FabSwingers.com > Forums > Virus > Do you think there is more to this ?
Do you think there is more to this ?
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
No, I do think they lied copiously about the impact of the disease on their population, but I dont believe it's some dastardly scheme for world domination.
Shit happens sometimes, it's not as though nature doesn't have a history of producing new diseases sporadically |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Nope.
And if you think it’s a virus from a lab there are lots of studies saying it’s natural. This is one, there are plenty more.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-new-coronavirus-was-not-genetically-engineered-study-shows#Ending-the-rumors-about-SARS-CoV-2-"
I don't believe it was engineered, however I do think that some of the figures released of infected in some countries have been unrealistic compared to population and concentrations of that population. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
They should/could have been way more transparent with the information they had. That Dr that tried to inform others about how serious it all is shouldn't have been silenced. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
If you dont think theres more to this,see how many deaths there were in Beijing and Shanghai,you,ll be very surprised,less than 20.
Notice how China and North Koreas economy is growing whilst the rest of the worlds economy is slowing right down.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If you dont think theres more to this,see how many deaths there were in Beijing and Shanghai,you,ll be very surprised,less than 20.
Notice how China and North Koreas economy is growing whilst the rest of the worlds economy is slowing right down.
"
Right ...... and uhmmmmmm who is buying their stuff ??? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? "
I dont think they are over it yet |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? "
No.
As others have said, I do think that they have underreported ths impact.
However, unless you test everyone and record every COVID-19 death, you can't have accurate figures. Some countries have more accurately reported and recorded than others. The UK isn't very accurate... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? "
What I am not buying is that the rest of the world is hit hard. Those countries who have followed the WHO advice are managing admirably. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
I think if China had been honest from the start rather than try and stifle their own doctors, the rest of all counties would have faired better than they have done, I do not think I will ever believe the Chinese government ever again, to put others lives against their own wealth is totally unforgivable  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
we will probably never know, but remain suspicious. I wouldn't just put the blame on China though. And as for our Governments response- pathetic. New Zealand has had 2 deaths. Sadly at this time we chose to elect a clown who only had to say three words to convince us that was all that mattered. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
If Corona Virus is a Bio weapon then it is the dumbest, stupidest weapon ever invented. Why would you destroy the markets of the countries that buy your goods. It makes no sense ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? "
No. They lied about the figures and seriousness of it initially, that's it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
Was it a random infection? Nope but its not man made, lab manufactured, intentionally or accidentally released. Its similar to ebola in that it made the jump from one species to another. We have little or immunity to it.
All that said, it was made much worse by concealing the truth. The local government in Wuhan lied to Chinese Central Government, Xi Jinping lied to the world about it.
If this wasn't bad enough, Wuhan is a major transport hub in China. Add one of the largest human migrations in the form of Chinese New Year. Honestly you couldn't script it any worse. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? "
Their people are tracked everywhere they go and get a traffic light system entry on their app. They need green light on their app to leave certain zones. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"we will probably never know, but remain suspicious. I wouldn't just put the blame on China though. And as for our Governments response- pathetic. New Zealand has had 2 deaths. Sadly at this time we chose to elect a clown who only had to say three words to convince us that was all that mattered. "
Yes but New Zealand is an island. It's far easier to do border control when your country is an island. Look at Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. Even South Korea who only have one border... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
south west , continental |
I do not believe any information that comes out of a regime like China's. Everything is state run and censored, so why should I believe a word that is officially released. I feel very sorry for the Chinese people that have to conduct their lives under such a regime. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"we will probably never know, but remain suspicious. I wouldn't just put the blame on China though. And as for our Governments response- pathetic. New Zealand has had 2 deaths. Sadly at this time we chose to elect a clown who only had to say three words to convince us that was all that mattered.
Yes but New Zealand is an island. It's far easier to do border control when your country is an island. Look at Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. Even South Korea who only have one border..."
So you’re saying that Britain’s response would have been better IF it had been an island?..... seriously? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"we will probably never know, but remain suspicious. I wouldn't just put the blame on China though. And as for our Governments response- pathetic. New Zealand has had 2 deaths. Sadly at this time we chose to elect a clown who only had to say three words to convince us that was all that mattered.
Yes but New Zealand is an island. It's far easier to do border control when your country is an island. Look at Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. Even South Korea who only have one border...
So you’re saying that Britain’s response would have been better IF it had been an island?..... seriously?"
I think you're overlooking the land border with Ireland but at the same time you bring up an very interesting point to the table. Northern Ireland was looking in 2 directions back in early march. Dublin was saying this is very serious and started to take steps to deal with CV19. London was still business as usual. The result of this was Northern Ireland acting earlier than England, Scotland and Wales. While I know population density here is way lower than the UK, taking action 2 weeks earlier seems to have reduced the impact of CV19. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"we will probably never know, but remain suspicious. I wouldn't just put the blame on China though. And as for our Governments response- pathetic. New Zealand has had 2 deaths. Sadly at this time we chose to elect a clown who only had to say three words to convince us that was all that mattered.
Yes but New Zealand is an island. It's far easier to do border control when your country is an island. Look at Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. Even South Korea who only have one border...
So you’re saying that Britain’s response would have been better IF it had been an island?..... seriously?"
Not so long ago there waa a list of places not infected by COVID-19. Most of them were islands.
Simply put if you can't get through an airport or a harbour you can't bring COVID-19 into a country. Other countries have foot traffic issues and it's generally easier to drive over borders that to fly or boat.
All this is immaterial. For some undisclosed, undiscussed, reason there has always been a shortage of testing ability. Without this any strategy was doomed to failure. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Funny how Trump imposed 10% tariffs on China in August, I think it was then.
Which forced China to stop trading with a America on agricultural. Which then had an effect on China’s economy and boosted America’s, as less imports where being purchased and directed sales to American companies.
There has been a power play between America and China for a while. What’s happens on the top table we will never know.
I don’t know what has happened, but all this started from one man eating a bat? Now WHO is saying if a country can get the infection rate to 1% or less the infection will die out? How? Surly if one man spread this worldwide, the 1% of a country’s population is a few thousand people |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
The infection rate is how many people 1 person passes the virus on to. Greater than 1 the virus is increased. Less than 1 the virus is decreasing. Which is the reason for social distancing and isolation. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
"UK figures are not good. And they don't include deaths outside of hospitals.
This, rumours are out that this country could end up with the highest death rate in Europe."
And do we know what other countries are actually counting? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"China has now begun to relax some restrictions as the rest of the wourld is hit hard.
As the originator of the virus, do you think there may have been more to it than a random infection ? "
What measures are the W.H.O. going to take against China regarding the way they dealt with the situation. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *DW1983Man
over a year ago
Aberdeen, Leeds, Sheffield |
I think to an extent though figures like "the highest number of deaths" is a bit of a blind alley, since there are too many unknowns. Chiefly, we don't have acccurate figures, neither for here nor any other country we want to compare to, because we only know how many people have been admitted to hospital with it, or tested positive for it. There could be thousands who have no symptoms, or who just stayed at home with a 'bit of a cold'.
Some countries seem to only be counting it as a cause of death if there were no other causes, some record it if the deceased had it but there were other factors which caused their death.
Different countries report the stats in different ways, which also makes it hard to compare, and no doubt some are putting more spin on them than others.
We could spend years debating whether we should have done X instead of Y, and you can guarantee that if we had done X, there would be an equal number saying we should have done Y instead. Equally, other countries are probably all saying the same, looking elsewhere and saying "they did better/differently, why didn't we?" Getting bogged down in conspiracy theories isn't going to help anything. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think to an extent though figures like "the highest number of deaths" is a bit of a blind alley, since there are too many unknowns. Chiefly, we don't have acccurate figures, neither for here nor any other country we want to compare to, because we only know how many people have been admitted to hospital with it, or tested positive for it. There could be thousands who have no symptoms, or who just stayed at home with a 'bit of a cold'.
Some countries seem to only be counting it as a cause of death if there were no other causes, some record it if the deceased had it but there were other factors which caused their death.
Different countries report the stats in different ways, which also makes it hard to compare, and no doubt some are putting more spin on them than others.
We could spend years debating whether we should have done X instead of Y, and you can guarantee that if we had done X, there would be an equal number saying we should have done Y instead. Equally, other countries are probably all saying the same, looking elsewhere and saying "they did better/differently, why didn't we?" Getting bogged down in conspiracy theories isn't going to help anything. "
Really? There which country apart from ourselves went with the herd immunity strategy?
There isn't really a debate. We have death statistics that tell the story of our performance. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *DW1983Man
over a year ago
Aberdeen, Leeds, Sheffield |
"I think to an extent though figures like "the highest number of deaths" is a bit of a blind alley, since there are too many unknowns. Chiefly, we don't have acccurate figures, neither for here nor any other country we want to compare to, because we only know how many people have been admitted to hospital with it, or tested positive for it. There could be thousands who have no symptoms, or who just stayed at home with a 'bit of a cold'.
Some countries seem to only be counting it as a cause of death if there were no other causes, some record it if the deceased had it but there were other factors which caused their death.
Different countries report the stats in different ways, which also makes it hard to compare, and no doubt some are putting more spin on them than others.
We could spend years debating whether we should have done X instead of Y, and you can guarantee that if we had done X, there would be an equal number saying we should have done Y instead. Equally, other countries are probably all saying the same, looking elsewhere and saying "they did better/differently, why didn't we?" Getting bogged down in conspiracy theories isn't going to help anything.
Really? There which country apart from ourselves went with the herd immunity strategy?
There isn't really a debate. We have death statistics that tell the story of our performance. "
But those staristics will only ever tell part of the story. We could have twice as many deaths as another country, but have five times as many infected people who just don't know they have it because they weren't tested and didn't die. Equally, we might only have half the number of unconfirmed cases. As is often the case with figures, what we don't know can be just as important as what we do. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
