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"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. Also Governments around the world who did not act quickly enough in the own countries, who did not have the countries best interest taken into consideration I do genuinely think the UK government should of implemented the lock down at least a week and probably 2 weeks earlier and that is not in hindsight, far to many people have died and suffered you only need to look at the likes of Germany. " Germany only went into lockdown a day before the UK did. | |||
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"With the benefit of hindsight I would picked different lottery numbers last week and the week before...... "So would I, and I'd still have lost...  | |||
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"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. " Here here, no need for all this. | |||
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"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this." How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths? | |||
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"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. Also Governments around the world who did not act quickly enough in the own countries, who did not have the countries best interest taken into consideration I do genuinely think the UK government should of implemented the lock down at least a week and probably 2 weeks earlier and that is not in hindsight, far to many people have died and suffered you only need to look at the likes of Germany. " Without a doubt China should be held responsible with at the very least the CCP regime having sanctions against indivuals in the autocracy. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. " Yes I agree but even when virus danger is over we then have to get economies working again,looking for who to blame is of little importance,it happened lets fight it. The same as aids but was there any point blaming anyone,there is still no cure. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths?" Take a look at how wartime government worked, bashing each other right now doesn't help, making people answer the same question 1000000x doesnt make ppe magically appear or testing happen, they arent deliberately holding off on it, they messed up and are trying to fix it. Make no mistake, im no tory, cant stand Boris usually, and think the entire thing has been totally mishandled at every level to epic proportions, this is a bad situation and a reckoning will come, but not now. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths? Take a look at how wartime government worked, bashing each other right now doesn't help, making people answer the same question 1000000x doesnt make ppe magically appear or testing happen, they arent deliberately holding off on it, they messed up and are trying to fix it. Make no mistake, im no tory, cant stand Boris usually, and think the entire thing has been totally mishandled at every level to epic proportions, this is a bad situation and a reckoning will come, but not now." I believe that now more than ever the government need to be scrutinised at every turn, for every decision they're making. Literally thousands of lives are at stake. And let's not kid ourselves that Boris or anyone will face even the softest of investigation after this is done. | |||
"Certainly don’t read the Daily Mail but I think that the Chinese handling of the initial outbreak was utterly contemptible and has made things worse. By lying about figures, everyone’s calculations were flawed. They also will do nicely out of selling medical equipment and the rebuilding of the world economy. I don’t think they should." Who would suffer from the UK imposing sanctions on China? | |||
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"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths? Take a look at how wartime government worked, bashing each other right now doesn't help, making people answer the same question 1000000x doesnt make ppe magically appear or testing happen, they arent deliberately holding off on it, they messed up and are trying to fix it. Make no mistake, im no tory, cant stand Boris usually, and think the entire thing has been totally mishandled at every level to epic proportions, this is a bad situation and a reckoning will come, but not now. I believe that now more than ever the government need to be scrutinised at every turn, for every decision they're making. Literally thousands of lives are at stake. And let's not kid ourselves that Boris or anyone will face even the softest of investigation after this is done. " If we are going to look at every decision at every turn, how longs that going to take, and how many will die then? Decisiveness now, blame later. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths? Take a look at how wartime government worked, bashing each other right now doesn't help, making people answer the same question 1000000x doesnt make ppe magically appear or testing happen, they arent deliberately holding off on it, they messed up and are trying to fix it. Make no mistake, im no tory, cant stand Boris usually, and think the entire thing has been totally mishandled at every level to epic proportions, this is a bad situation and a reckoning will come, but not now. I believe that now more than ever the government need to be scrutinised at every turn, for every decision they're making. Literally thousands of lives are at stake. And let's not kid ourselves that Boris or anyone will face even the softest of investigation after this is done. If we are going to look at every decision at every turn, how longs that going to take, and how many will die then? Decisiveness now, blame later." It's the standard process of government. Surely it's worth coming to the right choices and decisions? Being decisive only works if you make the correct decisions. It's more about making the best choices, rather than whatever random choice and ploughing ahead with it regardless, only having to change it later. I don't understand why people think the government should just be free to do whatever without being scrutinised. It's now vital that every decision is in the best interest of the people. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths?" I don't think anyone said you are not allowed to question what they are doing now or previously. For me, what has happened at the beginning is not something that I would question now as there isn't anything that can change that, but I do think questions need to be asked after it is all over. For what happens here and now, I think if people think they are cocking up then it should be questioned as making mistakes could make things much worse than it already is. I do think mistakes will be made though, they have advisers who seem to change their mind a lot, now that could be because it seems to be a moving target at times, or it could be they didn't get it right with their expert advice | |||
"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. Also Governments around the world who did not act quickly enough in the own countries, who did not have the countries best interest taken into consideration I do genuinely think the UK government should of implemented the lock down at least a week and probably 2 weeks earlier and that is not in hindsight, far to many people have died and suffered you only need to look at the likes of Germany. " Given that world trade has ground to a halt, and that we've already got travel restrictions, what sort of sanctions are you imagining? There aren't many textbooks on this kind of stuff, but if there were I imagine there'd be a chapter on how not to make the economic impact of a pandemic worse by starting a trade war immediately after it's over. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths? I don't think anyone said you are not allowed to question what they are doing now or previously. For me, what has happened at the beginning is not something that I would question now as there isn't anything that can change that, but I do think questions need to be asked after it is all over. For what happens here and now, I think if people think they are cocking up then it should be questioned as making mistakes could make things much worse than it already is. I do think mistakes will be made though, they have advisers who seem to change their mind a lot, now that could be because it seems to be a moving target at times, or it could be they didn't get it right with their expert advice" Think what one of the chief medical/science guys said the other day sums it up, we just dont know, all the advice is models which are sketchy at best due to date being withheld by certain Countries and organizations, or educated guesswork. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths?" OK, so you question the policies, what then? How will they be held accountable? Criminal charges? Forced out of office? What exactly will that achieve? What is all of this complaining doing now to help the situation? We are in the middle of a world wide crisis, governments have made mistakes, including ours, but we need to all pull together to get through it and try to learn from the mistakes made. Pointing fingers isn't doing any good for anyone. | |||
"Certainly don’t read the Daily Mail but I think that the Chinese handling of the initial outbreak was utterly contemptible and has made things worse. By lying about figures, everyone’s calculations were flawed. They also will do nicely out of selling medical equipment and the rebuilding of the world economy. I don’t think they should. Who would suffer from the UK imposing sanctions on China?" I don’t think the UK is in a position to sanction anyone post covid/Brexit. Just in my opinion China should be called to account for its actions in covering up the outbreak, then manipulating the figures; these actions undoubtedly wasted time and cost lives. No our government undoubtedly made mistakes but at least they made quick u turns based on the advice they got. They will be judged in time. In general the world took its eye off coronaviruses after the SARS outbreak and a brief panic about them; we even got a reminder with MERS, this was a massive failing as we cannot say we weren’t warned. So no one comes out well here, even the panic buying British public made things worse for ourselves. | |||
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"I’m not sure the constant calls for politicians to be held to account didn’t lead to the delays in locking down. "  it was a hard decision to make and plenty of people would have bitched if it was made earlier, they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. | |||
"Bloody experts eh...?" Are you disillusioned with people having an opinion on this type of thread? | |||
"(During) this crisis China was elected to be added to the UN Human Rights Council panel. So I wouldn't hold your breath Not accounting for how the ccp covered up, lied and stopped the spread of the information about this virus. That still have (thought transformation camps) where the countries minority population are sent for readjustment I. E hard labour A healthy distrust for ANY politician is a healthy place to start by the ccp take corruption to a whole new level. This is not about hating a country or its population or even a political ideology. This about a group of people hell bent on deceiving anyone and anything to maintain their grip on power. The only people who are going to pay for this is future generations in tax. Just as its always been In the last decade the uk only just finished paying back loans to America for World War 2. " So true but why does CCP in China get away with so much? If this was any other country we wouldn't be doing business with them for many reasons, just one being: The Chinese Communist Party CCP harvest organs from living prisoners which is no different what Mengele and the Nazi Party did during the Holocaust. The only country to have banned its citizens from going there for organ transplants is Israel because I guess they are the only country that sees the parallel. Like everything one day it will be over and the CCP will fall, then I guess it would be the same as allied WW2 soldiers walking into German concentration camps and the world will wonder why they did nothing. Yet so many countries including Britain want to do business with them, this is sick! https://chinatribunal.com/ | |||
"(During) this crisis China was elected to be added to the UN Human Rights Council panel. So I wouldn't hold your breath Not accounting for how the ccp covered up, lied and stopped the spread of the information about this virus. That still have (thought transformation camps) where the countries minority population are sent for readjustment I. E hard labour A healthy distrust for ANY politician is a healthy place to start by the ccp take corruption to a whole new level. This is not about hating a country or its population or even a political ideology. This about a group of people hell bent on deceiving anyone and anything to maintain their grip on power. The only people who are going to pay for this is future generations in tax. Just as its always been In the last decade the uk only just finished paying back loans to America for World War 2. So true but why does CCP in China get away with so much? If this was any other country we wouldn't be doing business with them for many reasons, just one being: The Chinese Communist Party CCP harvest organs from living prisoners which is no different what Mengele and the Nazi Party did during the Holocaust. The only country to have banned its citizens from going there for organ transplants is Israel because I guess they are the only country that sees the parallel. Like everything one day it will be over and the CCP will fall, then I guess it would be the same as allied WW2 soldiers walking into German concentration camps and the world will wonder why they did nothing. Yet so many countries including Britain want to do business with them, this is sick! https://chinatribunal.com/ " Its a disturbing country when you look under the surface, extremely so infact, reeducation camps for the Muslims that have been on the news last year just looked awful, if i remember correctly Mezit Ozil(Arsenal Muslim footballer) spoke out against it and he was instantly silenced and disciplined at a few levels iirc. | |||
"Bloody experts eh...? Are you disillusioned with people having an opinion on this type of thread?" More to do with your previous comment about the expert advice changing....which it has done to some extent... | |||
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"(During) this crisis China was elected to be added to the UN Human Rights Council panel. So I wouldn't hold your breath Not accounting for how the ccp covered up, lied and stopped the spread of the information about this virus. That still have (thought transformation camps) where the countries minority population are sent for readjustment I. E hard labour A healthy distrust for ANY politician is a healthy place to start by the ccp take corruption to a whole new level. This is not about hating a country or its population or even a political ideology. This about a group of people hell bent on deceiving anyone and anything to maintain their grip on power. The only people who are going to pay for this is future generations in tax. Just as its always been In the last decade the uk only just finished paying back loans to America for World War 2. So true but why does CCP in China get away with so much? If this was any other country we wouldn't be doing business with them for many reasons, just one being: The Chinese Communist Party CCP harvest organs from living prisoners which is no different what Mengele and the Nazi Party did during the Holocaust. The only country to have banned its citizens from going there for organ transplants is Israel because I guess they are the only country that sees the parallel. Like everything one day it will be over and the CCP will fall, then I guess it would be the same as allied WW2 soldiers walking into German concentration camps and the world will wonder why they did nothing. Yet so many countries including Britain want to do business with them, this is sick! https://chinatribunal.com/ Its a disturbing country when you look under the surface, extremely so infact, reeducation camps for the Muslims that have been on the news last year just looked awful, if i remember correctly Mezit Ozil(Arsenal Muslim footballer) spoke out against it and he was instantly silenced and disciplined at a few levels iirc." Look what happen to the nba players who supported the protests inHonk Kong for independence. Either silenced or faced losing their jobs. And those playes not interested, intimated or not aware where rolled to support China. You could argue why sports personalities need to express their political allegiance but they shouldn't be shut down for having an opinion. Even th Who's denial to accept Taiwan as an independent member despite their excellent response to their virus. I just don't think these issues get enough air time. Europe has been to busy fighting over brexit And the US over the presidency to look at China and the rest of the world operate And thats not to say the EU and the US are shinning beacons of democracy | |||
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"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. " Governments are accountable to their population but that's not how communism works or the ccp. They are accountable for their actions and response to global population through multiple agencies. A simple example is war crimes and human rights... Otherwise we would go back to 19th century model of counties going to war for land and resources. I think there is general misunderstanding of wet markets in the west. For the most part they are like local vegtable market stalls like you would see in any market town in the uk. They are just in an enclosed building. Most don't sell meat but some do. And today Chinas ccp has just announced a TAX BREAK on the export of wet market to other counties including rhino horn. Unbelievable. I don't blame the country the people or even their choosen political ideology but those in power their will do all they can to avoid accountability for any of their actions. Just as in the Eu and and USA. Trump released a propaganda video in a press conference about how great his response to the virus was. Don't expect anyones head to roll for any of this... Although some are more complicit than others. Personally Im waiting for the day a politician admits they are wrong. Learns from it implemens changes and mainstream media not to rip them apart for changing their mind. Isnt that what any rational person would do? | |||
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"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. " Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. | |||
"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. " But they haven't "exported a contagion to the world". Viruses are natural. This wasn't don't on purpose. | |||
"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. But they haven't "exported a contagion to the world". Viruses are natural. This wasn't don't on purpose." They have spread a contagion But they have spread lies and deceit regarding it. Only 10 days ago the ccp was trying to spin bullshit that the US special forces "exported" the contagion to China and implanted in wuhan. What the actual fuck? You can have a natural disaster but their unnatural response of.. if china has to economically burn so should the rest of the world is appalling. The outcry against them is much louder in other parts of the world. The ccp has burnt its bridges with Oceana most noticeably Australia. I think tensions will be high in that region for a long time after the dust has settled on the virus. | |||
"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. But they haven't "exported a contagion to the world". Viruses are natural. This wasn't don't on purpose. They have spread a contagion But they have spread lies and deceit regarding it. Only 10 days ago the ccp was trying to spin bullshit that the US special forces "exported" the contagion to China and implanted in wuhan. What the actual fuck? You can have a natural disaster but their unnatural response of.. if china has to economically burn so should the rest of the world is appalling. The outcry against them is much louder in other parts of the world. The ccp has burnt its bridges with Oceana most noticeably Australia. I think tensions will be high in that region for a long time after the dust has settled on the virus. " Yes, it's very easy to rile people up and point the finger of blame elsewhere to deflect from your own performance dealing with the pandemic. | |||
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"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. Also Governments around the world who did not act quickly enough in the own countries, who did not have the countries best interest taken into consideration I do genuinely think the UK government should of implemented the lock down at least a week and probably 2 weeks earlier and that is not in hindsight, far to many people have died and suffered you only need to look at the likes of Germany. " Why are you looking for someone to blame? Surely a much better use of your time would be to help and empathise with others rather than point the finger. | |||
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"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. But they haven't "exported a contagion to the world". Viruses are natural. This wasn't don't on purpose." Absolutely on purpose, if you remember they first denied it when pictures of dead people started appearing on social media, even in January WHO was stating it was okay to travel to China. When SARS broke out in 2002 it was because WHO and donor countries were able to get into the areas and contain SARS that it was not a problem like this is. WHO only declared a pandemic on March 11. https://www.cnet.com/news/coronavirus-timeline-how-the-disease-spread-across-the-globe-december-2019-into-march-2020/ | |||
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"We still haven't killed anyone for the bubonic plague..... Once we've done that we can move on to the black death ...... fucking bastards. " Just so you know The Black Death was an epidemic of bubonic plague and strangely enough we had an outbreak in China in November 2019 - just so you know! https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/16/china-bubonic-plague-outbreak-pandemic/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/13/two-people-diagnosed-with-pneumonic-plague-in-china https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/13/health/china-plague-intl-hnk-scn-scli/index.html | |||
"Okay. If it was deliberate. Why ?" The virus wasn't deliberate (like made or anything) but letting it out was - well sort of simply because then like all totalitarian states it would have to admit something was wrong and if history teaches us anything is that never do. | |||
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"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. But they haven't "exported a contagion to the world". Viruses are natural. This wasn't don't on purpose. Absolutely on purpose, if you remember they first denied it when pictures of dead people started appearing on social media, even in January WHO was stating it was okay to travel to China. When SARS broke out in 2002 it was because WHO and donor countries were able to get into the areas and contain SARS that it was not a problem like this is. WHO only declared a pandemic on March 11. https://www.cnet.com/news/coronavirus-timeline-how-the-disease-spread-across-the-globe-december-2019-into-march-2020/" Okay. But denying it, isn't the same as deliberately spreading it. Plenty of world leaders have denied that it's a problem. Are you suggesting they all delivery spread the disease? | |||
"Typical empire attitude here from op, sad times, just wise up and leave China alone, and stop reading tabloid newspapers. So should Britain be sanctioned for selling arms to Saudi Arabia who are then bombing the shit out of Yeman? Go and educate yourself op on what your own country is doing to others first. " You cannot even equate any country to what China is doing. Wholesale selling and human organs from their prison population. No freedom of the press. Manipulation of capital markets in the US and UK to the benefit of a 2 tier financial system the Chinese run. Selling goods under cost against WTO rules that they signed up for. Cornering the API market which is essential for the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. The export without restriction of recreational drugs. Theft of Intellectual property. Restricting the repatriation of foreign-owned companies earnings in China (bet you didn't know that) CCP also bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre of 1989, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals. The CCP is worse than Stalin and Nazi Germany combined. | |||
"Okay. If it was deliberate. Why ?" How is a better question. Scientists can't make a vaccine so to make the flu itself would be impossible. There's some really good interviews with the likes of Michael Osterholm who's an expert that's worth checking out. It makes you realise how serious this thing is but also brings into perspective why the origin was China. He approaches it with fact as well. Much better than listening to hate mongering or the average Joe fanning the flames by giving their opinion on something they know nothing about | |||
"Typical empire attitude here from op, sad times, just wise up and leave China alone, and stop reading tabloid newspapers. So should Britain be sanctioned for selling arms to Saudi Arabia who are then bombing the shit out of Yeman? Go and educate yourself op on what your own country is doing to others first. You cannot even equate any country to what China is doing. Wholesale selling and human organs from their prison population. No freedom of the press. Manipulation of capital markets in the US and UK to the benefit of a 2 tier financial system the Chinese run. Selling goods under cost against WTO rules that they signed up for. Cornering the API market which is essential for the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. The export without restriction of recreational drugs. Theft of Intellectual property. Restricting the repatriation of foreign-owned companies earnings in China (bet you didn't know that) CCP also bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre of 1989, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals. The CCP is worse than Stalin and Nazi Germany combined. " So what would you have people do? Start a war with China? | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. " Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market. 
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late. 
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this. | |||
"Typical empire attitude here from op, sad times, just wise up and leave China alone, and stop reading tabloid newspapers. So should Britain be sanctioned for selling arms to Saudi Arabia who are then bombing the shit out of Yeman? Go and educate yourself op on what your own country is doing to others first. You cannot even equate any country to what China is doing. Wholesale selling and human organs from their prison population. No freedom of the press. Manipulation of capital markets in the US and UK to the benefit of a 2 tier financial system the Chinese run. Selling goods under cost against WTO rules that they signed up for. Cornering the API market which is essential for the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. The export without restriction of recreational drugs. Theft of Intellectual property. Restricting the repatriation of foreign-owned companies earnings in China (bet you didn't know that) CCP also bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre of 1989, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals. The CCP is worse than Stalin and Nazi Germany combined. So what would you have people do? Start a war with China?" I think people are missing the point here. There already is a war with China.. A trade war. It's being fraught with stocks shares bonds and pretty much and financial instrument. Along with sanctions trade agreements pr and social media. Any time the stock markets fall in China the government hoovers up the losses. America has just literally printed £2.5 trillion dollars x1. 5 times teh size of their current trade deficit. | |||
"Typical empire attitude here from op, sad times, just wise up and leave China alone, and stop reading tabloid newspapers. So should Britain be sanctioned for selling arms to Saudi Arabia who are then bombing the shit out of Yeman? Go and educate yourself op on what your own country is doing to others first. You cannot even equate any country to what China is doing. Wholesale selling and human organs from their prison population. No freedom of the press. Manipulation of capital markets in the US and UK to the benefit of a 2 tier financial system the Chinese run. Selling goods under cost against WTO rules that they signed up for. Cornering the API market which is essential for the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. The export without restriction of recreational drugs. Theft of Intellectual property. Restricting the repatriation of foreign-owned companies earnings in China (bet you didn't know that) CCP also bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre of 1989, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals. The CCP is worse than Stalin and Nazi Germany combined. So what would you have people do? Start a war with China? I think people are missing the point here. There already is a war with China.. A trade war. It's being fraught with stocks shares bonds and pretty much and financial instrument. Along with sanctions trade agreements pr and social media. Any time the stock markets fall in China the government hoovers up the losses. America has just literally printed £2.5 trillion dollars x1. 5 times teh size of their current trade deficit. " Doesn't really work that way (but did when the US had QE), besides right now the dollar is in short supply which means that countries are buying it up and the US Fed has expanded dollar swap lines with central banks - The Euro and ECG for example had QE as well and that is the problem for central banks worldwide as there is no liquidity in the system and they have nowhere to move and this time they cant print there way out of this mess. Central banks should let the interest rate rise to take out some cash but the problem is liquidly and of coarse China and more particularly Hong Kong would crash if the dollar interest rate rises | |||
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"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this. "We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat. The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from. Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings. | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this. "Ive tried to word things diplomatically in my post... (Everyone's entitled to an opinion...unless you think like the ccp) But this is spot on.
Most of the world leaders have gotten things wrong at some point and its understandable this is unprecedented
but lies on both sides of the continent is awful. Trump my generally be a shower of shit and yes he does (try) to spin the media narrative
But at least he doesn't literally scrub the Internet from citizens trying to warn the world how bad things are like the ccp did to residents in wuhan. Comments blogs videos all taken down.
Even now if you want to enter certain affected parts of China you have to do so using an qr app on your phone.
Which the ccp are using to then monitor your actions in those zones.
This isn't about racism or xenophobia. This is about an illicit political party literally throwing its own citizens under the bus to maintain power.
Should the beheld accountable yes along with any other country that has made reckless decisions aware of the implications of their actions
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"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. " Nothing like a bit of racism in the forums. No one calling for the USA to be made accountable for the H1N1 pandemic that killed over 500,000 worldwide and that started in the USA. Incidentally I see no one calling for anyone to be made accountable for the 110,000+ people who die every year from (mostly preventable) Coronary Heart Disease in the UK. Last time I looked most fast food outlets were open and people it seems are getting even less exercise. | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this. "As usual these rumours start with some truth and then the blanks get filled in or suggested to suit peoples narratives. Back in 2014/15 there was US funded research into corona viruses, and yes some were lab created for study purposes. The research was into what the scientists call gain of function, which means acquiring new ability through mutation. The head of the dept than carried out the research was a Dr Tony Fauci. One of the scientists involved in the project was Shi Zhengli-Li went to the Wuhan lab after the US funded study was finished. Shi Zhengli was one the first scientists to identify the source of CV19. Now add some Alex Jones flavoured bullshit, a dash of Daily Mail to the mix, serve on FaceBoke and you got a lab created bio weapon. https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7 From the abstract: Since the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) 18 years ago, a large number of SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs) have been discovered in their natural reservoir host, bats1,2,3,4. Previous studies have shown that some bat SARSr-CoVs have the potential to infect humans5,6,7. Here we report the identification and characterization of a new coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which caused an epidemic of acute respiratory syndrome in humans in Wuhan, China. The epidemic, which started on 12 December 2019, had caused 2,794 laboratory-confirmed infections including 80 deaths by 26 January 2020. Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at an early stage of the outbreak. The sequences are almost identical and share 79.6% sequence identity to SARS-CoV. Furthermore, we show that 2019-nCoV is 96% identical at the whole-genome level to a bat coronavirus. | |||
"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. Nothing like a bit of racism in the forums. No one calling for the USA to be made accountable for the H1N1 pandemic that killed over 500,000 worldwide and that started in the USA. Incidentally I see no one calling for anyone to be made accountable for the 110,000+ people who die every year from (mostly preventable) Coronary Heart Disease in the UK. Last time I looked most fast food outlets were open and people it seems are getting even less exercise." Or the people who die in Yemen with bombs that we continue to sell to Saudi Arabia. Maybe those Yemeni families don't count? If you want to call out China. You need to recognise our own government does some horrific shit too. | |||
"The WHO has said from day 1 TEST TEST TEST and that is what Germany have done. The UK is going to be the worst effected country in Europe, if we start to test people who have had the virus and it is found they are immune to it then let them return to work. " You can only do that if their whole household are immune otherwise they could be taking the virus home on their clothes et. if they are working with the public. | |||
"Typical empire attitude here from op, sad times, just wise up and leave China alone, and stop reading tabloid newspapers. So should Britain be sanctioned for selling arms to Saudi Arabia who are then bombing the shit out of Yeman? Go and educate yourself op on what your own country is doing to others first. You cannot even equate any country to what China is doing. Wholesale selling and human organs from their prison population. No freedom of the press. Manipulation of capital markets in the US and UK to the benefit of a 2 tier financial system the Chinese run. Selling goods under cost against WTO rules that they signed up for. Cornering the API market which is essential for the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. The export without restriction of recreational drugs. Theft of Intellectual property. Restricting the repatriation of foreign-owned companies earnings in China (bet you didn't know that) CCP also bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre of 1989, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals. The CCP is worse than Stalin and Nazi Germany combined. So what would you have people do? Start a war with China? I think people are missing the point here. There already is a war with China.. A trade war. It's being fraught with stocks shares bonds and pretty much and financial instrument. Along with sanctions trade agreements pr and social media. Any time the stock markets fall in China the government hoovers up the losses. America has just literally printed £2.5 trillion dollars x1. 5 times teh size of their current trade deficit. Doesn't really work that way (but did when the US had QE), besides right now the dollar is in short supply which means that countries are buying it up and the US Fed has expanded dollar swap lines with central banks - The Euro and ECG for example had QE as well and that is the problem for central banks worldwide as there is no liquidity in the system and they have nowhere to move and this time they cant print there way out of this mess. Central banks should let the interest rate rise to take out some cash but the problem is liquidly and of coarse China and more particularly Hong Kong would crash if the dollar interest rate rises " I'd agree with that in that short term which let's face it is all trump wants.. The stock market to go up. Despite is dislocation with the real economy. But I'd also agree with long term plan of interest rate rises. Unfortunately long term I don't see that happening... I see an oversupply of the dollar and it going into a 90s Japan style economy. No doubt the US and china will slug it out and instead of find a compromise and both change their crappy practices they will end up imploding another financial market. Just like humans do every 8-10 years. You can tell this ain't my first time at that stock market depression rodeo  | |||
" Members of my family and friends do genuinely believe they had this virus in Dec 2019 Jan of this year displaying very similar or exact symptoms as Covid 19, does anyone else think they may of had this virus earlier before the UK first reported." They may well believe that they had CV19 in December however with all the the people stating that they have had it it would have shown up in cases entering into hospital with the complication that are showing now. It cannot be rumberling around in the community for 3 months with its infection rate and not show up in the death rated until late February and the first recorded death was of a Chinese tourist if I remember correctly. | |||
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"Accountable to whom? Governments are generally accountable to their electorate. China may have been the source but unless any actions are proven as breaking international laws, they will continue as normal. They will likely continue their restrictions on wet markets for some time, perhaps permanently, I'd hope. Forcing a regime change or change of methodology won't happen easily or ever. Other countries can change themselves to become more self-reliant, better equipped for similar threats etc. That's the better way. For now, it's ideal to foster international cooperation and wellbeing, rather than creating divisions and this is also true at home. Focus on the now and how to use resources to help everyone, without pariahs. Why the double standards? You had pressure against South Africa for apartheid, now we need pressure against CCP, they had chance from 1989 and the Tiananmen massacre where they promised to open up if they could trade and the situation for their own citizens have gotten worse. Now they have exported a contagion to the world, enough is enough. " There aren't or shouldn't be double standards but the applicability of what can be done varies by state. China is not suspected of malicious action generally. It likely does feel responsibility and did, for example, release the full genetic code of the virus very quickly to the rest of the world. It's likely that they are in an image management strategy, aiming to limit the perceived damages to their reputation. Some international obligations exist for all countries. Sanctions may be made against those breaking obligations, treaties etc. It's disappointing if they don't further restrict what has been fairly lightly managed wild animal farming. It's likely imo that their expansion of wild animal farming has helped to bridge the gaps between animals that have been isolated from humans and human animal farming, helping to support the many infections that affect wild animals being given easier opportunities to get closer to infecting people. As cities have expanded into areas bordering wild landscapes, it also facilitates easier transfers between species. This disease isn't a Chinese disease, it's a type of infection that has been facilitated by the world, including Western lifestyles. In short, we should resist urges to break bridges, as collaborative progress towards ending this danger is better than aggressive fighting between states, which can further harm all sides. Influence is powerful, especially so when working together. | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings."I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve. Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus. The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab. So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like. The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it. | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it."Okay boss. Whatever makes you feel better about pointing the finger at China. If you care to read some actual science. You'll find more interesting information. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature The truth may not fit your agenda. But that doesn't stop it from being true. | |||
"Just no. Let's get on top of this crisis, work together, be supportive and not start looking to point the finger. There will be time to reflect and review afterwards but it's a virus. " This | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it.
Okay boss. Whatever makes you feel better about pointing the finger at China.
If you care to read some actual science. You'll find more interesting information.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
The truth may not fit your agenda. But that doesn't stop it from being true.
"One of Shi Zhengli's papers was actually published in "Nature" The truth is that the Chinese government are a shower of shit. However like all despotic states they will always find their apologists. Just as an aside. I wonder what the world would say if Germany still had Hitlers face on its banknotes? Well Mao murdered more people than Hitler and his smiling face is all over Chinese notes. Enough said. | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it.
Okay boss. Whatever makes you feel better about pointing the finger at China.
If you care to read some actual science. You'll find more interesting information.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
The truth may not fit your agenda. But that doesn't stop it from being true.
One of Shi Zhengli's papers was actually published in "Nature"
The truth is that the Chinese government are a shower of shit. However like all despotic states they will always find their apologists.
Just as an aside. I wonder what the world would say if Germany still had Hitlers face on its banknotes?
Well Mao murdered more people than Hitler and his smiling face is all over Chinese notes. Enough said."In my pocket I have banknotes with the face of the last heir of a dynasty that enslaved million of people. | |||
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" Members of my family and friends do genuinely believe they had this virus in Dec 2019 Jan of this year displaying very similar or exact symptoms as Covid 19, does anyone else think they may of had this virus earlier before the UK first reported." I too do believe I had this in December. I’m a relatively healthy fit person never really having issues with cold viruses before but this hit me for six, out of action for two weeks two days of those in bed feeling like I’d be run over by an American football team. So yes I do believe I’ve had this but as testing is not available I will still continue with social distancing and regular hand washing. | |||
"How many more threads do we need with people calling for sanctions on China. Why would you want to do that? What would it achieve? what president would this set for future viral outbreaks, should we always punish the country where the virus happened to evolve to be able to jump species? Stop reading the Daily Mail. " Don’t think the wet markets over there should still be operating, if this is the case. | |||
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"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it.
Okay boss. Whatever makes you feel better about pointing the finger at China.
If you care to read some actual science. You'll find more interesting information.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
The truth may not fit your agenda. But that doesn't stop it from being true.
One of Shi Zhengli's papers was actually published in "Nature"
The truth is that the Chinese government are a shower of shit. However like all despotic states they will always find their apologists.
Just as an aside. I wonder what the world would say if Germany still had Hitlers face on its banknotes?
Well Mao murdered more people than Hitler and his smiling face is all over Chinese notes. Enough said."Weird tangent there. Try to stick to the science first. Understand what happened, and why it happened. If you understand what's going on it removes the need to believe random people speculating on the internet. And then you don't need to go off on rants about Hitler and Chairman Mao being on banknotes. Although I'm secretly impressed that you managed to shoehorn this into a thread about viruses. | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it."Do you have any evidence and scientific proof of this or are you just spouting what you believe and trying to pass it off as fact? | |||
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"...start to test people who have had the virus and it is found they are immune to it then let them return to work. " Can’t imagine that working | |||
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"This thing is here whether we like it or not and this is not the time to point fingers and impose sanctions against China. What good are the sanctions going to do,it will just affect the poor people as it does with most countries that get sanctioned. People need to keep themselves safe, follow the guidelines and stop this bull shut of wanting to scrutinise the government as if they're responsible for this outbreak. Look after your damn self and stay safe its not the government's job to keep you safe." I agree that pointing the finger at China is stupid and sanctions don't work. Why would you not want the government policy scrutinised at this time? Surely now its more important than ever to hold them to the highest possible standard in decision making. 1,000s of people are dying every day. This notion that we should just stand back and let the government do whatever they want, completely unchecked is rediculous. | |||
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"This thing is here whether we like it or not and this is not the time to point fingers and impose sanctions against China. What good are the sanctions going to do,it will just affect the poor people as it does with most countries that get sanctioned. People need to keep themselves safe, follow the guidelines and stop this bull shut of wanting to scrutinise the government as if they're responsible for this outbreak. Look after your damn self and stay safe its not the government's job to keep you safe. I agree that pointing the finger at China is stupid and sanctions don't work. Why would you not want the government policy scrutinised at this time? Surely now its more important than ever to hold them to the highest possible standard in decision making. 1,000s of people are dying every day. This notion that we should just stand back and let the government do whatever they want, completely unchecked is rediculous." What is it that you'd have the government do? I think they're doing the best they can,this was not going to be preventable as it's a virus with symptoms that can go unnoticed. No one was prepared for this. We as a nation need to play our part too and not just look to the government. I'm a front line worker and we see how people are not followed guidelines and just want to be out and about just because they can and know that there's nothing that can be done to stop them . We all need to take responsibility and look after ourselves | |||
"This thing is here whether we like it or not and this is not the time to point fingers and impose sanctions against China. What good are the sanctions going to do,it will just affect the poor people as it does with most countries that get sanctioned. People need to keep themselves safe, follow the guidelines and stop this bull shut of wanting to scrutinise the government as if they're responsible for this outbreak. Look after your damn self and stay safe its not the government's job to keep you safe. I agree that pointing the finger at China is stupid and sanctions don't work. Why would you not want the government policy scrutinised at this time? Surely now its more important than ever to hold them to the highest possible standard in decision making. 1,000s of people are dying every day. This notion that we should just stand back and let the government do whatever they want, completely unchecked is rediculous. What is it that you'd have the government do? I think they're doing the best they can,this was not going to be preventable as it's a virus with symptoms that can go unnoticed. No one was prepared for this. We as a nation need to play our part too and not just look to the government. I'm a front line worker and we see how people are not followed guidelines and just want to be out and about just because they can and know that there's nothing that can be done to stop them . We all need to take responsibility and look after ourselves " Well I disagree that the government are doing the best they can. And have little to no confidence in their competence. But I agree on the rest of us doing our part. But that doesn't help with NHS works who need PPE or doesn't help the extra people who died while the rest of Europe went into lockdown and Boris faffed about for another week or two. | |||
"This thing is here whether we like it or not and this is not the time to point fingers and impose sanctions against China. What good are the sanctions going to do,it will just affect the poor people as it does with most countries that get sanctioned. People need to keep themselves safe, follow the guidelines and stop this bull shut of wanting to scrutinise the government as if they're responsible for this outbreak. Look after your damn self and stay safe its not the government's job to keep you safe. I agree that pointing the finger at China is stupid and sanctions don't work. Why would you not want the government policy scrutinised at this time? Surely now its more important than ever to hold them to the highest possible standard in decision making. 1,000s of people are dying every day. This notion that we should just stand back and let the government do whatever they want, completely unchecked is rediculous. What is it that you'd have the government do? I think they're doing the best they can,this was not going to be preventable as it's a virus with symptoms that can go unnoticed. No one was prepared for this. We as a nation need to play our part too and not just look to the government. I'm a front line worker and we see how people are not followed guidelines and just want to be out and about just because they can and know that there's nothing that can be done to stop them . We all need to take responsibility and look after ourselves Well I disagree that the government are doing the best they can. And have little to no confidence in their competence. But I agree on the rest of us doing our part. But that doesn't help with NHS works who need PPE or doesn't help the extra people who died while the rest of Europe went into lockdown and Boris faffed about for another week or two." What would you have the government do right now? Besides trying to keep up with the demand of PPE | |||
"This thing is here whether we like it or not and this is not the time to point fingers and impose sanctions against China. What good are the sanctions going to do,it will just affect the poor people as it does with most countries that get sanctioned. People need to keep themselves safe, follow the guidelines and stop this bull shut of wanting to scrutinise the government as if they're responsible for this outbreak. Look after your damn self and stay safe its not the government's job to keep you safe. I agree that pointing the finger at China is stupid and sanctions don't work. Why would you not want the government policy scrutinised at this time? Surely now its more important than ever to hold them to the highest possible standard in decision making. 1,000s of people are dying every day. This notion that we should just stand back and let the government do whatever they want, completely unchecked is rediculous. What is it that you'd have the government do? I think they're doing the best they can,this was not going to be preventable as it's a virus with symptoms that can go unnoticed. No one was prepared for this. We as a nation need to play our part too and not just look to the government. I'm a front line worker and we see how people are not followed guidelines and just want to be out and about just because they can and know that there's nothing that can be done to stop them . We all need to take responsibility and look after ourselves Well I disagree that the government are doing the best they can. And have little to no confidence in their competence. But I agree on the rest of us doing our part. But that doesn't help with NHS works who need PPE or doesn't help the extra people who died while the rest of Europe went into lockdown and Boris faffed about for another week or two. What would you have the government do right now? Besides trying to keep up with the demand of PPE" You mean how do you suggest we unfuck their mistakes. They can start by actually buying test kits that work. And get OUR money back for ones they bought that didn't work And start testing key workers on a large scale They could start manufacturing respirators thet have roped UK firms to design but yet not built a single one for commercial use. They could answer why they key workers have insufficient ppe. When someone with even the most basic understanding of the global supply chains knows it takes 6 weeks for a shipping container to get to the uk from the far east. Coming on TV for 60 minutes to calm a nation down flanked by experts who they are now listening to after the fact. Telling us the same thing over and over is definitely not what anyone needs | |||
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" Members of my family and friends do genuinely believe they had this virus in Dec 2019 Jan of this year displaying very similar or exact symptoms as Covid 19, does anyone else think they may of had this virus earlier before the UK first reported. They may well believe that they had CV19 in December however with all the the people stating that they have had it it would have shown up in cases entering into hospital with the complication that are showing now. It cannot be rumberling around in the community for 3 months with its infection rate and not show up in the death rated until late February and the first recorded death was of a Chinese tourist if I remember correctly. " I had that nasty cold all of December and first week of January. I also had the flu shot last year. It could have been a nasty strain of flu, a nasty cold, or it could have been covid19. After all if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and shits like a duck, it is very possibly a duck. The timeline is not impossible. Given we don’t know yet how many extra deaths are occurring above normal, how many death certificates had flu/pneumonia put on them? If you don’t know there’s something new and aren’t testing for it, then it’s very easy to miss something. As it happens Health professionals were aware of something nasty at the back end of last year and in the main attributed it to the flu. With covid mainly killing people with underlying conditions, many death certificates would be signed off quickly no need for investigation. Even now the figures only show how many people died and tested positive for covid19, not how many people it is responsible for killing. To soon to be making any definitive statements. | |||
"This thing is here whether we like it or not and this is not the time to point fingers and impose sanctions against China. What good are the sanctions going to do,it will just affect the poor people as it does with most countries that get sanctioned. People need to keep themselves safe, follow the guidelines and stop this bull shut of wanting to scrutinise the government as if they're responsible for this outbreak. Look after your damn self and stay safe its not the government's job to keep you safe." We must hold our government to account at all times, especially when their actions have huge implications for how many of us may live or die. You're right that overall it's a time to pull together and pointing fingers at China helps nothing. I would like to know what the government's plan is. Criticism of them for former action is only useful if it were to stop them repeating a mistake. Not knowing their exact plan makes it tougher to ensure they aren't likely to make more errors of judgement. Earlier failures were lack of planning and supplies ordering from January, then consequent failures to test, which is ongoing with improvements. The big questions are about the next steps. | |||
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"As I’ve already stated elsewhere; all calculations were made based on erroneous information from China. Any calculation will be wrong if your source figures are wrong. I don’t trust my government let alone one that censors it’s people so tightly they can’t read about tianenmen square massacre. The WHO has been actively complicit in this; bot conspiracy paranoia, look how they treat Taiwan. Lump it’s very good data in with China’s do not to offend Chinese sensitivities. Sideline and ignore this country that has done far better at handling the pandemic, all to kowtow to China. The Chinese government has made this slot worse for the world and I wouldn’t be surprised at any satisfaction they are gaining for wrecking the US economy in revenge. They will also be the big winners when the world economy needs repairing. " Someone gets it | |||
"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it."You're clearly not a virologist | |||
All blame goes to bat's, animals, foreigners and China but here's a thought. Every single year majority of the countries administered flu vaccines between September and January. Flus happen between these times, some severe to include death and some mild.
The viruses are flu like symptoms that lead to people getting mild symptoms, becoming extremely unwell or die.
Who does it attack the elderly, those who are immune compromised,vulnerable, like asthmatics, copd those with low immunity, those undergone surgeries, unhealthy etc..
All those who are strongly advised to get the flu vaccines each year.
They say people who have no medical background have died but did they confirm whether or not they had flu vaccines between September and January . Whether or not they suffered allergies, where they in tip top shape etc.??
Half of the world's population are not healthy that is a fact , due to eating junk food, being overweight, underweight etc.... So to say that those who have died have been healthy, i think they are not telling us the truth.
Its the only thing that links up with the dates of virus outbreaks .
Facts are viruses mutate every year and each year it takes 6 to 12 months to get a vaccine for the flu that when admisitered is already months out of date. So each year people are getting flu vaccines for a weaker strain and not protected for the mutated strain. The weakest are getting extremely unwell even die because the body duplicates our natural antibodies to fight virus then to have vaccines admisitered the body is now duplicating again becoming confused due to overloaded and attacking its own cells instead of the virus . For 2 week after the vaccines is admisitered you are not protected as this is the time it takes before antibodies work to fight off the virus, this is the time where you will get sick either mild, severe or die depending on your health . 2 WEEKS is the duration.
If you search each virus outbreak in past decade it's scarey how close in date they are each year and no one is connecting the dots.
Population control by vaccines to take out the weakest those who cost the goverment more money, elderly in care homes, sick costing of medication, operations, special needs, immune compromised etc.. Etc.. .
Those who work as key workers are at high risk but they are expecting most to be healthy enough to not get symptoms but majority of drs, nurses and care workers will have had vaccines in order to work with vulnerable patients.
More and more people across the globe are refusing flu vaccines due to them becoming very ill after receiving it and some are researching becoming more aware of how it effects the body and its own body's immunity, so many refusals to get vaccines, So Goverments world wide, especially China has no way to control the population if people are refusing the vaccines with virus in it. School are even giving nasal flu sprays to kids at school, our wee germ spreaders who come into contact with so many people at school and out of school, grandparents, babies, other kids, shop keepers etc. Etc. . Prob reason why they kept schools open to the last minute to spread.
And now this corvid 19 vaccine when ready Will be administered to all.???? Even if your healthy and never got sick, we will be forced to have it regardless, we will have no rights to decide.
It can't all be a coincidence.
Anyway just my thoughts on it all, I don't believe they can continue using the same bat excuse for serious virus outbreaks. It's getting old now.
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"I for one think China should be made accountable for this World Pandemic, and maybe sanctions should made against them. Also Governments around the world who did not act quickly enough in the own countries, who did not have the countries best interest taken into consideration I do genuinely think the UK government should of implemented the lock down at least a week and probably 2 weeks earlier and that is not in hindsight, far to many people have died and suffered you only need to look at the likes of Germany. " Well,let's come out of quarantine first.Sanctioning humanity,killing humanity and keeping humanity in quarantine is not nice anyway | |||
" Members of my family and friends do genuinely believe they had this virus in Dec 2019 Jan of this year displaying very similar or exact symptoms as Covid 19, does anyone else think they may of had this virus earlier before the UK first reported. They may well believe that they had CV19 in December however with all the the people stating that they have had it it would have shown up in cases entering into hospital with the complication that are showing now. It cannot be rumberling around in the community for 3 months with its infection rate and not show up in the death rated until late February and the first recorded death was of a Chinese tourist if I remember correctly. " How would it have shown up? Hospitals weren't testing for the virus then because the Chinese were trying to keep it a secret. | |||
"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths?" haha oooo stop blaming the chinese and then in the nxt breath the tories need to be held to account lol well perhaps if the chinese goverment had been a bit more honest about the situation to start with countrys may have been better prepared eh.listen mate as much as u hate them not everything is the torys fault.just imagine if we had a labour gov under dear jezza the would still be balloting members on how to proceed | |||
"Who is accountable, here's my take on it, it's just something I'm looking into, so Let's think, every year, roughly the same time we have an outbreak of flus and each year its worse than the years previous
All blame goes to bat's, animals, foreigners and China but here's a thought. Every single year majority of the countries administered flu vaccines between September and January. Flus happen between these times, some severe to include death and some mild.
The viruses are flu like symptoms that lead to people getting mild symptoms, becoming extremely unwell or die.
Who does it attack the elderly, those who are immune compromised,vulnerable, like asthmatics, copd those with low immunity, those undergone surgeries, unhealthy etc..
All those who are strongly advised to get the flu vaccines each year.
They say people who have no medical background have died but did they confirm whether or not they had flu vaccines between September and January . Whether or not they suffered allergies, where they in tip top shape etc.??
Half of the world's population are not healthy that is a fact , due to eating junk food, being overweight, underweight etc.... So to say that those who have died have been healthy, i think they are not telling us the truth.
Its the only thing that links up with the dates of virus outbreaks .
Facts are viruses mutate every year and each year it takes 6 to 12 months to get a vaccine for the flu that when admisitered is already months out of date. So each year people are getting flu vaccines for a weaker strain and not protected for the mutated strain. The weakest are getting extremely unwell even die because the body duplicates our natural antibodies to fight virus then to have vaccines admisitered the body is now duplicating again becoming confused due to overloaded and attacking its own cells instead of the virus . For 2 week after the vaccines is admisitered you are not protected as this is the time it takes before antibodies work to fight off the virus, this is the time where you will get sick either mild, severe or die depending on your health . 2 WEEKS is the duration.
If you search each virus outbreak in past decade it's scarey how close in date they are each year and no one is connecting the dots.
Population control by vaccines to take out the weakest those who cost the goverment more money, elderly in care homes, sick costing of medication, operations, special needs, immune compromised etc.. Etc.. .
Those who work as key workers are at high risk but they are expecting most to be healthy enough to not get symptoms but majority of drs, nurses and care workers will have had vaccines in order to work with vulnerable patients.
More and more people across the globe are refusing flu vaccines due to them becoming very ill after receiving it and some are researching becoming more aware of how it effects the body and its own body's immunity, so many refusals to get vaccines, So Goverments world wide, especially China has no way to control the population if people are refusing the vaccines with virus in it. School are even giving nasal flu sprays to kids at school, our wee germ spreaders who come into contact with so many people at school and out of school, grandparents, babies, other kids, shop keepers etc. Etc. . Prob reason why they kept schools open to the last minute to spread.
And now this corvid 19 vaccine when ready Will be administered to all.???? Even if your healthy and never got sick, we will be forced to have it regardless, we will have no rights to decide.
It can't all be a coincidence.
Anyway just my thoughts on it all, I don't believe they can continue using the same bat excuse for serious virus outbreaks. It's getting old now.
how will we all be forced to take a vaccine???u dont want it you dont get it.simple really.personaly if i was gona have vaccine i wouoldnt get it until a good few months had passed after the majority have had it .just to se what side effects thhere could be to it
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" Members of my family and friends do genuinely believe they had this virus in Dec 2019 Jan of this year displaying very similar or exact symptoms as Covid 19, does anyone else think they may of had this virus earlier before the UK first reported. They may well believe that they had CV19 in December however with all the the people stating that they have had it it would have shown up in cases entering into hospital with the complication that are showing now. It cannot be rumberling around in the community for 3 months with its infection rate and not show up in the death rated until late February and the first recorded death was of a Chinese tourist if I remember correctly. How would it have shown up? Hospitals weren't testing for the virus then because the Chinese were trying to keep it a secret." There's an overall death rate chart that I've seen which spikes over the last few weeks, if covid19 was rampant in the UK in December Jan, that spike would have started earlier. It also shows a comparison to last year, deaths rate was normal in the months leading to the lockdown and death spike. | |||
At least the Tories are trying to make 80% of what they were before COVID-19.
Regardless of what you think about that, the Tories are in power because Labour bankrupted the country. If the virus had occurred back then, the help would have been zero!
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"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it.
Do you have any evidence and scientific proof of this or are you just spouting what you believe and trying to pass it off as fact? "Just google Dr Shi Zhengli. What she was working on is there for all to see. From multiple sources. While a brilliant virologist she is also well know for being (at best) haphazard with safety and security. So a virologist with a dodgy safety record is working on bat viruses around the corner from where a bat derived virus originated. The China apologists are very strong on this thread. | |||
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"There was a Pig , A bat and a pangolin...... Uhmmmmmm .... I can't blame the bat cos it's asymptomiatic. I can't blame the pangolin cos well he didn't ask to be infected. The pig .....welllllll...... not this time around.... Okay ..... I got it. Evolution did it ..... Evolution ..... the harvesting of species via the mutation of another has been here as long as the planet. No matter what trump says...... this is not a chinese disease. Of course it's a bloody Chinese disease. The virology lab in Wutan has been experimenting with SARS and Corona viruses from bats for nearly a decade. They've even published papers on it. Then suddenly this one appears in Wutan and we are all expected to believe that it just happened and came from a fish market.
Then there is the cover up. The Chinese knew about this in late December and said nothing. When news finally broke they used their stooges in the WHO to play it down for as long as possible. They mislead other world leaders which is the main reason why most of the world got caught on the hop. FFS they even criticised Trump when he declared the ban on travel from China saying it was unnecessary and an over reaction. Now every one is defending the WHO and blaming Trump for reacting late.
Don't get me wrong. On this Trump has mostly behaved like a prick, but on that he was spot on.
Incidentally the Chinese are never ones to miss an opportunity even during this.
The only two US aircraft carriers in the region are both out of action because of the virus. So what do the Chinese do? Send their only carrier group for "exercises" off Taiwan. BASTARDS.
I love the Chinese people but their government are a total shower of shit. They are in this up to their eyeballs and they must be called to account when we finally get over this.
We're Amazon late delivering your tin foil hat.
The science tells us this virus evolved. It's RNA has been studied and there is enough evidence to show where it came from.
Read up and understand the science. This will help to cure your misunderstandings.
I think you will find that this virus certainly DID NOT evolve.
Dr Shi Zhengli has been experimenting with Corona viruses from bats for over a decade at the Wuhan institute of virology. She has published four papers on the subject including its relationship with the SARS virus.
The proteins that surround this virus are a 100% match to the proteins found in SARS. Without that Covid 19 would not infect humans. A 100% match has never been known to mutate naturally. It has only ever been achieved in a Lab.
So go and prattle on about tin foil hats as much as you like.
The Chinese developed this, they let it escape (to be fair probably accidentally) they mislead and lied to the world about it, and now they are taking advantage of it.
Do you have any evidence and scientific proof of this or are you just spouting what you believe and trying to pass it off as fact?
Just google Dr Shi Zhengli.
What she was working on is there for all to see. From multiple sources.
While a brilliant virologist she is also well know for being (at best) haphazard with safety and security.
So a virologist with a dodgy safety record is working on bat viruses around the corner from where a bat derived virus originated.
The China apologists are very strong on this thread."China apologists must be strong in the scientific community too, given that every single scientist in the world says that this virus is not man-made. | |||
" Members of my family and friends do genuinely believe they had this virus in Dec 2019 Jan of this year displaying very similar or exact symptoms as Covid 19, does anyone else think they may of had this virus earlier before the UK first reported. They may well believe that they had CV19 in December however with all the the people stating that they have had it it would have shown up in cases entering into hospital with the complication that are showing now. It cannot be rumberling around in the community for 3 months with its infection rate and not show up in the death rated until late February and the first recorded death was of a Chinese tourist if I remember correctly. How would it have shown up? Hospitals weren't testing for the virus then because the Chinese were trying to keep it a secret. There's an overall death rate chart that I've seen which spikes over the last few weeks, if covid19 was rampant in the UK in December Jan, that spike would have started earlier. It also shows a comparison to last year, deaths rate was normal in the months leading to the lockdown and death spike. " | |||
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"I personally think any questioning of any mistakes they may have made over here should be left to after it is all over, they can't change how they have done things now, so lets just get through it now and question it after. Imagine if Corbyn was prime minister. Here here, no need for all this. How many people need to die per day before we're allowed to question the government policies on this. We're at 1000 people dying a day, and that's not enough. So, 2000 daily deaths, 10,000 daily deaths? Take a look at how wartime government worked, bashing each other right now doesn't help, making people answer the same question 1000000x doesnt make ppe magically appear or testing happen, they arent deliberately holding off on it, they messed up and are trying to fix it. Make no mistake, im no tory, cant stand Boris usually, and think the entire thing has been totally mishandled at every level to epic proportions, this is a bad situation and a reckoning will come, but not now. I believe that now more than ever the government need to be scrutinised at every turn, for every decision they're making. Literally thousands of lives are at stake. And let's not kid ourselves that Boris or anyone will face even the softest of investigation after this is done. " | |||
