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"Given the adulation this person seems to attract I wonder what people's views are on his comments the other day ......"I thought the point of a lockdown was to stop the spread of coronavirus, not to put everybody under house arrest by decreeing we can only leave home once a day. I refuse to comply with this advice as I never see another walker when I am out." My view is that perhaps if everyone if ignored the advice and went out walking as they see fit then maybe he would see other walkers. The advice is quite simple, go out once for excercise but I guess being "our Nige" and someone who likes to be seen as anti establishment it doesn't apply to him. " Every time he speaks I think he's a bigger bell end than I thought previously. I didn't think that was possible. | |||
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" “I refuse to comply with this advice as I never see another wanker when I am out." " I’ve fixed his quote | |||
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"I think the point Farage was maybe making is that it's more important to apply common sense to the lockdown rules rather than taking them word for word. I personally don't see the problem with somebody going out more than once a day for exercise (for example) provided that they don't infringe on the social distancing thing. For some people going out multiple times a day may be a necessity based on their living arrangements." Agreed its all about common sense. If farage lives in a quiet rural area and when he goes out walking doesn't even see another human being then he can go out as many times as he likes surely? Too many curtain twitches reporting people for going out with dog twice or a jog twice. One lady has to go out multiple times because shes looking after few households with elderly was reported. Some people are just sad. | |||
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"I think the point Farage was maybe making is that it's more important to apply common sense to the lockdown rules rather than taking them word for word. I personally don't see the problem with somebody going out more than once a day for exercise (for example) provided that they don't infringe on the social distancing thing. For some people going out multiple times a day may be a necessity based on their living arrangements." You are right, common sense is the best solution but the trouble is that everyone's interpretation of common sense is different. The only way to ensure that a certain path is followed is to have rules and stick with them, we certainly don't want to get to the situation that the Spanish are in where it's almost Marshall law. | |||
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" If farage lives in a quiet rural area and when he goes out walking doesn't even see another human being then he can go out as many times as he likes surely?" The issue is the advice has to apply to all, if individuals are able to interpret them based on their personal living arrangements then it becomes impossible to control. Imagine the families living in London high rises hearing about the privilege of Farage who comes and goes to his country pile as he pleases? They'd be forgiven for ignoring the rules too on the basis that they'd distance when out, however in areas of high population density we know that would be impossible to police and more importantly control the spread of the virus. | |||
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" I refuse to comply with this advice as I never see another wanker when I am out. " Your reply made my morning ??, thank you. | |||
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" I refuse to comply with this advice as I never see another walker when I am out." " Perhaps Farage is inviting people to exercise in his locality or perhaps it's deserted because others are following the guidance. | |||
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"Given the adulation this person seems to attract I wonder what people's views are on his comments the other day ......"I thought the point of a lockdown was to stop the spread of coronavirus, not to put everybody under house arrest by decreeing we can only leave home once a day. I refuse to comply with this advice as I never see another walker when I am out." My view is that perhaps if everyone if ignored the advice and went out walking as they see fit then maybe he would see other walkers. The advice is quite simple, go out once for excercise but I guess being "our Nige" and someone who likes to be seen as anti establishment it doesn't apply to him. " Anti establishment my arse. | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him "https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-to-leave-lbc-radio-with-immediate-effect-12004872 Doesnt say he was sacked at all? | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him "Why? | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him
https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-to-leave-lbc-radio-with-immediate-effect-12004872
Doesnt say he was sacked at all?"Reads like he jumped before he was pushed to me. | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him
https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-to-leave-lbc-radio-with-immediate-effect-12004872
Doesnt say he was sacked at all?"Reading between the very clear lines I'd say he became very unwanted on LBC   | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him
https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-to-leave-lbc-radio-with-immediate-effect-12004872
Doesnt say he was sacked at all?
Reads like he jumped before he was pushed to me."According to the Independant, the rumours were Farage and LBC feared a backlash for the comments made by Farage about #BLM so they decided to part company with immediate effect. | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him
https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-to-leave-lbc-radio-with-immediate-effect-12004872
Doesnt say he was sacked at all?
Reads like he jumped before he was pushed to me."Love your photos! Tried to send a direct message, but you've blocked men! (even though you are looking for men )  | |||
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"He's another narcissist who will twist everything and exploit people for just his own gain. He wasn't in the public eye for the benefit of the country, just his own ego. The fact that everyone else saw it as their duty to stay indoors, especially at the start of the pandemic, because we are dedicated to the good of all, whilst he is not, is a warning about what bad things against our interests he sees coming from brexit. A dangerous, callous individual. " That’s harsh , he’s simply a Tory libertarian like the rest of the new government , they don't believe the state should tell people what to do, or make people pay for NHS and pensions for poor people , or pay tax etc they believe in personal freedoms above the state - just like 51% of the country. That’s why Boris delayed lockdown , left it up to the people mostly and sped up the end of it I didn’t vote for any of that nonesense btw but that’s what it is and people are entitled to want that. | |||
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"He's another narcissist who will twist everything and exploit people for just his own gain. He wasn't in the public eye for the benefit of the country, just his own ego. The fact that everyone else saw it as their duty to stay indoors, especially at the start of the pandemic, because we are dedicated to the good of all, whilst he is not, is a warning about what bad things against our interests he sees coming from brexit. A dangerous, callous individual. That’s harsh , he’s simply a Tory libertarian like the rest of the new government , they don't believe the state should tell people what to do, or make people pay for NHS and pensions for poor people , or pay tax etc they believe in personal freedoms above the state - just like 51% of the country. That’s why Boris delayed lockdown , left it up to the people mostly and sped up the end of it I didn’t vote for any of that nonesense btw but that’s what it is and people are entitled to want that." It's harsh but fair. | |||
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"He's another narcissist who will twist everything and exploit people for just his own gain. He wasn't in the public eye for the benefit of the country, just his own ego. The fact that everyone else saw it as their duty to stay indoors, especially at the start of the pandemic, because we are dedicated to the good of all, whilst he is not, is a warning about what bad things against our interests he sees coming from brexit. A dangerous, callous individual. That’s harsh , he’s simply a Tory libertarian like the rest of the new government , they don't believe the state should tell people what to do, or make people pay for NHS and pensions for poor people , or pay tax etc they believe in personal freedoms above the state - just like 51% of the country. That’s why Boris delayed lockdown , left it up to the people mostly and sped up the end of it I didn’t vote for any of that nonesense btw but that’s what it is and people are entitled to want that." He is a racist hypocritical charlatan who tries to make out he is just a regular guy. | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him "Yes that is good. I never understood why they let him have air time with his views, it shows that the radio station supported what he did say until now. I wonser on what grounds they didnt want him? | |||
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"He's another narcissist who will twist everything and exploit people for just his own gain. He wasn't in the public eye for the benefit of the country, just his own ego. The fact that everyone else saw it as their duty to stay indoors, especially at the start of the pandemic, because we are dedicated to the good of all, whilst he is not, is a warning about what bad things against our interests he sees coming from brexit. A dangerous, callous individual. That’s harsh , he’s simply a Tory libertarian like the rest of the new government , they don't believe the state should tell people what to do, or make people pay for NHS and pensions for poor people , or pay tax etc they believe in personal freedoms above the state - just like 51% of the country. That’s why Boris delayed lockdown , left it up to the people mostly and sped up the end of it I didn’t vote for any of that nonesense btw but that’s what it is and people are entitled to want that. He is a racist hypocritical charlatan who tries to make out he is just a regular guy." That's polite, you could have summarised that to 4 letters beginning with c | |||
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"He compared BLM to the Taliban and was ripped apart on GMB the other day." The taliban do pull down statues | |||
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"Black Lives Matter organizer stands by group's chant to cook police officers like 'pigs in a blanket' and 'fry 'em like bacon. The greatest power of the media is the power to ignore. " I hear on the radio they are an anti police organisation, so this post hardly comes as a surprise | |||
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"He compared BLM to the Taliban and was ripped apart on GMB the other day. The taliban do pull down statues" They do a lot of other stuff too | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him Yes that is good. I never understood why they let him have air time with his views, it shows that the radio station supported what he did say until now. I wonser on what grounds they didnt want him?"It's the shock jock philosophy, people with extreme views attract an audience, like freak shows. | |||
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"...is now unemployed. LBC have sacked him Yes that is good. I never understood why they let him have air time with his views, it shows that the radio station supported what he did say until now. I wonser on what grounds they didnt want him?
It's the shock jock philosophy, people with extreme views attract an audience, like freak shows. "His show was brilliant although only listened a few times | |||
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" If farage lives in a quiet rural area and when he goes out walking doesn't even see another human being then he can go out as many times as he likes surely? The issue is the advice has to apply to all, if individuals are able to interpret them based on their personal living arrangements then it becomes impossible to control. Imagine the families living in London high rises hearing about the privilege of Farage who comes and goes to his country pile as he pleases? They'd be forgiven for ignoring the rules too on the basis that they'd distance when out, however in areas of high population density we know that would be impossible to police and more importantly control the spread of the virus." The first bit of this post aged like fine wine. Looks at Cummings. | |||
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"I’m definitely no brexiteer but I really like him , would have a pint with him and agree with that comment , if you see a walker just cross over , or go for the head , it’s not rocket science , everyone’s seen walking dead " Your on our block list now | |||
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"Well I don’t mind anyone being able to air their views on any subject .. it’s only their opinion... unfortunately we are fast becoming a country where nobody is allowed to have their own opinion without somebody else being morally outraged or offended and getting all antsi about it... god help anyone who says anything that don’t fit the agenda of the shouty brigade... " Flies both ways | |||
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 I was going to call him a tool but they are bloody useful | |||
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"Love him or hate him he was a master at tactics,and he got his job done. started ukip, knew when to stand down, knew when to come back, knew how and when to start a new party to keep up the pressure on the phonys,knew how many and where to stand folks down to give Boris the 80 seats, (the only party who would deliver Brexit) And he was always very fair on LBC to opposition arguments, and never rude, unlike piers Morgan " He was shit on LBC. He never actually answered challenging questions in opposition to his ideas - he literally just said "Weeellll, you have a point, anyway next caller." His main talent is knowing how to spread misinformation and whip up a mob. | |||
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"I have no idea why the cuntwaffle still gets airtime tbf I was going to call him a tool but they are bloody useful "Cuntwaffle | |||
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"Many people flouted the lockdown rules both high profile, MP's from all parties, and ordinary folk, groups of teens meeting up in parks etc. So what's the actual point of this post please?" Drum banging, making a noise for the purpose of making a noise,  | |||
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"I particularly like this recent comment by one of his co presenters... “Nigel Farage is a particularly pungent skidmark on the underpants of Britain. Nobody can be genuinely surprised by his latest belches of base bigotry." It's not too difficult to identify which co presenter that comment came from." Nigel Farage is a lot more tolerant of other peoples opinions than James O'knobhead | |||
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"Well I don’t mind anyone being able to air their views on any subject .. it’s only their opinion... unfortunately we are fast becoming a country where nobody is allowed to have their own opinion without somebody else being morally outraged or offended and getting all antsi about it... god help anyone who says anything that don’t fit the agenda of the shouty brigade... " We are a tolerant, accepting nation but there have always been limits for what is acceptable. We have laws governing broadcasting, hate speech and other behaviour which goes against the grain of this great state. Agitators and those who may incite hatred etc aren't representative of the majority of decent people here. It's good news to hear that this purveyor of hatred and lies is being shut down | |||
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"I mean, without reading the thread, he's a cunt of the highest order, but a lot of pricks seem to think he's the new messiah. Same sort of pricks who believed in the old one..." I like your way of thinking! | |||
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"He was taken off the air for saying BLM want to get rid of the police, they said it was a lie and removed him. In an interview on sky the leader if BLM in London said we want to defund the police and give the money to local people to police themselves. Make your own mind up what's going on, but looks iffy to me." This is from the UKBLM "go fund me" page. "- Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK." Make your own mind up. | |||
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"He was taken off the air for saying BLM want to get rid of the police, they said it was a lie and removed him. In an interview on sky the leader if BLM in London said we want to defund the police and give the money to local people to police themselves. Make your own mind up what's going on, but looks iffy to me. & what do you think? This is from the UKBLM "go fund me" page. "- Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK." Make your own mind up. " | |||
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"He was taken off the air for saying BLM want to get rid of the police, they said it was a lie and removed him. In an interview on sky the leader if BLM in London said we want to defund the police and give the money to local people to police themselves. Make your own mind up what's going on, but looks iffy to me." Nigel Farage leaves LBC radio show 'with immediate effect' after comparing Black Lives Matter protesters to the Taliban | |||
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"He was taken off the air for saying BLM want to get rid of the police, they said it was a lie and removed him. In an interview on sky the leader if BLM in London said we want to defund the police and give the money to local people to police themselves. Make your own mind up what's going on, but looks iffy to me.Nigel Farage leaves LBC radio show 'with immediate effect' after comparing Black Lives Matter protesters to the Taliban" Farage is and always has been rascist  | |||
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"Nigel Farage. Top Guy should be knighted, Changed politics for good because the establishment were frightening at what might happen! If you disagree block us! " Wow. The state of our country summed up in one post right there.
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"He was taken off the air for saying BLM want to get rid of the police, they said it was a lie and removed him. In an interview on sky the leader if BLM in London said we want to defund the police and give the money to local people to police themselves. Make your own mind up what's going on, but looks iffy to me." And the only thing this would is gang rule. Laws are set by parliament and they decide who enforces Them. | |||
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"Since day one of the lockdown its never been illegal to go out more than once a day. It was only ever advice. " Shhhhh. Just let them wait for Boris to tell them when they can wipe their arse , I’v quite enjoyed less traffic and old people | |||
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"Nigel Farage. Top Guy should be knighted, Changed politics for good because the establishment were frightening at what might happen! If you disagree block us! " Its actually quite frightening that people see a an ex public school stockbroker as not part of the establishment' | |||
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"Nigel Farage. Top Guy should be knighted, Changed politics for good because the establishment were frightening at what might happen! If you disagree block us! Wow. The state of our country summed up in one post right there.
"“Changed politics for good”. Pretty much the opposite. A pull-the-ladder-up toff posing as your mate. Sounds like another con-merchant I could name. | |||
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"Love him or hate him he was a master at tactics,and he got his job done. started ukip, knew when to stand down, knew when to come back, knew how and when to start a new party to keep up the pressure on the phonys,knew how many and where to stand folks down to give Boris the 80 seats, (the only party who would deliver Brexit) And he was always very fair on LBC to opposition arguments, and never rude, unlike piers Morgan He was shit on LBC. He never actually answered challenging questions in opposition to his ideas - he literally just said "Weeellll, you have a point, anyway next caller." His main talent is knowing how to spread misinformation and whip up a mob." ***He was shit on LBC*** I agree, and I'm glad to see him go. | |||
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"A bit like Jeremy Corbyn then, I mean you gotta be a piece of work to attend a terrorist funeral, right.... " Nice try at whataboutary.
Corbyn is history and is now an irrelevance. With any luck Farage will be joining him quite soon. | |||
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"BLM are anti police,cop killing thugs. Black Lives Matter organizer stands by group's chant to cook police officers like 'pigs in a blanket' and 'fry 'em like bacon' Its about time we had some facts and balance... and not as much pandering #dallas And just for good measure "Hands up don't shoot" is a complete 100% made up LIE... AKA it never happen." I'd check out the news today If i were you | |||
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"BLM are anti police,cop killing thugs. Black Lives Matter organizer stands by group's chant to cook police officers like 'pigs in a blanket' and 'fry 'em like bacon' Its about time we had some facts and balance... and not as much pandering #dallas And just for good measure "Hands up don't shoot" is a complete 100% made up LIE... AKA it never happen." A racist and and a bigot. Nice one. | |||
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"Oh, like the photos of him laying the reef. " Wreath. Have a look at fact check. | |||
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"Just did. Corbyn said “a wreath was indeed laid” for “some of those who were killed in Paris in 1992” and added in response to a question: “I was present at that wreath-laying, I don’t think I was actually involved in it.” Even though he was photographed holding it. If you want to split hairs as to weather or not he actually placed it, fine, But it's not a made up story as you suggested " He placed it a different grave. The mail also doesnt mention he was accompanied by a holocaust survivor. | |||
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"@tsjanie Straight out of the left wing play book. When confronted with facts, de fault to calling folks rasist. Nothing I stated isn't true its all documented. " That would be racist, love. Still, I didn't expect spelling to be your strong point. I don't use a playbook either. That's the right's tactic, and they mostly use the same one, the very one that you're attempting to use against the BLM protesters on these forums. It also pains me to see a m_mber of the trans community, an oppressed group ourselves, spouting hate and bile like you do, and espousing a far right ideology. You do realise that the far right don't exactly like trannies, don't you, or are you too myopic or dim to look at countries like Hungary and Poland and see what's happening there? Even our own government are attempting to roll back on trans rights, and yet you support them. Talk about turkey's voting for Christmas .
Still, I suppose you can always slip back into your closet when the shit hits the fan, and leave we full-time transwoman to face the music, whilst you attempt to destroy any trace of your little hobby. Good luck with that.
People like you disgust me, quite honestly, and that's not from any playbook, that's from my heart. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, " Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf."You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ? | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?"Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy."A bigot. a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. | |||
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"@tsjanie Straight out of the left wing play book. When confronted with facts, de fault to calling folks rasist. Nothing I stated isn't true its all documented. That would be racist, love. Still, I didn't expect spelling to be your strong point. I don't use a playbook either. That's the right's tactic, and they mostly use the same one, the very one that you're attempting to use against the BLM protesters on these forums. It also pains me to see a m_mber of the trans community, an oppressed group ourselves, spouting hate and bile like you do, and espousing a far right ideology. You do realise that the far right don't exactly like trannies, don't you, or are you too myopic or dim to look at countries like Hungary and Poland and see what's happening there? Even our own government are attempting to roll back on trans rights, and yet you support them. Talk about turkey's voting for Christmas .
Still, I suppose you can always slip back into your closet when the shit hits the fan, and leave we full-time transwoman to face the music, whilst you attempt to destroy any trace of your little hobby. Good luck with that.
People like you disgust me, quite honestly, and that's not from any playbook, that's from my heart."
With you 100%. Some pretty scummy right-wingers on these forums recently with bigoted views.
It needs calling out but no doubt us "liberal lefties" will be the ones copping forum bans again. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions." | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions."So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot? | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?"Apparently so to some on here. #irony | |||
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" Still, I suppose you can always slip back into your closet when the shit hits the fan, and leave we full-time transwoman to face the music, whilst you attempt to destroy any trace of your little hobby. Good luck with that." while i agree with some of you post, surely you must see the irony of telling this poster that she should be careful because the far right don't like trans while mocking for not being trans enough? its like saying you should have been in our group because your group wont accept you ... ps dont expect us to accept you either blows my mind that people cant see that everyone including themselves have prejudices of some kind, and rather than try to find a way to remove those barriers and work on reducing everyones prejudice instead we want to carve everyone into their own pockets of society with label that justify us hating them where is the pocket for people that are over 2020 id like to be put in with those please | |||
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" Still, I suppose you can always slip back into your closet when the shit hits the fan, and leave we full-time transwoman to face the music, whilst you attempt to destroy any trace of your little hobby. Good luck with that. while i agree with some of you post, surely you must see the irony of telling this poster that she should be careful because the far right don't like trans while mocking for not being trans enough? its like saying you should have been in our group because your group wont accept you ... ps dont expect us to accept you either blows my mind that people cant see that everyone including themselves have prejudices of some kind, and rather than try to find a way to remove those barriers and work on reducing everyones prejudice instead we want to carve everyone into their own pockets of society with label that justify us hating them where is the pocket for people that are over 2020 id like to be put in with those please" | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?"disagree with no, treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ... | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ... "So you should respect everyone's opinion? I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest. That doesn't make me a bigot. | |||
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"Pretty impossible to like Farage without being a racist TBH. I'm sure plenty will try and disagree but his behaviour and views speak for themselves." Ah 'Racist' the debate stopper | |||
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"Pretty impossible to like Farage without being a racist TBH. I'm sure plenty will try and disagree but his behaviour and views speak for themselves. Ah 'Racist' the debate stopper "The guys an out and out Xenophobe and a despicable human being in the Katie Hopkins mould. It's like saying Jimmy Saville was alright because of the millions he raised for charity. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot."You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views. | |||
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"Pretty impossible to like Farage without being a racist TBH. I'm sure plenty will try and disagree but his behaviour and views speak for themselves. Ah 'Racist' the debate stopper
The guys an out and out Xenophobe and a despicable human being in the Katie Hopkins mould. It's like saying Jimmy Saville was alright because of the millions he raised for charity. "Yes its exactly the same
I can count on 3 fingers the truley racist nazis ive met during my life and believe me Nigel Farage is neither racist or a nazi. Overusing such phrases devalues their meaning. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
"TBaf, there's a big difference between not agreeing with someone's taste in music, football teams, favourite pizza toppings etc and someone's dangerous, bigoted, racist views on the rest of the human race. Are we saying no-one should've challenged Hitler because he only had differing views and that was his right? | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
"So if someone refused to work with gay peopeople and said Hitler was right about the Jews they should be treated with respect. I agree with what you are saying in principle but it's very idealistic. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
TBaf, there's a big difference between not agreeing with someone's taste in music, football teams, favourite pizza toppings etc and someone's dangerous, bigoted, racist views on the rest of the human race.
Are we saying no-one should've challenged Hitler because he only had differing views and that was his right? "Beat me to it | |||
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"Pretty impossible to like Farage without being a racist TBH. I'm sure plenty will try and disagree but his behaviour and views speak for themselves. Ah 'Racist' the debate stopper
The guys an out and out Xenophobe and a despicable human being in the Katie Hopkins mould. It's like saying Jimmy Saville was alright because of the millions he raised for charity.
Yes its exactly the same
I can count on 3 fingers the truley racist nazis ive met during my life and believe me Nigel Farage is neither racist or a nazi. Overusing such phrases devalues their meaning."He is hardly a beacon of tolerance | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
So if someone refused to work with gay peopeople and said Hitler was right about the Jews they should be treated with respect.
I agree with what you are saying in principle but it's very idealistic."If someone refuses to work with a gay person that's them excluding themselves not you excluding them. At a place of work yes people should be treated with respect. Would you be happy being sacked because you don't support Boris?. I know it can be difficult at times and some hold views I completely disagree with but abusing and treating differently is wrong and only gives them more oxygen. Call them out by all means but don't fall into their traps | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
TBaf, there's a big difference between not agreeing with someone's taste in music, football teams, favourite pizza toppings etc and someone's dangerous, bigoted, racist views on the rest of the human race.
Are we saying no-one should've challenged Hitler because he only had differing views and that was his right? "Of course not I'm saying do it in a constructive manner. Don't lower yourself to their standards | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
So if someone refused to work with gay peopeople and said Hitler was right about the Jews they should be treated with respect.
I agree with what you are saying in principle but it's very idealistic.
If someone refuses to work with a gay person that's them excluding themselves not you excluding them. At a place of work yes people should be treated with respect. Would you be happy being sacked because you don't support Boris?.
I know it can be difficult at times and some hold views I completely disagree with but abusing and treating differently is wrong and only gives them more oxygen. Call them out by all means but don't fall into their traps"I think the original point was that if you dismiss someones views who you find abhorrent,it makes you a bigot. It doesn't. | |||
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"It's actually got to the stage where if anyone calls out BLM by presenting some facts the MSM and folks conveniently choose to ignore you are labeled a racist, You don't see BLM trying to fix Chicago where there was 36 black on black killings last week. There was actually lots of vets down London yesterday to protect the Churchill statue, but of course the media skip that bit and choose to use language such as "the far right" there was also gangs of BLM running around the back streets randomly attacking innocent folks, there is plenty of video evidence that doesn't make the ten o'clock news, imagine my supprise. The power of the media is the power to ignore. " Who else than you to defend the indefensible and find the two vets who were treating the nasty English bulldogs that everybody saw on tv yesterday. People who refuse to see, don’t see. | |||
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"It's actually got to the stage where if anyone calls out BLM by presenting some facts the MSM and folks conveniently choose to ignore you are labeled a racist, You don't see BLM trying to fix Chicago where there was 36 black on black killings last week. There was actually lots of vets down London yesterday to protect the Churchill statue, but of course the media skip that bit and choose to use language such as "the far right" there was also gangs of BLM running around the back streets randomly attacking innocent folks, there is plenty of video evidence that doesn't make the ten o'clock news, imagine my supprise. The power of the media is the power to ignore. " Why did they go down to 'protect"the statue? | |||
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"It's actually got to the stage where if anyone calls out BLM by presenting some facts the MSM and folks conveniently choose to ignore you are labeled a racist, You don't see BLM trying to fix Chicago where there was 36 black on black killings last week. There was actually lots of vets down London yesterday to protect the Churchill statue, but of course the media skip that bit and choose to use language such as "the far right" there was also gangs of BLM running around the back streets randomly attacking innocent folks, there is plenty of video evidence that doesn't make the ten o'clock news, imagine my supprise. The power of the media is the power to ignore. " Incidentally sky were told not to use the term 'far right'. | |||
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"It's actually got to the stage where if anyone calls out BLM by presenting some facts the MSM and folks conveniently choose to ignore you are labeled a racist, You don't see BLM trying to fix Chicago where there was 36 black on black killings last week. There was actually lots of vets down London yesterday to protect the Churchill statue, but of course the media skip that bit and choose to use language such as "the far right" there was also gangs of BLM running around the back streets randomly attacking innocent folks, there is plenty of video evidence that doesn't make the ten o'clock news, imagine my supprise. The power of the media is the power to ignore. " One thing that Trump, Robinson, Marine Le Pen, the BNP, Farage, the very rightwing gvt we have now, all have in common is their constant tendency to criticise the media and to question their integrity. You’re in good company. | |||
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"Remind me again who actually defaced the churchill statue last week which gave cause to have it boarded up," Why did they feel the need to "defend'The statue? | |||
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"Remind me again who actually defaced the churchill statue last week which gave cause to have it boarded up," The chief editor of the Guardian? | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course." Of course.its their job..so why do we need these self appointed 'defenders? | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course. Of course.its their job..so why do we need these self appointed 'defenders?" We don't. As I say, it was just an excuse for turning things violent and promoting racism. Not that I think going round and defacing or destroying things we don't agree with is right either. Both are roads to anarchy in which no-one benefits or can feel safe. What we need is mature debate and an understanding of our history, good and bad. If we collectively agree to remove statues then great. Equally, we could own our history and learn from it so we can all behave better in the future, something our so called 'defenders' fail to see. But then that's not really what they're about. | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course. Of course.its their job..so why do we need these self appointed 'defenders? We don't. As I say, it was just an excuse for turning things violent and promoting racism. Not that I think going round and defacing or destroying things we don't agree with is right either. Both are roads to anarchy in which no-one benefits or can feel safe. What we need is mature debate and an understanding of our history, good and bad. If we collectively agree to remove statues then great. Equally, we could own our history and learn from it so we can all behave better in the future, something our so called 'defenders' fail to see. But then that's not really what they're about. " I'm.not sure if the words mature debate exist in this country anymore tbf | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course. Of course.its their job..so why do we need these self appointed 'defenders? We don't. As I say, it was just an excuse for turning things violent and promoting racism. Not that I think going round and defacing or destroying things we don't agree with is right either. Both are roads to anarchy in which no-one benefits or can feel safe. What we need is mature debate and an understanding of our history, good and bad. If we collectively agree to remove statues then great. Equally, we could own our history and learn from it so we can all behave better in the future, something our so called 'defenders' fail to see. But then that's not really what they're about. I'm.not sure if the words mature debate exist in this country anymore tbf" You may be right. But we live in hope. | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course. Of course.its their job..so why do we need these self appointed 'defenders? We don't. As I say, it was just an excuse for turning things violent and promoting racism. Not that I think going round and defacing or destroying things we don't agree with is right either. Both are roads to anarchy in which no-one benefits or can feel safe. What we need is mature debate and an understanding of our history, good and bad. If we collectively agree to remove statues then great. Equally, we could own our history and learn from it so we can all behave better in the future, something our so called 'defenders' fail to see. But then that's not really what they're about. " Very well put. | |||
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" Still, I suppose you can always slip back into your closet when the shit hits the fan, and leave we full-time transwoman to face the music, whilst you attempt to destroy any trace of your little hobby. Good luck with that. while i agree with some of you post, surely you must see the irony of telling this poster that she should be careful because the far right don't like trans while mocking for not being trans enough? its like saying you should have been in our group because your group wont accept you ... ps dont expect us to accept you either blows my mind that people cant see that everyone including themselves have prejudices of some kind, and rather than try to find a way to remove those barriers and work on reducing everyones prejudice instead we want to carve everyone into their own pockets of society with label that justify us hating them where is the pocket for people that are over 2020 id like to be put in with those please" I'm not mocking anyone for not being trans enough, I'm simply stating a fact. Full-time transwoman will be the ones who are most affected by government policy, because we do not have anywhere to hide. If someone who you would expect to be in favour of trans rights and who should be fully in support of the trans community decides instead to support the type of political ideology that actively seeks to oppress us, then I feel that I have every right to call them out for it. If you don't think our government are in the process of dismantling trans rights then take a look at the front page of the Sunday Times. These are truly frightening times for people like me, so please forgive me if I'm a little short of tolerance for far right supporters. However they identify. | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
So if someone refused to work with gay peopeople and said Hitler was right about the Jews they should be treated with respect.
I agree with what you are saying in principle but it's very idealistic.
If someone refuses to work with a gay person that's them excluding themselves not you excluding them. At a place of work yes people should be treated with respect. Would you be happy being sacked because you don't support Boris?.
I know it can be difficult at times and some hold views I completely disagree with but abusing and treating differently is wrong and only gives them more oxygen. Call them out by all means but don't fall into their traps
I think the original point was that if you dismiss someones views who you find abhorrent,it makes you a bigot.
It doesn't."Actually if you look again at girl in lingerie post her first words are: disagree with No She then goes on to say if you abuse them ect you are no better. I myself was trying to point out that lowering yourself to their standards only helps them | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
So if someone refused to work with gay peopeople and said Hitler was right about the Jews they should be treated with respect.
I agree with what you are saying in principle but it's very idealistic.
If someone refuses to work with a gay person that's them excluding themselves not you excluding them. At a place of work yes people should be treated with respect. Would you be happy being sacked because you don't support Boris?.
I know it can be difficult at times and some hold views I completely disagree with but abusing and treating differently is wrong and only gives them more oxygen. Call them out by all means but don't fall into their traps
I think the original point was that if you dismiss someones views who you find abhorrent,it makes you a bigot.
It doesn't."i didnt say if you dismiss someones views, i said if you then act in a prejudiced way against them it also makes you a bigot , wether you like it or not you couldnt fire someone for being hard right wing (unless they were being outright offensive to other m_mbers of staff i which case i imagine there is something in a contract to have them dismissed for the behaviour) but just for holding the view ... nope i also never said dont challenge the view ... but do it in a constructive way , shutting something down as wrong, you are the devil, end of story isnt constructive and most likely just ends up in those people reinforcing their view stronger from a defensive standpoint the people ive seen do it best are the people who ask the racist question after question after question, then take their own answers and logic to dismantle their stance ... people often then realise its hard to argue with yourself without looking like an idiot | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course. Of course.its their job..so why do we need these self appointed 'defenders? We don't. As I say, it was just an excuse for turning things violent and promoting racism. Not that I think going round and defacing or destroying things we don't agree with is right either. Both are roads to anarchy in which no-one benefits or can feel safe. What we need is mature debate and an understanding of our history, good and bad. If we collectively agree to remove statues then great. Equally, we could own our history and learn from it so we can all behave better in the future, something our so called 'defenders' fail to see. But then that's not really what they're about. " | |||
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" I'm not mocking anyone for not being trans enough, I'm simply stating a fact. Full-time transwoman will be the ones who are most affected by government policy, because we do not have anywhere to hide." referring to another man in female clothing as his “little hobby he can take back in the closet” is condescending at best , most likely offensive and written as part of a post that was calling them out for siding with a group who are against trans rights the level of hypocrisy blows my mind you maybe have some inward looking to do before lashing at at people who don't share your somewhat contradictory views is what i am saying... i don't agree with the posters far right stance but your approach couldn't be more wrong if you tried | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course." Well this seems to be a bit incorrect as they did I not protect them from the mob rule defacing them or pulling them down. | |||
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"The police were quite capable of protecting statues, most of which were boarded up. Really unnecessary violence. For some it was just a 'good day out' for a punch up and venting abuse and anger after being cooped up so long ... and promoting racism of course. Well this seems to be a bit incorrect as they did I not protect them from the mob rule defacing them or pulling them down." Were they not caught on camera? | |||
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"@tsjanie Like I said facts matter, I take it you didn't bother to Google Ferguson Missouri then. No thought not, Jesus wept.
I've made my feelings about you quite plain and I won't be bothering to interact with you again.
Were you worth a ban? Probably not, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
Now bugger off back to your bigotry, you semi-literate oaf.
You do know that constantly calling lancs girl a bigot makes you one ?
Strange logic there. I'm not sure calling a bigot a bigot makes that person a one, but if it makes you happy.
A bigot.
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
So if I disagreed with say a far right white supremacist..that would make me a bigot?
disagree with no,
treat them differently, verbally abuse, ostracise ... then probably yeah it makes you no better
you don't have to agree with every person you interact with , and in fact if you only had interaction with people who thought the exact same as you and all your conversation goes into a big vaccum of people exactly like you, how do you ever expect to be able to change a bigots mind ...
So you should respect everyone's opinion?
I agree,in principle,but there are plenty of crackpots out there who"s opinion I dont respect in the slightest.
That doesn't make me a bigot.
You should respect everyone's right to their opinion even if it differs to your own. You should not abuse them verbally or otherwise and should not treat them differently. For instance if someone that works for you reveals they hold different views to you it is wrong to treat them differently at work to those that do agree with your views.
So if someone refused to work with gay peopeople and said Hitler was right about the Jews they should be treated with respect.
I agree with what you are saying in principle but it's very idealistic.
If someone refuses to work with a gay person that's them excluding themselves not you excluding them. At a place of work yes people should be treated with respect. Would you be happy being sacked because you don't support Boris?.
I know it can be difficult at times and some hold views I completely disagree with but abusing and treating differently is wrong and only gives them more oxygen. Call them out by all means but don't fall into their traps
I think the original point was that if you dismiss someones views who you find abhorrent,it makes you a bigot.
It doesn't.
i didnt say if you dismiss someones views, i said if you then act in a prejudiced way against them it also makes you a bigot , wether you like it or not you couldnt fire someone for being hard right wing (unless they were being outright offensive to other m_mbers of staff i which case i imagine there is something in a contract to have them dismissed for the behaviour) but just for holding the view ... nope
i also never said dont challenge the view ... but do it in a constructive way , shutting something down as wrong, you are the devil, end of story isnt constructive and most likely just ends up in those people reinforcing their view stronger from a defensive standpoint
the people ive seen do it best are the people who ask the racist question after question after question, then take their own answers and logic to dismantle their stance ... people often then realise its hard to argue with yourself without looking like an idiot
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" I'm not mocking anyone for not being trans enough, I'm simply stating a fact. Full-time transwoman will be the ones who are most affected by government policy, because we do not have anywhere to hide. referring to another man in female clothing as his “little hobby he can take back in the closet” is condescending at best , most likely offensive and written as part of a post that was calling them out for siding with a group who are against trans rights the level of hypocrisy blows my mind you maybe have some inward looking to do before lashing at at people who don't share your somewhat contradictory views is what i am saying... i don't agree with the posters far right stance but your approach couldn't be more wrong if you tried " Ah, so I'm just "another man" then? Okay, it would appear that perhaps you need a little introspection too. I did my inward looking a long time ago and the choices I made then have enabled me to live in a way that no longer has a destructive influence upon my mental well being. I am in general hugely supportive of everyone on the trans spectrum. I should be, because I've lived though it all myself. I do not typically throw fellow sufferers of gender dysphoria under a bus, whatever their status, but I do expect their full support in return. Sadly, in some cases that support is not forthcoming. Any trans person with far right leanings is actively betraying the trans community whether wittingly or otherwise and I will continue to call them out for it, be they fully transitioned or anywhere in between. With hindsight, perhaps my description of a part-time lifestyle as a "hobby" was a little distasteful, however it is in essence the truth. It's far, far easier to live this life when you can go home after an evening out and pack all your female attire into a suitcase until the next time the urge to dress arises. I no longer have nor desire that option, but being a full-time transwoman makes me far more vulnerable to those who hate, and that vulnerability is making life increasingly frightening for people like me. Before judging me, try and understand how difficult life can be for full-time trans people, and how much harder it's likely to become in the very near future. People do tend to lash out when their very existence is under threat. | |||
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"And? Everyone has there opinion. He's a nice guy deserves a knighthood, just the left hate him, Boris and trump. Seems a few in this thread do aswell." Why does he deserve a knighthood? This should be good | |||
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"And? Everyone has there opinion. He's a nice guy deserves a knighthood, just the left hate him, Boris and trump. Seems a few in this thread do aswell." What for? | |||
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"Given the adulation this person seems to attract I wonder what people's views are on his comments the other day ......"I thought the point of a lockdown was to stop the spread of coronavirus, not to put everybody under house arrest by decreeing we can only leave home once a day. I refuse to comply with this advice as I never see another walker when I am out." My view is that perhaps if everyone if ignored the advice and went out walking as they see fit then maybe he would see other walkers. The advice is quite simple, go out once for excercise but I guess being "our Nige" and someone who likes to be seen as anti establishment it doesn't apply to him. " A great theory until everyone thinks the same and then you have a crowd - not very well thought out Nige..... but there again... | |||
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this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game. | |||
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"Love him or hate him, he's definitely got more forum staying power than Dominic Cummings this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game. "I'm sure the weasel Farage will be cracking one out as we speak, now he's aware of your total, undying love for him. Your love in with the rest of the bigots in power is only slightly less nauseating, despite their incompetence.  | |||
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"The man is an odious shit stirrer. Trying to be a ‘man of the people’ yet he’s a former merchant banker with money problems last year when he was down to his last million. If he said those things (that apparently we’re all thinking) in a workplace or pub he would get kicked out. Come to think of it he’s been dropped from the radio station he was on with immediate effect. If that’s not a sign then some people are really stupid " | |||
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"Love him or hate him, he's definitely got more forum staying power than Dominic Cummings this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game. "Brexit will not be all over in 6 months. Farage will have no involvement whatsoever.(why would he?) | |||
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"Love him or hate him, he's definitely got more forum staying power than Dominic Cummings this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game.
Brexit will not be all over in 6 months.
Farage will have no involvement whatsoever.(why would he?)"Brexit is already over, it's finished, done and dusted. The term Brexit meant Britain's exit from the EU. That happened on the 31st January 2020. A treaty/deal negotiations may still be going on but Brexit itself is done. You can't delay or stop it as it has already happened.! | |||
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"Love him or hate him, he's definitely got more forum staying power than Dominic Cummings this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game.
Brexit will not be all over in 6 months.
Farage will have no involvement whatsoever.(why would he?)
Brexit is already over, it's finished, done and dusted.
The term Brexit meant Britain's exit from the EU.
That happened on the 31st January 2020.
A treaty/deal negotiations may still be going on but Brexit itself is done.
You can't delay or stop it as it has already happened.!
"But the ramifications are not done. Like you say we have still got the arduous process of trade deals. Farrage wont be involved in these. | |||
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"Love him or hate him, he's definitely got more forum staying power than Dominic Cummings this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game.
Brexit will not be all over in 6 months.
Farage will have no involvement whatsoever.(why would he?)
Brexit is already over, it's finished, done and dusted.
The term Brexit meant Britain's exit from the EU.
That happened on the 31st January 2020.
A treaty/deal negotiations may still be going on but Brexit itself is done.
You can't delay or stop it as it has already happened.!
But the ramifications are not done.
Like you say we have still got the arduous process of trade deals.
Farrage wont be involved in these."Not disputing that. Was mealy pointing out that Brexit is over as people still keep referring to it as ongoing. It's not, for clarification just check the EU website. The UK is no longer a m_mber state. | |||
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"I'd like to go for a pint with Nige, and Boris because they seem like a laugh. But I'd also like to take them for a quiet walk on the Moors late one night and find a nice ditch for them to take a nap in, due to their politics." If it happens Mr wants an invite to help you out. | |||
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"Now that Nigel has got some time on his hands Boris should invite him in to be a special advisor to the negotiating team,just to finalise,dot the I's cross the T's etc. Also Nigels close ties to POTUS would be a great help to get the best UK-USA trade deal possible,The US economy is on course to take off like a rocket in quarters 3 and 4, even more so in 2021 and it would be great to be part of that in this brave new world. this is all despite of the blue states keeping things shut down for as long as possible playing 2020 politics. " Does nigel have a great deal of expertise in trade deals? | |||
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"Now that Nigel has got some time on his hands Boris should invite him in to be a special advisor to the negotiating team,just to finalise,dot the I's cross the T's etc. Also Nigels close ties to POTUS would be a great help to get the best UK-USA trade deal possible,The US economy is on course to take off like a rocket in quarters 3 and 4, even more so in 2021 and it would be great to be part of that in this brave new world. this is all despite of the blue states keeping things shut down for as long as possible playing 2020 politics. " Haha, close ties with POTUS? Farage has literally zero influence on any UK -USA trade deals and Cummings hates him | |||
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"Love him or hate him, he's definitely got more forum staying power than Dominic Cummings this thing is 145 and still going strong. And you know how the saying goes about being still relevant.
With the covid situation basically running out of steam by July, Aug to Nov_mber is all going to be about Brexit again,the finale, Nigel will still be a big player on media as a watching brief from the side lines, but so far it looks like the government are holding steady on the Brexit deadline despite all of the usual suspects attempts to push covid economy fear porn to delay Brexit. And now it is also clear why they tried so desperately to take out Dominic Cummings, this next 6 months is the final act and Cummings is crucial to the Brexit end game.
Brexit will not be all over in 6 months.
Farage will have no involvement whatsoever.(why would he?)
Brexit is already over, it's finished, done and dusted.
The term Brexit meant Britain's exit from the EU.
That happened on the 31st January 2020.
A treaty/deal negotiations may still be going on but Brexit itself is done.
You can't delay or stop it as it has already happened.!
But the ramifications are not done.
Like you say we have still got the arduous process of trade deals.
Farrage wont be involved in these.
Not disputing that.
Was mealy pointing out that Brexit is over as people still keep referring to it as ongoing.
It's not, for clarification just check the EU website. The UK is no longer a m_mber state."Sort off, we still pay EU fees and we are still tied to all their rules and regulations , BREXIT will only be over when we replace ALL the deals we had before | |||
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"Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. " So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016? | |||
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"Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016?" I don't see that the poster said what you said in your reply? | |||
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"Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016? I don't see that the poster said what you said in your reply?" Sorry I dont understand? | |||
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"Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. " and you replied . . . "So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016?" | |||
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"The Poster wrote . . . Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. and you replied . . . So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016? " I know Cos they had previously mentioned about Farage being useful in trade negotiations | |||
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"The Poster wrote . . . Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. and you replied . . . So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016? I know Cos they had previously mentioned about Farage being useful in trade negotiations" Ah okay - My Bad. | |||
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"Nigel was an MEP,he was fighting them from the inside. David Cameron decided to have a game of poker with Nigel and David Cameron folded under the pressure from UKIP. " You dont think it's a bit hypocritical to take a huge salary of them whilst complaining about how undemocratic they are? Also how could he be an mep whilst simultaneously help trumps campaign? | |||
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"The Poster wrote . . . Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. and you replied . . . So getting your photie took means you are an expert on complex trade negotiations? Wasnt he an mep in 2016? I know Cos they had previously mentioned about Farage being useful in trade negotiations Ah okay - My Bad. "Do keep up | |||
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"Nigel was an MEP,he was fighting them from the inside. David Cameron decided to have a game of poker with Nigel and David Cameron folded under the pressure from UKIP. You dont think it's a bit hypocritical to take a huge salary of them whilst complaining about how undemocratic they are? Also how could he be an mep whilst simultaneously help trumps campaign?" And a huge pension for life | |||
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"Nigel was an MEP,he was fighting them from the inside. David Cameron decided to have a game of poker with Nigel and David Cameron folded under the pressure from UKIP. You dont think it's a bit hypocritical to take a huge salary of them whilst complaining about how undemocratic they are? Also how could he be an mep whilst simultaneously help trumps campaign? And a huge pension for life " Just a normal guy though. | |||
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"Nigel was one of the first people to have a photo op with the president elect back in 2016 In the golden elevator. Nigel also helped out on the 2016 campaign trail. " Hahaha, so Trump used Farage and you now think he has an influence on any trade deals? Farage is irrelevant, Cummings hates him | |||
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