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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What more can we/government do to help in this situation?
I'm not asking about the lack of PPE etc. As far as I'm concerned that has been debated more than enough.
The reason I ask is I have taken the advice from WHO (below) and it would appear that we as a country are actually going above and beyond.
Here is the advice:
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth.
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Keep up to date on the latest COVID-19 hotspots (cities or local areas where COVID-19 is spreading widely). If possible, avoid traveling to places – especially if you are an older person or have diabetes, heart or lung disease.
Why? You have a higher chance of catching COVID-19 in one of these areas.
This should not turn political. If you want to get political about it then hop off here and go to the politics section. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box. |
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By political if you mean partisan? Then we understand all political parties are trying to work together! That does not mean that the government cannot be held to account. This government decided to take the sombrero approach by allowing people to get infected, hoping to delay until summer to reduce impact on the NHS and the economy. The belief that we will build up antibodies has proven to be folly and the approach was against the advice of many European countries where the epidemic was more advanced. The government left it to late to act and it picked the wrong strategy! The price we pay, is more of us die or become ill. Note that Boris always refers to following expert advice? Our money is on when the dust settles! The blame game will be directed at the experts and the Civil Service!!!! But know one will care because the economy will be in free fall  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box."
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"By political if you mean partisan? Then we understand all political parties are trying to work together! That does not mean that the government cannot be held to account. This government decided to take the sombrero approach by allowing people to get infected, hoping to delay until summer to reduce impact on the NHS and the economy. The belief that we will build up antibodies has proven to be folly and the approach was against the advice of many European countries where the epidemic was more advanced. The government left it to late to act and it picked the wrong strategy! The price we pay, is more of us die or become ill. Note that Boris always refers to following expert advice? Our money is on when the dust settles! The blame game will be directed at the experts and the Civil Service!!!! But know one will care because the economy will be in free fall "
That doesn't address any of what I asked but thanks. But thanks for blaming the government in only the second reply.
I haven't said the government shouldn't be held to account. But and it's a huge but, now is not the time.
Now if you could keep on topic that would be grand, thanks.
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
WHO guidance is clear.
Wash your hands.
No need to wear masks in public unless you have the disease.
Wash your flipping hands.
No need to wear gloves in public, just as much risk of transferring the disease to your face.
Wash your goddam hands.
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I follow the government guidelines, but I'm unconvinced about the 2m distancing as a cough or sneeze can travel further than that. I use 4m as my safe distance.
I have a window spray bottle that I"ve repurposed with diluted Dettol by the front door and use this to mist anything that comes through the letterbox. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
If you do go out, touch as little as possible. Don’t pick up 3 tins of peas just to select one, don’t rummage through the freezer stuff and keep to the rules in the supermarket. Tesco have a one way system but after about 3 aisles people seem to ignore it.
Don’t touch the button at pedestrian crossings, cash machines, etc. If you do, try and sanitise your hands as soon as you can. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?"
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing. "
As much as I agree with a lot of what you say here. I disagree with a couple of points.
I personally don't believe the lockdown should be imposed further. Nor do I believe that public parks should be closed.
Having said that, I'm happy to accept that people have differing opinions. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
As much as I agree with a lot of what you say here. I disagree with a couple of points.
I personally don't believe the lockdown should be imposed further. Nor do I believe that public parks should be closed.
Having said that, I'm happy to accept that people have differing opinions."
What else do you think could be done, if anything. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
As much as I agree with a lot of what you say here. I disagree with a couple of points.
I personally don't believe the lockdown should be imposed further. Nor do I believe that public parks should be closed.
Having said that, I'm happy to accept that people have differing opinions.
What else do you think could be done, if anything."
The biggest thing for me that could've been done diggerently is how international flights were handled.
But, that's with the benefit of hindsight |
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The big change, other than total confinement at home which isn't happening soon, that could make a great difference now, is to introduce contact tracing. As people are much more limited in their journeys and contacts with others,it's easier to trace contacts. I'd probably introduce registers of people in shops, to assist with tracing non-physical transmissions, although seemingly there's very low evidence of it being transmitted this way to people who didn't interact with you. The supermarkets are doing very well from this virus and perhaps locals could assist with registers. Local authorities already have teams for contact tracing, so they should be actioned with this, potentially with more people recruited to support them.
It would add some minor inconvenience to the public.
Shortly we ought to think about eradication of this virus, if we have the guts to do it. It would need millions of people tested, so not very, very quick but more than we've planned for, as a foundation. I think the public could stand isolation for 1 month or two, in complete lockdown. Radical food delivery systems would be required, with absolute lock down,apart from key workers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"By political if you mean partisan? Then we understand all political parties are trying to work together! That does not mean that the government cannot be held to account. This government decided to take the sombrero approach by allowing people to get infected, hoping to delay until summer to reduce impact on the NHS and the economy. The belief that we will build up antibodies has proven to be folly... "
Please elaborate on this last part. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The big change, other than total confinement at home which isn't happening soon, that could make a great difference now, is to introduce contact tracing. As people are much more limited in their journeys and contacts with others,it's easier to trace contacts. I'd probably introduce registers of people in shops, to assist with tracing non-physical transmissions, although seemingly there's very low evidence of it being transmitted this way to people who didn't interact with you. The supermarkets are doing very well from this virus and perhaps locals could assist with registers. Local authorities already have teams for contact tracing, so they should be actioned with this, potentially with more people recruited to support them.
It would add some minor inconvenience to the public.
Shortly we ought to think about eradication of this virus, if we have the guts to do it. It would need millions of people tested, so not very, very quick but more than we've planned for, as a foundation. I think the public could stand isolation for 1 month or two, in complete lockdown. Radical food delivery systems would be required, with absolute lock down,apart from key workers. "
What makes you think we can eradicate the virus? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"What more can we/government do to help in this situation?
I'm not asking about the lack of PPE etc. As far as I'm concerned that has been debated more than enough.
The reason I ask is I have taken the advice from WHO (below) and it would appear that we as a country are actually going above and beyond.
Here is the advice:
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth.
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Keep up to date on the latest COVID-19 hotspots (cities or local areas where COVID-19 is spreading widely). If possible, avoid traveling to places – especially if you are an older person or have diabetes, heart or lung disease.
Why? You have a higher chance of catching COVID-19 in one of these areas.
This should not turn political. If you want to get political about it then hop off here and go to the politics section."
You are correctly stating the WHO guidance to individuals.
That is not the same as government action. The WHO guidance at government level is for contact tracing and testing. As a country this has barely even begun. This both reduces transmission and increases the availability of medical staff.
The next government responsibility is the provision and distribution of PPE to frontline medical staff and care workers followed by other key workers. The BMA and other medical groups are not exactly content with how this is going and you can see what is starting to happen in care homes.
Finally there is coordination with other governments and international agencies over best practice and sharing data and workloads for how the virus spreads and how vaccines and tests can be developed.
So plenty the government can improve on. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What more can we/government do to help in this situation?
I'm not asking about the lack of PPE etc. As far as I'm concerned that has been debated more than enough.
The reason I ask is I have taken the advice from WHO (below) and it would appear that we as a country are actually going above and beyond.
Here is the advice:
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth.
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Keep up to date on the latest COVID-19 hotspots (cities or local areas where COVID-19 is spreading widely). If possible, avoid traveling to places – especially if you are an older person or have diabetes, heart or lung disease.
Why? You have a higher chance of catching COVID-19 in one of these areas.
This should not turn political. If you want to get political about it then hop off here and go to the politics section.
You are correctly stating the WHO guidance to individuals.
That is not the same as government action. The WHO guidance at government level is for contact tracing and testing. As a country this has barely even begun. This both reduces transmission and increases the availability of medical staff.
The next government responsibility is the provision and distribution of PPE to frontline medical staff and care workers followed by other key workers. The BMA and other medical groups are not exactly content with how this is going and you can see what is starting to happen in care homes.
Finally there is coordination with other governments and international agencies over best practice and sharing data and workloads for how the virus spreads and how vaccines and tests can be developed.
So plenty the government can improve on."
You are correct in saying that I'm using individual WHO guidance. I don't actually know what they are saying to governments around the globe.
I don't disagree with contact tracing now that we're in a 'lockdown'. It would certainly be easier than everyone roaming free. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"What more can we/government do to help in this situation?
I'm not asking about the lack of PPE etc. As far as I'm concerned that has been debated more than enough.
The reason I ask is I have taken the advice from WHO (below) and it would appear that we as a country are actually going above and beyond.
Here is the advice:
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth.
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Keep up to date on the latest COVID-19 hotspots (cities or local areas where COVID-19 is spreading widely). If possible, avoid traveling to places – especially if you are an older person or have diabetes, heart or lung disease.
Why? You have a higher chance of catching COVID-19 in one of these areas.
This should not turn political. If you want to get political about it then hop off here and go to the politics section.
You are correctly stating the WHO guidance to individuals.
That is not the same as government action. The WHO guidance at government level is for contact tracing and testing. As a country this has barely even begun. This both reduces transmission and increases the availability of medical staff.
The next government responsibility is the provision and distribution of PPE to frontline medical staff and care workers followed by other key workers. The BMA and other medical groups are not exactly content with how this is going and you can see what is starting to happen in care homes.
Finally there is coordination with other governments and international agencies over best practice and sharing data and workloads for how the virus spreads and how vaccines and tests can be developed.
So plenty the government can improve on.
You are correct in saying that I'm using individual WHO guidance. I don't actually know what they are saying to governments around the globe.
I don't disagree with contact tracing now that we're in a 'lockdown'. It would certainly be easier than everyone roaming free."
Contact tracing is what South Korea, Taiwan and Germany have done.
The countries with the lowest infection and mortality rates. Without travel bans and without lock downs.
It's almost as if the WHO knew what they were talking about  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What more can we/government do to help in this situation?
I'm not asking about the lack of PPE etc. As far as I'm concerned that has been debated more than enough.
The reason I ask is I have taken the advice from WHO (below) and it would appear that we as a country are actually going above and beyond.
Here is the advice:
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth.
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Keep up to date on the latest COVID-19 hotspots (cities or local areas where COVID-19 is spreading widely). If possible, avoid traveling to places – especially if you are an older person or have diabetes, heart or lung disease.
Why? You have a higher chance of catching COVID-19 in one of these areas.
This should not turn political. If you want to get political about it then hop off here and go to the politics section.
You are correctly stating the WHO guidance to individuals.
That is not the same as government action. The WHO guidance at government level is for contact tracing and testing. As a country this has barely even begun. This both reduces transmission and increases the availability of medical staff.
The next government responsibility is the provision and distribution of PPE to frontline medical staff and care workers followed by other key workers. The BMA and other medical groups are not exactly content with how this is going and you can see what is starting to happen in care homes.
Finally there is coordination with other governments and international agencies over best practice and sharing data and workloads for how the virus spreads and how vaccines and tests can be developed.
So plenty the government can improve on.
You are correct in saying that I'm using individual WHO guidance. I don't actually know what they are saying to governments around the globe.
I don't disagree with contact tracing now that we're in a 'lockdown'. It would certainly be easier than everyone roaming free.
Contact tracing is what South Korea, Taiwan and Germany have done.
The countries with the lowest infection and mortality rates. Without travel bans and without lock downs.
It's almost as if the WHO knew what they were talking about "
But I'd say we are way too far into it now if we were to start contact tracing without a lockdown.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing. "
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?"
Giving up smoking is one problem, staying off them is another. I think its possible to stop the transmission of the virus but any return to so called normality will guarantee its return. If the UK got the number of new cases down to zero, clampdown on air travel and introduce mandatory screening and self isolation at all points of entry, I think it could be done. This is hypothetical and would require the UK to relinquish Northern Ireland. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?"
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated"
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement, |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement, "
To date there are no vaccines for SARS, MERS or Ebola. The Spanish flu was too agressive, it ran out of hosts and killed itself off. |
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The most effective thing would be use the time to get yourself healthy with a BMI within accepted norms, to reverse any type 2 diabetes and lower blood pressure. Shed as many pre-existing medical conditions you can before you catch it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement,
To date there are no vaccines for SARS, MERS or Ebola. The Spanish flu was too agressive, it ran out of hosts and killed itself off. "
There was a possible vaccine for SARS but by the time it was ready for trial the epidemic was over and so was shelved. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement,
To date there are no vaccines for SARS, MERS or Ebola. The Spanish flu was too agressive, it ran out of hosts and killed itself off. "
And MERS isn't easily transmitted between people so whilst there's no vaccine for it. It has never spread as Covid-19 has |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement,
To date there are no vaccines for SARS, MERS or Ebola. The Spanish flu was too agressive, it ran out of hosts and killed itself off. "
These diseases are most infectious when the patients are showing symptoms and the virus is not that persistent outside the in body.
I also don't think that there were asymptomatic carriers.
Unfortunately, with Covid-19 the virus can be spread by those with no symptoms and can hang around on surfaces for hours.
That's why it has spread so much further and will be harder to remove. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement,
To date there are no vaccines for SARS, MERS or Ebola. The Spanish flu was too agressive, it ran out of hosts and killed itself off.
These diseases are most infectious when the patients are showing symptoms and the virus is not that persistent outside the in body.
I also don't think that there were asymptomatic carriers.
Unfortunately, with Covid-19 the virus can be spread by those with no symptoms and can hang around on surfaces for hours.
That's why it has spread so much further and will be harder to remove."
Ebola takes up to 3 weeks for symptoms to appear but my point is, how come in over 20 years, we still haven't developed herd immunity to the viruses I mentioned. As far as I know, isolation and contact tracing are the most effective weapons against its spread. I think, and it's only my considered opinion that we have to stop providing new hosts for CV19. |
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"It is an evolving situation and if other countries are anything to go by, community transmission seems now to make up 2/3 of all diagnosed cases. At the start it was travel and then getting it from someone in your social circle, maybe a friend or family member.
Now its just being where other people are, that maybe are completely asymptomatic.
The other possible vector is shared surfaces, things like door handles, atm machines and mail.
Its incredibly frustrating and I hate doing it but I think you have to wash/decontaminate your shopping and mail. I don't wash everything somethings I let sit to decontaminate in a plastic box.
So for you it's pretty much just a case of being extra careful and trying to contaminate what you can?
I can only do so much and it's incredibly frustrating that regardless of how careful I am, the actions of someone else can cancel out anything I do.
Do I believe that govt and industry could do more, yes they could but its going to require people buying into it. As much as I hate it, the lockdown should be expanded, freedom of movement has to be curtailed. Public parks should be locked shut. Movement should be limited to a maximum of 2km. In larger cities, supermarkets could becoming delivery only. I think that gyms and sports centres should be repurposed for essential workers to shower and change. Essential workers could also be ringfenced from the general population and given their own accomadation. I don't think half measures work, we got to get ahead of this and that is going to require massive restrictions in personal freedoms, which is very dangerous for a democracy.
The other thing that will help will be some form of contact tracing.
Do you think we can eradicate the virus ?
As much as people keep rubbishing the term "herd immunity", that is the only was this gets eradicated either naturally through enough of the population being exposed and developing antibodies or through vaccination.
The problem has always been about doing this at a pace that doesn't overwhelm the medical services and can keep the vulnerable out of harm's way. Remember that even many fit and healthy people still need significant care to survive.
Otherwise, as soon as someone with the disease arrives we end up in the same place.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/feb/05/-sp-watch-how-measles-outbreak-spreads-when-kids-get-vaccinated
We have often disagreed over things but in this we are in total agreement,
To date there are no vaccines for SARS, MERS or Ebola. The Spanish flu was too agressive, it ran out of hosts and killed itself off.
These diseases are most infectious when the patients are showing symptoms and the virus is not that persistent outside the in body.
I also don't think that there were asymptomatic carriers.
Unfortunately, with Covid-19 the virus can be spread by those with no symptoms and can hang around on surfaces for hours.
That's why it has spread so much further and will be harder to remove.
Ebola takes up to 3 weeks for symptoms to appear but my point is, how come in over 20 years, we still haven't developed herd immunity to the viruses I mentioned. As far as I know, isolation and contact tracing are the most effective weapons against its spread. I think, and it's only my considered opinion that we have to stop providing new hosts for CV19."
Ebola has been around for about 40 years if I'm not mistaken.
The simple answer as to why we haven't developed herd immunity to those mentioned is that not enough people have actually contracted them. |
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