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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So it’s emerged that lots of people seem to have caught the virus there including some celebs. Blame is being put on the organisers for not cancelling it. I remember saying at the time it should have been cancelled. I also remember saying there’s no way I would go. Shouldn’t people take responsibility for themselves?? Yeah it should have been cancelled but you didn’t have to go?!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just shows that people make mistakes. Unfortunately it may cost some their lives, which is tragedy.
I’m sure someone crowing about being right on a swingers forum is going to be comfort to the families. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just shows that people make mistakes. Unfortunately it may cost some their lives, which is tragedy.
I’m sure someone crowing about being right on a swingers forum is going to be comfort to the families. "
Excuse me but I am not “crowing” I’m merely pointing out that they would have known the risks as we all did at that time and they chose to take that risk. I’m not saying it isn’t a tragedy. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Just shows that people make mistakes. Unfortunately it may cost some their lives, which is tragedy.
I’m sure someone crowing about being right on a swingers forum is going to be comfort to the families.
Excuse me but I am not “crowing” I’m merely pointing out that they would have known the risks as we all did at that time and they chose to take that risk. I’m not saying it isn’t a tragedy. "
At that time, the UK was behind the curve in taking action in limiting public gatherings. It was only a couple of days before that that Boris said he was still shaking hands with people and herd immunity was the still official govt policy. That was also the week that Liverpool played AC Madrid, which was also very a questionable decision.
Sure people have to take some personal responsibility but I'm inclined to put greater blame on the event organisers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"60,000 people together a recipe for disaster. "
Over the course of the festival some 250,000 people went through the doors.
The organisers should be ashamed of themselves. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just shows that people make mistakes. Unfortunately it may cost some their lives, which is tragedy.
I’m sure someone crowing about being right on a swingers forum is going to be comfort to the families.
Excuse me but I am not “crowing” I’m merely pointing out that they would have known the risks as we all did at that time and they chose to take that risk. I’m not saying it isn’t a tragedy.
At that time, the UK was behind the curve in taking action in limiting public gatherings. It was only a couple of days before that that Boris said he was still shaking hands with people and herd immunity was the still official govt policy. That was also the week that Liverpool played AC Madrid, which was also very a questionable decision.
Sure people have to take some personal responsibility but I'm inclined to put greater blame on the event organisers. "
Some football matches had been cancelled by then also. Yes it should have been cancelled definitely. I’m not disputing that. I remember watching it and saying I cannot believe so many people are there. We knew the dangers then for sure. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Just shows that people make mistakes. Unfortunately it may cost some their lives, which is tragedy.
I’m sure someone crowing about being right on a swingers forum is going to be comfort to the families.
Excuse me but I am not “crowing” I’m merely pointing out that they would have known the risks as we all did at that time and they chose to take that risk. I’m not saying it isn’t a tragedy.
At that time, the UK was behind the curve in taking action in limiting public gatherings. It was only a couple of days before that that Boris said he was still shaking hands with people and herd immunity was the still official govt policy. That was also the week that Liverpool played AC Madrid, which was also very a questionable decision.
Sure people have to take some personal responsibility but I'm inclined to put greater blame on the event organisers.
Some football matches had been cancelled by then also. Yes it should have been cancelled definitely. I’m not disputing that. I remember watching it and saying I cannot believe so many people are there. We knew the dangers then for sure. "
Well, that was the week that UK started to change their thinking. I think it was March 11 that Imperial College made modelling predictions that the policies of the UK govt could result in up to 500,000 dead and the collapse of the NHS. Schools were still open that week. Boris slowly started to change his tune a few days after that. Even then they were only making recommendations. |
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By *unscot44Man
over a year ago
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I think there were quite a lot of people thinking it was crazy that it was going ahead at time. However at that stage i think both Govt and most of public were not treating COVID-19 with the seriousness that they were a few days later sadly. |
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"So it’s emerged that lots of people seem to have caught the virus there including some celebs. Blame is being put on the organisers for not cancelling it. I remember saying at the time it should have been cancelled. I also remember saying there’s no way I would go. Shouldn’t people take responsibility for themselves?? Yeah it should have been cancelled but you didn’t have to go?!!! "
Reminded me of the scene in Jaws when the Mayor decided to keep the beach open. |
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"So it’s emerged that lots of people seem to have caught the virus there including some celebs. Blame is being put on the organisers for not cancelling it. I remember saying at the time it should have been cancelled. I also remember saying there’s no way I would go. Shouldn’t people take responsibility for themselves?? Yeah it should have been cancelled but you didn’t have to go?!!!
Reminded me of the scene in Jaws when the Mayor decided to keep the beach open."
Great film, the general public were not aware there was a shark though to make an informed decision not to be eaten...
We were very aware and just didn't care  |
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By *BWarksCouple
over a year ago
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The idea was that people came from far and wide to Cheltenham so it would spread the virus more equally around the country, rather than a football match in a more concentrated area. That way the health system wasn’t over loaded more in one place . No one has ever yet said the virus will disappear because we’re not going out , it’ll only slow down after enough people have caught it .....or maybe a vaccine but that’s not going to happen for at least a year, if at all . |
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but anyone who thinks that lockdowns and social distancing long term are going to be the end of this virus are deluded.
The herd community idea was based on the fact that by getting the virus we would build up the anti-bodies in our body so that we wouldn’t get it again and we could move on with our lives, unfortunately once the government worked out our NHS wasn’t equipped to cope with the increase of in-patients they decided to lock us all down.
There is no vaccine on the horizon for 12 months and a couple more months of lockdown will destroy this country’s economy for 50 years, the current Chancellor’s rescue plans mean we would have to pay 27p in the pound extra income tax to pay this debt back, so will that be spread out over 25 years.
Business leaders and other senior figures are saying the cure will be worse than the virus, unemployment, mental health, domestic violence amongst the more serious issues that have to be dealt with.
My main criticism of the Government and its advisory panels is that they knew this virus was coming back in December and have only started to get their heads around it in March - beggars belief ! |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
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I attended the festival.
Yes we were all aware it might be cancelled, and that was a bigger concern for those attending than actually catching the illness.
Its no worse than all the pubs, restaurants, public transport, supermarkets shopping centres etc.
Hindsight is always 20 / 20.
Spreading it across 250,000 people from across the UK and Ireland, is better than 7million in London.
But again the figures lie too
60,000 per day there, many attend multiple days too so the actual individual attendance will if been much less. |
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Hindsight is an amazing thing.
I wish that at the latter end of last year we had sold our house and anything of any value packed up my job purchased a decent sized minibus and taken the family to a remote part of Scotland and set up a self sustainable living space to stay safe.
Unfortunately that didn't happen.
However what I would say with no sarcasm intended
Essex Tom did warn us all and was virtually bombarding us with warnings every day.
Yet know one took him seriously.
I doubt that the people who organised Cheltenham would have taken any warnings seriously either . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I attended the festival.
Yes we were all aware it might be cancelled, and that was a bigger concern for those attending than actually catching the illness.
Its no worse than all the pubs, restaurants, public transport, supermarkets shopping centres etc.
Hindsight is always 20 / 20.
Spreading it across 250,000 people from across the UK and Ireland, is better than 7million in London.
But again the figures lie too
60,000 per day there, many attend multiple days too so the actual individual attendance will if been much less."
Are you seriously comparing Cheltenham to public transport and supermarkets?
One is a nice to have and the others are critical for society lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"60,000 people together a recipe for disaster.
How many people do you think used the tube in London that day ?"
How many of those people are key workers reliant upon public transport to get to work to keep society afloat? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hindsight is an amazing thing.
I wish that at the latter end of last year we had sold our house and anything of any value packed up my job purchased a decent sized minibus and taken the family to a remote part of Scotland and set up a self sustainable living space to stay safe.
Unfortunately that didn't happen.
However what I would say with no sarcasm intended
Essex Tom did warn us all and was virtually bombarding us with warnings every day.
Yet know one took him seriously.
I doubt that the people who organised Cheltenham would have taken any warnings seriously either ."
People keep saying there was no way to see this coming whilst we all could see this thing avalanche from China through Iran then Italy and towards us.
How can you keep saying the government didn’t have foresight? |
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"Hindsight is an amazing thing.
I wish that at the latter end of last year we had sold our house and anything of any value packed up my job purchased a decent sized minibus and taken the family to a remote part of Scotland and set up a self sustainable living space to stay safe.
Unfortunately that didn't happen.
However what I would say with no sarcasm intended
Essex Tom did warn us all and was virtually bombarding us with warnings every day.
Yet know one took him seriously.
I doubt that the people who organised Cheltenham would have taken any warnings seriously either .
People keep saying there was no way to see this coming whilst we all could see this thing avalanche from China through Iran then Italy and towards us.
How can you keep saying the government didn’t have foresight?"
Are you asking me this question??
For starters I don't keep saying that.
Second this thread is about the organisers of Cheltenham festival.
What I am saying is I'm sure in hindsight I am sure that they wouldn't have gone ahead had they known.
They made a decision ( as bad as it was) to keep going probably based on money rather than health.
The debate on the government is a totally different thing.
Personally I am disgusted that they went ahead with it.
The government should have been stricter rather than phasing out things the way they did.
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"I attended the festival.
Yes we were all aware it might be cancelled, and that was a bigger concern for those attending than actually catching the illness.
Its no worse than all the pubs, restaurants, public transport, supermarkets shopping centres etc.
Hindsight is always 20 / 20.
Spreading it across 250,000 people from across the UK and Ireland, is better than 7million in London.
But again the figures lie too
60,000 per day there, many attend multiple days too so the actual individual attendance will if been much less.
Are you seriously comparing Cheltenham to public transport and supermarkets?
One is a nice to have and the others are critical for society lol"
Yeah I am.
Its a massive contribution to the racing and betting industry. Plus all of the catering staff, ground staff, events teams.
Why penalise those people when the rest if the country carried on.
Key workers are working now look at the public transport usage figures.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So it’s emerged that lots of people seem to have caught the virus there including some celebs. Blame is being put on the organisers for not cancelling it. I remember saying at the time it should have been cancelled. I also remember saying there’s no way I would go. Shouldn’t people take responsibility for themselves?? Yeah it should have been cancelled but you didn’t have to go?!!! "
The Govt. failed us all. They should have closed the borders weeks ago, they were aware that this wasn’t just ‘the flu’ and yet left us all exposed to allow the same pockets to be lined for as long as possible. Now we all lose, people are dying unnecessarily and our economy ruined. Rant over  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yeah I am.
Its a massive contribution to the racing and betting industry. Plus all of the catering staff, ground staff, events teams.
Why penalise those people when the rest if the country carried on.
Key workers are working now look at the public transport usage figures.
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To compare the racing and betting industry to the likes of frontline emergency staff is bonkers. |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"Yeah I am.
Its a massive contribution to the racing and betting industry. Plus all of the catering staff, ground staff, events teams.
Why penalise those people when the rest if the country carried on.
Key workers are working now look at the public transport usage figures.
To compare the racing and betting industry to the likes of frontline emergency staff is bonkers."
Im not, im comparing it to every other industry.
The country was still working in March why now say we should of penalised the racing industry
When in fact they were one of the first industries to react and close down
Unlike offices and factories |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
We should have The Covid-19 Trials post Pandemic.
Use the newly built - and then unused - hospitals as Internment Camps.
Jeebus!!
Just like the Nation needs healing now it will need a lot more healing post covid.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’s like barebacking..... some take the risk and get away and some really don’t get away with it.
Thought I’d bring a bit of dark humour to it all.
Sorry if anyone is offended |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"So it’s emerged that lots of people seem to have caught the virus there including some celebs. Blame is being put on the organisers for not cancelling it. I remember saying at the time it should have been cancelled. I also remember saying there’s no way I would go. Shouldn’t people take responsibility for themselves?? Yeah it should have been cancelled but you didn’t have to go?!!!
The Govt. failed us all. They should have closed the borders weeks ago, they were aware that this wasn’t just ‘the flu’ and yet left us all exposed to allow the same pockets to be lined for as long as possible. Now we all lose, people are dying unnecessarily and our economy ruined. Rant over "
I wouldn't call your post a rant, the UK govt was late in acting and is now playing catch up. Putting revenue over peoples lives has been very costly in terms of peoples lives. It exacerbated the problem in Italy and parts of the US as well.
Saying things like yeah but Corbyn is totally irrelevant, he's not in charge and indulging in hypotheticals at this point is a massive distraction. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It’s like barebacking..... some take the risk and get away and some really don’t get away with it.
Thought I’d bring a bit of dark humour to it all.
Sorry if anyone is offended "
Here’s the difference that people still don’t seem to get: you can infect others passively.
An innocent, vulnerable person could be walking past you and because this virus can be asymptotic you could pass it on not knowing you have it.
The externalities of being careless are deadly. |
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"Parker Bowles who has it was pictured kissing Princess Anne. "
Princess Anne used to have fabulous legs. Especially in jodhpurs.
But then, so does JK Rowling.
But then, so does pretty much anyone, really!!  |
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The Govt. failed us all. They should have closed the borders weeks ago, they were aware that this wasn’t just ‘the flu’ and yet left us all exposed to allow the same pockets to be lined for as long as possible. Now we all lose, people are dying unnecessarily and our economy ruined. Rant over
I wouldn't call your post a rant, the UK govt was late in acting and is now playing catch up. "
"Playing" at catch-up is about all this government is doing. It would help if their first instinct isn't simply to tell a stupid lie a four year-old would blush at, whatever the question is.
They STILL aren't testing at airports. They are about to bring in tens of thousands of Brits from all around the world who will NOT be tested (only external forehead skin temperature, which basically shows if the airplane was a bit hot or you've got too many jumpers on) and they are NOT going to be quarantined.
The way this government has behaved is disgraceful. But what did anyone seriously expect from Johnson? All he can do is his silly Bertie Wooster impression with a bit of Greek thrown in to make him seem clever to really stupid people. The biggest tragedy is that it works. |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"Parker Bowles who has it was pictured kissing Princess Anne.
Princess Anne used to have fabulous legs. Especially in jodhpurs.
But then, so does JK Rowling.
But then, so does pretty much anyone, really!! "
They asked The Princess Royal what she would do if she had contracted it.
Her answer was “one will just take it on the chin”
Which made me chuckle |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
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The simple fact is..
We wont get back to normal until we have all had it, and the Antigen test confirms it!
So in reality the country needs to wide spread of it.
Nobody knows how many people have it, have had it will have it.
We only hear the death toll.
But again how many had died with it or because of it?
We might thank Cheltenham in a few months
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They STILL aren't testing at airports. They are about to bring in tens of thousands of Brits from all around the world who will NOT be tested (only external forehead skin temperature, which basically shows if the airplane was a bit hot or you've got too many jumpers on) and they are NOT going to be quarantined.
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I assume these people, like everyone else in the country, will social distance and stay at home once they get there so why do they need special treatment ? What would it achieve ? Wouldn't they just be sent home anyway ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The simple fact is..
We wont get back to normal until we have all had it, and the Antigen test confirms it!
So in reality the country needs to wide spread of it.
Nobody knows how many people have it, have had it will have it.
We only hear the death toll.
But again how many had died with it or because of it?
We might thank Cheltenham in a few months
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That’s just not true on so many levels.
If you mass test and isolate those who are carrying it you can stop them infecting others. Had the government been proactive, locked down earlier and stopped incoming travel we’d have stood a better chance to stem the number of new daily infections
Events like Cheltenham which should never have happened under current circumstances have done huge amounts of damage by allowing the virus to spread among human hosts. |
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"The simple fact is..
We wont get back to normal until we have all had it, and the Antigen test confirms it!
So in reality the country needs to wide spread of it.
Nobody knows how many people have it, have had it will have it.
We only hear the death toll.
But again how many had died with it or because of it?
We might thank Cheltenham in a few months
That’s just not true on so many levels.
If you mass test and isolate those who are carrying it you can stop them infecting others. Had the government been proactive, locked down earlier and stopped incoming travel we’d have stood a better chance to stem the number of new daily infections
Events like Cheltenham which should never have happened under current circumstances have done huge amounts of damage by allowing the virus to spread among human hosts."
At least most Cheltenham participants have returned home to Ireland ! |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"The simple fact is..
We wont get back to normal until we have all had it, and the Antigen test confirms it!
So in reality the country needs to wide spread of it.
Nobody knows how many people have it, have had it will have it.
We only hear the death toll.
But again how many had died with it or because of it?
We might thank Cheltenham in a few months
That’s just not true on so many levels.
If you mass test and isolate those who are carrying it you can stop them infecting others. Had the government been proactive, locked down earlier and stopped incoming travel we’d have stood a better chance to stem the number of new daily infections
Events like Cheltenham which should never have happened under current circumstances have done huge amounts of damage by allowing the virus to spread among human hosts. At least most Cheltenham participants have returned home to Ireland !"
An estimated 20,000 travelled from northern and the Republic of Ireland to the Cheltenham festival. Overall festival attendance was 251,684. Math isn't your thing, is it? But what point were you trying to make? |
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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago
Mid-Cheshire |
"The simple fact is..
We wont get back to normal until we have all had it, and the Antigen test confirms it!
So in reality the country needs to wide spread of it.
Nobody knows how many people have it, have had it will have it.
We only hear the death toll.
But again how many had died with it or because of it?
We might thank Cheltenham in a few months
That’s just not true on so many levels.
If you mass test and isolate those who are carrying it you can stop them infecting others. Had the government been proactive, locked down earlier and stopped incoming travel we’d have stood a better chance to stem the number of new daily infections
Events like Cheltenham which should never have happened under current circumstances have done huge amounts of damage by allowing the virus to spread among human hosts. At least most Cheltenham participants have returned home to Ireland !
An estimated 20,000 travelled from northern and the Republic of Ireland to the Cheltenham festival. Overall festival attendance was 251,684. Math isn't your thing, is it? But what point were you trying to make?"
My point is the attendance over 4 days was 251684, (well done on your reasearch to try and belittle my point)
Now i know sums aint my strong point.
62,921 average daily attendance as you want me to be specific.
So 20,000 irish have not gone for one day, good example thank you
Many People go for the full 4 days.
So the 251684 you quoting is the number of tickets sold not the number of individual people, in attendance.
Consider also that there were many no shows too.
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"The simple fact is..
We wont get back to normal until we have all had it, and the Antigen test confirms it!
So in reality the country needs to wide spread of it.
Nobody knows how many people have it, have had it will have it.
We only hear the death toll.
But again how many had died with it or because of it?
We might thank Cheltenham in a few months
That’s just not true on so many levels.
If you mass test and isolate those who are carrying it you can stop them infecting others. Had the government been proactive, locked down earlier and stopped incoming travel we’d have stood a better chance to stem the number of new daily infections
Events like Cheltenham which should never have happened under current circumstances have done huge amounts of damage by allowing the virus to spread among human hosts. At least most Cheltenham participants have returned home to Ireland !
An estimated 20,000 travelled from northern and the Republic of Ireland to the Cheltenham festival. Overall festival attendance was 251,684. Math isn't your thing, is it? But what point were you trying to make?"
Reducing load on NHS. 20000 Irish probably approximates to roughly 80000 attendances (4 days/visits) - say about a third. My Maths is OK thankyou. |
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By *unscot44Man
over a year ago
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The decision to go ahead with Cheltenham was surely a huge error.
However surely it is even greater madness that flights are still arriving into UK from London including New York which is experiencing a huge outbreak. I believe passengers are not even being routinely quarantined or being advised to self isolate for first 7 days on arrival. Surely this is a recipe for disaster. |
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