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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Coronavirus: World's 1.3 billion smokers urged to quit to reduce COVID-19 risks
The tobacco industry is urged to stop producing as evidence shows smokers who with COVID-19 become more seriously ill. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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What a load of nonsense. If you have weak lungs, COPD, heart disease or asthma - the risk is the same regardless of whether you smoke or not. I know plenty of smokers could out run the Netflix non smokers. Another one of those ‘more likely to be stabbed if you carry a knife’ for DM reader mentality |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Maybe I’m missing something here.. but isn’t it pretty obvious that if your a smoker your lungs aren’t exactly gonna be top notch?!
and yes I am an ex-smoker
Mrs x |
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It's a similar reason why smokers are more susceptible to thing's like asbestosis although that's more to do with plaque buildup and the tar in the lungs giving the asbestos fibres better cohesion.
Ultimately I'd rather face covid with healthy lung's.
Unfortunately as an asthmatic and someone who has been in the building trade for 36 years my lungs are fucked. |
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Coronavirus: World's 1.3 billion smokers urged to quit to reduce COVID-19 risks
The tobacco industry is urged to stop producing as evidence shows smokers who with COVID-19 become more seriously ill."
I believe its usually argued that a smoker has paid for their treatment on the NHS?
A smoker is not more likely to catch but is more likely to use the NHS services
Its It's often debated on fab that no subsection of the population
Poor diet , smokers, zero exercise, cyclists, climbers
Should be refused or pay extra for the potential additional risk they pose to the NHS services
Are you suggesting this perhaps should now change ? |
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Coronavirus: World's 1.3 billion smokers urged to quit to reduce COVID-19 risks
The tobacco industry is urged to stop producing as evidence shows smokers who with COVID-19 become more seriously ill.
I believe its usually argued that a smoker has paid for their treatment on the NHS?
A smoker is not more likely to catch but is more likely to use the NHS services
Its It's often debated on fab that no subsection of the population
Poor diet , smokers, zero exercise, cyclists, climbers
Should be refused or pay extra for the potential additional risk they pose to the NHS services
Are you suggesting this perhaps should now change ? "
I dread to think what fab forums will say if weight is mentioned
Just so you know my opinion
There is a runaway train
Set of points
1 lever you and a woman next to the lever
If you do nothing 1000 people die 10 children 1 paedophile
If you push the lady
The lever moves 800 people die 6 children 2 paedophiles and a murderer
The lady you push also does she killed her two children
Ie I have not a fucking clue anymore |
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"more men in China died from corona because they smoked google it .
I read more men died as they had high blood pressure"
I understand more men smoke than women
I also understand smoking causes high blood pressure due to hardening the blood vessels preventing dialation  |
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"more men in China died from corona because they smoked google it .
I read more men died as they had high blood pressure
I understand more men smoke than women
That isn't what I read"
I inferred that you had read more men had died from cov-sars2 than women
I also inferred that you had read those men had also high blood pressure
I'm giving you another fact to read that is
More men smoke than women in China
And that smoking causes high blood pressure
What you infer from this data is up to you
I doubt not one part that more men in China have died whilst having high blood pressure nor that you have read that
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I've not seen a wealth of published peer reviewed evidence yet, to make my own conclusions. What we sometimes think is a commonsense perspective may not be - in this instance because few of us understand how this virus attacks and affects our lungs. What if smokers gain an advantage to the rest of us, perhaps as their lungs have been primed somehow?
Always be led by robust evidence. Correlations between some countries, like China, having greater proportions of male smokers who died, may simply be a correlation. |
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"I've not seen a wealth of published peer reviewed evidence yet, to make my own conclusions. What we sometimes think is a commonsense perspective may not be - in this instance because few of us understand how this virus attacks and affects our lungs. What if smokers gain an advantage to the rest of us, perhaps as their lungs have been primed somehow?
Always be led by robust evidence. Correlations between some countries, like China, having greater proportions of male smokers who died, may simply be a correlation. "
Absolutely
Radio 4s more or less is excellent at illusting
Correlation causation errors and misunderstandings |
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"more men in China died from corona because they smoked google it .
I read more men died as they had high blood pressure
I understand more men smoke than women
That isn't what I read
I inferred that you had read more men had died from cov-sars2 than women
I also inferred that you had read those men had also high blood pressure
I'm giving you another fact to read that is
More men smoke than women in China
And that smoking causes high blood pressure
What you infer from this data is up to you
I doubt not one part that more men in China have died whilst having high blood pressure nor that you have read that
It might help if you don't infer as much  "
What did I infer incorrectly? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"more men in China died from corona because they smoked google it .
I read more men died as they had high blood pressure
I understand more men smoke than women
That isn't what I read
I inferred that you had read more men had died from cov-sars2 than women
I also inferred that you had read those men had also high blood pressure
I'm giving you another fact to read that is
More men smoke than women in China
And that smoking causes high blood pressure
What you infer from this data is up to you
I doubt not one part that more men in China have died whilst having high blood pressure nor that you have read that
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It might help if you don't infer as much or decide what I have read |
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"more men in China died from corona because they smoked google it .
I read more men died as they had high blood pressure
I understand more men smoke than women
That isn't what I read
I inferred that you had read more men had died from cov-sars2 than women
I also inferred that you had read those men had also high blood pressure
I'm giving you another fact to read that is
More men smoke than women in China
And that smoking causes high blood pressure
What you infer from this data is up to you
I doubt not one part that more men in China have died whilst having high blood pressure nor that you have read that
It might help if you don't infer as much or decide what I have read "
Erm you told us what you had read then repeated it
Your response then suggested I had not understood that you had read the Chinese men had died with high blood pressure
I was clarifying I'd understood that
Did I understand that incorrectly? |
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Smokers will already have done the damage and stopping smoking now will make bugger all difference.
This smacks of an interested party using the current situation to promote a cause.
And I'm a non smoker. |
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"Smokers will already have done the damage and stopping smoking now will make bugger all difference.
This smacks of an interested party using the current situation to promote a cause.
And I'm a non smoker."
Moot point research shows lungs do start recovery from the last cigarette
How that effects blood pressure I have not read one can extrapolate from the data however that vascular muscular dialation would improve |
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"Smokers will already have done the damage and stopping smoking now will make bugger all difference.
This smacks of an interested party using the current situation to promote a cause.
And I'm a non smoker.
Moot point research shows lungs do start recovery from the last cigarette
How that effects blood pressure I have not read one can extrapolate from the data however that vascular muscular dialation would improve "
Of course the elephant in the room regardless of incidental blood pressure is
At what point with very stretched resources do medical operations decide if a persons lifestyle should impact their right to limited resources
Its established that some smokers accept they are doing harm and accept something is going to kill them why not tobacco
Now with that reasonable attitude it is understandable that some would choose a non smoking asthmatic over a smoker when given the moral ultimatum
Is that right ?
See above where I'm absolutely not qualified to make that decision
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"more men in China died from corona because they smoked google it .
I read more men died as they had high blood pressure
I understand more men smoke than women
That isn't what I read
I inferred that you had read more men had died from cov-sars2 than women
I also inferred that you had read those men had also high blood pressure
I'm giving you another fact to read that is
More men smoke than women in China
And that smoking causes high blood pressure
What you infer from this data is up to you
I doubt not one part that more men in China have died whilst having high blood pressure nor that you have read that
It might help if you don't infer as much or decide what I have read "
"I understand more men smoke than women
That isn't what I read "
I was answering your comment about more men smoke than woman.
It was a statement from me that it isn't what I read. That's it.
PS Non smokers get blood pressure too.
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Are you suggesting this perhaps should now change ?
If people give up smoking that's a win - if people have healthier lungs with which to fight off and infection that's a win.
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How about people who through choice decide not to undertake any form of exercise that would improve heart fitness though choice remain sedentary and by choice eat foods that science has highlighted poor for heart health
My take
I think smokers and those I describe above perfectly entitled to their lifestyles
I think statistically both groups at increased and equal risk
I think one needs to be careful which group of addicts
We could quite possibly include alcohol here
I think we need to be careful about victimising one group of addicts or lifestyles
I may advocate a particular lifestyle however I do not show disdain for those who want to risk their lives in their particular way
I risk my life in other ways
My cooking for starters
However whilst in unprecedented times
Note I said be careful not we should or should not |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. |
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Are you suggesting this perhaps should now change ?
If people give up smoking that's a win - if people have healthier lungs with which to fight off and infection that's a win.
How about people who through choice decide not to undertake any form of exercise that would improve heart fitness though choice remain sedentary and by choice eat foods that science has highlighted poor for heart health
My take
I think smokers and those I describe above perfectly entitled to their lifestyles
I think statistically both groups at increased and equal risk
I think one needs to be careful which group of addicts
We could quite possibly include alcohol here
I think we need to be careful about victimising one group of addicts or lifestyles
I may advocate a particular lifestyle however I do not show disdain for those who want to risk their lives in their particular way
I risk my life in other ways
My cooking for starters
However whilst in unprecedented times
Note I said be careful not we should or should not "
But. The post was about Smokers. Include Robinson's Jam if you would like - but the post will still be about smokers.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will the government sanction a ban that pays them so highly in tax at a time when the national debt is higher than post 1945? I doubt it! "
I quit a month back and don't plan on taking it back up but your right the patriotic thing to do at the moment is take up smoking
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Will the government sanction a ban that pays them so highly in tax at a time when the national debt is higher than post 1945? I doubt it!
I quit a month back and don't plan on taking it back up but your right the patriotic thing to do at the moment is take up smoking
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Just a quick search . . .
The cost of smoking According to the Government’s Tobacco Control Plan for England,smoking costs our economy in excess of £11bn per year. Of this, £2.5bn falls to the NHS, £5.3bn falls to employers, and £4.1bn falls to wider society. It is also estimated that smoking-related health conditions creates a demand pressure on local councils of £760m a year forsocialcare services.10‘Action on Smoking and Health’ (ASH) has developed a ‘Ready Reckoner’ tool to estimate the economic costs of smoking to each localeconomy.1
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• HMRC tobacco duty receipts 2019 | Statista
www.statista.com › Society › Economy
11 Sep 2019 - The fiscal year yielding the highest receipts was 2012/13 when the tobacco duty collected 9.7 billiion pounds worth of revenue. Read more ...
A bit short in receipts there |
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