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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

were back and looking to get to know other bikers. come say hi

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi Chesterfield biking couple here.

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By *stmateMan over a year ago

Notts

Hi, nottingham biking singleton here.

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By *iavelmanMan over a year ago

Worcester

Another single biker here tired after a cracking weekend at a rally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hi u2 fellow bikers we r bikers 2 we r from merseyside liz n john ,,bikes r brilliant fun lol xx

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By *edditchcpl69Couple over a year ago

REDDITCH

married bikers from worc,s area here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yoohoo!

Yep, we too are some of those "unruly biker types"

Just had a great weekend at stormin the castle. need some sleep now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi,

Couple from West Yorkshire, ride a GS1200 Adv.

Pete n Jane xx

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By *uby In StockingsTV/TS over a year ago

Cheadle

Hi there, summer biker only these days darlings, find the wind up my skirts to be quite refreshing, mwah, xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hardcore all weather biker here lol

Midlands, Loughborough area please get in touch!

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By *oodey69Man over a year ago

liverpool

Hello all

I'm a Hayabusa riding speed junkie from liverpool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi All.

I'm another of those awful motorcycle riding people.

I ride a GSXR1000K2 and always up for playing out doors...... Oh er!!

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

Did we hear a roll call :D

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By *lutandhubbyCouple over a year ago

west midlands

more bikers here, we run a MCC bike club

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By *aughty-swingerCouple over a year ago

Poole

Hiya, we are also bikers looking for others in the south area.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Holds hand in the air !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi all. Bikers from yorkshire riding a street fighteredcbr 1000. Feel free to add us as friends. Jeff and Lynne x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi all you fellow bikers

biker cpl from leeds/hull

riding a 1250 bandit

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

hey all biker couple here,both have our own big bikes xxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi all you fellow bikers

biker cpl from leeds/hull

riding a 1250 bandit

same bike different couple!

We are west yorkshire.

He has a Bandit 1250, she's saving up for her direct access!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

would any of the bikers on site be upfor a group meet and ride out in the future if we can arrainge something?

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

a meet up sounds good,,,,maybe at aswingers camp site like gem's?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Leeds Triumph riders here *waves*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"a meet up sounds good,,,,maybe at aswingers camp site like gem's?"

And we start talking about this in winter???

my delicate nature would reply to camping in winter with one thought...

brrrrrrrrrrr

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

lol sure there r ways of keeping warm,,,,have u never been to the kickstart rally lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We would be up for meet and a ride out!

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By *uck knows41Man over a year ago

Arbroath

Hi all shame your all down south andy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

1200 Triumph here guys, swingers biking weekend sounds like a fab weekend

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi all shame your all down south andy "

You've not read the replies properly, there were loads of people saying they were from Yorkshire/North West... Unless your even further North, which just means a better longer ride surely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hello we have a Yamaha Tenere would love to meet up for rides out etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Horny biker here. Love to meet others for fun and rides out or weekends. Triumph sprint

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

M has 2 yam R6's 06& 09 that he races in the isle of man!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if any of you get over to the oasis cafe in scarborough give us a shout

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By *olwaymanMan over a year ago

penrith

Cumbrian Biker runs a KTM old style trailie, lots from the N & N/W here ever get to Kirby Lonsdale, Hartside, Middleton in Teesdale, nice riding country! we need a badge so we can recognise each other?

Cheers

Col

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

biker here , road and race although not much on the road this year at all , hope to be back on the roads next year

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By *funcouple29Couple over a year ago

norfolk/suffolk

yes another biker couple here in norfolk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biker here. Riding R1 at the mo. Always up for meets and ride outs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hi biker here from kent looking for ride outs ,triumph owner

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lets take this one step further,we are bikers and have the perfect venue for a meet,rideout and camping

L&P

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We would love to have a rideout some where.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

anybody fancy taking the bull by the horns and organising this. lol. cheeky but shy kids get no sweets. we wouldnt know where to begin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are bikers two we always go to Skegness to mcn weekend always good sexy fun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are a biker couple

cambridge here. should organise a biker/swinger meet/party at some point round our way

we have a big bbq lots of bike parking and a fair amount of space in the house for fun too

P and M

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi folks West Mids rider CBR 600 been to the Dragon Rally 6 yrs on the trot now must be mad lol keep the bubble up and the rubber down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are a biker couple

cambridge here. should organise a biker/swinger meet/party at some point round our way

we have a big bbq lots of bike parking and a fair amount of space in the house for fun too

P and M"

Sounds like it could be fun. Hopefully we all could arrange something

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe the place to start would be a meet up at an existing rally - less to organise, plenty of space to do your own thing, less pressure for those who decide its not for them etc.... (I'd also suggest we try to book for the Perverts In Leather Rally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just stumbled accross this thread and you all seem to be up North compared to us.

We have a Hayabusa and would love to meet up with other swinging bikers. But when the weather gets warmer!!! Te he he

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have a gs 1200 adv for the road plus several race bikes....

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By *ighlandcouple40Couple over a year ago

Inverness

Bikers here from the far north, although bikes are away this time of the year as you would freeze your bollocks of the now....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

northeast scotland.

Up for some fun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

triumph sprint owner,winters back grrrrr

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yay another Triumph rider!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yay another Triumph rider!!

Marks a triumph rider (and me too when i use his bike) triumphs are awesome

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By *ugartitsandhimCouple over a year ago

North West

Triumph Sprint 900 riders here hi all x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Triumph Love in anyone? hehe x

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By *tuart_TaninaCouple over a year ago

Wakefield

And a Wakefield couple here with a CB1300 and a GL1000

S&T xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Triumph Love in anyone? hehe x"

:D yeah

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By *ugartitsandhimCouple over a year ago

North West

"Triumph Love in anyone? hehe x

:D yeah"

Could be fun lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Triumph Love in anyone? hehe x"

ohhh don't tell H, Triumphs are his favurite, he just done's have one yet!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

does a lambretta gp200 count?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Got and sv 650 ride 365 days a year for the last 12 years would love a ride out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is anyone going to the bike show at the NEC and what day?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a biker myself(as yet), but my O/H has 7 bikes, including a Triumph Daytona, a Ural, and a ducti

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By *dglasgow30TV/TS over a year ago

glasgow

from glasgow and just new to the biking world as just got a 04 fz6. just thought i would say hi to you all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Harley Davidson Fatboy riders. Hi everyone !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

dont forget anybody over scarborough way gizza shout and we will meet you at oasis cafe. couples only please guys

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By *igoodnightCouple over a year ago

Darlington

Back on the bikes after 7yer off now zzr owner pass me knee sliders scotty. Up for bike funn next year x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Back on the bikes after 7yer off now zzr owner pass me knee sliders scotty. Up for bike funn next year x"

well dont be shy to gizza shout if you find yourself down here

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By *lutandhubbyCouple over a year ago

west midlands

"Hi

Lets take this one step further,we are bikers and have the perfect venue for a meet,rideout and camping

L&P

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now that sounds intresting

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By *ondafirestormMan over a year ago

heckington

hi gsxr 1000 k7 isle of man edition here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi all.

I'm another biker from the North Yorks/Lancs area and ride a GSXR1000K2.

I am always up for fun on the road,

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By *adypleaserMan over a year ago

worcester

Biker from Worcestershire here with panniers !! lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Downhill Mountain Biker here

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By *icksfocusMan over a year ago

Pontefract

honda rvf 400 and yamaha rd350lc here always up for a meet, chat or ride out

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By *enuineAndyMan over a year ago

Aroundabouts

Hi, Thundercat rider here. Based in Herts but I get around a fair bit ....!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi, Thundercat rider here. Based in Herts but I get around a fair bit ....!"

oohh.. what colour scheme ? i want one!

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By *lay_N_cum2Couple over a year ago

Somewhere in Scotland

We have a GSX1400...do loads of rallies and travel all over the country..just thought we would say hi.....lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone heading to the perverts in leather rally?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

New to biking this year

Hornet 600, looking for friends to ride out with...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Newish biker here, got my ZZR600. Up for ride outs and meets if anyone is about up north.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi long term biker here in Weymouth, had lots prefer Harleys now on my last bike lil Sportster. Any fun going to the likes of us Old guys?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Great to see you all - us bikers are hard to find on Fab...both of us ride (and not just bikes

)...

Have any fab ride-outs been arranged , or is there going to be another one if we've missed it because we came late lol...

BnF

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Great to see you all - us bikers are hard to find on Fab...both of us ride (and not just bikes

)...

Have any fab ride-outs been arranged , or is there going to be another one if we've missed it because we came late lol...

BnF

xx"

i was thinking of trying to sort something of a fab biker meet this year as we are planning on doing some touring around this year anyway.

also, just as an aside if anyone has an old K0-K4 CB350 kicking about they want rid of give us a shout thanks :D

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By *lutandhubbyCouple over a year ago

west midlands

a bikers meet sound good. xxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe bikers camping meet somewhere with nice roads....Wales perhaps ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe bikers camping meet somewhere with nice roads....Wales perhaps ?"

lol, funny you should say that!

we were joking about combining Marks biking site meet with all the bikers on fab the other day, which just so happens to be in wales.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

coventry biker here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe bikers camping meet somewhere with nice roads....Wales perhaps ?

lol, funny you should say that!

we were joking about combining Marks biking site meet with all the bikers on fab the other day, which just so happens to be in wales."

Well...there are some very nice camp sites in Wales....we'd be up for a weekend when it gets a bit warmer (it'd take us that long to arrange probably !!!)

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By *riptixMan over a year ago

Wendover

Biker singleton here too, Honda ST1100

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

Ohhh camping,bikes and pervs sounds up our street :D

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ohhh camping,bikes and pervs sounds up our street :D"

Who said anything about pervs - we're wholesome natural people hehehehehehe

Biking, Camping, Riding and healthy living anyone ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If any women or couples are heading to the TT this year let me know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A biker with no bike at the mo here, hi all! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi Dark Fairy....good to see you

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By *ohn_joCouple over a year ago

peterborough

peterborough bikers here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biker from Kent here

by the way this site would not allow pics of me on the Triumph (just too dam hot)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi Dark Fairy....good to see you"
hello to you both and thank you x

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

hi all good to see so many bikers on here. we should all get together sometime for a rideout or something more!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hi all good to see so many bikers on here. we should all get together sometime for a rideout or something more!!"
well we're in same city guys if you wanna meet up ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biker here in north yorks!! Up for a ride out anytime!! Triumph Daytona in black

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hi any couples over northern Irish road races get in touch vfr rider

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Blackbird couple here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blackbird couple here

I love Blackbirds.. ( well the look, never ridden one personally but i'd love to give it a go) nearly missed out on meeting Mark for a guy on a blackbird lol

Lucky he had a Sprint really (my other bike crush)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

telford triumph trophy riders here (would have been a zzr1100 but Em decided she didnt like it last summer and sold it for me lol)

ride in the UK and Ireland, when i take the bike over.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

teesside biker here hoping to be back on the road soon trx850 hoping to meet some new exciting friends feel free to message me for a chat or whatever

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

witlshire couple here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we'd be up for runs out/camping weekends & rallies, feel free to message us, we're often out and about on the bikes at the weekends xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi Pandora's other half on our couples account, just signing in as another avid biker here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I'm relativly new to swinging but been riding bikes for 30 years - the best thing is that bikers and swingers seem so alike, friendly, honest, up for fun and they don't really care if other people decide to judge them, they just get together and have a damn good time. Biker rallies are always friendly fun events so if anyone is heading for the BMF rally Peterboro in May or Faro rally Portugal (it's awesome) in July drop me a line and lets hook up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We're in xxx

J & J

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biker and sexy pillion here.

Sold the Thundercat last year for a GSXR750k9.

Let us know if a biker social is arranged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biker here!

Fireblade...out today for first ride of 2012.

Love to meet up with other Fabbers on bikes.

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

wow bikers r about,,,any couples doing any ogri rallies?

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By *ireblade07Couple over a year ago

redditch

just noticed this forum, lifelong bikers, on blades since they were born.

Mick and Angie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hi milton keynes zx9r rider here!

any locals in??

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By *andjMan over a year ago

newcastle

hi everyone, we didnt know there was a bikers bit on hear.our family consists of, z1000 (83) zrx400 hers 2x 250 gasgas's mine and sons, ty 80 sons first lol and a 125 yam scooter, yea its mine for work lol but cheap to run lol

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By *ugartitsandhimCouple over a year ago

North West

Will soon be biking season again .......... gonna get out a lot more on ours this year ......... if you see us give us a wave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will soon be biking season again .......... gonna get out a lot more on ours this year ......... if you see us give us a wave

biking season never ends for me,,, was on it yesterday for work lol but i will definitely give you a nod if i see you about..

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By *inge61Couple over a year ago

n/wales

bikers here both have them north wales and

isle of man

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

Blooming heck how many of us? at this rate we should start a Swinger MCC :D

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blooming heck how many of us? at this rate we should start a Swinger MCC :D"

Sounds like a good idea...

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

wot a fab idea swingers mcc lol

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

we r in tent city this weekend at ogri mcc kicksart,,,,any1 wanna keep us warm lol

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

"we r in tent city this weekend at ogri mcc kicksart,,,,any1 wanna keep us warm lol

Tents, this weekend, dear lords your brave souls

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

not only in a tent ,,but in a tent at an airfield,,,,i think we need our carbs balanced lol

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

just back from first rally of 2012,,,,have frozen our bits off,,,whos gonna come warm them lol xx

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By *uriouscouple93Man over a year ago

chadderton

Were bikers too, Honda Shadow, and lucky us a Bandit, Manchester rally?? with couples??

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

There's a Machester rally??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Any rally details would be great

First rally for me at the moment will be The BMF at Peterboro - Friday 18 May

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I tell a lie

First event will be The Dirty Donkey one nighter - Wallingford Oxon. Saturday 14 April includes burlesque show , then a run to the Ace Cafe Sunday morning and only a fiver

http://www.dirtydonkey.co.uk/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Looks like getting the bike out this year.

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By *ath-N-DelCouple over a year ago

Glasgow area

One of us is a biker...

The other a pillion lol

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By *eathersandlaceCouple over a year ago

Edinburgh

Blackbird couple in southern Scotland here...can't wait for the better weather!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

triumph rider but not in the snow i use my little kwaka for that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biker here, got a GSXR7/11 I'm building, Bandit 12 fighter, Kawasaki KE125 for less fun dirty weekends. All year round rider and sole form of transport

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

biker couple in chester, any other bikers on FAB in chester

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mark Has provisionally set a date for a rideout with some people for March 11th, Meeting at Box Hill at 10am and riding from Box Hill (Rykers Cafe) to Bury Hill (Whiteways Cafe) and back.

If anyone would like to join us that would be lovely just let us know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mark Has provisionally set a date for a rideout with some people for March 11th, Meeting at Box Hill at 10am and riding from Box Hill (Rykers Cafe) to Bury Hill (Whiteways Cafe) and back.

If anyone would like to join us that would be lovely just let us know

Free that Sunday so might see you there Will pm you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I ride a ninja 636 ltd edition tittanium

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mark Has provisionally set a date for a rideout with some people for March 11th, Meeting at Box Hill at 10am and riding from Box Hill (Rykers Cafe) to Bury Hill (Whiteways Cafe) and back.

If anyone would like to join us that would be lovely just let us know

Free that Sunday so might see you there Will pm you"

sounds awesome :D

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mark Has provisionally set a date for a rideout with some people for March 11th, Meeting at Box Hill at 10am and riding from Box Hill (Rykers Cafe) to Bury Hill (Whiteways Cafe) and back.

If anyone would like to join us that would be lovely just let us know

Putting it in my diary. Will do my best to get there.

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By *tripeCouple over a year ago

near newport

another biker couple here , would fancy meeting up if anything comes of it?? a few welsh on here as well ! looking forward to it. a&k

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hi, single biker here although the bike is off the road at the minute while it is totally customised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

just a quick one to let every biker know. there is an event on 18th march called the ride of respect. its a ride out from hullavington airfield through wooton bassett for charity. only costs £10, usually get 1000s of people and send rides of 750 bikes out roughly every 15 -20 mins.

hope to see you all there

http://www.rideofrespect.co.uk/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"just a quick one to let every biker know. there is an event on 18th march called the ride of respect. its a ride out from hullavington airfield through wooton bassett for charity. only costs £10, usually get 1000s of people and send rides of 750 bikes out roughly every 15 -20 mins.

hope to see you all there

http://www.rideofrespect.co.uk/"

Good call mate - did the first one and it was quite an experience - nice way for bikers to say thank you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yeah i did the last one and my bike did the first but unfortunately i wasn't able to ride it for the first one as i hadn't passed my test. went last year as a martial and doin the same this year, completely voluntary, but this one is the last one at wooton, maybe at all.

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

we do the r.o.r every year as our club is based at kemble

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

sounds good, maybe see you there!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scottish bike show soon

First outing of the year for our wee baby, hopefully it will be dry

freezing, but dry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone up for a run to Devils Bridge at kirby Lonsdale, Cumbria on Sunday?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scottish bike show soon

First outing of the year for our wee baby, hopefully it will be dry

freezing, but dry

"
Brill show, lot better than the NEC one. Love the stunt show comp if they still do it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Another Scouse biker here...

Now living in cheshire ride a Harley or Yammy sports depending on the ride and the company..

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By *arnsleyhotcplMan over a year ago

barnsley

a barnsley biker cpl hear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

bump for kareruss

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By *lowstick66Man over a year ago

Southcoast here, i will have a spare seat if we have a ride out. want to go for a ride?

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By *icebirminghamguyMan over a year ago

birmingham

Birmingham biker here, GSXR owner

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By *iavelmanMan over a year ago

Worcester

Anyone on here doing the PIL rally this year?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone on here doing the PIL rally this year?

was thinking about it till everything i own broke lol... but we are still doing the rideout the weekend of the 11th if anyone wants to join

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

"Anyone on here doing the PIL rally this year?

Yeah we are

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By *iavelmanMan over a year ago

Worcester

Will keep an eye out for you!

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By *ojo35Couple over a year ago

staffordshire

Staffordshire bikers here xxxxxx

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By *andWnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

"Will keep an eye out for you!"

We will no doubt be in the bar

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We will be going to the MCN show at Skegness in April if any guys going good bands and a good stunt show

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By *ich_shadiwMan over a year ago

closeish

South yorkshire biker here. So if anyone's up for a social ride out. Giz a message

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By *iavelmanMan over a year ago

Worcester

There are still tickets available for the Perverts In Leather Rally.

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By *b_chippenhamMan over a year ago

Chippenham

i think there r still some about

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By *lowstick66Man over a year ago

Anyone still going to box hill tomorrow?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone still going to box hill tomorrow?"

yeah we were there lol twice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

oh and once the day before lol

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By *lowstick66Man over a year ago

its the pioneer run this sunday 18th (london to brighton old bikes)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi everyone, we own Youtopia near Scarborough (some of you already know us), we are a club plus dedicated swingers campsite, we do camping rallies throughout the summer new info just posted on this forum.

Full club facilities, and 11 acres of outdoor space. See Youtopia on club page and our website.

If you would like a bikers camp, you can arrange your own, or we can arrange one for you, please let us know if anyone is interested.

Regular bikers meets are held in this area with races at Scarborough and its handy for North/South meets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nottingham biker here but wife dont ride. I have an american chopper on the theme of the terminator

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By *icebirminghamguyMan over a year ago

birmingham

If the weather is nice tomorrow, 19/03/12, will be going out riding after 1300hrs. Let me know if anyone fancies meeting up.

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By *ovedupstillCouple over a year ago

mullinwire

"Nottingham biker here but wife dont ride. I have an american chopper on the theme of the terminator"

very good airbrushing on the tank, there.

not a harley is it? would be a shame if it were lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The MFN in Shipley Gate starts again soon..does anyone visit here...??

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