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"... continue with what she said in full ? " Why? The headline makes better reading  | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding!" Yes  it’s great to see her again ... something alluring about that cheeky smile and long flowing jet black hair  | |||
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"... continue with what she said in full ? " https://metro.co.uk/video/priti-patel-sorry-people-feel-failings-ppe-2149916/?ito=vjs-link | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding!" She very quickly showed why she’s been kept in hiding “I’m sorry if you feel like that” is the biggest non-apology going Combine it with Matt Hancock suggesting that PPE has been misused by NHS staff, and also suggesting that it’s difficult to tell if people working long shifts in the NHS picked up COvID-19 at work or in their “daily lives” it shows exactly how highly they actually regard staff. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative " Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! | |||
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"I think the thing im concerned about is the ones trapped in the home getting a beating off the wanker who is frustrated by it all. they cant go to the police because they feel so threatened and its worse when kids are involved. very worrying." I think the train companies linking up with Women’s Aid to offer free travel to those needing to flee is not getting enough publicity That will be a lifeline to many at the moment | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions!" When they first started I was all for the daily briefings but they’ve turned into an embarrassment. | |||
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"I think the thing im concerned about is the ones trapped in the home getting a beating off the wanker who is frustrated by it all. they cant go to the police because they feel so threatened and its worse when kids are involved. very worrying." I agree, so it’s a shame the announcement from the Home Secretary today about domestic abuse is being drowned out by low level shit stirring . Here’s what she said about domestic violence : “And today, I can announce that we will go even further to provide support for those in danger of domestic abuse. And I am launching a new national communications campaign to reach out to those who are at risk from abuse, highlighting that they can still leave home – to get the support that they need. It will signpost to victims how they can access help and but also to reassure them that they can access support services and the police are still on hand. And, importantly, it will tell them that they are not alone.”
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https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/home-secretary-outlines-support-for-domestic-abuse-victims | |||
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"I think the thing im concerned about is the ones trapped in the home getting a beating off the wanker who is frustrated by it all. they cant go to the police because they feel so threatened and its worse when kids are involved. very worrying. I agree, so it’s a shame the announcement from the Home Secretary today about domestic abuse is being drowned out by low level shit stirring . Here’s what she said about domestic violence : “And today, I can announce that we will go even further to provide support for those in danger of domestic abuse. And I am launching a new national communications campaign to reach out to those who are at risk from abuse, highlighting that they can still leave home – to get the support that they need. It will signpost to victims how they can access help and but also to reassure them that they can access support services and the police are still on hand. And, importantly, it will tell them that they are not alone.”
Full transcript if anyone wants to read exactly what she said today :
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/home-secretary-outlines-support-for-domestic-abuse-victims"2 millions extra for domestic abuse helplines.  | |||
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"I know the police cant be everywhere but its a worry because im sure these violent types are heavily drinking and blaming someone for this. " Yup. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions!" No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. " But we could let them get on with the job and not nail them to cross until we are out of the grip of the virus ? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. " They aren’t asking questions though, in the main they are slinging accusations without context and playing Gotcha. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions!" I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. They aren’t asking questions though, in the main they are slinging accusations without context and playing Gotcha. " I didnt see it Which journalists were slinging accusations?what were they saying? John humphrys has disclosed that the bbc have been instructed not to put ministers "under pressure" | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding! She very quickly showed why she’s been kept in hiding “I’m sorry if you feel like that” is the biggest non-apology going Combine it with Matt Hancock suggesting that PPE has been misused by NHS staff, and also suggesting that it’s difficult to tell if people working long shifts in the NHS picked up COvID-19 at work or in their “daily lives” it shows exactly how highly they actually regard staff." I'd like these f**king politicians to come look after covid patients without adequate PPE! Let's see what they have to say then. Lots of guidelines are being changed on a daily basis. It often tells staff to "risk assess"... I think that is to cover management's ass | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? " Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government?" I'd say it's definitely the responsibility of the UK government for any shortages in the UK | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government?" Theirs 2 main reasons why there is such an acute PPE shortage right now, that is the USA are outbidding everyone and chinese manufacturers are selling to the customer that will put their money down. This wasn't the case a month ago, or two months ago. Successive conservative governments declined to stock up on PP£ because they thought it too expensive at the time. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government? I'd say it's definitely the responsibility of the UK government for any shortages in the UK" How are your Welsh government doing? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government? I'd say it's definitely the responsibility of the UK government for any shortages in the UK How are your Welsh government doing? " From a personal perspective we currently have enough PPE at my place of work for the current circumstances | |||
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"Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government?" Then why does the government keep saying there’s enough? Businesses are doing more for the NHS than the government are, and they are doing it without asking for payment. | |||
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"Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government? Then why does the government keep saying there’s enough? Businesses are doing more for the NHS than the government are, and they are doing it without asking for payment." they are doing it without payment for now. but im sure behind the scenes companies that help will get tax breaks and access to political lobbying | |||
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" they are doing it without payment for now. but im sure behind the scenes companies that help will get tax breaks and access to political lobbying" These are not big nationwide companies, these are small local businesses who are doing because it’s the right thing to do. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time" | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time" Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account? | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?" The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. " So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris "10 years and she’ll be a fantastic PM | |||
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"Its hard to know how to respond to that" That's because you are a headline reader... The fakenews loves people like you | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding! She very quickly showed why she’s been kept in hiding “I’m sorry if you feel like that” is the biggest non-apology going Combine it with Matt Hancock suggesting that PPE has been misused by NHS staff, and also suggesting that it’s difficult to tell if people working long shifts in the NHS picked up COvID-19 at work or in their “daily lives” it shows exactly how highly they actually regard staff. I'd like these f**king politicians to come look after covid patients without adequate PPE! Let's see what they have to say then. Lots of guidelines are being changed on a daily basis. It often tells staff to "risk assess"... I think that is to cover management's ass " Well Boris shaked hands with everyone in hospitals with covid patients with no PPE. We all know what happend next... | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions?" For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already?" I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions?" She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. | |||
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"The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. " So you are saying that we shouldn’t be asking the government questions about why our nurses and doctors are expected to treat people with a deadly virus without suitable protection? | |||
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"I think the thing im concerned about is the ones trapped in the home getting a beating off the wanker who is frustrated by it all. they cant go to the police because they feel so threatened and its worse when kids are involved. very worrying." I agree | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later." If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded." But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded." Again I agree but no so much personally but I agree | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement " You think a union doesnt speak for its membership? | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris "People like this make me seriously worried.. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement " Regardless of what your saying of fighting for our NHS staff will keep doing their job regardless. My sister works frontline without PPE, she does this day in day out with her co workers in mental health community, people forget about community health workers | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement You think a union doesnt speak for its membership?" That's not what I said. I said they aren't fighting a pr war with the NHS because they're saying the same things | |||
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"Who whole press conferencenwas a farce. Journalists ask a question and they spend 5 mins waffling and bot answering. Now is not the time for Unspeak" I think you need to put your the wine down | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement Regardless of what your saying of fighting for our NHS staff will keep doing their job regardless. My sister works frontline without PPE, she does this day in day out with her co workers in mental health community, people forget about community health workers " Someone posted earlier that they were a carer and had no ppe at all but then deleted her post. | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried.."We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris” | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement You think a union doesnt speak for its membership? That's not what I said. I said they aren't fighting a pr war with the NHS because they're saying the same things" We discussed this before.The head of NHS cannot be too critical of the gmnt. | |||
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"100% behind the NHS. What gets my piss is the snake like questions from the press trying to cause problems where there are non. And trying to trip up who's answering them." By expecting them to actually answer them presumably? | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded. But they aren't fighting the NHS, they are arguing with 'unions'. The NHS aren't kicking up, in fact as we spoke about earlier, they are saying the same as the governement Regardless of what your saying of fighting for our NHS staff will keep doing their job regardless. My sister works frontline without PPE, she does this day in day out with her co workers in mental health community, people forget about community health workers Someone posted earlier that they were a carer and had no ppe at all but then deleted her post." Mental health are literally on their knees at the minute, Mersey care are crying out for help from NHS, you’ve patients being released and have no community support or access support. It’s bad. Really bad | |||
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"100% behind the NHS. What gets my piss is the snake like questions from the press trying to cause problems where there are non. And trying to trip up who's answering them. They don’t help. I agree " Enemies of the people? | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill..." S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. | |||
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"100% behind the NHS. What gets my piss is the snake like questions from the press trying to cause problems where there are non. And trying to trip up who's answering them. They don’t help. I agree " I concur | |||
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"100% behind the NHS. What gets my piss is the snake like questions from the press trying to cause problems where there are non. And trying to trip up who's answering them. They don’t help. I agree Enemies of the people?" That’s for you to decide. They report from headlines or inside news. I listen to official cobra info. I don’t really keep in touch with newspapers, only online official sources. | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”" | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6" I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”
He’s so cute but scared of big situations "But has a great supportive family around him and is loved by all | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”
He’s so cute but scared of big situations
But has a great supportive family around him and is loved by all "Yes and that helps so much. We all love him all the world. (Fuck the fact he’s just ruined my sofa ) | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once." They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'" They have nothing to report so they are digging and digging for story’s. my sister got approached by the scum (sun) from twitter for her story inside the nhs. She told them to do one | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”
He’s so cute but scared of big situations
But has a great supportive family around him and is loved by all
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”
He’s so cute but scared of big situations
But has a great supportive family around him and is loved by all
Yes and that helps so much. We all love him all the world. (Fuck the fact he’s just ruined my sofa )
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"I think the whole country need a cute cuddly Boris cat to love "Yes just like a Home Secretary cat called “daft”. He’s so silly. | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
10 years and she’ll be a fantastic PM"She would make a cracking PM | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
People like this make me seriously worried..
We’ve just got a kitten. He’s so daft, my kids have called him “ boris”
He’s so cute but scared of big situations
But has a great supportive family around him and is loved by all
Yes and that helps so much. We all love him all the world. (Fuck the fact he’s just ruined my sofa )
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'" Actually the untrustworthy journalist I was thinking of has since gone into politics. He was fired from The Times for lying. In a world of liars he was considered dishonourable... | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'" Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Actually the untrustworthy journalist I was thinking of has since gone into politics. He was fired from The Times for lying. In a world of liars he was considered dishonourable..." Touche | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Actually the untrustworthy journalist I was thinking of has since gone into politics. He was fired from The Times for lying. In a world of liars he was considered dishonourable..." I didn't call them untrustworthy nor was I comparing them to Boris Johnson | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess." Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections? | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Actually the untrustworthy journalist I was thinking of has since gone into politics. He was fired from The Times for lying. In a world of liars he was considered dishonourable... I didn't call them untrustworthy nor was I comparing them to Boris Johnson" Nope I called them untrustworthy. This is the second thread where I see Boris Johnson supporters questioning the competence and ethical of journalists. Is it not apt to point out that that same unethetical fraternity saw fit to expel our current PM from their ranks on ethical grounds? To sum it up. People can't take pot shots at journalists in general without taking a pot shot at Boris at the same time. | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt?" Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision? | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt? Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision?" I didnt realise they were going after anyone until tonight? | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt? Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision? I didnt realise they were going after anyone until tonight?" You would expect them to go after the man who allegedly said "let the old people die" now that he's getting his wish. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. " But they are not asking difficult questions. 95% of the questions are answered if they just listened to what the three speakers say when they speak initially! I spend half the time shouting the answers before the speakers repeat for a 2nd 3rd 4th time The other 5% are ridiculous questions asking for timelines and apologies Why would the goverment give a timeline when plans are being made and changing every day, only for more criticism when the deadline is met. Now is not the apologies if they are even needed. From someone who has had total distain for politicians for so long, it is the first time I’ve see politicians be human. | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt? Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision? I didnt realise they were going after anyone until tonight? You would expect them to go after the man who allegedly said "let the old people die" now that he's getting his wish. " Fake news apparently | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. But they are not asking difficult questions. 95% of the questions are answered if they just listened to what the three speakers say when they speak initially! I spend half the time shouting the answers before the speakers repeat for a 2nd 3rd 4th time The other 5% are ridiculous questions asking for timelines and apologies Why would the goverment give a timeline when plans are being made and changing every day, only for more criticism when the deadline is met. Now is not the apologies if they are even needed. From someone who has had total distain for politicians for so long, it is the first time I’ve see politicians be human. " Rewind a few months, do you remember journalists who didn't ask the right questions and say nice things being kicked out of number 10? Do you remember Channel 4 being threatened after doing some damning investigative journalism? What you have is the effective gagging of the free press. It's one of the indicators of totalitarianism which is what you have here in a one party state where laws protecting human rights have been undermined and passed without consultation. This is not democracy. This is state capture operating under the veil of democracy. | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt? Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision? I didnt realise they were going after anyone until tonight? You would expect them to go after the man who allegedly said "let the old people die" now that he's getting his wish. Fake news apparently" It's not like they ever let the truth get in way of a good story. Corbyn never said anything antisemitic but the rumour became a fact after it was repeated enough times. | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections?" It shouldn't be a surprise that the number of new cases has gone up. More testing will mean more positive results. Stands to reason. | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt? Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision? I didnt realise they were going after anyone until tonight? You would expect them to go after the man who allegedly said "let the old people die" now that he's getting his wish. Fake news apparently It's not like they ever let the truth get in way of a good story. Corbyn never said anything antisemitic but the rumour became a fact after it was repeated enough times." Agreed | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections?" You said Sadiq Khan on another thread. | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections? It shouldn't be a surprise that the number of new cases has gone up. More testing will mean more positive results. Stands to reason." It does stand to reason. Germany reported 2737 new cases out of a population of 80 million. They do 500 000 tests per week. With Germany's population and multiple borders one might expect them to have more cases than us and more deaths. But so far 2736 vs our 9875. Per million in Germany it 33 in the UK 145. The main difference between us and us actions taken in the early stages. | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections? You said Sadiq Khan on another thread. " I did? I used the crowding of public transport through reduced services as one example of how we have made decisions that have made matters worse. I then went on to say I thought he was just doing what he was told. Did Sadiq embark on a policy of herd immunity? The person who made that decision sent us down a road of NHS overloading. Even though it was pointed out that it would result in heavy casualties. | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections? It shouldn't be a surprise that the number of new cases has gone up. More testing will mean more positive results. Stands to reason. It does stand to reason. Germany reported 2737 new cases out of a population of 80 million. They do 500 000 tests per week. With Germany's population and multiple borders one might expect them to have more cases than us and more deaths. But so far 2736 vs our 9875. Per million in Germany it 33 in the UK 145. The main difference between us and us actions taken in the early stages. " Yep but still poor when compared to Russia. Only 0.7 deaths per million! | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections? You said Sadiq Khan on another thread. I did? I used the crowding of public transport through reduced services as one example of how we have made decisions that have made matters worse. I then went on to say I thought he was just doing what he was told. Did Sadiq embark on a policy of herd immunity? The person who made that decision sent us down a road of NHS overloading. Even though it was pointed out that it would result in heavy casualties. " Nah, you blamed Sadiq Khan only you thought you was blaming the Tories until it was pointed out to you otherwise. Since when you've made that beeping sound lorries make when reversing because it didn't fit with your political agenda. Don't worry, I wont let you forget | |||
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"Ah, Priti Patel. The same woman who lied to the government about secret meetings with the Israeli government whilst on holiday. Same woman who is for the death penalty. Same woman who co authored a book about how lazy British workers are. Oh, and same woman who threatened Ireland with no deal food shortages... " Glad you can see what a much needed shrewd politician she is. We are all thankful that she is in our Government. | |||
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"Is she apologising for the full governments catastrophic failures, not planning intelligently from January, acquisition of the essentials then, rather than throwing the NHS staff to the mercy of a fatal illness and all citizens to get death or herd immunity? Thought not! She's another very nasty piece of work " A bit like the Spanish and Italian governments for their failures then. Stupid British, Spanish and Italian governments following the medical and scientific advice, they should have come on a swingers site and listened to the hindsight advice of all the non experts | |||
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"Is she apologising for the full governments catastrophic failures, not planning intelligently from January, acquisition of the essentials then, rather than throwing the NHS staff to the mercy of a fatal illness and all citizens to get death or herd immunity? Thought not! She's another very nasty piece of work A bit like the Spanish and Italian governments for their failures then. Stupid British, Spanish and Italian governments following the medical and scientific advice, they should have come on a swingers site and listened to the hindsight advice of all the non experts "To be fair UK is the one which is performing worst. For example Italy did 300000 tests in the last 7 days, imposed a strict lockdown, had scaled up their ventilators from 5k to 10k a while ago (real ventilators not parapac) and is about to roll out a working antibody test. More or less the same applies to other European countries... except UK... | |||
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"Ah, Priti Patel. The same woman who lied to the government about secret meetings with the Israeli government whilst on holiday. Same woman who is for the death penalty. Same woman who co authored a book about how lazy British workers are. Oh, and same woman who threatened Ireland with no deal food shortages... Glad you can see what a much needed shrewd politician she is. We are all thankful that she is in our Government." Aye..always good to have a disgraced..vindictive..bully in gmnt. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! No I don't want to thump journalists for doing their job and asking difficult questions. There has been two areas where the government has seriously failed and that is in testing and provision of PPE. We need to know what's gone wrong with both of them. But we could let them get on with the job and not nail them to cross until we are out of the grip of the virus ?" Generally most people are. I know there are some who are just looking to find fault but most aren't. I myself don't think the government has done too badly in its overall handling of this crisis but it has got both testing and provision of PPE wrong. If applying a bit of pressure now encourages them to put more effort into getting that sorted then I'm ok with that. | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding! She very quickly showed why she’s been kept in hiding “I’m sorry if you feel like that” is the biggest non-apology going Combine it with Matt Hancock suggesting that PPE has been misused by NHS staff, and also suggesting that it’s difficult to tell if people working long shifts in the NHS picked up COvID-19 at work or in their “daily lives” it shows exactly how highly they actually regard staff. I'd like these f**king politicians to come look after covid patients without adequate PPE! Let's see what they have to say then. Lots of guidelines are being changed on a daily basis. It often tells staff to "risk assess"... I think that is to cover management's ass " Well I wouldn't want a politician treating me rather than a trained professional just in the hope that I might pass this awful virus on to them. How would that help? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! I'm sorry that you feel that way. Would I be correct in thinking that you don't think the Govt is responsible for failing provide the necessary PPE. And what do you think the job of journalists should be? Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government? I'd say it's definitely the responsibility of the UK government for any shortages in the UK" You're absolutely right. It is the responsibility of the government if there are shortages in the UK and that is why it's absolutely imperative that we question the government, find our what has gone wrong and what could be done better not just next time but now. However it's also true that nearly every single health service in the world has had problems with the provision of PPE to health workers so just crying "bloody uncaring Tory bastards" at every opportunity, as some do, is unlikely to get to the root cause of the problem. | |||
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"Love her almost as much as Boris
10 years and she’ll be a fantastic PM
She would make a cracking PM "She would if your definition of a cracking PM is a bullying halfwit | |||
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"Virtually every country has an issue with ppe at the moment. Is that the fault of the UK government? Then why does the government keep saying there’s enough? Businesses are doing more for the NHS than the government are, and they are doing it without asking for payment." Probably because there is enough but just not enough where it's needed now. | |||
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"Ah, Priti Patel. The same woman who lied to the government about secret meetings with the Israeli government whilst on holiday. Same woman who is for the death penalty. Same woman who co authored a book about how lazy British workers are. Oh, and same woman who threatened Ireland with no deal food shortages... Glad you can see what a much needed shrewd politician she is. We are all thankful that she is in our Government." She's a liability and an intellectual lightweight. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?" Personally I'd want to hold the government to account whether they were lying or not. I mean if there isn't enough PPE where it's needed there isn't enough PPE where it's needed whether the government was telling the truth about it or not. But I guess it depends on whether people actually want to solve the problem and save lives or just use the problem to try and score political points. | |||
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"Ah, Priti Patel. The same woman who lied to the government about secret meetings with the Israeli government whilst on holiday. Same woman who is for the death penalty. Same woman who co authored a book about how lazy British workers are. Oh, and same woman who threatened Ireland with no deal food shortages... She is just one part of this marvelous cabinet that we have. People queueing up to defend these utter loons. " Absolutely not. I can't stand her and a lot of others in this government. However they are the government and nothing we can do will change that. What we can do is put the party politics aside until after this crisis whilst at the same time constructively pointing out where this government has got things wrong and what it can do better now to help saves people's lives. The electorate won't thank anyone if during this nation crisis they appear to be putting party political point scoring before savings people's lives. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already?" Or maybe the government should get its act together and deliver more PPE where it's needed. | |||
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"The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So you are saying that we shouldn’t be asking the government questions about why our nurses and doctors are expected to treat people with a deadly virus without suitable protection?" Yes, I think that is what they're saying. | |||
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"I think it would be great if we could actually focus on some of the things the governement are saying in their press conferences that are positive instead of constantly being negative all the time Yeah, I mean why would we want to hold a government of liars to account?The media keeps asking the same questions ffs. Where's the PPE when are they getting the PPE, how many times do they have to saying they are doing everything they can. Maybe the media think the government is just say fuck them let them die. You can't deliver what you haven't go no matter how much you stamp your foot and cry,think someone's lost the magic wand please return ASAP so the media stops asking stupid questions. So what are you saying exactly? Without being facetious..it sounds like the media should not be asking the gmnt awkward questions? For me the media can ask what they like but come on, repeating the same questions every day is doing absolutely zero for unity. Maybe they could asked some questions that haven't been answered 100 times already? I'm guessing the question was asked again because the gmnt are saying 1 thing and the medical profession are saying another? Did she answer it? I'm sure she was asked other questions? She gave the same generic answer. The study re. BMA has been out for 3 days so it's not a new study for them to be questioning still days later. If they think they are going to win a pr war with the nhs they are very much deluded." The only war anyonw should be thinking about fighting is the war against Covid. I'm pretty sure neither the government nor the NHS wants to waist time and effort fighting each other. | |||
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"Yes ask questions but the same ones over and over,any one with more than 2 brain cells knows that the whole world is buying PPE, if you can't get you can't deliver it. We are starting to make more but it takes time, keep on asking the same questions show the media are just looking for an easy story. Time they stop playing politics and do their job. Or are they so thick they believe that if they keep asking for PPE it will just turn up over night. " No but if they keep the PPE story on the news agenda, making the government feel both uncomfortable and embarrassed about it, I'm pretty sure the government will put more effort into sorting the problem out. And that is what most people want; isn't it? | |||
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"What I dont get is the vast majority of the printed media in this country are heavily Tory biased (mail,Express,the rag,the star,The times) so why would they be hell bent on tripping up the gmnt? Are they going after Boris and his decision to opt for the herd immunity strategy or are they going after those who are struggling to cope with the consequences of that decision? I didnt realise they were going after anyone until tonight? You would expect them to go after the man who allegedly said "let the old people die" now that he's getting his wish. " Except that no one actually said that. But don't let the truth get in the way. | |||
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"Ah, Priti Patel. The same woman who lied to the government about secret meetings with the Israeli government whilst on holiday. Same woman who is for the death penalty. Same woman who co authored a book about how lazy British workers are. Oh, and same woman who threatened Ireland with no deal food shortages... She is just one part of this marvelous cabinet that we have. People queueing up to defend these utter loons. Absolutely not. I can't stand her and a lot of others in this government. However they are the government and nothing we can do will change that. What we can do is put the party politics aside until after this crisis whilst at the same time constructively pointing out where this government has got things wrong and what it can do better now to help saves people's lives. The electorate won't thank anyone if during this nation crisis they appear to be putting party political point scoring before savings people's lives. " Where exactly is that point scoring, it's fact! And a government should be scrutinized, that is how you save lives!! | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding! She very quickly showed why she’s been kept in hiding “I’m sorry if you feel like that” is the biggest non-apology going Combine it with Matt Hancock suggesting that PPE has been misused by NHS staff, and also suggesting that it’s difficult to tell if people working long shifts in the NHS picked up COvID-19 at work or in their “daily lives” it shows exactly how highly they actually regard staff. I'd like these f**king politicians to come look after covid patients without adequate PPE! Let's see what they have to say then. Lots of guidelines are being changed on a daily basis. It often tells staff to "risk assess"... I think that is to cover management's ass " That would be a good idea wouldn’t it! Maybe we could get all those sportsman and woman doing nothing at the moment. Just as qualified to do the work. It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. The fact companies like Burberry (and others I can’t remember ) suggests there isn’t enough readily available ppe. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions!" The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. | |||
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"I think we should just be glad the home secretary has finally said something after over 2 weeks in hiding! She very quickly showed why she’s been kept in hiding “I’m sorry if you feel like that” is the biggest non-apology going Combine it with Matt Hancock suggesting that PPE has been misused by NHS staff, and also suggesting that it’s difficult to tell if people working long shifts in the NHS picked up COvID-19 at work or in their “daily lives” it shows exactly how highly they actually regard staff. I'd like these f**king politicians to come look after covid patients without adequate PPE! Let's see what they have to say then. Lots of guidelines are being changed on a daily basis. It often tells staff to "risk assess"... I think that is to cover management's ass That would be a good idea wouldn’t it! Maybe we could get all those sportsman and woman doing nothing at the moment. Just as qualified to do the work. It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. The fact companies like Burberry (and others I can’t remember ) suggests there isn’t enough readily available ppe. " You have heard nothing to suggest that any medical and care staff have inadequate PPE? You really think that there are no staff without kit or having to use inadequate kit? Nobody has said that equipment can be "magically" produced from anywhere. Why would they need to anyway as there is apparently enough according to government? Yet production is having to be ramped up all over the country. They are caught in an unnecessary political lie which you have just pointed out yourself yet you are defending it. The government are doing all that they can I'm sure but they have been failing for a number of weeks for a number of reasons. What is your motivation for defending them? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. " If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way?" Which of those 6 questions, which are totally different to the original topic, concerns you most ? | |||
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"Anyone else think she'd be great in bed or has quarantine finally driven me mad " I'd prefer to focus on her political skills right now ... Can't you think of fucking the Easter Bunny for a week or so ? | |||
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"She really isn't sorry. Malignant narcissists never make genuine apologies." She'd have had to have done something wrong first. I'd like to hear more about what the government have done to date and what their forward plan is ..... Finger pointing doesn't get kit to the N.H.S. It's all wasted energy. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way?" Seen some name calling of Patel in this thread Easy me old mucker. You going to apply your Biden standards to this one? | |||
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"Yes my work too. We have an abundance of Ppe. But then we have awesome management structure. " Good to hear | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment." So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers." It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. " I'm not promoting a political argument at all, whoever was in power I would be asking the same questions of. I can't agree though with taken by surprise argument though, health ministers for many weeks have been claiming there's an abundance of protective equipment, and the supply of more was imminent, yet there are still frontline workers using their own equipment or crafting their own solutions with whatevers available. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Seen some name calling of Patel in this thread Easy me old mucker. You going to apply your Biden standards to this one? "At least it was gender neutral questioning ...... ( At my age there should have been an historical Q surely? ) | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. " This. ^ | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Seen some name calling of Patel in this thread Easy me old mucker. You going to apply your Biden standards to this one?
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. " She was representing the government. She should have done one thing - apologise, on behalf of the government, for the scandalous situation the government she represents has allowed to occur, through its ineptitude. Of course she won’t do that, and the people who voted for the architects of this scandal will continue to try to defend the indefensible. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Which of those 6 questions, which are totally different to the original topic, concerns you most ?" This is the original topic: "Priti Patel: I'm sorry if people feel there has been failings on PPE" You have defended her non-apology. Everything that I asked is directly linked to this. Did you want your opinion accepted without question? I would like to know why not apologising under these circumstances is worthy of praise? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. She was representing the government. She should have done one thing - apologise, on behalf of the government, for the scandalous situation the government she represents has allowed to occur, through its ineptitude. Of course she won’t do that, and the people who voted for the architects of this scandal will continue to try to defend the indefensible." And all over the world, the population of those countries are blaming their governments for exactly the same. Way too many experts with the gift of hindsight. Way too many know it alls without an inkling of what it takes to fight and mobilise against a virus like this. But all too happy to blame xyz for its "failings". Givenue the information available at the time, and how unpredictably quickly the virus has spread, I seriously doubt any government would have reacted any differently. People trying to make political capital out of this are the lowest form of humanity IMHO. | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. " Probably true, given the starting point. That does not justify denying that there is a problem, indicating that any problems are to do with misuse of equipment and refusing to apologise for any failings acceptable. Tht is what is happening now, refusal to apologise. Even from a political perspective, let alone a human one, I do not understand that strategy  | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. Probably true, given the starting point. That does not justify denying that there is a problem, indicating that any problems are to do with misuse of equipment and refusing to apologise for any failings acceptable. Tht is what is happening now, refusal to apologise. Even from a political perspective, let alone a human one, I do not understand that strategy "Hypethetical question. She apologises. Now what? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. She was representing the government. She should have done one thing - apologise, on behalf of the government, for the scandalous situation the government she represents has allowed to occur, through its ineptitude. Of course she won’t do that, and the people who voted for the architects of this scandal will continue to try to defend the indefensible. And all over the world, the population of those countries are blaming their governments for exactly the same. Way too many experts with the gift of hindsight. Way too many know it alls without an inkling of what it takes to fight and mobilise against a virus like this. But all too happy to blame xyz for its "failings". Givenue the information available at the time, and how unpredictably quickly the virus has spread, I seriously doubt any government would have reacted any differently. People trying to make political capital out of this are the lowest form of humanity IMHO." | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. She was representing the government. She should have done one thing - apologise, on behalf of the government, for the scandalous situation the government she represents has allowed to occur, through its ineptitude. Of course she won’t do that, and the people who voted for the architects of this scandal will continue to try to defend the indefensible. And all over the world, the population of those countries are blaming their governments for exactly the same. Way too many experts with the gift of hindsight. Way too many know it alls without an inkling of what it takes to fight and mobilise against a virus like this. But all too happy to blame xyz for its "failings". Givenue the information available at the time, and how unpredictably quickly the virus has spread, I seriously doubt any government would have reacted any differently. People trying to make political capital out of this are the lowest form of humanity IMHO. " Nobody is saying that they expect abundant equipment. They are asking why were we not prepared? Perhaps to be answered another day. They are asking why did it take so long to do something about the lack of equipment? Again, perhaps this can wait. They are asking why the government denying that there are any shortages? The fact that some areas have enough does not change the fact that others do not for whatever reason. They are asking why the government is implying that of there are shortages it is because staff are wasting equipment? They are asking why it is so difficult for the government to apologise? Should they not? Have they nothing to apologise for? | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. Probably true, given the starting point. That does not justify denying that there is a problem, indicating that any problems are to do with misuse of equipment and refusing to apologise for any failings acceptable. Tht is what is happening now, refusal to apologise. Even from a political perspective, let alone a human one, I do not understand that strategy
Hypethetical question.
She apologises.
Now what?"The government look like they care and understood what is actually going on. Medical and care staff feel like they are being listened to and a layer of stress is alleviated. Medical staff are not made to feel that they lack equipment because they are misusing it. They build cohesion in an incredibly difficult situation. All from just saying sorry, we get it, we'll do better. Why would they not apologise? Have they nothing to apologise for? | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. She was representing the government. She should have done one thing - apologise, on behalf of the government, for the scandalous situation the government she represents has allowed to occur, through its ineptitude. Of course she won’t do that, and the people who voted for the architects of this scandal will continue to try to defend the indefensible. And all over the world, the population of those countries are blaming their governments for exactly the same. Way too many experts with the gift of hindsight. Way too many know it alls without an inkling of what it takes to fight and mobilise against a virus like this. But all too happy to blame xyz for its "failings". Givenue the information available at the time, and how unpredictably quickly the virus has spread, I seriously doubt any government would have reacted any differently. People trying to make political capital out of this are the lowest form of humanity IMHO. " Many of us had the gift of foresight, and pointed out the failings of this government’s strategy as they were making it - allowing Cheltenham festival to go ahead, ignoring WHO advice, etc etc ad infinitum. There will always be those who seek to defend the scandals governments they have voted for are responsible for. Curiously, they always want every scandal their political decisions are responsible for to be considered non-political. Every single time. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Which of those 6 questions, which are totally different to the original topic, concerns you most ? This is the original topic: "Priti Patel: I'm sorry if people feel there has been failings on PPE" You have defended her non-apology. Everything that I asked is directly linked to this. Did you want your opinion accepted without question? I would like to know why not apologising under these circumstances is worthy of praise?" By topic I meant the title of the thread. I didn't offer an opinion either way. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Which of those 6 questions, which are totally different to the original topic, concerns you most ? This is the original topic: "Priti Patel: I'm sorry if people feel there has been failings on PPE" You have defended her non-apology. Everything that I asked is directly linked to this. Did you want your opinion accepted without question? I would like to know why not apologising under these circumstances is worthy of praise? By topic I meant the title of the thread. I didn't offer an opinion either way." I just gave you the title of the thread. You offered a very strong opinion. "She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due." | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. Probably true, given the starting point. That does not justify denying that there is a problem, indicating that any problems are to do with misuse of equipment and refusing to apologise for any failings acceptable. Tht is what is happening now, refusal to apologise. Even from a political perspective, let alone a human one, I do not understand that strategy
Hypethetical question.
She apologises.
Now what?"Exactly! Waste of breath. Ways forward ..... ways forward. Not playground talk.... 'say sorry for that.... go on say sorry!' It's just causes division when we most need unity. Who gives a FUCK about apologies. It's action that's needed. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Which of those 6 questions, which are totally different to the original topic, concerns you most ? This is the original topic: "Priti Patel: I'm sorry if people feel there has been failings on PPE" You have defended her non-apology. Everything that I asked is directly linked to this. Did you want your opinion accepted without question? I would like to know why not apologising under these circumstances is worthy of praise? By topic I meant the title of the thread. I didn't offer an opinion either way. I just gave you the title of the thread. You offered a very strong opinion. "She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due."" I know what I said. That wasn't an opinion on the apology. I stand that she should be commended for batting off the question and stating fact. | |||
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" It’s amazing how many people seem to miss the fact I’ve heard medical staff on tv and radio saying they have enough ppe. I am also amazed that people think the government can just magic ppe when the whole world is after the same equipment. So is there enough protective equipment available or not? We had enough warning of the storm heading towards us, Spain and Italy weren't so fortunate. The government had at least two months to prioritise what was necessary, to reduce risks substantially at the coal face to patients and health workers. It's not good in some parts of the country, better in others.. Given the speed and severity of this the issue would be the same whomever was in power.. Probably true, given the starting point. That does not justify denying that there is a problem, indicating that any problems are to do with misuse of equipment and refusing to apologise for any failings acceptable. Tht is what is happening now, refusal to apologise. Even from a political perspective, let alone a human one, I do not understand that strategy
Hypethetical question.
She apologises.
Now what?
Exactly!
Waste of breath.
Ways forward ..... ways forward.
Not playground talk.... 'say sorry for that.... go on say sorry!'
It's just causes division when we most need unity.
Who gives a FUCK about apologies. It's action that's needed. "People who are under stress give a fuck about apologies. It can transform a relationship from a dysfunctional one to a working one. It is a very effective form of action. However, if you are someone who is unable to be self-critical or admit a mistake or understand that relationships are as important as "things", particularly in high stress situations, then you will not be able to understand this  | |||
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"Bloody journalists!!! Can't trust 'em! Except for Winston Churchill... S'funny Journalists only seen to come under scrutiny when they actually hold the gmnt to account. That's not quite true. I can think of lots of different occasions when journalists have come under intense scrutint6 I can think of the phone hacking scandal and a few others. I just find it a bit weird they are coming under fire when they are actually doing their job,for once. They're coming under fire for being lazy and asking the same questions time and time again. Einstein said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' Maybe if politicians actually answered questions? I dont know I didnt see today's briefing. The does seem to be a fuck load of finger pointing though..The unions are blaming the.gmnt..the gmnt are saying they have done everything they can..and now journalist are being accused of asking stupid questions. It's a bit of a fucking mess. Today there were 5233 new cases of infections. Second only to the USA. Whose fault is it that we have so many new infections? You said Sadiq Khan on another thread. I did? I used the crowding of public transport through reduced services as one example of how we have made decisions that have made matters worse. I then went on to say I thought he was just doing what he was told. Did Sadiq embark on a policy of herd immunity? The person who made that decision sent us down a road of NHS overloading. Even though it was pointed out that it would result in heavy casualties. Nah, you blamed Sadiq Khan only you thought you was blaming the Tories until it was pointed out to you otherwise. Since when you've made that beeping sound lorries make when reversing because it didn't fit with your political agenda. Don't worry, I wont let you forget "Ah ok. I know who you are know now. | |||
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"Some of the worst journalism I’ve ever witnessed... but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative Don’t you want to thump journalists who ask such ridiculous questions! The watched it live. The journalist was determined to get her either to say 'sorry' which would have been an admission that she was guilty of something or that she was 'not sorry' for the lack of P.P.E. The journalist could have then had a field day with saying that she ADMITTED she cocked up the P.P.E supply. And a mega field day with that she isn't even SORRY that she cocked up the P.P.E supply. She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due. Even now people on here are twisting both the question and her reply. If they have everything they need then no need to apologise. Do you think that there is a lack of adequate PPE for any medical and care staff or not? Do they all have exactly what they need or not? Are doctors, nurses and care workers lying for some reason? Apologising for not providing adequate equipment for medical and care staff is not something that anyone should do under any circumstances? It is, in fact, a sign of great cleverness to not apologise when you get something seriously wrong? Will her nonapology help motivate those on the front line to keep pushing themselves to the limit with their exhaustion, bruised faces, self-isolation and mourning for dead colleagues? Do you think that what she said helped the situation in any way? Which of those 6 questions, which are totally different to the original topic, concerns you most ? This is the original topic: "Priti Patel: I'm sorry if people feel there has been failings on PPE" You have defended her non-apology. Everything that I asked is directly linked to this. Did you want your opinion accepted without question? I would like to know why not apologising under these circumstances is worthy of praise? By topic I meant the title of the thread. I didn't offer an opinion either way. I just gave you the title of the thread. You offered a very strong opinion. "She needs commending for not allowing herself to being led down that path. I'm no fan but credit where it's due." I know what I said. That wasn't an opinion on the apology. I stand that she should be commended for batting off the question and stating fact." Then your communication skills need work. You have managed to avoid answering any of the questions asked though. No wonder you admire her skills | |||
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"My communication skills are fine. Do you know that some turn to insult when they couldn't force the answer they wanted?" I have not insulted you at all. You congratulated the Home Secretary for avoiding apologising then claimed that you did not. I asked for an answer of any description which you are unable or unwilling to provide. Well done | |||
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"My communication skills are fine. Do you know that some turn to insult when they couldn't force the answer they wanted? I have not insulted you at all. You congratulated the Home Secretary for avoiding apologising then claimed that you did not. I asked for an answer of any description which you are unable or unwilling to provide. Well done "I didn't say you'd insulted me. There must be an online course you can take to boost your own understanding. P.S. Did you mean that i'd 'done well ?' Or was that simply unproductive frustrated sarcasm ?
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"I think the thing im concerned about is the ones trapped in the home getting a beating off the wanker who is frustrated by it all. they cant go to the police because they feel so threatened and its worse when kids are involved. very worrying." People are becoming more aware of domestic violence perpetrated by either sex now..... let's hope it does't slip from sight | |||
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"My communication skills are fine. Do you know that some turn to insult when they couldn't force the answer they wanted? I have not insulted you at all. You congratulated the Home Secretary for avoiding apologising then claimed that you did not. I asked for an answer of any description which you are unable or unwilling to provide. Well done
I didn't say you'd insulted me.
There must be an online course you can take to boost your own understanding.
P.S. Did you mean that i'd 'done well ?' Or was that simply unproductive frustrated sarcasm ?
"This level of denial in the face of your own written words is worthy of Trump. It is deeply impressive
In conclusion, you must have said nothing in this thread as you have made no points to discuss according to you.
How curious.
One point of view:
The government has nothing to apologise for.
There is enough PPE everywhere for medical and care staff.
Not apologising is to be commended as doing so would be "falling into a trap".
There is no benefit in making an apology as attending to relationships in a high stress situation does not make any difference.
Another point of view:
If those doing dangerous work under stress say that there is a problem;
Acknowledge it
Apologise for it
Fix it
In both cases the government is trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances regardless of initial or historical strategic policy mistakes.
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