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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work."
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
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I (Mr HLC) have signed for the first time.
I’m an intermittent worker and the company I work for are still waiting for clarification on whether us in-betweeners qualify under the 80% scheme.
For me, I get the full amount of UC, don’t have to sign on, and don’t have to look for work as the virus is the only reason I’m out of work.
Didn’t need an appointment, and they only rang to confirm my details. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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Best get your wellies on then... |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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Yes there have been changes.
You don’t have to search for work
You don’t have to be available for work
There is no longer in person signing or meetings with work coaches.
This is until 29th June (subject to review then)
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
East Lancashire |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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What if they dont want to? |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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Oddly enough i applied for a fruit picking job but said i live too far away. About 20 miles away
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?"
Minimum wage is more than £317 a month so the money is literally there for the picking for those that can |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?"
That's easy to answer, difficult to accept |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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Isnt the 'anyone fit enough'part of the problem? |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
most fundamental aspects |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
Minimum wage is more than £317 a month so the money is literally there for the picking for those that can"
Right so you don’t understand the income floor, offsetting, assessment periods, change of circumstances or caps. That’s what I thought. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Had to claim as suddenly unemployed due to virus and as soon as by with I’ll be back self employed house cleaner had no choice. Be glad to get working again caught up with most of the house jobs I was saving for this very thing  |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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I suggested veg picking on fb and got totally slated for the suggestion.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
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Not practical. Wages not enough and you mostly have to live on site, plus it's seasonal, hence why we have foreign labour come in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?"
Then they shouldn't get a penny  |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny "
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough? |
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over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny "
And people moan about China but seem to want to become more like it... |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Not practical. Wages not enough and you mostly have to live on site, plus it's seasonal, hence why we have foreign labour come in."
Who probably have families and obviously live on site
Like I've said, people need to look for answers not problems |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?"
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp"
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested."
They can adapt, not talking about covid19 talking in general terms |
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
East Lancashire |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny "
So essentially you are advocating labour against the wishes of the person involved, forced labour.....commonly known as slavery. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
That's easy to answer, difficult to accept"
So very true. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested."
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid"
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So essentially you are advocating labour against the wishes of the person involved, forced labour.....commonly known as slavery. "
Sounds like it. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name."
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question? |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question? "
Well let's just ignore the inhuman way they force people who are seriously I'll to work for a second.
It was suggested above The unemployed should be forced to work.What about those with health conditions? |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question?
Well let's just ignore the inhuman way they force people who are seriously I'll to work for a second.
It was suggested above The unemployed should be forced to work.What about those with health conditions?"
So you’re answering a question with a question while ignoring my question because it blows your sensationalism out of the window. Those with health conditions will be assessed as above, I’ve already explained how the system works. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question?
Well let's just ignore the inhuman way they force people who are seriously I'll to work for a second.
It was suggested above The unemployed should be forced to work.What about those with health conditions?
So you’re answering a question with a question while ignoring my question because it blows your sensationalism out of the window. Those with health conditions will be assessed as above, I’ve already explained how the system works. "
No I was saying that forcing unemployed people to work is impractical..not to mention borderline barbaric. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question?
Well let's just ignore the inhuman way they force people who are seriously I'll to work for a second.
It was suggested above The unemployed should be forced to work.What about those with health conditions?
So you’re answering a question with a question while ignoring my question because it blows your sensationalism out of the window. Those with health conditions will be assessed as above, I’ve already explained how the system works.
No I was saying that forcing unemployed people to work is impractical..not to mention borderline barbaric."
I totally agree, thats why nobody gets forced to work. It’s a personal choice where the alternative might just be a stoppage of benefits |
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By *uicy jonesMan
over a year ago
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I have never claimed for any money in my life, but have now applied for universal credit, find myself in this situation but I really need to, whatever the amount it will be something towards the bills !!! I am at the moment okay but that's money will soon go, but hopefully will be back at work before the money comes in in May I was told Tuesday would be my first payment backdated till March, every little helps and good luck to everybody else  |
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I'm sure every government in forever has tried to get those that are fit enough to work back into work, but there are just some that don't, for whatever reason.
The problem is, people have perfectly good business's and perfectly good jobs except the government have told them to close or stop working due to the virus, millions of extra people, not just the current unemployed, have now found them selves without income, something that two months ago was nowhere in sight. Some people have saving and some people don't need as much to get by but others ha e suddenly found them selves looking at universal credit and it is not a lot to get by on at all.
I don't know how people that don't work get by at all after seeing the figures quoted, but I'm sure they do OK knowing how to play the system. It's a system that is so unfair at times too, we all heard story's about disabled folk being told to work, yet the perfectly able person can't because of some mystery illness.
I'm just saying this has impacted people so quickly and had a knock on effect for a lot of genuinely hard working folk, and that not even thinking about how the actual virus is knocking people about either. |
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"I'm sure every government in forever has tried to get those that are fit enough to work back into work, but there are just some that don't, for whatever reason.
The problem is, people have perfectly good business's and perfectly good jobs except the government have told them to close or stop working due to the virus, millions of extra people, not just the current unemployed, have now found them selves without income, something that two months ago was nowhere in sight. Some people have saving and some people don't need as much to get by but others ha e suddenly found them selves looking at universal credit and it is not a lot to get by on at all.
I don't know how people that don't work get by at all after seeing the figures quoted, but I'm sure they do OK knowing how to play the system. It's a system that is so unfair at times too, we all heard story's about disabled folk being told to work, yet the perfectly able person can't because of some mystery illness.
I'm just saying this has impacted people so quickly and had a knock on effect for a lot of genuinely hard working folk, and that not even thinking about how the actual virus is knocking people about either. "
Slightly off topic there was always been people working The system (either through necessity or laziness)
But it was only a very small number however the gmnt decided to.go after everyone.There are some utterly horrible stories out there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So were would some one like me stand. I have a perfectly good business which is closed at the moment however I'm fit to work but I have a hubby that requires specific medication which should be every 2 weeks which he isn't getting because he has to self isolate for 12 weeks and it's too dangerous for him to go to hospital. This means he is unable to be on his own with 2 kids I also have 1 child with a kidney problem and 1 with autism but hey in healthy so should be in the fields let's stop what little I am getting to keep my family warm and fed. Get a grip people do not want to be stuck at home let's not start judging those that have to be even if they are healthy you do not know there circumstances xx |
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over a year ago
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Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much... |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question? "
That's just it though. You do have to provide proof of that from medical specialists in your condition, or anyone credible involved in your case who can back up what you're claiming.
I had to wait almost 3 years to get PIP, took nearly two years for a tribunal to go to court. I won the case in january and was awarded PIP until april of next year as i need a couple of operations and time to get over them. Applied for UC 1st of march and have to provide proof now off my GP that i'm still disabled. Can't even get an appointment with my GP to get my first fit note so i haven't been paid for 7 weeks.
This sytem sets us up to fail. Oh and they've just brought out a new disabilty payment to replace ESA, it's called new sytle ESA and is exactly the same as UC but with a different name. Disabled people who cannot work/are classed as not fit for work can now be sanctioned. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much..."
Sounds like you need to apply for housing benefit. Contact your local council. |
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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much..."
If you’re under 35 I believe they only give you enough housing allowance for a bedsit. Are you saying your housing allowance element of UC is £63 per week or that’s your whole award? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much...
If you’re under 35 I believe they only give you enough housing allowance for a bedsit. Are you saying your housing allowance element of UC is £63 per week or that’s your whole award? "
63 a week for housing, my rents 435 a month, and I couldnt possibly rent anything smaller round here, one room with shared facilities, not extravagant, we were asked to not go to work or had our work closed, I was paying my rent and bills with plenty left over on a minimum wage, dont see what changes between me and my mate whos 37 and gets all his rent paid on a self enclosed flat, and yet they wont pay all mine for a shared place. |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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". Applied for UC 1st of march and have to provide proof now off my GP that i'm still disabled. Can't even get an appointment with my GP to get my first fit note so i haven't been paid for 7 weeks. "
Something has gone wrong here. If you are waiting to be assessed, you should still be getting the rate you would have got while waiting to be assessed. If you can’t get a fit note in person with your GP, then they should be offering telephone appointments. If they are refusing, then please note this down in your UC journal.
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This sytem sets us up to fail. Oh and they've just brought out a new disabilty payment to replace ESA, it's called new sytle ESA and is exactly the same as UC but with a different name. Disabled people who cannot work/are classed as not fit for work can now be sanctioned. "
It’s not new it’s just a new name. ESA used to have two types. One based on income and the other if you had been paying National Insurance at the higher rate (so not very low paid workers or most self employed- but you can check your NI online if unsure at .gov.uk) for two out of the last three years.
The old ESA income based benefit has been taken over by UC.
The old contribution based ESA has been renamed New Style ESA.
It is possible in some cases to apply for both UC and NS ESA but DWP staff probably won’t tell you that.
If you’re not sure then you should contact (by phone or email, as although their doors might be shut, most are still working from home) your local Citizens Advice Bureau or similar. The advice is free and there are experts there to help. |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much...
Sounds like you need to apply for housing benefit. Contact your local council. "
No. If someone is on universal credit they can’t get housing benefit. Though there are a few exceptions including those in temporary accommodation.
Housing Benefit is one of the benefits UC takes on and its called Housing Element.
What someone may be able to get, is Discretionary Housing Payment. This is paid by the council in the same way as HB used to be. It’s a top up of the amount given by UC for housing costs. It is (as the name suggests) discretionary and council really don’t want to have to pay it out of their budgets, so a lot of people get rejected. Always appeal the decision if you’re not happy (it’s actually called a dispute not an appeal to be technically correct) and if in doubt speak to one of the many agencies who give free benefits advice. |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much..."
This is partly correct. The Local Housing Allowance for someone single under 35 is reduced. This means in most cases being able to only afford a bed sit or to have to share. It’s a highly complicated area and depends on: whether it’s private rent or social landlords, the local authority area you are in, if you have a disability and more.
It might be worth doing an online benefit check. There are lots of free ones out there.
Without wanting to sound like a broken record, contact your local source of free, impartial benefits advice, such as Citizens Advice Bureau |
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Housing is always an issue as it will vary from location to location.
The question around what is acceptable to pay is down to voters. For many years benefits have been restricted as many voters felt that we paid too much in welfare.
When a crisis like this hits more people experience the reality rather than the tabloid theory. |
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Part of the problem with representative democracy is that it divorces society for decision making.
So what do people feel is a fair weekly rent for single people out of work?
Would you want income tax to go from 20 - 25% to pay for that?
You could apply this to everything. NHS under resourced would we all be happy with a further 5% tax to top it up.
How about low police and prison officer numbers and extra 2% for that.
Education under funded, another 4% for that.
Suddenly you are looking at a basic income tax rate of 35-40%.
Well actually your not as most voters will have rejected these proposals and any government that tried to impose them.
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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When a crisis like this hits more people experience the reality rather than the tabloid theory. "
Absolutely. There are far more benefits that people are entitled to but do not claim, than those stories that make the tabloids for someone playing the system.
A recent report estimated (as its so hard to know if they didn’t claim them) that there is £20 BILLION worth of unclaimed benefits a year. The most common are: Carers Allowance, Council Tax Reduction, Discretionary Housing Payment and Attendance Allowance |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much..."
. When you applied for Universal Credit did you not apply for housing under where you live if so you would have had to provide your tenancy agreement showing how many bedrooms , your name on the tenancy agreement, how much you pay and the landlords details.You then would receive the £317 single person element as well as the housing element which you then pay to your landlord.
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much.... When you applied for Universal Credit did you not apply for housing under where you live if so you would have had to provide your tenancy agreement showing how many bedrooms , your name on the tenancy agreement, how much you pay and the landlords details.You then would receive the £317 single person element as well as the housing element which you then pay to your landlord."
See my answer above. If someone is under 35 and single living alone, the rules are different.
Irrespective of someone’s age, the housing element is not open ended either. If it says on your tenancy agreement that your rent is £10,000 pcm you’re not going to get that amount but an amount deemed acceptable for that particular local authority area |
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"Disabled people who cannot work/are classed as not fit for work can now be sanctioned. "
If you have been assessed as having limited capability for work and work related activity it means you dont have to look for work or attend any work coach meetings etc.
I've just been through all of this with my kids as they were assessed incorrectly. I appealed for them and they wouldn't change the decision.
In the end I wrote to Boris Johnson, his office escalated it to the top the DWP complaints investigation team. All reviewed and 6 months later I got letters to say I was correct and they were wrong, all monies paid and backdated.
In my experience the jobcentre staff are useless and don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to UC, same goes for the people who do the health assessments.
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" In my experience the jobcentre staff are useless and don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to UC, same goes for the people who do the health assessments.
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They don't, we have a job centre team alongside my team in prison. They fully admit we know more about UC than they do, as we had recent training, they haven't. |
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over a year ago
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I have a masters degree and am studying to become a gas engineer I've sent numerous applications to do so and have been declined 2 and ignored 3 so it's not on the brits it's on. The farmers |
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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago
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" In my experience the jobcentre staff are useless and don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to UC, same goes for the people who do the health assessments.
They don't, we have a job centre team alongside my team in prison. They fully admit we know more about UC than they do, as we had recent training, they haven't. "
This is very familiar, it seems across the country.
I did a presentation to DWP and to council staff a couple of years ago when UC was about to launch fully in our area. The furious note taking and queue of people afterwards to speak to me, was overwhelming.
The information is out there and I’m constantly angered by those who should know the rules misinforming people who are claiming and should be trusting those professionals who can’t pick up the books or study the information on their own databases. I’ve even got colleagues who are paid more than me, who don’t know half the rules and ask me as their “free database” for advice. Thereby reducing my ability to help the public. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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" In my experience the jobcentre staff are useless and don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to UC, same goes for the people who do the health assessments.
They don't, we have a job centre team alongside my team in prison. They fully admit we know more about UC than they do, as we had recent training, they haven't. "
That’s right, every last one of them! |
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over a year ago
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I'd encourage people to check their eligibility before making a claim and "ensure that tax credit claimants understand that when they have claimed UC, their tax credits will end, and they cannot return to legacy benefits.
Do a check before you claim as you will find once you make the claim even if 'unsuccessful' a notification is automatically sent through as a stop notice to cancel your tax credit awards, even though you may not complete the claim when you realised you would not be successful.
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over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested."
Then the process must have changed. Fit notes are required if you're not fit for work. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question?
That's just it though. You do have to provide proof of that from medical specialists in your condition, or anyone credible involved in your case who can back up what you're claiming.
I had to wait almost 3 years to get PIP, took nearly two years for a tribunal to go to court. I won the case in january and was awarded PIP until april of next year as i need a couple of operations and time to get over them. Applied for UC 1st of march and have to provide proof now off my GP that i'm still disabled. Can't even get an appointment with my GP to get my first fit note so i haven't been paid for 7 weeks.
This sytem sets us up to fail. Oh and they've just brought out a new disabilty payment to replace ESA, it's called new sytle ESA and is exactly the same as UC but with a different name. Disabled people who cannot work/are classed as not fit for work can now be sanctioned. "
I didn't know I could claim ESA in Sept, but now it's just an element in universal credit. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?"
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap |
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"Yes there have been changes.
You don’t have to search for work
You don’t have to be available for work
There is no longer in person signing or meetings with work coaches.
This is until 29th June (subject to review then)
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First time I've ever seen a date...
Thanks for that info, much appreciated x |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap"
she wont be getting that on universal credit. Perhaps the new car is a motability one. I get a new car every 3 years. I have not even had that much a month when having to get benefits and I have two children who get pip. |
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"Love universal credit, apparently because im under 35 I should be able to pay my rent with £63 a week, love to know where I could get a place to rent for that much.... When you applied for Universal Credit did you not apply for housing under where you live if so you would have had to provide your tenancy agreement showing how many bedrooms , your name on the tenancy agreement, how much you pay and the landlords details.You then would receive the £317 single person element as well as the housing element which you then pay to your landlord.
See my answer above. If someone is under 35 and single living alone, the rules are different.
Irrespective of someone’s age, the housing element is not open ended either. If it says on your tenancy agreement that your rent is £10,000 pcm you’re not going to get that amount but an amount deemed acceptable for that particular local authority area "
how on earth in any area of the uk can they expect someone to accomodate themselves for £63 a week even if they share ... even student accomodation these days is about £100 a week
i was out of work in my early 20s for a few months and got housing benefit and this sounds like the exact same value i got 12 years ago (remember having to top up my rent for anything above approx £250 and the age limit then was 25)
its also pretty poor that because you haven’t married and popped out kids you are expected to live with a rented room as your level of privacy until your late 30s which is well into adulthood |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
Minimum wage is more than £317 a month so the money is literally there for the picking for those that can"
bit misleading, its not just £317 pm. It also covers your rent upto the local housing allowance based on what size property you have (1 bed for single or couples, 2 bed for family with 1 or 2 children ect ect).
I have survived on much less per month and its not there to fund a specific lifestyle. |
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By *ikilovesCCouple
over a year ago
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" In my experience the jobcentre staff are useless and don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to UC, same goes for the people who do the health assessments.
They don't, we have a job centre team alongside my team in prison. They fully admit we know more about UC than they do, as we had recent training, they haven't.
This is very familiar, it seems across the country.
I did a presentation to DWP and to council staff a couple of years ago when UC was about to launch fully in our area. The furious note taking and queue of people afterwards to speak to me, was overwhelming.
The information is out there and I’m constantly angered by those who should know the rules misinforming people who are claiming and should be trusting those professionals who can’t pick up the books or study the information on their own databases. I’ve even got colleagues who are paid more than me, who don’t know half the rules and ask me as their “free database” for advice. Thereby reducing my ability to help the public. "
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Read this thread with interest as have been hearing about the self employed who have been caught out by applying for UC as advised by gov and it messing up things like their tax credits etc.
All I can say is that it's been good of you to come on here and give folks the benefit of your knowledge as it sounds like it's sorely needed. |
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" In my experience the jobcentre staff are useless and don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to UC, same goes for the people who do the health assessments.
They don't, we have a job centre team alongside my team in prison. They fully admit we know more about UC than they do, as we had recent training, they haven't.
This is very familiar, it seems across the country.
I did a presentation to DWP and to council staff a couple of years ago when UC was about to launch fully in our area. The furious note taking and queue of people afterwards to speak to me, was overwhelming.
The information is out there and I’m constantly angered by those who should know the rules misinforming people who are claiming and should be trusting those professionals who can’t pick up the books or study the information on their own databases. I’ve even got colleagues who are paid more than me, who don’t know half the rules and ask me as their “free database” for advice. Thereby reducing my ability to help the public.
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Read this thread with interest as have been hearing about the self employed who have been caught out by applying for UC as advised by gov and it messing up things like their tax credits etc.
All I can say is that it's been good of you to come on here and give folks the benefit of your knowledge as it sounds like it's sorely needed. "
Yes, if your self employed and claim tax credits and expect to go back to work the dont claim universal credit as once you are on UC you cant go back to tax credits. |
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I think there's a few instances of, I don't want to pick fruit it's beneath me. In all honesty though irrespective of skills and intellect if a person is fit and able why shouldn't they be expected to do any job instead of get UC, Raised by taxes on people who are working whether they like the job or not, to pay their bills !
Just an old fashioned attitude perhaps but not unreasonable. I mean it lowers pressure on tax payers to take care of those unable to work and the self pride for those cable to work. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So essentially you are advocating labour against the wishes of the person involved, forced labour.....commonly known as slavery. "
Under UC you are expected to apply for any and every job, even if you don't like it/don't want to do it. Its the terms of the regime. So yes the the government do advocate slavery. |
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Under UC you are expected to apply for any and every job, even if you don't like it/don't want to do it. Its the terms of the regime. So yes the the government do advocate slavery. "
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over a year ago
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I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times. |
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"I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times. "
I couldn't understand why people didn't want to work. We used to advertise and there was no interest. Now my circumstances have changed and I receive UC. Im now in the frame of mind, I want to work, I want to have something to get up for, some purpose in life. But, if I work too many hours, it doesn't pay me. I am not educated and can only get minimum wage jobs. In that wage, full time, I would still be out of pocket. So I get it. Problem is, I have children. The government make sure I have enough to live on. But you need to prioritise your money. Instead of looking at people who are better off, look at the ones that are worse off than yourself. It helps put things into perspective. Nobody owes you anything. Yet, I am grateful I live in the UK and have that safety net that UC provides. When I signed on to UC I asked if there was any courses I could do to increase my chances of employment. No,there isn't was the answer. If you find yourself mid life, unemployed on benefits and you can't get into work straight away. There should be a training programme for people who want to better themselves. My attitude when I was 14 is very different to my attitude at 40.
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"I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times.
I couldn't understand why people didn't want to work. We used to advertise and there was no interest. Now my circumstances have changed and I receive UC. Im now in the frame of mind, I want to work, I want to have something to get up for, some purpose in life. But, if I work too many hours, it doesn't pay me. I am not educated and can only get minimum wage jobs. In that wage, full time, I would still be out of pocket. So I get it. Problem is, I have children. The government make sure I have enough to live on. But you need to prioritise your money. Instead of looking at people who are better off, look at the ones that are worse off than yourself. It helps put things into perspective. Nobody owes you anything. Yet, I am grateful I live in the UK and have that safety net that UC provides. When I signed on to UC I asked if there was any courses I could do to increase my chances of employment. No,there isn't was the answer. If you find yourself mid life, unemployed on benefits and you can't get into work straight away. There should be a training programme for people who want to better themselves. My attitude when I was 14 is very different to my attitude at 40.
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You are spot on with this post. I have been on benifits in the past and its not a great feeling, earning £50k household income to going to £20k is a shock to the system. But if you dont dwell on it reassess your finances you can get by. Good luck with job search, somthing suitable will come by. |
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"I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times.
I couldn't understand why people didn't want to work. We used to advertise and there was no interest. Now my circumstances have changed and I receive UC. Im now in the frame of mind, I want to work, I want to have something to get up for, some purpose in life. But, if I work too many hours, it doesn't pay me. I am not educated and can only get minimum wage jobs. In that wage, full time, I would still be out of pocket. So I get it. Problem is, I have children. The government make sure I have enough to live on. But you need to prioritise your money. Instead of looking at people who are better off, look at the ones that are worse off than yourself. It helps put things into perspective. Nobody owes you anything. Yet, I am grateful I live in the UK and have that safety net that UC provides. When I signed on to UC I asked if there was any courses I could do to increase my chances of employment. No,there isn't was the answer. If you find yourself mid life, unemployed on benefits and you can't get into work straight away. There should be a training programme for people who want to better themselves. My attitude when I was 14 is very different to my attitude at 40.
You are spot on with this post. I have been on benifits in the past and its not a great feeling, earning £50k household income to going to £20k is a shock to the system. But if you dont dwell on it reassess your finances you can get by. Good luck with job search, somthing suitable will come by. "
I walked straight into a job, but with the stipulation that it would be less than part time hours. Back to the job retention scheme for the foreseeable but I feel confident enough that I will always find work. People that are willing to roll their sleeves up and get on with it, no matter the situation, will always find a way. Or that's what I keep telling myself. I have three children at home. And before anyone starts, you shouldn't have them if you can't afford them. When I had them, I didn't think a few years down the line I'd be on my own. Nobody knows what the future holds.
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"I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times.
I couldn't understand why people didn't want to work. We used to advertise and there was no interest. Now my circumstances have changed and I receive UC. Im now in the frame of mind, I want to work, I want to have something to get up for, some purpose in life. But, if I work too many hours, it doesn't pay me. I am not educated and can only get minimum wage jobs. In that wage, full time, I would still be out of pocket. So I get it. Problem is, I have children. The government make sure I have enough to live on. But you need to prioritise your money. Instead of looking at people who are better off, look at the ones that are worse off than yourself. It helps put things into perspective. Nobody owes you anything. Yet, I am grateful I live in the UK and have that safety net that UC provides. When I signed on to UC I asked if there was any courses I could do to increase my chances of employment. No,there isn't was the answer. If you find yourself mid life, unemployed on benefits and you can't get into work straight away. There should be a training programme for people who want to better themselves. My attitude when I was 14 is very different to my attitude at 40.
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I remember in the early 90s they had government run training courses that were for plumbing,electrician,pastering,bricklaying and mechanics. They ran for 6 months and you got a city and guilds at the end of it. Paid the same rate as the dole but you got a 3 course meal for lunch.
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"I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times.
I couldn't understand why people didn't want to work. We used to advertise and there was no interest. Now my circumstances have changed and I receive UC. Im now in the frame of mind, I want to work, I want to have something to get up for, some purpose in life. But, if I work too many hours, it doesn't pay me. I am not educated and can only get minimum wage jobs. In that wage, full time, I would still be out of pocket. So I get it. Problem is, I have children. The government make sure I have enough to live on. But you need to prioritise your money. Instead of looking at people who are better off, look at the ones that are worse off than yourself. It helps put things into perspective. Nobody owes you anything. Yet, I am grateful I live in the UK and have that safety net that UC provides. When I signed on to UC I asked if there was any courses I could do to increase my chances of employment. No,there isn't was the answer. If you find yourself mid life, unemployed on benefits and you can't get into work straight away. There should be a training programme for people who want to better themselves. My attitude when I was 14 is very different to my attitude at 40.
I remember in the early 90s they had government run training courses that were for plumbing,electrician,pastering,bricklaying and mechanics. They ran for 6 months and you got a city and guilds at the end of it. Paid the same rate as the dole but you got a 3 course meal for lunch.
Now would be a good time to bring them back "
With the 3 course meal I take it that 2 of the courses were the main course and dessert.
What was the 3rd course? A soup starter or an hors d'oeuvre or an appetiser or maybe a palate cleanser?
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
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To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes. |
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"I’ve advertised jobs during recent months. It has been a bit of a mixed bag... those that clearly don’t want the job but are applying because they have to apply for something, those that are desperately trying to find any kind of work going because they need it and those that will only work the required number of hours to ensure they don’t lose out on other benefits. Strange times.
I couldn't understand why people didn't want to work. We used to advertise and there was no interest. Now my circumstances have changed and I receive UC. Im now in the frame of mind, I want to work, I want to have something to get up for, some purpose in life. But, if I work too many hours, it doesn't pay me. I am not educated and can only get minimum wage jobs. In that wage, full time, I would still be out of pocket. So I get it. Problem is, I have children. The government make sure I have enough to live on. But you need to prioritise your money. Instead of looking at people who are better off, look at the ones that are worse off than yourself. It helps put things into perspective. Nobody owes you anything. Yet, I am grateful I live in the UK and have that safety net that UC provides. When I signed on to UC I asked if there was any courses I could do to increase my chances of employment. No,there isn't was the answer. If you find yourself mid life, unemployed on benefits and you can't get into work straight away. There should be a training programme for people who want to better themselves. My attitude when I was 14 is very different to my attitude at 40.
I remember in the early 90s they had government run training courses that were for plumbing,electrician,pastering,bricklaying and mechanics. They ran for 6 months and you got a city and guilds at the end of it. Paid the same rate as the dole but you got a 3 course meal for lunch.
Now would be a good time to bring them back
With the 3 course meal I take it that 2 of the courses were the main course and dessert.
What was the 3rd course? A soup starter or an hors d'oeuvre or an appetiser or maybe a palate cleanser?
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First course was normally a stick to the ribs broth main was normally pie and veg..sweet was a big bowl of rice with jam in it or cake and custard..yeah you'd put the pounds on alright  |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes."
£2600÷5=£520 each a month to live on.
I'd love to know how someone can afford rent,Bill's,brand new car,drugs,feed and clothe the kids etc on that.
Most of these stories are bullshit.
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes."
yet uc is assessed monthly while tax is assessed yearly so already dumb heaven forbid you get redundancy the stress of losing a job i know lets penalise em for working hard all these yearsor a tax rebate for tax YOU have been already charged for as that counts as income so you get effectively taxed 100% on tax you already overpaid for its disgusting |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes.yet uc is assessed monthly while tax is assessed yearly so already dumb heaven forbid you get redundancy the stress of losing a job i know lets penalise em for working hard all these yearsor a tax rebate for tax YOU have been already charged for as that counts as income so you get effectively taxed 100% on tax you already overpaid for its disgusting "
In this country they have made it an embarrassment, that you can find yourself on benefits..even if you have worked your entire life. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes.yet uc is assessed monthly while tax is assessed yearly so already dumb heaven forbid you get redundancy the stress of losing a job i know lets penalise em for working hard all these yearsor a tax rebate for tax YOU have been already charged for as that counts as income so you get effectively taxed 100% on tax you already overpaid for its disgusting
In this country they have made it an embarrassment, that you can find yourself on benefits..even if you have worked your entire life."
A problem with trying to tax the super rich is they will just if not already mo e their money abroad and pay peanuts to another country, when you seen some the ways people bend the rules its annoying.
As with benefits and universal credit, it's true average Joe finding themselves on hard times due to covid will probably get very little, but for those that know how and have spent years playing the system the UK can be a ery fruitful place to live and live well considering they don't work or work a few hours a week.
How can people work a handful of hours a week in a supermarket and maintain a household and family of three, with new car and all the trimmings. I just don't understand it. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes.yet uc is assessed monthly while tax is assessed yearly so already dumb heaven forbid you get redundancy the stress of losing a job i know lets penalise em for working hard all these yearsor a tax rebate for tax YOU have been already charged for as that counts as income so you get effectively taxed 100% on tax you already overpaid for its disgusting
In this country they have made it an embarrassment, that you can find yourself on benefits..even if you have worked your entire life.
A problem with trying to tax the super rich is they will just if not already mo e their money abroad and pay peanuts to another country, when you seen some the ways people bend the rules its annoying.
As with benefits and universal credit, it's true average Joe finding themselves on hard times due to covid will probably get very little, but for those that know how and have spent years playing the system the UK can be a ery fruitful place to live and live well considering they don't work or work a few hours a week.
How can people work a handful of hours a week in a supermarket and maintain a household and family of three, with new car and all the trimmings. I just don't understand it. "
This is the best bit.
I've actually heard people argue on here it's perfectly acceptable for the Rich to pay as little tax as possible, and we shouldn't ask them to pay too much tax as they will move.
Normal working people are actually arguing for this
You couldn't make it up |
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This is the best bit.
I've actually heard people argue on here it's perfectly acceptable for the Rich to pay as little tax as possible, and we shouldn't ask them to pay too much tax as they will move.
Normal working people are actually arguing for this
You couldn't make it up
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And it's a poor argument. Someone that is likely to do that, is probably already avoiding paying the full wack anyway.
Someone that lives here, has a UK only business, where are they going to go?
Plus as there is an EU wide agreement coming into place, you're going to pay tax somewhere in Europe! |
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This is the best bit.
I've actually heard people argue on here it's perfectly acceptable for the Rich to pay as little tax as possible, and we shouldn't ask them to pay too much tax as they will move.
Normal working people are actually arguing for this
You couldn't make it up
And it's a poor argument. Someone that is likely to do that, is probably already avoiding paying the full wack anyway.
Someone that lives here, has a UK only business, where are they going to go?
Plus as there is an EU wide agreement coming into place, you're going to pay tax somewhere in Europe!"
Their money is already abroad mostly. All they'd have here is property thatonly other rich taxdodgers could afford to buy off them (if they wanted to stimulate the economy with it -which they often don't). |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
What if they dont want to?
Then they shouldn't get a penny
So people are basically forced to work or they are starved to death?
What about if you are not well enough?
You get a sick note, same as everyone else and you get ssp
You realise the gmnt dont accept sick notes?
You have to be tested.
It’s a good job DWP accept them then and benefits still get paid
If you say you are too sick too work you have to be tested.Its a private company..cant remember the name.
If you’re not fit to work you provide medical evidence that supports that (after self certification of 7 days) and your benefits still get paid. If you say you cannot work at all or for the foreseeable future then yes you are referred for an assessment. All along...and throughout the appeal process if there is one benefits continued to be paid.
Would you rather anyone who said they weren’t able to work got full benefits without question?
That's just it though. You do have to provide proof of that from medical specialists in your condition, or anyone credible involved in your case who can back up what you're claiming.
I had to wait almost 3 years to get PIP, took nearly two years for a tribunal to go to court. I won the case in january and was awarded PIP until april of next year as i need a couple of operations and time to get over them. Applied for UC 1st of march and have to provide proof now off my GP that i'm still disabled. Can't even get an appointment with my GP to get my first fit note so i haven't been paid for 7 weeks.
This sytem sets us up to fail. Oh and they've just brought out a new disabilty payment to replace ESA, it's called new sytle ESA and is exactly the same as UC but with a different name. Disabled people who cannot work/are classed as not fit for work can now be sanctioned. "
I was told by someone who helps get people with disabilities back to work, the system was set up to fail everyone from the beginning. |
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"Lots of changes. No people don't have to physically sign on, but people still have to reasonably look for work.
Anyone fit enough should be sent fruit picking
People said let's get back making Britain great
Get stuck in
Sounds more like the Gulag than a Great Britain.
Do you understand the rules of universal credit? Do you understand the income fluctuations? Do you think you could survive on £317 a month?
I know a girl gets £2600 a month , 4 kids and drives a brand new car , never worked, always stoned. The kids will all get free laptops, musical instrument tuition etc for some people it works, it really, really works... but agree for most decent people it’s crap
To be honest, I'm not bothered by that sort of person. Hopefully at some point they will be caught (if doing something wrong).
But in the big picture, they are a drop in the ocean. I am more concerned about the fact that at the other end of the scale we are not collecting huge amounts of tax that would solve all these problems:
Some of the wealthiest people in Britain are getting away with paying a lower rate of tax than someone earning just £15,000, according to a new study from Warwick University and the London School of Economics (LSE).
"Researchers at the universities analysed anonymised HMRC tax returns of higher earners and found that the average person with £10 million in total remuneration had an effective tax rate of just 21 per cent – less than someone on median earnings of £30,000."
From the London Economic - June 2020
They estimated that a small change in the rules could net about an extra £20 billion in taxes."
How do they come up with that figure of only paying 21%? I certainly need a better accountant!! When you own a business or at least operate your finances as a business, 20% corporation tax is paid before you see a penny of dividends on which you are then taxed. I suspect that tax paid as corporation tax is conveniently ignores when coming to the 21% tax figure. |
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Tried to sign up to UC late March 2019. They asked over the phone how much money I had. The two bank statements I could find, for my business and personal combined, took me over the £16,000 threshold. Even though, I advised them they were both out of date by a month. They still closed the claim.
When my next statements arrived for March, I realised that I was well inside the thresholds anyway and later found out, that they should have ignored my business account completely.
Well hacked off initially but without UC, I would have sunk months ago: The money I get doesn't pay the rent. But I'm more than grateful. |
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You know what is really messed up, that people hate on poorer people trying to fiddle the system to get themselves an extra 50 quid a month but turn a blind eye to ceo's completely bypassing the system while earning hundreds of thousands a day, if not an hour. While many self employed and small businesses are being wiped out right now, amazons ceo is directly on track to becoming the first trillionaire in history! |
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"You know what is really messed up, that people hate on poorer people trying to fiddle the system to get themselves an extra 50 quid a month but turn a blind eye to ceo's completely bypassing the system while earning hundreds of thousands a day, if not an hour. While many self employed and small businesses are being wiped out right now, amazons ceo is directly on track to becoming the first trillionaire in history! "
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"You know what is really messed up, that people hate on poorer people trying to fiddle the system to get themselves an extra 50 quid a month but turn a blind eye to ceo's completely bypassing the system while earning hundreds of thousands a day, if not an hour. While many self employed and small businesses are being wiped out right now, amazons ceo is directly on track to becoming the first trillionaire in history! "
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