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MMF vs MFM ...the difference
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"MFM is 2 straight guys with a woman. MMF is 2 bi guys with a woman. But, I dont understand why cos if theres more than 2 men witha woman, they can still be straight so it doesn't matter how the letters are ordered. I hope i made sense there x" When more men are involved it becomes a gang bang does it not.. This is purely relating to 3sums. Xx | |||
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"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx" . Thanks for the information I had no idea there was I difference. | |||
"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx" I've found couples ask about male on male play, and if this is something you're NOT looking for, then just say from the start | |||
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"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx I've found couples ask about male on male play, and if this is something you're NOT looking for, then just say from the start "Hence "MMF" & "MFM" | |||
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"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx I've found couples ask about male on male play, and if this is something you're NOT looking for, then just say from the start
Hence "MMF" & "MFM""And as the thread shows; not everyone is aware there's a difference, even though everyone knows there are two men and one woman. Hence; talk from the start | |||
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"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx" Great copy and paste from the 2018 article, word for word | |||
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"We had mmmmf. All the guys were straight. Hmmm " | |||
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"Love to try a MMF. Especially if the guys are really into each others cocks and fuck each other as well as suck." That is my kind of MMF | |||
"But what about MMMMF? They can be straight or bi "I asked this and got told it only mattered in a 3sjm arrangement where the letters were placed x | |||
"But what about MMMMF? They can be straight or bi
I asked this and got told it only mattered in a 3sjm arrangement where the letters were placed x"It really doesn’t matter where the letters are placed. Best to never assume and always clarify. That’s why I say my preferred format is a bi MMF the operative word being bi  | |||
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"But what about MMMMF? They can be straight or bi
I asked this and got told it only mattered in a 3sjm arrangement where the letters were placed x
It really doesn’t matter where the letters are placed. Best to never assume and always clarify. That’s why I say my preferred format is a bi MMF the operative word being bi "I agree. Just ask. Saves all sorts of misunderstandings x | |||
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"Wow, I never knew that so thank you for the information OP" You're most welcome! I dont get why people think it's the same when it's quite obviously different...why else would there be 2 variations....  | |||
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"MFM is 2 straight guys with a woman. MMF is 2 bi guys with a woman. But, I dont understand why cos if theres more than 2 men witha woman, they can still be straight so it doesn't matter how the letters are ordered. I hope i made sense there x When more men are involved it becomes a gang bang does it not.. This is purely relating to 3sums. Xx" Three men isn’t enough for a gangbang. It’s normally written as MMMF. | |||
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"I find this a pointless distinction tbh. If you follow that logic then in an FFM there’d be no contact between the man and one of the women. Personally I use MMF for two men and one woman and bi MMF if the men play with each other as well as the woman. But for those who do use MFM - does this mean you rule out DVP?" some will, some won’t | |||
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"What if one man is straight and the other is bi. What do you call it then? " Sexploration | |||
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"I never knew that! Glad I do now though. Last thing I ever want to be involved in is a MMF "Which is why we ask for MFM | |||
"Love to try a MMF. Especially if the guys are really into each others cocks and fuck each other as well as suck. That is my kind of MMF " | |||
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"We had mmmmf. All the guys were straight. Hmmm " That's called lucky bitch | |||
"So is it the same for ffm and fmf? " Yes | |||
"Personally I've never seen the distinction. I've had 3sums with 2 men which have always been called mmf but never had anything beyond accidental touching, or helping someone get to where they need to be positioned after someone slips out. By your definition this is probably mfm rather than mmf. Defo up for a true mmf though, I love watching 2 guys together as much as you guys seem to love watching 2 women together " I'm ready when you are!  | |||
"MFM is 2 straight guys with a woman. MMF is 2 bi guys with a woman. But, I dont understand why cos if theres more than 2 men witha woman, they can still be straight so it doesn't matter how the letters are ordered. I hope i made sense there x When more men are involved it becomes a gang bang does it not.. This is purely relating to 3sums. Xx Three men isn’t enough for a gangbang. It’s normally written as MMMF." Greedy girl lol | |||
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"Glad to be of service!! Xxx" Er, I think he's asking you not to be!!! | |||
"I knew this already, but wonder if it's the same principle for FFM and FMF threesomes? "We have both on ours lol | |||
"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx Great copy and paste from the 2018 article, word for word " Very true...I've posted this to help those who dont know the difference! | |||
"Wasnt aware of the difference ... ive been the F in both scenarios and enjoyed mmfm and mffm ... vive la difference Vixen" Its the difference that makes the difference! | |||
"MFM is 2 straight guys with a woman. MMF is 2 bi guys with a woman. But, I dont understand why cos if theres more than 2 men witha woman, they can still be straight so it doesn't matter how the letters are ordered. I hope i made sense there x When more men are involved it becomes a gang bang does it not.. This is purely relating to 3sums. Xx Three men isn’t enough for a gangbang. It’s normally written as MMMF. Greedy girl lol" I would be if I could find enough men I actually fancy and trust enough for that - not easy sadly. | |||
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" I would be if I could find enough men I actually fancy and trust enough for that - not easy sadly." Shame you're so far away  | |||
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"Oh I thought.. Mfm is a couple adding a male Mmf is 2 males with a female.. Ie non relationship.. .. Ive had Mmf.. As I'm single I wouldn't say.. mfm Clear in my head... Lol" It would appear that quite a few heads are now clearer than they were! Xxx | |||
"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx" How many times do we have to dispel this utter garbage? As a woman I have enjoyed MMFs, MMMFs MMMMFs and MMMMMFs - in every case the Ms have been totally straight and anything else would have been a turn-off for me. Perhaps in his infinite wisdom the OP could 'educate' me on how to write a totally straight MMMF let alone an MMMMMF. The order of the letters is absolutely immaterial - it's how the participants decide to play that counts. | |||
"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx How many times do we have to dispel this utter garbage? As a woman I have enjoyed MMFs, MMMFs MMMMFs and MMMMMFs - in every case the Ms have been totally straight and anything else would have been a turn-off for me. Perhaps in his infinite wisdom the OP could 'educate' me on how to write a totally straight MMMF let alone an MMMMMF. The order of the letters is absolutely immaterial - it's how the participants decide to play that counts." Smiles | |||
"I knew this already, but wonder if it's the same principle for FFM and FMF threesomes?
We have both on ours lol"You're missing the FMF | |||
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" Perhaps in his infinite wisdom the OP could 'educate' me on how to write a totally straight MMMF let alone an MMMMMF. " The only answer I've seen to this question is that if more than 3 are involved the order doesn't matter which is a complete cop out of course.  | |||
"What a complete load of old bollocks OP. Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel." No. You are wrong. When it comes to threesomes, which what MMF, MFM, FFM & FMF indicates, The order of the letters IS important...that is why there is a difference!!! | |||
"Perhaps in his infinite wisdom the OP could 'educate' me on how to write a totally straight MMMF let alone an MMMMMF." You see this is where you have not read the post correctly. This is purely relating to 3sums, not 4 or moresomes!!! | |||
"What a complete load of old bollocks OP. Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel." who makes up these nonsense rules? The majority of people here didn't know that there was a difference, therefore there isn't one,it's only the people who want to sound clever and superior to others that come up with this sort of tosh. | |||
"What a complete load of old bollocks OP. Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel. who makes up these nonsense rules? The majority of people here didn't know that there was a difference, therefore there isn't one,it's only the people who want to sound clever and superior to others that come up with this sort of tosh. "If there is NO difference why IS there a difference???? | |||
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"Not true, it just means a threesome with 2 guys and a gal, doesn’t indicate the M’s orientation at all." as the majority here believe, but we won't change the opinion of twits that want to act superior to others. | |||
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"Make love not war people...stop attacking the OP and lets all try and sort this out with a nice MMMFMMM* (*willing to be in the middle of that lovely sexy bi centipede) "I'll drink to that..if I can't be one of the m,can I watch? | |||
"Not true, it just means a threesome with 2 guys and a gal, doesn’t indicate the M’s orientation at all. as the majority here believe, but we won't change the opinion of twits that want to act superior to others. "I am certainly not wanting to act nor appear "superior" to anyone.. But you wouldn't say that all fuels are the same would you...or would you?? Those that have unfortunately put petrol in their diesel cars would agree! | |||
"Make love not war people...stop attacking the OP and lets all try and sort this out with a nice MMMFMMM* (*willing to be in the middle of that lovely sexy bi centipede) I'll drink to that..if I can't be one of the m,can I watch? "I'm up for that!! | |||
"We had mmmmf. All the guys were straight. Hmmm " Maybe m mfm m | |||
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"What a complete load of old bollocks OP. Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel. No. You are wrong. When it comes to threesomes, which what MMF, MFM, FFM & FMF indicates, The order of the letters IS important...that is why there is a difference!!!" My understanding of your argument is that the letter in the middle plays with the letters on either side but the letters on either side don’t play with each other, hence MFM and FMF. But that logic falls down when talking about FFM and MMF, because it implies that F1 plays with F2 but not M, or M1 plays with M2 but not F. Obviously in a bi threesome that’s not the case! So as no-one had been able to explain that to me, I’m just going to stick to saying MMF and making sure there’s discussion of boundaries I think | |||
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"What a complete load of old bollocks OP. Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel. No. You are wrong. When it comes to threesomes, which what MMF, MFM, FFM & FMF indicates, The order of the letters IS important...that is why there is a difference!!! My understanding of your argument is that the letter in the middle plays with the letters on either side but the letters on either side don’t play with each other, hence MFM and FMF. But that logic falls down when talking about FFM and MMF, because it implies that F1 plays with F2 but not M, or M1 plays with M2 but not F. Obviously in a bi threesome that’s not the case! So as no-one had been able to explain that to me, I’m just going to stick to saying MMF and making sure there’s discussion of boundaries I think "When the 2 M's and the 2 F's are together it denotes bisexuality between them..not that one "doesn't play" with the other ..if you get my drift. | |||
"What a complete load of old bollocks OP. Why do people keep trying to re-invent the wheel. No. You are wrong. When it comes to threesomes, which what MMF, MFM, FFM & FMF indicates, The order of the letters IS important...that is why there is a difference!!! My understanding of your argument is that the letter in the middle plays with the letters on either side but the letters on either side don’t play with each other, hence MFM and FMF. But that logic falls down when talking about FFM and MMF, because it implies that F1 plays with F2 but not M, or M1 plays with M2 but not F. Obviously in a bi threesome that’s not the case! So as no-one had been able to explain that to me, I’m just going to stick to saying MMF and making sure there’s discussion of boundaries I think
When the 2 M's and the 2 F's are together it denotes bisexuality between them..not that one "doesn't play" with the other ..if you get my drift."Well I’m not the letter police so y’all can put them in whatever order you want, but there’s no logic to this that I can see. You’ve explained one version one way and the other version another way when there should be consistency between them, so my original view that it’s a silly distinction stands. Plus if the majority of people don’t “know the difference” then to all intents and purposes there isn’t a difference. I do know that if someone was insistent on saying MFM and I was supposed to be the F, it would put me off because I’d feel like it was going to be awkward and uptight with a lot of “no homo” posturing. I obviously don’t expect two straight men to play with each other, but I’d rather not have “eww, willies” spoiling the flow. | |||
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"This post was not about stating that people are wrong in their assumption of the terms MMF, MFM, FMF or FFM. It was purely to provide information on the difference between them. Nothing more & nothing less... "....and it's very presumtious of you to even think anyone might need to be provided with this (mis)information. I think we're probably all perfectly capable of understanding when a situation involves bisexuality and know whether to proceed or not - irrespective of the order of any letters. | |||
"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx" Who says and cares what order the letters are in Surely someone uptight and anal came up with that tosh | |||
"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx Who says and cares what order the letters are in Surely someone uptight and anal came up with that tosh "Agree. If you're talking with anyone about MMF or MFF or MMMFF or whatever takes your fancy, take the time to find out what exactly everyone wants. I've always read these as numbers of people involved and you set expectations about who does what when you start chatting. Rules and expecting everyone to have the same understanding by ordering of letters feels a little unrealistic. And probably not understood by many (I didn't, in spite of experience in all those fields.) I prefer light hearted to excessive rules - we're all human. | |||
"This post was not about stating that people are wrong in their assumption of the terms MMF, MFM, FMF or FFM. It was purely to provide information on the difference between them. Nothing more & nothing less...
....and it's very presumtious of you to even think anyone might need to be provided with this (mis)information.
"Lots of people were not aware of it. When we first started we asked for MMF and got many mails from bi men asking for what they said we were asking for...which in their eyes was a bi MMF When they explained what they meant we changed it to MFM and we hardly ever got asked for a bi MMF after that | |||
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"This post was not about stating that people are wrong in their assumption of the terms MMF, MFM, FMF or FFM. It was purely to provide information on the difference between them. Nothing more & nothing less...
....and it's very presumtious of you to even think anyone might need to be provided with this (mis)information.
Lots of people were not aware of it.
When we first started we asked for MMF and got many mails from bi men asking for what they said we were asking for...which in their eyes was a bi MMF When they explained what they meant we changed it to MFM and we hardly ever got asked for a bi MMF after that"They are not aware of it because there is nothing to be aware of! | |||
"This post was not about stating that people are wrong in their assumption of the terms MMF, MFM, FMF or FFM. It was purely to provide information on the difference between them. Nothing more & nothing less... "Which would be fine if the information was correct. But as someone said so succinctly "it's a load of old bollocks" | |||
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"This is not intended to be snarky or anything like that, although I'm certain that someone around here will take it as such.... This is more educational than anything because I know that not everyone is aware that there is a huge difference between MMF and MFM. Some of you are going "DUH?" right now, but it is definitely not clear to many. Obviously it means a threesome with two guys and one girl. The confusion seems to be where many list as looking for MMF when they don't realize that MMF is a threesome with Male/Male contact included. Hence, the two M's touching each other in the descriptor. MFM is the designation for a threesome with two guys and a girl where there is NO Male/Male contact (aside from the incidental stuff that happens on occasion) and where none is wanted. Xxx" their is no such distinction its just a jumble of capital letters which as we all know refer to male and female, the couple could of course be two men and not necessarily gay men, fab straight men who want to introduce a woman to their peni(plural of penis) for the purpose of sexual exploration of course the couple could be male and female introducing another male to play with both the fab straight male and the in need female but no matter what way you jumble the letters up its all in the profiles no mistaking who's at the other end | |||
"Kazmar beat me to it ^^^ what they say! Everyone is correct for themselves so stop with the beating each other up over who is correct! Just talk about your personal comfort zones and decide what you're going to call it! And have fun "Aaawww thanks for the back up. Sorry to see you’re leaving this frantic site of misfits. Happy adventures. XxxkarenandmartinxxX | |||
"Kazmar beat me to it ^^^ what they say! Everyone is correct for themselves so stop with the beating each other up over who is correct! Just talk about your personal comfort zones and decide what you're going to call it! And have fun
Aaawww thanks for the back up. Sorry to see you’re leaving this frantic site of misfits. Happy adventures. XxxkarenandmartinxxX "Thanks! It's been an awesome ride on here! xxx | |||
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"Kazmar beat me to it ^^^ what they say! Everyone is correct for themselves so stop with the beating each other up over who is correct! Just talk about your personal comfort zones and decide what you're going to call it! And have fun
Aaawww thanks for the back up. Sorry to see you’re leaving this frantic site of misfits. Happy adventures. XxxkarenandmartinxxX
Thanks! It's been an awesome ride on here! xxx"Well, you have a wonderful life, you’ll be missed by the sounds of it. XxxkarenandmartinxxX | |||
"This post was not about stating that people are wrong in their assumption of the terms MMF, MFM, FMF or FFM. It was purely to provide information on the difference between them. Nothing more & nothing less...
....and it's very presumtious of you to even think anyone might need to be provided with this (mis)information.
Lots of people were not aware of it.
When we first started we asked for MMF and got many mails from bi men asking for what they said we were asking for...which in their eyes was a bi MMF When they explained what they meant we changed it to MFM and we hardly ever got asked for a bi MMF after that
They are not aware of it because there is nothing to be aware of!"I was aware of it after being told by someone. Whether they were right or not I don't really care, but it worked for us as people assumed we were looking for a straight threesome, So I would say they were aware too. I am going to have to go read the thread again to see what has got you wound up. I vill be back | |||
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