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over a year ago
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I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
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It's simple, what would happen of you don't? If the answer is: she won't be able to take care of herself, she will starve and potentially die or she really risks to have permanent injuries and issues, you should go.
If the answer is she would just be a bit sad you shouldn't. |
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"We are allowed to help vulnerable people...get their shopping, leave it on doorstep. I’m doing it for an 82 year old...."
Yes but I go a step further and sit and have a cuppa....but while we live miles apart this is the only social undistanced we both have. |
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"It's simple, what would happen of you don't? If the answer is: she won't be able to take care of herself, she will starve and potentially die or she really risks to have permanent injuries and issues, you should go.
If the answer is she would just be a bit sad you shouldn't."
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"We are allowed to help vulnerable people...get their shopping, leave it on doorstep. I’m doing it for an 82 year old...."
Indeed, assisting vulnerable people is one thing that's needed in times like this but it's the idiots trying to justify stupid reasons as to why rules don't apply to them. |
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By *abs..Woman
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People should be helped and supported otherwise that makes us callous and uncaring but the best way to protect is to distance so I would say do what you have to do to get to her what she needs, drop it on the doorstep, talk on the phone but not stay for a cuppa. A cuppa is not essential but contact is. Going into the home isn’t safe. Two households shouldn’t mix. |
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
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How I see is prior planning preparation prevents piss poor performance. Well done |
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"We are allowed to help vulnerable people...get their shopping, leave it on doorstep. I’m doing it for an 82 year old....
Indeed, assisting vulnerable people is one thing that's needed in times like this but it's the idiots trying to justify stupid reasons as to why rules don't apply to them. "
Exactly as I said its not always black and white and I've no doubt their will be more in a similar position to me...sometimes I feel the system cannot work for all |
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"People should be helped and supported otherwise that makes us callous and uncaring but the best way to protect is to distance so I would say do what you have to do to get to her what she needs, drop it on the doorstep, talk on the phone but not stay for a cuppa. A cuppa is not essential but contact is. Going into the home isn’t safe. Two households shouldn’t mix. "
I get you babs but on this one...believe me the cuppa time is needed and while it's two households, it's two single people living in them two household who do not have any other contact...well apart from me shopping ,but that's with gloves goggles and a FFP3 face mask |
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
How I see is prior planning preparation prevents piss poor performance. Well done "
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
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I'm doing this for several people and been told its allowed. I have been stopped twice now and both times they were happy that it was essential x |
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The guide on social distancing says people who need to be stringent are those who are over 70, under 70 with underlying conditions, and pregnant people.
Also says people can recieve essential care from friends or family and that the carers should take extra precautions.
I don't even think you're breaking any rules.
Hope you and yourdaughter are ok.
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over a year ago
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
I'm doing this for several people and been told its allowed. I have been stopped twice now and both times they were happy that it was essential x "
Phew that's good to know as I havent been stopped yet...but had a few comments from neighbour's about me going out in the car every day...put them right though...well I hope I have as as their reply is ...ah x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The guide on social distancing says people who need to be stringent are those who are over 70, under 70 with underlying conditions, and pregnant people.
Also says people can recieve essential care from friends or family and that the carers should take extra precautions.
I don't even think you're breaking any rules.
Hope you and yourdaughter are ok.
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She is but every night when I get home I get a sore throat and cough....always goes the next morning so I think we are all getting little panic attack through this bugger eh  |
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"The guide on social distancing says people who need to be stringent are those who are over 70, under 70 with underlying conditions, and pregnant people.
Also says people can recieve essential care from friends or family and that the carers should take extra precautions.
I don't even think you're breaking any rules.
Hope you and yourdaughter are ok.
She is but every night when I get home I get a sore throat and cough....always goes the next morning so I think we are all getting little panic attack through this bugger eh "
Probably is all the chatting you do. |
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"We are allowed to help vulnerable people...get their shopping, leave it on doorstep. I’m doing it for an 82 year old....
Indeed, assisting vulnerable people is one thing that's needed in times like this but it's the idiots trying to justify stupid reasons as to why rules don't apply to them.
Exactly as I said its not always black and white and I've no doubt their will be more in a similar position to me...sometimes I feel the system cannot work for all "
I look after my 82 year old neighbour. I feel she needs a cuppa and a chat but I don’t go in her home as we practice the social distancing advice. I would hate to think I’m a carrier from going to the shop and then pass it to her. |
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Sorry, you can take her shopping to her so she doesn't go hungry, though you should be doing this in bulk to minimise trips. You can call her to see how she is, but you should not be going in and having cups of tea, PPE or not. You put her at risk every time you take something from outside inside. And that definitely includes yourself. Have video chats with her if the face to face interaction is required. The virus doesn't care how well intentioned a trip is. Ultimately, ask yourself, is the cup of tea worth potentially killing her? |
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"Sorry, you can take her shopping to her so she doesn't go hungry, though you should be doing this in bulk to minimise trips. You can call her to see how she is, but you should not be going in and having cups of tea, PPE or not. You put her at risk every time you take something from outside inside. And that definitely includes yourself. Have video chats with her if the face to face interaction is required. The virus doesn't care how well intentioned a trip is. Ultimately, ask yourself, is the cup of tea worth potentially killing her?"
But does a father and daughter or a full family not potentially kill each other every day when one goes shopping? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The guide on social distancing says people who need to be stringent are those who are over 70, under 70 with underlying conditions, and pregnant people.
Also says people can recieve essential care from friends or family and that the carers should take extra precautions.
I don't even think you're breaking any rules.
Hope you and yourdaughter are ok.
She is but every night when I get home I get a sore throat and cough....always goes the next morning so I think we are all getting little panic attack through this bugger eh
Probably is all the chatting you do. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
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Carers, formal or informal, are allowed to carry on. |
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"Sorry, you can take her shopping to her so she doesn't go hungry, though you should be doing this in bulk to minimise trips. You can call her to see how she is, but you should not be going in and having cups of tea, PPE or not. You put her at risk every time you take something from outside inside. And that definitely includes yourself. Have video chats with her if the face to face interaction is required. The virus doesn't care how well intentioned a trip is. Ultimately, ask yourself, is the cup of tea worth potentially killing her?
But does a father and daughter or a full family not potentially kill each other every day when one goes shopping?"
Yes they do, but there is no alternative in a situation where they all co habit. They should also be keeping trips to places like the supermarket to the absolute minimum. |
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"Sorry, you can take her shopping to her so she doesn't go hungry, though you should be doing this in bulk to minimise trips. You can call her to see how she is, but you should not be going in and having cups of tea, PPE or not. You put her at risk every time you take something from outside inside. And that definitely includes yourself. Have video chats with her if the face to face interaction is required. The virus doesn't care how well intentioned a trip is. Ultimately, ask yourself, is the cup of tea worth potentially killing her?
But does a father and daughter or a full family not potentially kill each other every day when one goes shopping?
Yes they do, but there is no alternative in a situation where they all co habit. They should also be keeping trips to places like the supermarket to the absolute minimum."
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
Carers, formal or informal, are allowed to carry on. "
Albeit social distancing unless you have to be hands on? |
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over a year ago
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
Carers, formal or informal, are allowed to carry on. "
Now I did not know that...well i did not pick it up from my letter of boris yesterday. |
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
Carers, formal or informal, are allowed to carry on.
Albeit social distancing unless you have to be hands on? "
It's more about the psychological effects that are needed for wellbeing |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"People should be helped and supported otherwise that makes us callous and uncaring but the best way to protect is to distance so I would say do what you have to do to get to her what she needs, drop it on the doorstep, talk on the phone but not stay for a cuppa. A cuppa is not essential but contact is. Going into the home isn’t safe. Two households shouldn’t mix.
I get you babs but on this one...believe me the cuppa time is needed and while it's two households, it's two single people living in them two household who do not have any other contact...well apart from me shopping ,but that's with gloves goggles and a FFP3 face mask "
If she is happy and you are happy with the arrangement then carry on, you are doing a great job, yes there is a risk but with the right precautions its not as big as crossing a busy road |
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
Carers, formal or informal, are allowed to carry on.
Albeit social distancing unless you have to be hands on?
It's more about the psychological effects that are needed for wellbeing "
If you are unsure of anything, the government advice is widely available and very easy to understand. This virus is deadly, it’s a killer hence why we need to follow the rules. It seems some people in the UK are making up their own rules. |
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"I noticed a lot are real sticklers to the lockdown rules...but nothing is black and white in life unfortunately.
Now for some reason I have been missed off the shielded list,and believe me I should be on it...but it's a godsend that I'm not on it as I'm a carer for someone else who surprise surprise as also slipped through the net.
She as myself many underlying problems, plus she has mental health problems, but one is agoraphobia.
We live apart and every day I call to see things are ok with a physical visit and top up her shopping as my own.
I am the only visitor she gets as even her mental health visits have came to a halt due to covid.
I planned for this a good few months ago buying decent PPE as I could see this happening.
So am I breaking the rules and if you think so....please tell me how you would have done it differently?
Carers, formal or informal, are allowed to carry on.
Albeit social distancing unless you have to be hands on?
It's more about the psychological effects that are needed for wellbeing
If you are unsure of anything, the government advice is widely available and very easy to understand. This virus is deadly, it’s a killer hence why we need to follow the rules. It seems some people in the UK are making up their own rules. "
As I said it's not all black and white when it comes to looking after someone you love...I didn't see it in the letter but another poster did. And 8m well aware of the seriousness of the virus as I've been following it since January |
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"People should be helped and supported otherwise that makes us callous and uncaring but the best way to protect is to distance so I would say do what you have to do to get to her what she needs, drop it on the doorstep, talk on the phone but not stay for a cuppa. A cuppa is not essential but contact is. Going into the home isn’t safe. Two households shouldn’t mix.
I get you babs but on this one...believe me the cuppa time is needed and while it's two households, it's two single people living in them two household who do not have any other contact...well apart from me shopping ,but that's with gloves goggles and a FFP3 face mask
If she is happy and you are happy with the arrangement then carry on, you are doing a great job, yes there is a risk but with the right precautions its not as big as crossing a busy road"
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As I said it's not all black and white when it comes to looking after someone you love...I didn't see it in the letter but another poster did. And 8m well aware of the seriousness of the virus as I've been following it since January "
if a carer for someone with special needs or mental health then I've been told that you can carry on... on some cases this includes the more social side.
One of the gents I'm seeing once a week has had all his other carers cut.. I'm localish and been asked by his mother to carry on. ( she is on lockdown herself) Hes not seeing his mental health team either. The other week they did send a carer in to see him that was new. She went in wearing full PPE. He freaked.. locked himself in a room and wouldnt come out. His mother was called and then I was called. I had to coax him out his room. Now we have convinced him that anyone that he sees wearing a mask or ppe is a superhero..fighting against the supervillain covid19. ( it was the best I could come to with on the spot)
I still see him and that includes a cuppa although I do sit outside where possible... as I said I've been told a carer be it informal or formal can still do things and some people you need to still keep up some sort of social interaction.
As I've said in other posts it's not black and white....and I genuinely believe that the suicide rates will be ridiculously bad this year and possibly next year in.
I've already been asked by two major phone lines If I have some spare time to cover lines for mental health as its becoming a huge issue. |
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As I said it's not all black and white when it comes to looking after someone you love...I didn't see it in the letter but another poster did. And 8m well aware of the seriousness of the virus as I've been following it since January if a carer for someone with special needs or mental health then I've been told that you can carry on... on some cases this includes the more social side.
One of the gents I'm seeing once a week has had all his other carers cut.. I'm localish and been asked by his mother to carry on. ( she is on lockdown herself) Hes not seeing his mental health team either. The other week they did send a carer in to see him that was new. She went in wearing full PPE. He freaked.. locked himself in a room and wouldnt come out. His mother was called and then I was called. I had to coax him out his room. Now we have convinced him that anyone that he sees wearing a mask or ppe is a superhero..fighting against the supervillain covid19. ( it was the best I could come to with on the spot)
I still see him and that includes a cuppa although I do sit outside where possible... as I said I've been told a carer be it informal or formal can still do things and some people you need to still keep up some sort of social interaction.
As I've said in other posts it's not black and white....and I genuinely believe that the suicide rates will be ridiculously bad this year and possibly next year in.
I've already been asked by two major phone lines If I have some spare time to cover lines for mental health as its becoming a huge issue. "
You sound like a little gem...thank god there are people like you working in the care service |
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Hello my dear friend. Knowing your situation, you are perfectly right to do what you are. You are both aware of the risks. I do the same with my 90 year old Dad and I have explained fully the risks to him. His mental health would definitely suffer, if we didn't have a cup of tea together, once a week. We lost 2 close family members just before Christmas, who he misses desperately and he would deteriorate very quickly, if he didn't see me. So you carry on, you know what is best for her  xxx |
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"Hello my dear friend. Knowing your situation, you are perfectly right to do what you are. You are both aware of the risks. I do the same with my 90 year old Dad and I have explained fully the risks to him. His mental health would definitely suffer, if we didn't have a cup of tea together, once a week. We lost 2 close family members just before Christmas, who he misses desperately and he would deteriorate very quickly, if he didn't see me. So you carry on, you know what is best for her xxx"
Cheers sami as I said it's not all black and white is it. There is a very fine line in it all to balance the if we do and if we dont in it all. If we do it responsibly and we are not putting anyone else at risk, we are doing all we can
How is your dad and Barry and yourself doing? Xx |
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"Hello my dear friend. Knowing your situation, you are perfectly right to do what you are. You are both aware of the risks. I do the same with my 90 year old Dad and I have explained fully the risks to him. His mental health would definitely suffer, if we didn't have a cup of tea together, once a week. We lost 2 close family members just before Christmas, who he misses desperately and he would deteriorate very quickly, if he didn't see me. So you carry on, you know what is best for her xxx
Cheers sami as I said it's not all black and white is it. There is a very fine line in it all to balance the if we do and if we dont in it all. If we do it responsibly and we are not putting anyone else at risk, we are doing all we can
How is your dad and Barry and yourself doing? Xx"
No it's not all black and white and we have to think of the alternative, if we don't visit them, don't we. Thank you, we're doing ok and hope you are too. We just have to try and keep us all safe, in the circumstances. Xxx |
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