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By *ak777 OP Man over a year ago

shaw

it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19 "

You sound surprised?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And so she should

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He does have a more important job. So need to get back to work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He does have a more important job. So need to get back to work. "

What's her job?

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By *ak777 OP Man over a year ago

shaw

my daughter is a frontline worker and not been tested

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"my daughter is a frontline worker and not been tested"

Michaels goves daughter takes priority I'm afraid.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

Does she live with him? If so then I think it's acceptable if not then no

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Her job is of no relevance.He was self isolating as his daughter was showing symptoms. Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work.

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By *atcoupleCouple over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19 "

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else."

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Her job is of no relevance.He was self isolating as his daughter was showing symptoms. Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work."

I knew he was self isolating because of a family member. Didn't see a report that said was his daughter. Thanks for clearing that up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He’s part of the team that runs the country. And runs it fantastically well. Good bless him. May he continue as he has been for many a year to come.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guess I need to Google who Michael Goves is then..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being Gove's daughter is already a disgrace, shouldn't we be a little compassionate?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Guess I need to Google who Michael Goves is then.."

Just Google incompetence..he will be near the top

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

" Her job is of no relevance.He was self isolating as his daughter was showing symptoms. Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work."

Good news.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Being Gove's daughter is already a disgrace, shouldn't we be a little compassionate?

And her mum is a Daily Mail columnist. Six of One, half a dozen......

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"He’s part of the team that runs the country. And runs it fantastically well. Good bless him. May he continue as he has been for many a year to come. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Being Gove's daughter is already a disgrace, shouldn't we be a little compassionate?

What an odd thing to say - hope my daughter doesn't feel it's a 'disgrace' with me being her father

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By *atcoupleCouple over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?"

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Being Gove's daughter is already a disgrace, shouldn't we be a little compassionate?

What an odd thing to say - hope my daughter doesn't feel it's a 'disgrace' with me being her father

Yeah a very nasty comment.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!"

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

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By *atcoupleCouple over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"He’s part of the team that runs the country. And runs it fantastically well. Good bless him. May he continue as he has been for many a year to come. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked"

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

Shes been tested so a working member of our current crisis team of government can go back to work... makes perfect sense.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Shes been tested so a working member of our current crisis team of government can go back to work... makes perfect sense. "

Agreed

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?"

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?"

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important."

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The government needs to stay strong. We can’t have it falling apart like cheap furniture. He needs to get back to work. Lives depend on people like him as well as doctors

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?"

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

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By *atsitallabout69Man over a year ago

Liverpool

why can he not work from home technology the way it is governments in other countrys do video meetings ect

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"The government needs to stay strong. We can’t have it falling apart like cheap furniture. He needs to get back to work. Lives depend on people like him as well as doctors "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested."

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"why can he not work from home technology the way it is governments in other countrys do video meetings ect"

Because secret documents aren’t safe to send over unsecured networks.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"why can he not work from home technology the way it is governments in other countrys do video meetings ect"

I think he was self isolating?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested."
No one is arguing with you mate you dont have to keep repeating yourself.Getting an important member of the cabinet back is important to whats hard to understand about that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"why can he not work from home technology the way it is governments in other countrys do video meetings ect

Because secret documents aren’t safe to send over unsecured networks. "

Yeah because we are using Chinese technology for our network infrastructure. Whose great idea was that?

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"why can he not work from home technology the way it is governments in other countrys do video meetings ect

Because secret documents aren’t safe to send over unsecured networks. "

I've used vc's regularly for work and meetings and they really are crap.

Did you see today's briefing? The q&a session was abysmal

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?"

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about."

There are a number of MP'S from different parties that have been tested. Some of which have been tested whilst at home.

You can not just point the finger at one party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?"

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about."

Sorry to jump in but isn't it a matter of volume testing? 1.3 million NHS workers and i think only 150K tests have been carried out so far. I'd also love to know how many of those are repetitive tests on the same people

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

Its possible the test was done privately. I did read somewhere of a doctor in london that was reselling a laboratory test.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Of course not. People with VIP status and their families should get preference while NHS personnel infect people rather than treat them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Much like some other topics if you want to criticise the government, pick your battles because this really isnt one that can be won.

Testing her means that a member of the cabinet can return to work without continuing to isolate for upto 14 days, there is an undeniable logic to that decision.

On it's own merits, the decision to test Gove's daughter is perfectly justifiable and yes there should be enough kits to test frontline staff but equally this test doesnt significantly alter that lack of testing.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

I thought we were doing about 18 k tests a day now?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about."

No, no. You’re avoiding my question. I agree that more testing should be done on NHS staff.

So. I’ll ask again. Would you rather that a member of the cabinet was unable to work?

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

I thought we were doing about 18 k tests a day now?"

But that would still take 70 days to test all and in theory people would need testing at least every week

They really need to get up to the 100k per day target, which seems a long way off

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By *atsitallabout69Man over a year ago

Liverpool

im sure there network at home is as secure as being in work they still get the same protection in all areas wether in work or not

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"Much like some other topics if you want to criticise the government, pick your battles because this really isnt one that can be won.

Testing her means that a member of the cabinet can return to work without continuing to isolate for upto 14 days, there is an undeniable logic to that decision.

Nailed it.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

it sound like they are saying they were given "special permission" to get his daughter tested....

in which case.... then i think the public has a right to be angry that she jumped the queue to be tested before NHS workers for example.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap....."

Do you mean Lenin over there?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern"

This comment seems backed by a lot of prejudice and no evidence.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

Right taking politics to one side maybe someone can give the correct answer.

Apart from people being admitted to hospital then tested to establish if they had a virus, I thought the testing was then NHS workers and key worker who are self isolating to see if they were fit to return to work?

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"it sound like they are saying they were given "special permission" to get his daughter tested....

in which case.... then i think the public has a right to be angry that she jumped the queue to be tested before NHS workers for example.....

Her father was self isolating as she daughter was showing symptoms.

Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work.

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern

This comment seems backed by a lot of prejudice and no evidence."

Just green arrow him and have a read.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it sound like they are saying they were given "special permission" to get his daughter tested....

in which case.... then i think the public has a right to be angry that she jumped the queue to be tested before NHS workers for example.....

Her father was self isolating as she daughter was showing symptoms.

Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work."

Does he do work that he can't do from home?

What's the forum title again?

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult."

Please name one country that has tested 100% of its population.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Bloody hell, some people will use anything to have a political dig.

An important member of our government was able to come back to work after 1 test was used. 1 test! They didn't test everyone he's ever met, just his daughter, some of you need to get a grip.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think people can buy tests on private health .. if so they should say it's private

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap....."

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"it sound like they are saying they were given "special permission" to get his daughter tested....

in which case.... then i think the public has a right to be angry that she jumped the queue to be tested before NHS workers for example.....

Her father was self isolating as she daughter was showing symptoms.

Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work.

Does he do work that he can't do from home?

What's the forum title again?"

I'm guessing there are some jobs that just can't be done from home.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult.

Please name one country that has tested 100% of its population.

You don't need to test 100% of your population if everyone is under genuine quarantine.

Germany was doing 500 000 tests a day with pressure to do more while we were barely able to do 8000 per week. That's a huge difference given both authorities had the same time to prepare.

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

If frontline workers are showing symptoms yes they should be tested but for all NHS workers to be tested is a little pointless as they could be clear today but infected tomorrow, how often do you test workers who are known to be in contact with infected patients. What has not been mentioned is that Goves daughter might have a medical condition that would mean she is at risk but we don't know this and there seems to be far to many fingers being pointed without knowing the real facts, seems to be the trend on most forum posts at the moment.

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant"

Question for you.

You're political hue, which colour?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Much like some other topics if you want to criticise the government, pick your battles because this really isnt one that can be won.

Testing her means that a member of the cabinet can return to work without continuing to isolate for upto 14 days, there is an undeniable logic to that decision.

Yep suppose it's a bit like the 100k story.

Thats not to say if I were the family of a dr or a nurse who had died through lack of ppe I'd be feeling slightly annoyed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult.

Please name one country that has tested 100% of its population.

Reductio ad absurdum.

Italy does 300000 tests per week, Germany does 500000 tests per week. How many tests did UK in the last 7 days?

We don't even have a working a antibody test!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant

Question for you.

You're political hue, which colour?"

Why does it matter?

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult.

Please name one country that has tested 100% of its population.

You don't need to test 100% of your population if everyone is under genuine quarantine.

Germany was doing 500 000 tests a day with pressure to do more while we were barely able to do 8000 per week. That's a huge difference given both authorities had the same time to prepare. "

I know that. Our man said "The point is that everyone should be tested".

I'm merely curious as to which country's have tested all of their population.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

No, no. You’re avoiding my question. I agree that more testing should be done on NHS staff.

So. I’ll ask again. Would you rather that a member of the cabinet was unable to work?"

Hmmmm. You accused me of avoiding your question....

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

We don't even have a working a antibody test!"

In fairness I don't think anyone does

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

A lot of NHS staff havent been tested..no not fine actually.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"it sound like they are saying they were given "special permission" to get his daughter tested....

in which case.... then i think the public has a right to be angry that she jumped the queue to be tested before NHS workers for example.....

Her father was self isolating as she daughter was showing symptoms.

Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work."

under nhs 111 guidence, "showing symptoms" isn't enough.... now is she wasn't well enough that she had to go to hospital then she would get the test.... other than that they are not testing anyone and presuming if the symptoms stay with you for more than 7 days then you have it

so again... "special permission" isn't going thru the normal procedures... thats queue jumping!

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult.

Please name one country that has tested 100% of its population.

Reductio ad absurdum.

Italy does 300000 tests per week, Germany does 500000 tests per week. How many tests did UK in the last 7 days?

We don't even have a working a antibody test!"

Italy and Germany haven't tested their entire population either then.

Shocking. Truly shocking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My political hue is I like human beings to live a full life. Anyone who intentionally or unintentionally works against that aim will receive my wrath regardless of colour, creed, political affiliation or sexual orientation.

It's got nothing to do with politics.

Hanging a label on something in order to devalate it IS practicing politics.

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant

Question for you.

You're political hue, which colour?

Why does it matter?"

I feel it's relevant to the tone and hyperbole of your posts.

But no, it's doesn't matter.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

No, no. You’re avoiding my question. I agree that more testing should be done on NHS staff.

So. I’ll ask again. Would you rather that a member of the cabinet was unable to work?

Hmmmm. You accused me of avoiding your question...."

I was getting to you.

Personally I think doctors and nurses should be the uttermost priority and I appreciate there is a lot more of them to be tested.

However as the other posted pointed out we are on a loser here..so yes I appreciate a member of a gmnt has to be tested.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"a lot of this is agenda driven.

so a lot of nhs staff haven't been tested, fine.

a lot of bus drivers haven't either and many of them have died, who is beating the drum for them?

this is the way it is. deal with it.

if you haven't got symptoms a test is wasted on you.

over 3000 firefighters are currently off and unable to work are all firefighters up and down the country going to be tested?

no? oh wait yes. but only if your home is on fire.

give it a rest.

The point is that everyone should be tested. Testing asymptomatic people is even more important.

The problem is that this country is failing doing what, in other countries, is not that difficult.

Please name one country that has tested 100% of its population.

Reductio ad absurdum.

Italy does 300000 tests per week, Germany does 500000 tests per week. How many tests did UK in the last 7 days?

We don't even have a working a antibody test!

Italy and Germany haven't tested their entire population either then.

Shocking. Truly shocking."

Ergo. UK infinitely MORE shocking.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant

Question for you.

You're political hue, which colour?

Why does it matter?

I feel it's relevant to the tone and hyperbole of your posts.

But no, it's doesn't matter.

I didnt bring up the completely irrelevant..oh labour wouldnt do any better argument.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

No, no. You’re avoiding my question. I agree that more testing should be done on NHS staff.

So. I’ll ask again. Would you rather that a member of the cabinet was unable to work?

Hmmmm. You accused me of avoiding your question....

I was getting to you.

Personally I think doctors and nurses should be the uttermost priority and I appreciate there is a lot more of them to be tested.

However as the other posted pointed out we are on a loser here..so yes I appreciate a member of a gmnt has to be tested."

Thank you. Probably the first and last time I’ll win an argument with you so I’ll savour it!

No hard feelings.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it sound like they are saying they were given "special permission" to get his daughter tested....

in which case.... then i think the public has a right to be angry that she jumped the queue to be tested before NHS workers for example.....

Her father was self isolating as she daughter was showing symptoms.

Now she has been tested and given the all clear he can go back to work.

so again... "special permission" isn't going thru the normal procedures... thats queue jumping! "

So..should she have been tested?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So? Does that make her exempt from being tested? She was tested for good reason, check your facts!

Last time I checked people who were saving our lives had not been checked

So are you saying she shouldn’t have been tested?

I'm saying nurses and drs should have been at the front of the queue.

So a member of the cabinet isn’t an important part of the whole fight against the virus?

I'm saying drs and nurses who actually save people's lives are important.

I’m not saying they’re not. Is the a member of the cabinet not important?

I'm saying drs and nurses are important..drs and nurses..who .what..3 months into this situation have still not been tested.

But they don’t work in isolation. They need support and that includes people in government.

So would you rather a cabinet member was unable to work?

You are avoiding my question.I appreciate the gmnt needs to be checked but the fact that 1000s of nhs staff are still waiting is shocking.

I think that's the part of the story that people are annoyed about.

No, no. You’re avoiding my question. I agree that more testing should be done on NHS staff.

So. I’ll ask again. Would you rather that a member of the cabinet was unable to work?

Hmmmm. You accused me of avoiding your question....

I was getting to you.

Personally I think doctors and nurses should be the uttermost priority and I appreciate there is a lot more of them to be tested.

However as the other posted pointed out we are on a loser here..so yes I appreciate a member of a gmnt has to be tested.

Thank you. Probably the first and last time I’ll win an argument with you so I’ll savour it!

No hard feelings.

You better get that framed

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant

Question for you.

You're political hue, which colour?

Why does it matter?

I feel it's relevant to the tone and hyperbole of your posts.

But no, it's doesn't matter.

I didnt bring up the completely irrelevant..oh labour wouldnt do any better argument.

I'm not suggesting Labour wouldn't do any better.

I seriously doubt any party would have handled this differently.

So, back to my question, which colour....?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle is calling on the government to allow a "virtual Parliament" so that MPs can take part in debates from home when the Commons returns to work, still expected later this month.

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different. "

Cabinet even

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different. "

If we have no secure way of communicating with each other than face to face then that is yet another failing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park."

House of commons only ever seems to have a handful of people there most of the time. I'm sure a zoom meeting can handle that.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it,s been reported that Michael Goves daughter as been tested for covid 19

So, what's the problem? She's just as entitled to be tested as anyone else.

You realise a lot of NHS staff have still not been tested?

So no one else can be tested until the entire NHS has been tested first otherwise people will get their knickers in a twist

Apparently so.....

Of course if the Labour party were in power our man here would have nothing to moan about.

So many of his posts appear determined by political hue, as opposed to real concern.

As I'm often saying, trying to score cheap political points during an international crisis is, well, cheap.....

As the labour party arent in power your post is irrelevant

Question for you.

You're political hue, which colour?

Why does it matter?

I feel it's relevant to the tone and hyperbole of your posts.

But no, it's doesn't matter.

I didnt bring up the completely irrelevant..oh labour wouldnt do any better argument.

I'm not suggesting Labour wouldn't do any better.

I seriously doubt any party would have handled this differently.

So, back to my question, which colour....?"

Some things are best left to the imagination

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different.

If we have no secure way of communicating with each other than face to face then that is yet another failing. "

There are secure, end to end encrypted, means of communicating, in plenty of institutions. It’s just unfortunate that most people don’t have these options in their homes.

Incidentally, whose failing is it? The ruling party? The security services? The telecoms networks?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park.

House of commons only ever seems to have a handful of people there most of the time. I'm sure a zoom meeting can handle that."

If politicians need to talk face to face because the internet isn't safe enough. Then its the same for corporations to be discussing the trade secrets over the internet.

What's the thread title again?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

House of commons only ever seems to have a handful of people there most of the time. I'm sure a zoom meeting can handle that."

house of commons for the 10 days before recess had been holding all select committee hearings via video link anyway...

also... both scottish parliament and welsh assembly have been holding debates and FMQ's via video link..... so its not something that can't be done!

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park."

It's an interesting idea but how would you be able to see all 650 MP's on your desk to PC?

To ask a question the MP stands up and the speaker they choses who asks the next question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think people are mixing up the HC debates with stuff which is more secretive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different.

If we have no secure way of communicating with each other than face to face then that is yet another failing.

There are secure, end to end encrypted, means of communicating, in plenty of institutions. It’s just unfortunate that most people don’t have these options in their homes.

Incidentally, whose failing is it? The ruling party? The security services? The telecoms networks? "

I don't think in those terms. If there's a problem then it meeds to be fixed. Assigning blame never fixed anything.

If parliamentarians don't have secure internet then who needs to fix that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park.

It's an interesting idea but how would you be able to see all 650 MP's on your desk to PC?

To ask a question the MP stands up and the speaker they choses who asks the next question.

You can click the “raise your hand” button in zoom, which alerts the meeting organiser you have a question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different.

If we have no secure way of communicating with each other than face to face then that is yet another failing.

There are secure, end to end encrypted, means of communicating, in plenty of institutions. It’s just unfortunate that most people don’t have these options in their homes.

Incidentally, whose failing is it? The ruling party? The security services? The telecoms networks?

I don't think in those terms. If there's a problem then it meeds to be fixed. Assigning blame never fixed anything.

If parliamentarians don't have secure internet then who needs to fix that?"

Oh it’s just that you said “it’s a failing”, I assumed you meant of someone/a group in particular.

To have a fully secure means of discussing stuff which may be classed as classified, I would think they need dedicated lines, rather than the internet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park.

It's an interesting idea but how would you be able to see all 650 MP's on your desk to PC?

To ask a question the MP stands up and the speaker they choses who asks the next question.

Whether virtual parliament will be effective isn't the issue.

It's a question of whether it's absolutely necessary for them to leave their homes.

All the arguments opposed have been pretty feeble considering our NHS personnel lives are at stake.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He’s part of the team that runs the country. And runs it fantastically well. Good bless him. May he continue as he has been for many a year to come. "

Must be drinking a lot at home!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52128502

This post does two things. It take the argument that politicians can't work from home and that the internet is too unsecured for the same...... and kicks them both out the park.

It's an interesting idea but how would you be able to see all 650 MP's on your desk to PC?

To ask a question the MP stands up and the speaker they choses who asks the next question.

You can click the “raise your hand” button in zoom, which alerts the meeting organiser you have a question. "

You could automate functions with buttons for.

- mumble mumble

- here here

- phillibust for 5, 10, 20 minutes

- cheer when NHS pay rise bills are defeated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates are often televised anyway, Cabinate meetings are different.

If we have no secure way of communicating with each other than face to face then that is yet another failing.

There are secure, end to end encrypted, means of communicating, in plenty of institutions. It’s just unfortunate that most people don’t have these options in their homes.

Incidentally, whose failing is it? The ruling party? The security services? The telecoms networks?

I don't think in those terms. If there's a problem then it meeds to be fixed. Assigning blame never fixed anything.

If parliamentarians don't have secure internet then who needs to fix that?

Oh it’s just that you said “it’s a failing”, I assumed you meant of someone/a group in particular.

To have a fully secure means of discussing stuff which may be classed as classified, I would think they need dedicated lines, rather than the internet. "

Something that should already be in place.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I have zero issues with her being tested

I only have one question

IF ,IF

she had stuck exactly to government guidelines how could she catch it ?

And if the response is government guidelines will not prevent catch or spread then ?