designated
Bio testing for agricultural testing in 2002 &
Was now under Homeland Security .
Where is Plum Island ?
100 miles from Ny NJ.Conneticut
Makes you wonder what else is being tested there .
Wouldnt suprise me at all if the U.S had produced some dodgy variant of sars, to destroy the Chinese economy .
They know they are never going to be able to produce stuff as cheap as China . What else can it do ?
Now there's a theory from out of the blue .
I cant claim credit for this theory
It was shown to me by someone with
very murky non civilian contacts .
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"But it has originated from China, they have misguided the WHO and three docters who tried to warn everyone, One has died and the other two have disappeared,,,,,,,there is so many things that dont check out, but everyone is letting it slide,,,,,,,something is not right, if various countries are talking about this then something is going on surely
The very nature of the regime the CCP runs makes it virtually impossible to clearly understand what is true and what is false. The whole country runs on chicanery, lies and misinformation. Yes, very serious questions, investigations and hard hitting consequences need to be leveled at the CCP. My concern is for the people, as they don't really have a choice in what their so called 'government' says or does. The CCP is bang out of order. "
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