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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee! |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!"
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate. |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate. "
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they? |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate. "
Wasnt there an issue initially when German blocked equipment manufactured in German from going to Italy?
The subsequent actions were trying to address the outcry.
I heard that German took some French patients in their neighbouring towns, but Ive not heard about Italians crossing the Alps |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?"
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined"
Think we have had that debate! |
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"This will be an Interesting watch over the next few months
They did a POLL in Italy to see if there was an appetite to have a referendum on leaving
49% leave
51% stay
Almost as if every time you offer people a binary choice the result is split up the middle...
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"This will be an Interesting watch over the next few months
They did a POLL in Italy to see if there was an appetite to have a referendum on leaving
49% leave
51% stay
Almost as if every time you offer people a binary choice the result is split up the middle...
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined"
Im glad we did opt out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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At the beginning of the crisis each country tried to think for themselves (Italy stopped exports of ventilators too).
One might think that this is a sign of weakness and that there is no real "union" of this is how they behave in emergency. But look at USA. Various states competed with each other to buy ppe/ventilators/tests, raising the prices, still they have been together for almost 250 years.
EU won't be much different.
Crisis make people show their worst, but this is not going to change the fact that EU is the only possible future for Europe, especially with what is about to come after the prolonged lockdown. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate. "
The €750bn was not as a start...it was recent and reluctantly unblocked by Germany (mostly) after massive outcry from Italy and Spain. Hence the President's apology!
Germany took a small number of cross border cases from France...a bi-lateral deal and not through EU.
Germany actually blocked the export of ventilators including to other EU countries.
Several countries basically said "stuff Shengen" and closed borders (As we should have?).
Thre has been limited co-ordination between a few member states...but sod all on an EU level.
The bulk buying and did we/didn't we get the email has been done to death on other forums so I'll leave that... |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out"
Yep always a great idea to decline something which will save peoples lives. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out"
Why?  |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
The €750bn was not as a start...it was recent and reluctantly unblocked by Germany (mostly) after massive outcry from Italy and Spain. Hence the President's apology!
Germany took a small number of cross border cases from France...a bi-lateral deal and not through EU.
Germany actually blocked the export of ventilators including to other EU countries.
Several countries basically said "stuff Shengen" and closed borders (As we should have?).
Thre has been limited co-ordination between a few member states...but sod all on an EU level.
The bulk buying and did we/didn't we get the email has been done to death on other forums so I'll leave that..."
At least 24 countries including France, Germany, Russia, China, India, Vietnam and the UK have used export bans since the corona pandemic started. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!"
Hang on.
I was under the impression that the all controlling EU didn't allow member states to manage their own borders, let alone close them?
That must be the case as it was all over social media and the press during brexit.
You mean individual countries actually had the power to make their own decisions? 
I'd keep that quiet. Otherwise all those experts on the EU that were so vocal in 2016 may demand a second referendum!! 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
Hang on.
I was under the impression that the all controlling EU didn't allow member states to manage their own borders, let alone close them?
That must be the case as it was all over social media and the press during brexit.
You mean individual countries actually had the power to make their own decisions?
I'd keep that quiet. Otherwise all those experts on the EU that were so vocal in 2016 may demand a second referendum!!
A"
This....I thought we had no control over our own borders....hmm, it's almost like we have been lied to! |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"Italy wont leave the eu they have the euro so it makes it doubly hard to leave, the eu,s plan all along its own little hotel California."
The Eu bailed Italy out less than 12 months ago with a debt restructuring plan when it reached 133% of their gdp.
Italy had massive financial problems before this and they will only be amplified after.
They need all the help and friends they can get. |
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
Please remember the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. It's in Sweden. It shares information with national health services. It's an EU agency. It works with the WHO and other EU agencies.
The valuable work of sharing information on health was mentioned in the Balance of Competences Review in 2012-2014. |
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
Ursula von der Leyen is a good woman. She opened her home to a young Syrian refugee.
Please see politico.eu's writeup about her. I admire her. Here's a link.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-her-own-words-ursula-von-der-leyen-european-commision-president-angela-merkel-cabinet-german-defense-minister/ |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why? "
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why?
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on "
You realise Germany donated us ventilators.? |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why?
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on
You realise Germany donated us ventilators.?"
Yeah their Army sent 60 mobile ones, now they realised they have enough. They graciously said we wont invoice you for them.
China USA Sweden Taiwan have also sent some.
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why?
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on
You realise Germany donated us ventilators.?
Yeah their Army sent 60 mobile ones, now they realised they have enough. They graciously said we wont invoice you for them.
China USA Sweden Taiwan have also sent some.
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You do also realise that if we had joined the EU that UK produced ventilators would also have to go into the mix for distribution elsewhere too |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why?
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on
You realise Germany donated us ventilators.?
Yeah their Army sent 60 mobile ones, now they realised they have enough. They graciously said we wont invoice you for them.
China USA Sweden Taiwan have also sent some.
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So we didn't join a scheme where we could have had ventilstors but we had to rely on the generosity of Germany to acquire them. |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why?
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on
You realise Germany donated us ventilators.?
Yeah their Army sent 60 mobile ones, now they realised they have enough. They graciously said we wont invoice you for them.
China USA Sweden Taiwan have also sent some.
You do also realise that if we had joined the EU that UK produced ventilators would also have to go into the mix for distribution elsewhere too"
We would have actually had to make some 1st. |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Germany gave us about 70 ventilators didnt they?
Yep, the German army I think. The UK was invited to take part in the bulk buy of PPE and ventilators but declined
Im glad we did opt out
Why?
Because its hard enough for us to direct source.
EU are direct sourcing, then there would be the usual bun fight then there will be additional logistics
So for the UK more delay, less products, etc
And they would probably be left hand drive ones with wrong plugs on
You realise Germany donated us ventilators.?
Yeah their Army sent 60 mobile ones, now they realised they have enough. They graciously said we wont invoice you for them.
China USA Sweden Taiwan have also sent some.
You do also realise that if we had joined the EU that UK produced ventilators would also have to go into the mix for distribution elsewhere too
We would have actually had to make some 1st."
Well the good news is, now we arent in the EU we can actually, make, grow, buy, sell. eat, anything we choose.
Great isnt it |
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EU joint procurement scheme for ventilators will not be delivering ventilators for months - EU have already warned members of this.
Meanwhile in the UK, the MHRA have passed the new Penlon Prima ESO2 ventilator this week, with hundreds being built in the next few weeks and production ramping up to 1,500 a week at the beginning of May when the consortium of companies involved in developing the new ventilator also start production.
Kind of glad there was a misunderstanding and UK didn't join the scheme and made their own arrangement/ strategy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We are still in the EU under transition rules. The reason why VAT cannot be removed from PPE. As it cannot from female sanitary products until we actually leave which is now looking doubtful for original date at end of this year.... |
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"We are still in the EU under transition rules. The reason why VAT cannot be removed from PPE. As it cannot from female sanitary products until we actually leave which is now looking doubtful for original date at end of this year...."
From the EU website.
The United Kingdom left the European Union on 31 January 2020, after 47 years of EU membership. In accordance with the Withdrawal Agreement, it is now officially a third country to the EU and hence no longer participates in EU decision-making.
The EU and the UK have, however, jointly agreed on a transition period, which will last until 31 December 2020. Until then, it will be business as usual for citizens, consumers, businesses, investors, students and researchers in both the EU and the UK. EU law still applies to the United Kingdom until the end of the transition period.
The EU and the UK will use these months to negotiate an ambitious and fair partnership for the future.
We have left the EU. It can't be more plain and simple to understand than that.!
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"We are still in the EU under transition rules. The reason why VAT cannot be removed from PPE. As it cannot from female sanitary products until we actually leave which is now looking doubtful for original date at end of this year....
From the EU website.
The United Kingdom left the European Union on 31 January 2020, after 47 years of EU membership. In accordance with the Withdrawal Agreement, it is now officially a third country to the EU and hence no longer participates in EU decision-making.
The EU and the UK have, however, jointly agreed on a transition period, which will last until 31 December 2020. Until then, it will be business as usual for citizens, consumers, businesses, investors, students and researchers in both the EU and the UK. EU law still applies to the United Kingdom until the end of the transition period.
The EU and the UK will use these months to negotiate an ambitious and fair partnership for the future.
We have left the EU. It can't be more plain and simple to understand than that.!
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And I am pleased we have!
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
There are zero rate and reduced rate VAT items depending on the country in the EU.
The minimim standard rate of VAT is 15% but no member country has a standard rate that low.
Sanitary towels and tampons are zero rated in Ireland. In some countries, for example, watching professional sport attracts VAT but watching and playing amateur sport is VAT free.
The European Commission has a list of all the exceptions that are in place.
To help run a single market, member countries have agreed to broadly align their VAT rates, but there are still differences across Europe.
One of the countries with the longest list of VAT exceptions is the UK. An example is a VAT zero rate for tape recorders and cassette tapes for the Royal National Institute for the Blind.
Making further exceptions can be done within EU rules, it's not an overnight thing, it has to be negotiated, but if its reasonable then it's pretty likely to be accepted. |
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement. |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement."
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
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"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
"
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders? "
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are ! |
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Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !"
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum."
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
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This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
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"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum.
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
——-
This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
"
Nothing really..The left were always against the eu which they saw it as monolithic.
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum.
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
——-
This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
Nothing really..The left were always against the eu which they saw it as monolithic.
Which is why corbyn let mps vote the way they saw wish."
So the left and i’ll include socialists as the left
Are principally anti-eu
So this is where i chuckle at hard left Labour supporters who consider leave voters as morons / thick / racists etc
They actually got what they wanted.
Whats even more enlightening for those in the know, was that The Conservative party was the last party to push for a referendum.
Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens have all in the past campaigned and voted for one.
No wonder people get confused,
This is why you should always always vote for the manifesto’s instead of the team you support, and sadly many people vote the same way as their parents did without really assessing the situation for themselves, out of loyalty to mum and dad, not even knowing a political principle of there own.
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"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum.
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
——-
This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
Nothing really..The left were always against the eu which they saw it as monolithic.
Which is why corbyn let mps vote the way they saw wish.
So the left and i’ll include socialists as the left
Are principally anti-eu
So this is where i chuckle at hard left Labour supporters who consider leave voters as morons / thick / racists etc
They actually got what they wanted.
Whats even more enlightening for those in the know, was that The Conservative party was the last party to push for a referendum.
Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens have all in the past campaigned and voted for one.
No wonder people get confused,
This is why you should always always vote for the manifesto’s instead of the team you support, and sadly many people vote the same way as their parents did without really assessing the situation for themselves, out of loyalty to mum and dad, not even knowing a political principle of there own.
Tragic in a free world"
It's one of the few things they have in common but the reasons differ greatly
For the left its about protecting jobs etc
For the right its more nationalistic,little englander,immigration reasons.
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!"
Hypocritical as fuck. Brexiteers have been stamping their feet for years about the EU 'telling us what to do' and now you want to have a pop at them because they allowed countries to respond in their own way?
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum.
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
——-
This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
Nothing really..The left were always against the eu which they saw it as monolithic.
Which is why corbyn let mps vote the way they saw wish.
So the left and i’ll include socialists as the left
Are principally anti-eu
So this is where i chuckle at hard left Labour supporters who consider leave voters as morons / thick / racists etc
They actually got what they wanted.
Whats even more enlightening for those in the know, was that The Conservative party was the last party to push for a referendum.
Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens have all in the past campaigned and voted for one.
No wonder people get confused,
This is why you should always always vote for the manifesto’s instead of the team you support, and sadly many people vote the same way as their parents did without really assessing the situation for themselves, out of loyalty to mum and dad, not even knowing a political principle of there own.
Tragic in a free world
It's one of the few things they have in common but the reasons differ greatly
For the left its about protecting jobs etc
For the right its more nationalistic,little englander,immigration reasons.
You can want the same thing for different reasons."
Yeah but they all get classed the same and get abused the same.
Reading your post i’d assume (maybe wrongly) that you are a Labour supporter and a Remain voter. I can’t fathom if you are a union member or not but you a very vocal about workers and conditions etc. But how do you feel about socialism?
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"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum.
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
——-
This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
Nothing really..The left were always against the eu which they saw it as monolithic.
Which is why corbyn let mps vote the way they saw wish.
So the left and i’ll include socialists as the left
Are principally anti-eu
So this is where i chuckle at hard left Labour supporters who consider leave voters as morons / thick / racists etc
They actually got what they wanted.
Whats even more enlightening for those in the know, was that The Conservative party was the last party to push for a referendum.
Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens have all in the past campaigned and voted for one.
No wonder people get confused,
This is why you should always always vote for the manifesto’s instead of the team you support, and sadly many people vote the same way as their parents did without really assessing the situation for themselves, out of loyalty to mum and dad, not even knowing a political principle of there own.
Tragic in a free world
It's one of the few things they have in common but the reasons differ greatly
For the left its about protecting jobs etc
For the right its more nationalistic,little englander,immigration reasons.
You can want the same thing for different reasons.
Yeah but they all get classed the same and get abused the same.
Reading your post i’d assume (maybe wrongly) that you are a Labour supporter and a Remain voter. I can’t fathom if you are a union member or not but you a very vocal about workers and conditions etc. But how do you feel about socialism?
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
Hypocritical as fuck. Brexiteers have been stamping their feet for years about the EU 'telling us what to do' and now you want to have a pop at them because they allowed countries to respond in their own way?
"
Can't pass up on a opportunity to take a pop at johnny foreigner, even when they offered to source PPE and supplied life saving equipment to you. |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"I have met loads of people from other EU countries who have made their lives, homes and families in this country.
I have met British people living in Spain who came to a rally in Brussels.
I have met people in the Irish Border Communities whose lives have been made much better because of the EU peace project, the customs union, the single market, and the EU programmes like the cross-border projects.
I have been to meet people in the European Commission in Brussels who see themselves as providing a service.
I have met people in the European Parliament.
I have been to Germany and stayed with host families who care about the European project and who care about this country and Ireland.
I love the European Union. It is a wonderful achievement.
I’d agree the ideology of the EU was correct without doubt.
But it was run to the benefit of Germany.
It was marvellous for the countries which were dragged up / propped up by it.
Not good for free trade in other parts of the world.
Not good for those members that were disadvantaged and by restrictions designed to keep them behind Germany.
I obviously voted to leave.
I work in Europe with French and German colleagues and have fantastic relationships with them both.
I holiday in EU countries
I voted out because we were the silent partner in the relationship.
Always at the front when there was a crisis whilst the others hid (the French not so much)
At the back when there were deals to be influenced.
Cameron warned them that we would go to a vote if things did not change.
Their arrogance thought he was bluffing, and then once they found out he wasn’t, their self confidence thought we were too weak as a nation to vote to leave.
But he did, we did, now we have.
Time to all pull together and make the best of the opportunities in front of us.
Have some belief in ourselves, in our country in each other.
We are still European they are still our neighbours.
But we have a commonwealth if not a world of opportunities.
Silent party with a veto?
Our own currency?
You need to have a read up on the real reasons Cameron went for the referendum.
I will do!
Whilst i’m spamming maybe you could share your thoughts on this one below
——-
This is where i start to get confused.
In my lifetime, the early 80’s was a time when the labour party was still on the left side of politics with Michael Foot in charge.
Their 1983 election campaign was based around leaving the EEC
So what changed for labour
Nothing really..The left were always against the eu which they saw it as monolithic.
Which is why corbyn let mps vote the way they saw wish.
So the left and i’ll include socialists as the left
Are principally anti-eu
So this is where i chuckle at hard left Labour supporters who consider leave voters as morons / thick / racists etc
They actually got what they wanted.
Whats even more enlightening for those in the know, was that The Conservative party was the last party to push for a referendum.
Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens have all in the past campaigned and voted for one.
No wonder people get confused,
This is why you should always always vote for the manifesto’s instead of the team you support, and sadly many people vote the same way as their parents did without really assessing the situation for themselves, out of loyalty to mum and dad, not even knowing a political principle of there own.
Tragic in a free world
It's one of the few things they have in common but the reasons differ greatly
For the left its about protecting jobs etc
For the right its more nationalistic,little englander,immigration reasons.
You can want the same thing for different reasons.
Yeah but they all get classed the same and get abused the same.
Reading your post i’d assume (maybe wrongly) that you are a Labour supporter and a Remain voter. I can’t fathom if you are a union member or not but you a very vocal about workers and conditions etc. But how do you feel about socialism?
May need to take that to the politics thread?"
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate. "
Not until mid-late March. When it first kicked off and Italy was shouting for help, there was a deafening silence from the rest of the EU. The first aid on the ground in Italy arrived from China and Russia ffs!, not that it was particularly useful, and more about propoganda. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Not until mid-late March. When it first kicked off and Italy was shouting for help, there was a deafening silence from the rest of the EU. The first aid on the ground in Italy arrived from China and Russia ffs!, not that it was particularly useful, and more about propoganda."
The EU had already discussed and agreed on a bulk buy of PPE and ventilators from early march. The speed and extent of the spread of corona virus in Italy took everyone by surprise. There's no disputing that the EU was taken by surprise by CV19 but saying they did sweet FA doesn't hold water.
The EU did agree to close its external borders on March 17, the UK declined to follow suit and the CTA with Ireland meant that Ireland was left in a difficult position. |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Not until mid-late March. When it first kicked off and Italy was shouting for help, there was a deafening silence from the rest of the EU. The first aid on the ground in Italy arrived from China and Russia ffs!, not that it was particularly useful, and more about propoganda.
The EU had already discussed and agreed on a bulk buy of PPE and ventilators from early march. The speed and extent of the spread of corona virus in Italy took everyone by surprise. There's no disputing that the EU was taken by surprise by CV19 but saying they did sweet FA doesn't hold water.
The EU did agree to close its external borders on March 17, the UK declined to follow suit and the CTA with Ireland meant that Ireland was left in a difficult position. "
Hang on... on one hand we are saying German was bettered prepared but the EU wasnt...
Theres a clue there |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Not until mid-late March. When it first kicked off and Italy was shouting for help, there was a deafening silence from the rest of the EU. The first aid on the ground in Italy arrived from China and Russia ffs!, not that it was particularly useful, and more about propoganda.
The EU had already discussed and agreed on a bulk buy of PPE and ventilators from early march. The speed and extent of the spread of corona virus in Italy took everyone by surprise. There's no disputing that the EU was taken by surprise by CV19 but saying they did sweet FA doesn't hold water.
The EU did agree to close its external borders on March 17, the UK declined to follow suit and the CTA with Ireland meant that Ireland was left in a difficult position.
Hang on... on one hand we are saying German was bettered prepared but the EU wasnt...
Theres a clue there"
Germany didn't specifically prepare for COVID19. Their healthcare is simply much better than that of other countries on any normal day. |
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you."
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters. |
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters."
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book |
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Not until mid-late March. When it first kicked off and Italy was shouting for help, there was a deafening silence from the rest of the EU. The first aid on the ground in Italy arrived from China and Russia ffs!, not that it was particularly useful, and more about propoganda.
The EU had already discussed and agreed on a bulk buy of PPE and ventilators from early march. The speed and extent of the spread of corona virus in Italy took everyone by surprise. There's no disputing that the EU was taken by surprise by CV19 but saying they did sweet FA doesn't hold water.
The EU did agree to close its external borders on March 17, the UK declined to follow suit and the CTA with Ireland meant that Ireland was left in a difficult position.
Hang on... on one hand we are saying German was bettered prepared but the EU wasnt...
Theres a clue there
Germany didn't specifically prepare for COVID19. Their healthcare is simply much better than that of other countries on any normal day."
Remind me how they fund it compared to the UK.
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"So says the EU President Ursula von der Leyen (Who?).
Surely the EU owe all the member states an apology for basically doing sweet FA and leaving every country to sort out their own way of doing things and shutting their own borders etc....every man for himself styleee!
But they didn't do sweet FA. The ECB launched a financial stimulus, €750 Billion to start with. There was an EU bulk buy of both PPE and ventilators. Germany and France both took patients from Italy. Germany is sharing it testing facilities with other EU members. Could they have more? Probably but the bulk of your claim is inaccurate.
Not until mid-late March. When it first kicked off and Italy was shouting for help, there was a deafening silence from the rest of the EU. The first aid on the ground in Italy arrived from China and Russia ffs!, not that it was particularly useful, and more about propoganda.
The EU had already discussed and agreed on a bulk buy of PPE and ventilators from early march. The speed and extent of the spread of corona virus in Italy took everyone by surprise. There's no disputing that the EU was taken by surprise by CV19 but saying they did sweet FA doesn't hold water.
The EU did agree to close its external borders on March 17, the UK declined to follow suit and the CTA with Ireland meant that Ireland was left in a difficult position.
Hang on... on one hand we are saying German was bettered prepared but the EU wasnt...
Theres a clue there
Germany didn't specifically prepare for COVID19. Their healthcare is simply much better than that of other countries on any normal day.
Remind me how they fund it compared to the UK.
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book "
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book
Well according to fact check you are mistaken?"
Lol .... It was common knowledge. French engineers were in Argentina arming the missiles during the war. Spare parts were brought in from Aurospecial ..... |
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book
Well according to fact check you are mistaken?
Lol .... It was common knowledge. French engineers were in Argentina arming the missiles during the war. Spare parts were brought in from Aurospecial ....."
France pulled all their engineers from Argentina once it kicked off, that's what I recall and there were no exocets at all on the islands..
A mate in 59 who was eod told me they were sent looking for them as there was a rumour they were on the islands but it was just that..
Was sunning in South armagh at the time so can only go by that..
I do know they only had 6 and used 5.. |
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book
Well according to fact check you are mistaken?"
I think you need to recheck what you consider to be "facts" before you start spouting garbage. It's well within living memory for servicing military, so dont be daft spouting garbage |
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book
Well according to fact check you are mistaken?
I think you need to recheck what you consider to be "facts" before you start spouting garbage. It's well within living memory for servicing military, so dont be daft spouting garbage "
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book
Well according to fact check you are mistaken?
Lol .... It was common knowledge. French engineers were in Argentina arming the missiles during the war. Spare parts were brought in from Aurospecial .....
France pulled all their engineers from Argentina once it kicked off, that's what I recall and there were no exocets at all on the islands..
A mate in 59 who was eod told me they were sent looking for them as there was a rumour they were on the islands but it was just that..
Was sunning in South armagh at the time so can only go by that..
I do know they only had 6 and used 5.."
The Sheffield was sunk by a French exocet missile prepared by French Engineers ..... |
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I was only 10 or 11 at the time and my Father served on HMS Brilliant, as a family we followed things very closely as you can imagine and in subsequent years I heard many things from my Father and his colleagues. |
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"Blimey
Can you imagine the response if the EU had told us to close our borders?
The fuss they made when rightly USA closed their borders . I have long memory as was in the Falklands and during the conflict countries in the EU were shipping expect missiles to Argentina @ it's in times of trouble you learn who your mates are !
I'd check fact check if I were you.
Please do check . The act remains the French were shipping expect missiles for use on Argentine fighters.
I was there and there was evidence post conflict from unexploded ordnance.... please check your facts mate but visual evidence is proof in my book
Well according to fact check you are mistaken?
Lol .... It was common knowledge. French engineers were in Argentina arming the missiles during the war. Spare parts were brought in from Aurospecial .....
France pulled all their engineers from Argentina once it kicked off, that's what I recall and there were no exocets at all on the islands..
A mate in 59 who was eod told me they were sent looking for them as there was a rumour they were on the islands but it was just that..
Was sunning in South armagh at the time so can only go by that..
I do know they only had 6 and used 5..
The Sheffield was sunk by a French exocet missile prepared by French Engineers ....."
They all were, certainly the ones on the planes that was part of the contract to supply and train etc with the French but the French once it kicked off pulled their people out that's how I recall it..
So the argies would have had the know how..
I remember distinctly during the time we were getting updates via our ops room and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the French who were rumoured to be sending more but that turned out to be a rumour..
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