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"Really saddened by this. I'm a big fan. Wish him a super speedy recovery. We need you bo jo!! "A fan??? | |||
"Really saddened by this. I'm a big fan. Wish him a super speedy recovery. We need you bo jo!!
A fan???"hell yes!! Love him adore him! | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago." Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator?" That we know of, just the fact they've taken him to ICU is a strong combat indicator. | |||
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"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator?" Your other thread was removed yet you add to this  | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? That we know of, just the fact they've taken him to ICU is a strong combat indicator." The fact he’s taken to ICU could be because he required more observations. But what we know statistically it’s going to be viewed as not great in his favour. The fact he’s not on a ventilator yet is a positive in his favour. I hope he does pull through as he’s a human and deserves that respect. But that’s not me saying I’m a fan | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? Your other thread was removed yet you add to this "I am not aware of anything I have said being against forum rules. I am merely pointing out that there are those who required ventilators and survived. So why are people so negative about the PMs condition? Plenty of threads get deleted and has nothing to do with the OP. | |||
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"Genuinely hope Boris makes a full and speedy recovery. We really like the man. He is down to earth and realistic, and he has done a damn good job since coming into power." This | |||
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"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator?" I thought they said on the news, he is on a ventilator as he conditions got worse. I don't wish coronavirus on my worse enemy.  | |||
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"I dont want the man today but I'm still going to keep criticising his (and his governments) incompetence That being said at least we dont have trump in this scenario " *to die | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? I thought they said on the news, he is on a ventilator as he conditions got worse. I don't wish coronavirus on my worse enemy. "Mr Johnson's office says he is conscious and does not require ventilation at the moment. | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago." I'm glad I'm not on social media, everyone seems heartless at the moment. We are all on the same side and that is the living. I really do hope people start to reunite rather then make political digs. You can do this Boris
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"Please get better Bojo . We finally get a decent pm and then this happens . Get well soon , and for anyone else suffering with this , get well soon too "Would hardly call him a 'decent PM' | |||
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"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? That we know of, just the fact they've taken him to ICU is a strong combat indicator." didnt Russia get a telling off for claiming he was on a ventilator hrs before he was even taken to IC. Hmmmm bit fishy | |||
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"The thing is Messrs Raab, Duncan Smith and Gove stuck the boot into China. Now Raab is charge, is China lining up to give us a nuclear kicking? The future's the wrong brightness "Don't you ever stop? | |||
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"I would bet any money that boris comes through same as Prince Charles " Let's hope so although I don't completely understand the whole Prince Charles situation. As I understand it he was only told to isolate for a week, as far as I'm aware if you have been tested positive you are supposed to isolate for 14 days as it can take that long for symptoms to appear. I don't understand why he was only told to isolate for 7-days. | |||
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"I would bet any money that boris comes through same as Prince Charles Let's hope so although I don't completely understand the whole Prince Charles situation. As I understand it he was only told to isolate for a week, as far as I'm aware if you have been tested positive you are supposed to isolate for 14 days as it can take that long for symptoms to appear. I don't understand why he was only told to isolate for 7-days." 14 days is the self isolation guidance by World Health Organisation, unless they've been tested again where the results return negative, that's fine go back to normal, but if it's self diagnosed before 14 days, is dangerous I think | |||
"The thing is Messrs Raab, Duncan Smith and Gove stuck the boot into China. Now Raab is charge, is China lining up to give us a nuclear kicking? The future's the wrong brightness
Don't you ever stop? "In a word......no | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? I thought they said on the news, he is on a ventilator as he conditions got worse. I don't wish coronavirus on my worse enemy. "you obviously can’t read properly | |||
"His odds aren't good statistically, but personally I hope he pulls through it. I'm seeing a lot of spite aimed at him across social media tonight from people who were using the 'be kind' hashtag not that long ago. Why would you say that when he isn't even on a ventilator? I thought they said on the news, he is on a ventilator as he conditions got worse. I don't wish coronavirus on my worse enemy. you obviously can’t read properly" | |||
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"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon " Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. | |||
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"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country." Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be. | |||
"Please get better Bojo . We finally get a decent pm and then this happens . Get well soon , and for anyone else suffering with this , get well soon too
Would hardly call him a 'decent PM'"Many may agree with you about calling him a 'decent PM' but is that really relevant. The man is ill, possibly fighting for his life. Where's your humanity? Johnson has followed the expert advice on his handling of this crisis and, whilst I have some criticism of some aspects of the policies and there implementation, I don't believe that Corbyn, if he too was following the expert advice, would have done anything much different. I genuinely wish Johnson a speedy recovery to full health. And to those that wish otherwise, do you really think that anything would be any better if Mad Bad Dominic Raad was left in charge permanently? | |||
"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be." UK invest less money in NHS than most (I think only Ireland and Luxembourg spend less) EU countries spend for their public healthcare. This is a fact. It is also a fact that UK is not able to tests as many people as any other country and does have very few ventilators. These are all things that money can fix. | |||
"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be." Can you detail the fraud,corruption and staff abuse..examples if you can. What exactly is a "gold plated pension? Agree with the porters and cleaners..they are right at the bottom...still after brexit we will have no problems filling those roles. | |||
"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be." I'm not qualified to speak on the funding of the NHS however I do know that it is massively abused I used to work for the ambulance service and have first hand experience of this, from people that called for an ambulance every day (we had to attend every call) to people that seemed to think hospitals were a hotel and were obsessed with being admitted for a few days R&R | |||
"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be. I'm not qualified to speak on the funding of the NHS however I do know that it is massively abused I used to work for the ambulance service and have first hand experience of this, from people that called for an ambulance every day (we had to attend every call) to people that seemed to think hospitals were a hotel and were obsessed with being admitted for a few days R&R "That's nothing to do with corruption,waste or staff abuse though. That's the general public being dickheads. | |||
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"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be." Generally the private sector pays much more for the same job role as the public sector. Yes the pension are a bit better but its a case of getting 5-10k less per year for 40 years of working or getting 5k more per year for about 15 years of retirement once your 68 if you make it that far. | |||
"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be. Generally the private sector pays much more for the same job role as the public sector. Yes the pension are a bit better but its a case of getting 5-10k less per year for 40 years of working or getting 5k more per year for about 15 years of retirement once your 68 if you make it that far." Our pensions got slashed a few years ago..we are paying more,working longer and getting less. The 'gold plated 'pension is a daily mail soundbite. | |||
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"We absolutely love the man. He is just so funny and charming when you actually meet him. I’m sure he will get through this, he’s a tough bugger. " I have met him, admittedly before he even became Mayor, and I'm still unimpressed with him as a human being. Having said that, I still wish him a swift recovery. | |||
"Some basic examples. Corruption - The NHS pays £128+VAT for an aid that can be bought on the open market from any retailer for ~£55 incl. VAT. Staff popping in claims for this and claims for that, overtime claims for times they were not on site etc. I have seen staff caught out in such fraud and yep, you guessed it, the unions jump in and nothing more is said about the matter. Staff routinely taking bits and bobs home with them, packs of gloves, the NHS has plenty they won't miss a box - that is theft! You'd rarely see internal theft happen in a private sector organisation, but it's commonplace in the NHS. Corruption at PCT level, specifically with GP's whereby drug company reps literally visit every week and openly offer to pay them money, and other incentives, to prescribe X brand drug instead of the cheaper Y generic drug. GP's "monitoring" patients who clearly have no risk of diabetes as 'at risk' because it gains them more funding. And a range of other conditions being 'diagnosed' because it attracts extra funding. At PCT level I've also seen GP surgeries rush around fixing monumental issues and becoming compliant with training and missing DBS certificates, because the CQC have ANNOUNCED they will be visiting in x weeks time to assess the practice. Patients DNA'ing clinic and surgery appointments on a regular basis without penalty - I've seen clinics in high demand with 40% DNA figures!! Patients defrauding the prescription system. My NHS pension in 1 year, was worth more than 5 years in the private sector. Ask any NHS employee what they pay into their pension, and what the NHS pays in, and you'll soon see what I mean. And that's before unlike a private sector pension which is essentially risked on the stock market, and usually becomes worthless by the time you come to collect it (sods law), the NHS pension scheme is basically funded by the taxpayer so it's never at risk of devaluation by the time you come to collect it. Of course everyone in the NHS will claim their pensions are crap, because they did used to be better. But if they were to step out into the real world and see what private sector pensions are like, and how risky they are as an investment, they'd soon realise what a great deal they've got. But few will admit it, because it makes for a good cry whenever the unions want to kick up a fuss and gain some public support. " Ive worked in a supermarket where when we were due to get a visit from health and safety they increased staffing levels by 200% to ensure the deliveries were worked in time. Spent more on the cleaning department and gave the store a deep clean in the days running up to the visit and fixing broken equipment. Pretty much the same as you claim happen in PCT. With regards the pension i guess that depends what your putting into it but you cannot say 1 year of your nhs pension is worth 5 years of.private because you dont know what your private pension is until you draw it (unless you have a defined benefit scheme which will be better than any public sector pension due to the better wages). As you said most pensions are based on the stock market so its very dependant on when you retire. If you retire in a bull market you will have alot more than if you retire on a bare market. Same as if you put the bare minimum 1% into your pension | |||
"Some basic examples. Corruption - The NHS pays £128+VAT for an aid that can be bought on the open market from any retailer for ~£55 incl. VAT. Staff popping in claims for this and claims for that, overtime claims for times they were not on site etc. I have seen staff caught out in such fraud and yep, you guessed it, the unions jump in and nothing more is said about the matter. Staff routinely taking bits and bobs home with them, packs of gloves, the NHS has plenty they won't miss a box - that is theft! You'd rarely see internal theft happen in a private sector organisation, but it's commonplace in the NHS. Corruption at PCT level, specifically with GP's whereby drug company reps literally visit every week and openly offer to pay them money, and other incentives, to prescribe X brand drug instead of the cheaper Y generic drug. GP's "monitoring" patients who clearly have no risk of diabetes as 'at risk' because it gains them more funding. And a range of other conditions being 'diagnosed' because it attracts extra funding. At PCT level I've also seen GP surgeries rush around fixing monumental issues and becoming compliant with training and missing DBS certificates, because the CQC have ANNOUNCED they will be visiting in x weeks time to assess the practice. Patients DNA'ing clinic and surgery appointments on a regular basis without penalty - I've seen clinics in high demand with 40% DNA figures!! Patients defrauding the prescription system. My NHS pension in 1 year, was worth more than 5 years in the private sector. Ask any NHS employee what they pay into their pension, and what the NHS pays in, and you'll soon see what I mean. And that's before unlike a private sector pension which is essentially risked on the stock market, and usually becomes worthless by the time you come to collect it (sods law), the NHS pension scheme is basically funded by the taxpayer so it's never at risk of devaluation by the time you come to collect it. Of course everyone in the NHS will claim their pensions are crap, because they did used to be better. But if they were to step out into the real world and see what private sector pensions are like, and how risky they are as an investment, they'd soon realise what a great deal they've got. But few will admit it, because it makes for a good cry whenever the unions want to kick up a fuss and gain some public support. " Ok there is a lot there If you claim for overtime and dont do it..that's fraud.I work in the public sector..you would be sacked on the spot for that. I'm sure pilfering goes on in every single organisation in the world..not just the NHS. The pct..is that not the private companies doing the fraud. Patients defrauding the NHS system..well that's not the fault of the NHS system is it? You say private sector as if it's one entity.Some private com offer amazing pensions. If others have been devalued well that's not a reason to pull everyone down in a race to the bottom. You didnt mention pay..I work in the public sector and we didnt get a pay rise for 6 years..now we are getting lauded by the likes of Johnson.The hypocrisy is off the scale. The NHS is a huge massive business..there will be wastage and abuse as there is in almost every business on the planet. Let's cut to the chase here..the tories dont want a welfare system..they dont want a free NHS..they want to leave everything to the market.Its in their DNA. I'd (maybe)have more respect for them if they were upfront about it. | |||
"Some basic examples. Corruption - The NHS pays £128+VAT for an aid that can be bought on the open market from any retailer for ~£55 incl. VAT. Staff popping in claims for this and claims for that, overtime claims for times they were not on site etc. I have seen staff caught out in such fraud and yep, you guessed it, the unions jump in and nothing more is said about the matter. Staff routinely taking bits and bobs home with them, packs of gloves, the NHS has plenty they won't miss a box - that is theft! You'd rarely see internal theft happen in a private sector organisation, but it's commonplace in the NHS. Corruption at PCT level, specifically with GP's whereby drug company reps literally visit every week and openly offer to pay them money, and other incentives, to prescribe X brand drug instead of the cheaper Y generic drug. GP's "monitoring" patients who clearly have no risk of diabetes as 'at risk' because it gains them more funding. And a range of other conditions being 'diagnosed' because it attracts extra funding. At PCT level I've also seen GP surgeries rush around fixing monumental issues and becoming compliant with training and missing DBS certificates, because the CQC have ANNOUNCED they will be visiting in x weeks time to assess the practice. Patients DNA'ing clinic and surgery appointments on a regular basis without penalty - I've seen clinics in high demand with 40% DNA figures!! Patients defrauding the prescription system. My NHS pension in 1 year, was worth more than 5 years in the private sector. Ask any NHS employee what they pay into their pension, and what the NHS pays in, and you'll soon see what I mean. And that's before unlike a private sector pension which is essentially risked on the stock market, and usually becomes worthless by the time you come to collect it (sods law), the NHS pension scheme is basically funded by the taxpayer so it's never at risk of devaluation by the time you come to collect it. Of course everyone in the NHS will claim their pensions are crap, because they did used to be better. But if they were to step out into the real world and see what private sector pensions are like, and how risky they are as an investment, they'd soon realise what a great deal they've got. But few will admit it, because it makes for a good cry whenever the unions want to kick up a fuss and gain some public support. Ive worked in a supermarket where when we were due to get a visit from health and safety they increased staffing levels by 200% to ensure the deliveries were worked in time. Spent more on the cleaning department and gave the store a deep clean in the days running up to the visit and fixing broken equipment. Pretty much the same as you claim happen in PCT. With regards the pension i guess that depends what your putting into it but you cannot say 1 year of your nhs pension is worth 5 years of.private because you dont know what your private pension is until you draw it (unless you have a defined benefit scheme which will be better than any public sector pension due to the better wages). As you said most pensions are based on the stock market so its very dependant on when you retire. If you retire in a bull market you will have alot more than if you retire on a bare market. Same as if you put the bare minimum 1% into your pension" With all due respect, something being done after the fact in a supermarket (health & safety, which is usually laid for by the company that runs the supermarket) is not the same as a GP surgery having less than 50% compliance because they've not been checked for x number of years and have simply not bothered. The CQC should not be announcing visits at all. The reason they do, is to allow the facilities to get up to standard first - because it is so well known that most sites are below standard 99% of time time they operate. Case in point; if a GP surgery employs 30 staff, and just 10% of them don't have a valid enhanced DBS check after x months of employment (I e seen it as years) then just think who could be dealing with patients and patient data, completely unchecked. And I'm not talking about 'bad' surgeries here, I'm talking about decent ones that simply fail to ensure they keep up with compliance. basic training at PCT level for non-clinical staff at some sites is absolutely scandalous. As for pensions, my contribution was roughly the same in both jobs. The difference here is the contribution made by the NHS Vs the contribution made by a private sector employer, and the fact the NHS is always secured by the taxpayer, whereas a private pension is always liable to become worthless if you happen to retire at the wrong time in the wrong market with the wrong pension scheme. | |||
"Some basic examples. Corruption - The NHS pays £128+VAT for an aid that can be bought on the open market from any retailer for ~£55 incl. VAT. Staff popping in claims for this and claims for that, overtime claims for times they were not on site etc. I have seen staff caught out in such fraud and yep, you guessed it, the unions jump in and nothing more is said about the matter. Staff routinely taking bits and bobs home with them, packs of gloves, the NHS has plenty they won't miss a box - that is theft! You'd rarely see internal theft happen in a private sector organisation, but it's commonplace in the NHS. Corruption at PCT level, specifically with GP's whereby drug company reps literally visit every week and openly offer to pay them money, and other incentives, to prescribe X brand drug instead of the cheaper Y generic drug. GP's "monitoring" patients who clearly have no risk of diabetes as 'at risk' because it gains them more funding. And a range of other conditions being 'diagnosed' because it attracts extra funding. At PCT level I've also seen GP surgeries rush around fixing monumental issues and becoming compliant with training and missing DBS certificates, because the CQC have ANNOUNCED they will be visiting in x weeks time to assess the practice. Patients DNA'ing clinic and surgery appointments on a regular basis without penalty - I've seen clinics in high demand with 40% DNA figures!! Patients defrauding the prescription system. My NHS pension in 1 year, was worth more than 5 years in the private sector. Ask any NHS employee what they pay into their pension, and what the NHS pays in, and you'll soon see what I mean. And that's before unlike a private sector pension which is essentially risked on the stock market, and usually becomes worthless by the time you come to collect it (sods law), the NHS pension scheme is basically funded by the taxpayer so it's never at risk of devaluation by the time you come to collect it. Of course everyone in the NHS will claim their pensions are crap, because they did used to be better. But if they were to step out into the real world and see what private sector pensions are like, and how risky they are as an investment, they'd soon realise what a great deal they've got. But few will admit it, because it makes for a good cry whenever the unions want to kick up a fuss and gain some public support. " What was your role? | |||
"Some basic examples. Corruption - The NHS pays £128+VAT for an aid that can be bought on the open market from any retailer for ~£55 incl. VAT. Staff popping in claims for this and claims for that, overtime claims for times they were not on site etc. I have seen staff caught out in such fraud and yep, you guessed it, the unions jump in and nothing more is said about the matter. Staff routinely taking bits and bobs home with them, packs of gloves, the NHS has plenty they won't miss a box - that is theft! You'd rarely see internal theft happen in a private sector organisation, but it's commonplace in the NHS. Corruption at PCT level, specifically with GP's whereby drug company reps literally visit every week and openly offer to pay them money, and other incentives, to prescribe X brand drug instead of the cheaper Y generic drug. GP's "monitoring" patients who clearly have no risk of diabetes as 'at risk' because it gains them more funding. And a range of other conditions being 'diagnosed' because it attracts extra funding. At PCT level I've also seen GP surgeries rush around fixing monumental issues and becoming compliant with training and missing DBS certificates, because the CQC have ANNOUNCED they will be visiting in x weeks time to assess the practice. Patients DNA'ing clinic and surgery appointments on a regular basis without penalty - I've seen clinics in high demand with 40% DNA figures!! Patients defrauding the prescription system. My NHS pension in 1 year, was worth more than 5 years in the private sector. Ask any NHS employee what they pay into their pension, and what the NHS pays in, and you'll soon see what I mean. And that's before unlike a private sector pension which is essentially risked on the stock market, and usually becomes worthless by the time you come to collect it (sods law), the NHS pension scheme is basically funded by the taxpayer so it's never at risk of devaluation by the time you come to collect it. Of course everyone in the NHS will claim their pensions are crap, because they did used to be better. But if they were to step out into the real world and see what private sector pensions are like, and how risky they are as an investment, they'd soon realise what a great deal they've got. But few will admit it, because it makes for a good cry whenever the unions want to kick up a fuss and gain some public support. Ive worked in a supermarket where when we were due to get a visit from health and safety they increased staffing levels by 200% to ensure the deliveries were worked in time. Spent more on the cleaning department and gave the store a deep clean in the days running up to the visit and fixing broken equipment. Pretty much the same as you claim happen in PCT. With regards the pension i guess that depends what your putting into it but you cannot say 1 year of your nhs pension is worth 5 years of.private because you dont know what your private pension is until you draw it (unless you have a defined benefit scheme which will be better than any public sector pension due to the better wages). As you said most pensions are based on the stock market so its very dependant on when you retire. If you retire in a bull market you will have alot more than if you retire on a bare market. Same as if you put the bare minimum 1% into your pension With all due respect, something being done after the fact in a supermarket (health & safety, which is usually laid for by the company that runs the supermarket) is not the same as a GP surgery having less than 50% compliance because they've not been checked for x number of years and have simply not bothered. The CQC should not be announcing visits at all. The reason they do, is to allow the facilities to get up to standard first - because it is so well known that most sites are below standard 99% of time time they operate. Case in point; if a GP surgery employs 30 staff, and just 10% of them don't have a valid enhanced DBS check after x months of employment (I e seen it as years) then just think who could be dealing with patients and patient data, completely unchecked. And I'm not talking about 'bad' surgeries here, I'm talking about decent ones that simply fail to ensure they keep up with compliance. basic training at PCT level for non-clinical staff at some sites is absolutely scandalous. As for pensions, my contribution was roughly the same in both jobs. The difference here is the contribution made by the NHS Vs the contribution made by a private sector employer, and the fact the NHS is always secured by the taxpayer, whereas a private pension is always liable to become worthless if you happen to retire at the wrong time in the wrong market with the wrong pension scheme. " The contribuion by the nhs doesnt affect your pension. That is based on your wages. How does your wage compare to what you were on i the nhs. You mis understood about the cleaning. That was before the inspection because environmental health announce all visits. | |||
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"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely?" I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer | |||
"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely? I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer" Yes you are. What I meant was..The point was made above about tax payers funding nurses pensions. Well they will do as indirectly they work for the gmnt. | |||
"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely? I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer Yes you are. What I meant was..The point was made above about tax payers funding nurses pensions. Well they will do as indirectly they work for the gmnt." The same could be said for any pensions. People who have a.sky subscription pay for the sky employees pensions. Going to tescos to get food you pay for their pensions. Nobody funds their pensions on their own. If you use a service your pay towards the pensions of the employees of that service. Everyone uses the government in one way or the other. | |||
"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely? I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer Yes you are. What I meant was..The point was made above about tax payers funding nurses pensions. Well they will do as indirectly they work for the gmnt. The same could be said for any pensions. People who have a.sky subscription pay for the sky employees pensions. Going to tescos to get food you pay for their pensions. Nobody funds their pensions on their own. If you use a service your pay towards the pensions of the employees of that service. Everyone uses the government in one way or the other. " Yeah true. | |||
"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely? I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer Yes you are. What I meant was..The point was made above about tax payers funding nurses pensions. Well they will do as indirectly they work for the gmnt. The same could be said for any pensions. People who have a.sky subscription pay for the sky employees pensions. Going to tescos to get food you pay for their pensions. Nobody funds their pensions on their own. If you use a service your pay towards the pensions of the employees of that service. Everyone uses the government in one way or the other. " It’s not the same private pensions payout based on S&s and bond performance , not sky subscriptions. Civil service pensions are underwritten by the tax payer , they simply pay out based on how long you stay in the public sector. Completely different that’s why private pensions are being hammered now losing millions but there’s zero effect on any public sector pension forecasts Google defined contribution vs Defined benefit. All gov. pensions are defined benefit. | |||
"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely? I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer Yes you are. What I meant was..The point was made above about tax payers funding nurses pensions. Well they will do as indirectly they work for the gmnt. The same could be said for any pensions. People who have a.sky subscription pay for the sky employees pensions. Going to tescos to get food you pay for their pensions. Nobody funds their pensions on their own. If you use a service your pay towards the pensions of the employees of that service. Everyone uses the government in one way or the other. It’s not the same private pensions payout based on S&s and bond performance , not sky subscriptions. Civil service pensions are underwritten by the tax payer , they simply pay out based on how long you stay in the public sector. Completely different that’s why private pensions are being hammered now losing millions but there’s zero effect on any public sector pension forecasts Google defined contribution vs Defined benefit. All gov. pensions are defined benefit. " So because people with private pensions are being hammered..this should apply to the public sector? | |||
"Get well soon Boris I think he will be a great leader and I hope he gets well soon Just remember him and, other Tories, voted against a pay rise for public sector workers, and cheered when the bill was defeated. Now his life is literally in their hands. I hope he comes through this with an unrelenting mission to fund the NHS properly and realise how all NHS workers are the real heroes of this country. Except the NHS is funded adequately; it's the system, the waste, the fraud, the corruption, the staff abuse of it, the patient abuse of it, the dodgy procurement, the inefficiency etc... (Not all, just a bad minority) which kills the NHS. You could throw £500 billion extra a year at the NHS and it would still be begining fir handouts. The clinical staff aren't badly paid, in comparison with the average private sector pay, a lot are paid very handsomely indeed, and that's before you consider the gold plated pensions that most in the private sector (who pay for it all) could only ever dream of. It's the HCA's and porters and cleaners etc who don't get remunerated as they should be. I'm not qualified to speak on the funding of the NHS however I do know that it is massively abused I used to work for the ambulance service and have first hand experience of this, from people that called for an ambulance every day (we had to attend every call) to people that seemed to think hospitals were a hotel and were obsessed with being admitted for a few days R&R
That's nothing to do with corruption,waste or staff abuse though.
That's the general public being dickheads."And that was the only point I was making | |||
"As for pensions..if you work for the gmnt the taxpayer will fund your pension surely? I was under the impressio if you.work you are a tax payer Yes you are. What I meant was..The point was made above about tax payers funding nurses pensions. Well they will do as indirectly they work for the gmnt. The same could be said for any pensions. People who have a.sky subscription pay for the sky employees pensions. Going to tescos to get food you pay for their pensions. Nobody funds their pensions on their own. If you use a service your pay towards the pensions of the employees of that service. Everyone uses the government in one way or the other. It’s not the same private pensions payout based on S&s and bond performance , not sky subscriptions. Civil service pensions are underwritten by the tax payer , they simply pay out based on how long you stay in the public sector. Completely different that’s why private pensions are being hammered now losing millions but there’s zero effect on any public sector pension forecasts Google defined contribution vs Defined benefit. All gov. pensions are defined benefit. " If the company is making a contribution to the pot the customer is supplying the money for it to do so. | |||
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"Just a update to Boris' health.. He's stable, on standard oxygen, and in good spirits.. No ventilation "Fantastic update | |||
"Just a update to Boris' health.. He's stable, on standard oxygen, and in good spirits.. No ventilation "That is very good to hear | |||
"Just a update to Boris' health.. He's stable, on standard oxygen, and in good spirits.. No ventilation
Fantastic update "Thank you 
Came in about 10-15mins ago  | |||
"Just a update to Boris' health.. He's stable, on standard oxygen, and in good spirits.. No ventilation
That is very good to hear "Fingers crossed, it'll stay that way and he can go safely home to his family | |||
