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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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Evening all!

Recently got in to photography and looking to do some naughty shoots. For free of course. Anyone interested? Who knows could even end up with some fun.

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Do you provide sex during the shooting ?

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh. "

Why? Still can be discreet as well as a photographer.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"Do you provide sex during the shooting ? "

I don’t but if the people

That I was meeting was then that’s fine.

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By *inkycreamCouple  over a year ago

manchester

There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings "

Am sure there is. I however don’t at the min as I am quite new however it’s a good hobbie to get in to if you make a living out of it.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Discretion doesn't mean no pictures. It means carefully taken pictures.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"Discretion doesn't mean no pictures. It means carefully taken pictures. "

Fair point well brought out. However some people’s level of discretion is different to others.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And being a nice guy you wouldn’t keep any off the pics or use them?

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"And being a nice guy you wouldn’t keep any off the pics or use them? "

Only if the person/s wanted me to. Would always send them the finished product after being edited. More for helping me get better at taking pictures if I am quite honest.

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By *uenevereWoman  over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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Thanks for your input.

However am sure there would be plenty of communication before the shoot happened and am sure both parties or more would be on the same page.

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By *AYENCouple  over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Unless you're a professional with a decent portfolio you're highly unlikely to get any takers and there definitely should be a charge - by the model.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You got to compete with the free photographer/ free massage brigade !!! Half a job lol

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish

Im quite content with my selfies.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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Again thanks for your input ladies.

Will be making notes for it. Free massage brigade? Never heard of it

And your selfies are beautiful!

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By *hesexpeopleCouple  over a year ago

s wales

Try it out OP you never know you may get lucky, I wish you well with your photography, although maybe put up some arty shots of you to show your skill, doesn’t have to be your face

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"Try it out OP you never know you may get lucky, I wish you well with your photography, although maybe put up some arty shots of you to show your skill, doesn’t have to be your face "

Thank you for your advice and I will look to use it in the future!

Many thanks.

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh.

Why? Still can be discreet as well as a photographer. "

To show how good you are or show your style off. A shadow avatar doesn't give much of a clue!

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk."

It's come up many times before, and this answer is always right.

If I see photographer or massage in a message I delete without going further. It's not a selling point here.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh.

Why? Still can be discreet as well as a photographer.

To show how good you are or show your style off. A shadow avatar doesn't give much of a clue!

"

Point taken.

However as I have only just started with erotic photos then it’s quite hard to showcase anything.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk.

It's come up many times before, and this answer is always right.

If I see photographer or massage in a message I delete without going further. It's not a selling point here. "

Always right in some cases not all.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk.

It's come up many times before, and this answer is always right.

If I see photographer or massage in a message I delete without going further. It's not a selling point here.

Always right in some cases not all. "

You've given no reason to overcome these misgivings.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk.

It's come up many times before, and this answer is always right.

If I see photographer or massage in a message I delete without going further. It's not a selling point here.

Always right in some cases not all.

You've given no reason to overcome these misgivings. "

And am not trying to give you a reason. It’s clear that you have your own opinion on the subject, that’s completely fine.

The website is hard enough to get chatting on etc never mind with people who lie about being photographer, massagers etc.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk.

It's come up many times before, and this answer is always right.

If I see photographer or massage in a message I delete without going further. It's not a selling point here.

Always right in some cases not all.

You've given no reason to overcome these misgivings.

And am not trying to give you a reason. It’s clear that you have your own opinion on the subject, that’s completely fine.

The website is hard enough to get chatting on etc never mind with people who lie about being photographer, massagers etc. "

Well yes. And what I'm saying is, claiming to be a photographer will likely make it harder.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk.

It's come up many times before, and this answer is always right.

If I see photographer or massage in a message I delete without going further. It's not a selling point here.

Always right in some cases not all.

You've given no reason to overcome these misgivings.

And am not trying to give you a reason. It’s clear that you have your own opinion on the subject, that’s completely fine.

The website is hard enough to get chatting on etc never mind with people who lie about being photographer, massagers etc.

Well yes. And what I'm saying is, claiming to be a photographer will likely make it harder. "

Point taken however am willing to be honest and roll with it. What’s the point in changing and lieing if your doing it just because people don’t like it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’m a photographer... Do the odd wedding here and there. I’m more of an artist photographer and more in to dereliction / weird. Have some of my work in art galleries. Started off as a hobby but brought me some work. Never done nude shoots though! If anyone wants to take a nosy I’m on Insta.

PM me

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By *uenevereWoman  over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I’m a photographer... Do the odd wedding here and there. I’m more of an artist photographer and more in to dereliction / weird. Have some of my work in art galleries. Started off as a hobby but brought me some work. Never done nude shoots though! If anyone wants to take a nosy I’m on Insta.

PM me "

Good lord another one

At least you have photos, sadly they do not inspire confidence in you as a photographer.

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh.

Why? Still can be discreet as well as a photographer.

To show how good you are or show your style off. A shadow avatar doesn't give much of a clue!

Point taken.

However as I have only just started with erotic photos then it’s quite hard to showcase anything. "

Ok.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I’m a photographer... Do the odd wedding here and there. I’m more of an artist photographer and more in to dereliction / weird. Have some of my work in art galleries. Started off as a hobby but brought me some work. Never done nude shoots though! If anyone wants to take a nosy I’m on Insta.

PM me "

When your own selfie is blurred, I'm not sure you'll win much business.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You’ll have better chances for a meet saying you’ll go round and do the ironing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I’m a photographer... Do the odd wedding here and there. I’m more of an artist photographer and more in to dereliction / weird. Have some of my work in art galleries. Started off as a hobby but brought me some work. Never done nude shoots though! If anyone wants to take a nosy I’m on Insta.

PM me

When your own selfie is blurred, I'm not sure you'll win much business. "

I’m just stating i am a photographer... blurred pic or not i get plenty of business thanks and i do ok on here.

I don’t state i do photography on my profile as keep it seperate from this lifestyle.

I did say if anyone wants see my work then PM me for my Insta profile and I’ve never done sexy/nude pics and don’t want to pursue anything of that here so not sure what your beef is?!!!

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh.

Why? Still can be discreet as well as a photographer.

To show how good you are or show your style off. A shadow avatar doesn't give much of a clue!

Point taken.

However as I have only just started with erotic photos then it’s quite hard to showcase anything. "

Why not showcase yourself? No need for models etc.

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple  over a year ago

kent

I have a strong interest in taking photos of others. But it’s not something to approach casually. You need a strong portfolio to begin with, because people need to love your pictures for a conversation to begin.

Taking a photograph of someone naked or having sex requires enormous trust and respect. Not just because in the moment the model(s) are vulnerable, but because afterwards you have a record of them in that vulnerable moment. Your models must believe that you will treat their image with absolute respect. That kind of trust takes time to build, and you need to conduct yourself with considerable integrity.

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By * and M lookingCouple  over a year ago

Worcester

Mr M isn’t a photographer but we like the results that he gets with his Nikon

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By *inkerbell67Woman  over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

If you have pics taken get a model release form ..

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple  over a year ago

kent


"Mr M isn’t a photographer but we like the results that he gets with his Nikon "

I’m liking the results he gets too

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By *aughtyLondonGuyMan  over a year ago

london

Hahah nice try

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple  over a year ago

kent


"If you have pics taken get a model release form .."

Agreed. Even if you don’t have an actual contract, agree before hand, in writing, exactly how the photographs will be used, what the boundaries and restrictions are, and what permissions are being given. This protects the photographer as well as the models, so it’s in everyone’s interest to do this

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple  over a year ago

Hartlepool

There's a thing on fab where men message people saying they're photographers just so they can come and watch.

It's weird because none of these people can send us anything from their portfolio.

If you're a perv with a good camera then just say you'll be happy to hold the camera.

Just for anyone thinking about this, the person who owns the camera owns the photos unless there's a contract saying otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Evening all!

Recently got in to photography and looking to do some naughty shoots. For free of course. Anyone interested? Who knows could even end up with some fun. "

As an amateur photographer myself (with zero interest in offering to take pictures for free) I would expect your profile might be more credible and you might get a better response if you mention the equipment you are using, the software for post processing and provide some sample artistic, well shot portrait shots of yourself (using a tripod and remote) or preferably a willing model on your profile.

Wouldn't you agree?

Yoi can hardly expect people to be interested in your work if you don't show it.

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By *rai69Man  over a year ago

Braintree


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings

Am sure there is. I however don’t at the min as I am quite new however it’s a good hobbie to get in to if you make a living out of it. "

It's not a hobby if your making a living out of it.

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"There's a thing on fab where men message people saying they're photographers just so they can come and watch.

It's weird because none of these people can send us anything from their portfolio.

If you're a perv with a good camera then just say you'll be happy to hold the camera.

Just for anyone thinking about this, the person who owns the camera owns the photos unless there's a contract saying otherwise. "

Not quite - the person who triggers the shutter owns the copyright to the image irrespective of who owns the equipment used, which is completely different to image rights usage.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings "

I’ve had a lot of photographers contact me but after several chats, found its an easy way for guys to get into my knickers. Pays to do your homework.

However I did choose an amateur photographer and we’ve had three shoots so far which has been great. Two in the studio and one on location with my horses, it was rather sexy knowing i was teasing for the shots but nothing could happen in the studio although soft play was great

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings "

Portrait, fine art , fashion, commercial, boudoir and glamour. But not weddings

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings

Portrait, fine art , fashion, commercial, boudoir and glamour. But not weddings "

Takes a special kind of masochist to do weddings

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings

Portrait, fine art , fashion, commercial, boudoir and glamour. But not weddings

Takes a special kind of masochist to do weddings

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings

Portrait, fine art , fashion, commercial, boudoir and glamour. But not weddings

Takes a special kind of masochist to do weddings

"

Insurance is bad enough, screw up the big day

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By *ohohoWoman  over a year ago

Up North


"Evening all!

Recently got in to photography and looking to do some naughty shoots. For free of course. Anyone interested? Who knows could even end up with some fun. "

My partner is also a amateur photographer. He has taken photos of women he has met, but only have they have built up a lot of trust. These shoots have never ended in fun as he has his photographer head on those days. His own profile is full of arty photos of him, which demonstrates his skills.

I am sure someone eventually will take up your kind offer. Just keep practicing.

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By *ohohoWoman  over a year ago

Up North

No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile. "

Thank you some of us really are photographers

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By *ntrigued32Couple  over a year ago

Nottingham


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

Thank you some of us really are photographers "

I think it shows and if someone was offering out photography services on here that is the sort of pics we would expect to see on their profile

D.

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple  over a year ago

Hartlepool


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

Thank you some of us really are photographers

I think it shows and if someone was offering out photography services on here that is the sort of pics we would expect to see on their profile

D."

Agree with that. Some great shots there No Eye.

We've had messages from "photographers" offering shoots and say to check their public pics to see their work.. and the photos are just standard looking fab photos.

I (Beast) studied photography so people trying their luck with some poorly took photos doesn't really work.

You can tell actual photographers from chancers.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

trust no one is my motto ... we had a friend who showed us how these clever ill take your photo guys can get around keeping your pics with out you even knowing all they need to do is makesure the camera in connected to the smart phone that has a certain program on that automatically put the pics on a cloud type app as soon as pic taken ...the guys then take the memory card out and act as if they are giving you the pics knowing when they get home there copies will be on this cloud app waiting for them as wank fodder or worse bl**kmail ...its true not all will but how will you know 100% ... not named the program needed for good reason ..... not everyone is honest

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

this program is also being used by doggers with smart phones who stand back and watch pretending they are texting but they are recording knowing its going live str8 to there apps for when they get home

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By *ohohoWoman  over a year ago

Up North


"trust no one is my motto ... we had a friend who showed us how these clever ill take your photo guys can get around keeping your pics with out you even knowing all they need to do is makesure the camera in connected to the smart phone that has a certain program on that automatically put the pics on a cloud type app as soon as pic taken ...the guys then take the memory card out and act as if they are giving you the pics knowing when they get home there copies will be on this cloud app waiting for them as wank fodder or worse bl**kmail ...its true not all will but how will you know 100% ... not named the program needed for good reason ..... not everyone is honest"

My camera does that. Transfers photos by Bluetooth to my phone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

yep but this app takes the pics off your phone to a safe place so someone could demand to see your phone and the pics would not be there

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

Thank you some of us really are photographers "

Anyone can take pictures these days but not everyone is a photographer. They do actually exist lol, partner is an pro photographer

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

it does it with video too

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"trust no one is my motto ... we had a friend who showed us how these clever ill take your photo guys can get around keeping your pics with out you even knowing all they need to do is makesure the camera in connected to the smart phone that has a certain program on that automatically put the pics on a cloud type app as soon as pic taken ...the guys then take the memory card out and act as if they are giving you the pics knowing when they get home there copies will be on this cloud app waiting for them as wank fodder or worse bl**kmail ...its true not all will but how will you know 100% ... not named the program needed for good reason ..... not everyone is honest"

No professional photographer is ever going to do this, it would be professional suicide, not to mention the legal ramifications; lots of half-baked BS gets spouted about this subject.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oh look i have a phone,yay im a photographer now..lol

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

Thank you some of us really are photographers

Anyone can take pictures these days but not everyone is a photographer. They do actually exist lol, partner is an pro photographer "

One thing that does always amuse me is - great photos you must have a really good camera, yet you never hear people say to a chef - great meal you must have a really good cooker ??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"trust no one is my motto ... we had a friend who showed us how these clever ill take your photo guys can get around keeping your pics with out you even knowing all they need to do is makesure the camera in connected to the smart phone that has a certain program on that automatically put the pics on a cloud type app as soon as pic taken ...the guys then take the memory card out and act as if they are giving you the pics knowing when they get home there copies will be on this cloud app waiting for them as wank fodder or worse bl**kmail ...its true not all will but how will you know 100% ... not named the program needed for good reason ..... not everyone is honest

No professional photographer is ever going to do this, it would be professional suicide, not to mention the legal ramifications; lots of half-baked BS gets spouted about this subject. "

if its half baked b s then why does it happen ???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"yep but this app takes the pics off your phone to a safe place so someone could demand to see your phone and the pics would not be there"

Most phones have private galleries on their phones which are heavy encrypted and keep all you photos safe. I wouldn't trust any so called "safe place" in the cloud because they are not that safe its all marketing and a false sense of security.

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"trust no one is my motto ... we had a friend who showed us how these clever ill take your photo guys can get around keeping your pics with out you even knowing all they need to do is makesure the camera in connected to the smart phone that has a certain program on that automatically put the pics on a cloud type app as soon as pic taken ...the guys then take the memory card out and act as if they are giving you the pics knowing when they get home there copies will be on this cloud app waiting for them as wank fodder or worse bl**kmail ...its true not all will but how will you know 100% ... not named the program needed for good reason ..... not everyone is honest

No professional photographer is ever going to do this, it would be professional suicide, not to mention the legal ramifications; lots of half-baked BS gets spouted about this subject.

if its half baked b s then why does it happen ??? "

Name me a professional photographer that has done this - not some “he said, she said”

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"No_eye_deer

great photos you must have a really good camera, yet you never hear people say to a chef - great meal you must have a really good cooker ??"

That's true. 95 percent of the photo it the composition and the subject. Best camera is the one that's with you. I've taken lots of pictures that I'm happy with using a simple smartphone. I don't carry my main camera bag everywhere. Too heavy.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And whilst it's true that you can set up a dslr to fling photos to a computer or ipad - lots of people do this to allow them to examine the photo they just took on a big screen - I would tend to agree that no professional or indeed ethical amateur would keep duplicates without consent.

An amateur on a site like this might do though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

Thank you some of us really are photographers

Anyone can take pictures these days but not everyone is a photographer. They do actually exist lol, partner is an pro photographer

One thing that does always amuse me is - great photos you must have a really good camera, yet you never hear people say to a chef - great meal you must have a really good cooker ??"

Get asked a lot at shows and exhibitions which camera to use, which is best. He will always say "the best camera is the one you have with you" spooky

The best photographer quote I have seen in a profile is "I have the best camera money can buy and I know how to use it"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm a model and would not consider working for you.

You need to have images of your style of work.

Also models unless new will only work for free or tfp if the images they will receive have something for them.

Failing that your only option to learn is to pay models.

Expect to pay 25 an hour for art nude. Also any sort of sleaze or inappropriate behaviour and they will report you to the police. It's a job not a chance to meet people for sex.

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"yep but this app takes the pics off your phone to a safe place so someone could demand to see your phone and the pics would not be there"

Well anyone claiming to be a photographer would surely be using a camera in the first place, I know I wouldn’t turn up for a shoot with just my phone - would make life a lot easier though and save lugging a heavy camera bag, lights and light stands

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By *ubybabyCouple  over a year ago

lincoln ish


"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh. "
I agree with this lady get some life in to your profile show case your talents

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"No_eye_deer

You have fabulous photos on your profile.

Thank you some of us really are photographers

Anyone can take pictures these days but not everyone is a photographer. They do actually exist lol, partner is an pro photographer

One thing that does always amuse me is - great photos you must have a really good camera, yet you never hear people say to a chef - great meal you must have a really good cooker ??

Get asked a lot at shows and exhibitions which camera to use, which is best. He will always say "the best camera is the one you have with you" spooky

The best photographer quote I have seen in a profile is "I have the best camera money can buy and I know how to use it" "

Probably the same ones you see at photography shows wandering around with their 400m L lenses attached to their camera!

Most of my fab pics are taken with my old Olympus OMD - too much of a faff getting the Nikons and big heavy glass out just to take some selfies

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By *lan157Man  over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex


"You’ll have better chances for a meet saying you’ll go round and do the ironing. "

That is classic. I am still laughing as I type.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I would expect a photographer to have some decent public pics tbh. "

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

new

The photographer police are well and truly out on this post ain’t they.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The photographer police are well and truly out on this post ain’t they....."

It's not about photographer police.

It's like offering a building service but just tell the customer you are still learning bit you will be good.

I've worked with over 100 photographers so just offering genuine advise.

I would not look for someone on here to do my pics

I've had it before offering to do me free pics. Like I should be grateful someone with a cheap camera from Argos or a camera phone is going to do me free pics I can actually use.

You need to look on modelling sites and het your wallet out I'm affraid

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

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"The photographer police are well and truly out on this post ain’t they.....

It's not about photographer police.

It's like offering a building service but just tell the customer you are still learning bit you will be good.

I've worked with over 100 photographers so just offering genuine advise.

I would not look for someone on here to do my pics

I've had it before offering to do me free pics. Like I should be grateful someone with a cheap camera from Argos or a camera phone is going to do me free pics I can actually use.

You need to look on modelling sites and het your wallet out I'm affraid "

I really appreciate your advice.

As far as cheap camera goes etc I can assure you that’s not what I am about.

I am just looking to get better at my hobbie I am

Interested. Even if I took the pics then in sat there with said persons and deleted them in front of them.

Practice makes perfect etc.

Maybe you could give me some more advice if possible please.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you're looking to become a better portrait photographer than take some pictures of clothed people. Get some books and go to classes on composition.

Suggesting that you learn photography with nude people (and maybe some fun thrown in) makes it seen like photography is not your main interest, nudity is. I don't mean to sound unkind but that's just how it looks to me.

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

new


"If you're looking to become a better portrait photographer than take some pictures of clothed people. Get some books and go to classes on composition.

Suggesting that you learn photography with nude people (and maybe some fun thrown in) makes it seen like photography is not your main interest, nudity is. I don't mean to sound unkind but that's just how it looks to me. "

Point taken.

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"The photographer police are well and truly out on this post ain’t they.....

It's not about photographer police.

It's like offering a building service but just tell the customer you are still learning bit you will be good.

I've worked with over 100 photographers so just offering genuine advise.

I would not look for someone on here to do my pics

I've had it before offering to do me free pics. Like I should be grateful someone with a cheap camera from Argos or a camera phone is going to do me free pics I can actually use.

You need to look on modelling sites and het your wallet out I'm affraid "

^^This

Get on Purpleport, Madcow or any of the other modelling sites - Some studios even advertise organised group days on there, these can be a good intro into shooting a model (or 2) with studio lights and fellow enthusiasts.

And having a model who knows how to pose and is comfortable in front of the camera is a massive help when your starting out (some models are also very good photographers themselves so may even help with the tech aspects) otherwise it can be a case of the blind leading the blind.

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

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By *entleRMan  over a year ago

Telford


"There’s a lot of people saying there photographers on here, wondering if they do weddings "

Are wedding photos acceptable on a samsung S8

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

"

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

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By *totheizzo OP   Man  over a year ago

new


"The photographer police are well and truly out on this post ain’t they.....

It's not about photographer police.

It's like offering a building service but just tell the customer you are still learning bit you will be good.

I've worked with over 100 photographers so just offering genuine advise.

I would not look for someone on here to do my pics

I've had it before offering to do me free pics. Like I should be grateful someone with a cheap camera from Argos or a camera phone is going to do me free pics I can actually use.

You need to look on modelling sites and het your wallet out I'm affraid

^^This

Get on Purpleport, Madcow or any of the other modelling sites - Some studios even advertise organised group days on there, these can be a good intro into shooting a model (or 2) with studio lights and fellow enthusiasts.

And having a model who knows how to pose and is comfortable in front of the camera is a massive help when your starting out (some models are also very good photographers themselves so may even help with the tech aspects) otherwise it can be a case of the blind leading the blind.

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

"

Thank you again for the advice.

I have a Nikon D5300

Lens - 35mm 50mm 70-300mm 18-55mm lens

And a Nikon speed light.

Just about to purchase some studio lighting. Soft boxes etc.

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By *ooliganMan  over a year ago

Preston

I use decent photography equipment for my work and have recently started concentrating on landscape work, and have sold a few images and won a couple of comps. I use a Nikon D800 with 20 and 50mm primes and a selection of teles. I also have softbox lighting.

I'd love to have a go at photographing people in erotic or implied erotic situations, and I might as well be completely honest, if it evolved into something more, I'd be more than happy!

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By *r_Jake70Man  over a year ago

London

I’m an amateur trombonist. If any couples would like me to play to them while they fuck please PM me. The music will belong to me, but I’d be happy to let you have copies of the recording after I’ve edited it.

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity? "

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

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By *r_Jake70Man  over a year ago

London

I’ve got a Conn 88H with red brass bell and F attachment, a Bach 4G mouthpiece and a selection of mutes. Alto trombone comes as extra

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Me?

"

Sorry, no I meant the OP.

I've not got nearly so much I use canon gear. I use Eos 5d mk iv (full frame) and eos 7d (aps-c) with a selection of 'L' lenses although my favourite tends to be trusty 24-70 f2.8 L.

This will turn off all the other non photographers now. As I said, best camera is one that's in your hand when it happens.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The photographer police are well and truly out on this post ain’t they....."

Guys go down to PC World buy one of their camera kits, and a few cheap lights off of Amazon or eBay and come on these sites wanting to take dirty wank pics claiming to be a photographer. They forget there are real world Photographers, models etc on these sites.

Anyone genuinely interested in photography would at least know the basics about, lighting, composition, perspective and would start with the very basic, still life etc etc.

Get dozens of guys claiming the same thing you are going to get hit hard. I have said this before on other threads if you are genuinely serious, then you'll do the basics.

OH runs training days and field trips, for photography.

Its not about the photography police its because soo many come on her saying the same thing, its like saying your are music producer or film director on these sites you are going to attract all the wrong attention. Most people have heard all the same line before

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

OH runs training days and field trips, for photography.

I"

Oops that wasn't an offer lol, break forum rules is was simply stating a fact and would be worth looking round in your area for similar if you are genuine and serious

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By *hesexpeopleCouple  over a year ago

s wales


"

OH runs training days and field trips, for photography.

I

Oops that wasn't an offer lol, break forum rules is was simply stating a fact and would be worth looking round in your area for similar if you are genuine and serious"

Or join a local camera club, most areas have one, and have models come in, talks off other photographers etc, great starting point for a hobby.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lots of great info/advice in this thread!

I used to do quite a bit of photography (amateur) and have done about half a dozen weddings (very stressful). Only do family gatherings/events now as I’ve lost my mojo.

Portraiture has never been my thing, but, I do sometimes daydream about giving it a go. I’d never offer to shoot just anyone (too much responsibility), but, I’d do it for a friend.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I very much doubt anyone would take you up on the offer OP.

There is no indication that you are any good at photography.

You might keep the photos and do lord knows what with them.

You might expect sex instead of payment.

It's just way too much of a risk."

This^^

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've done a few shoots with various ladies, some with me in them while shooting/filming, some with someone else behind the camera

If you're involved in the shoot as well as trying to direct it can be very difficult.

Staying behind the camera is best if you're actually interested in the photography side of it, forget the sex part and concentrate on building a good reputation, you will get no where on here by just saying you're a photographer. Just my 2 cents

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple  over a year ago

kent


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

"

Ooh now we’re into talking about cameras Here comes my inner nerd Currently shooting stills with a Nikon Z7 full frame mirrorless and a bunch of S series lenses. For motion I’m still using my trusty RED Dragon and Cineo Maverick LED’s (when not working with a dedicated lighting crew). Stills processing is mostly Capture One. Motion post and grading in DaVinci Resolve with Eizo and FSi panels

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By *o_eye_deerMan  over a year ago

The South Near That London


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

Ooh now we’re into talking about cameras Here comes my inner nerd Currently shooting stills with a Nikon Z7 full frame mirrorless and a bunch of S series lenses. For motion I’m still using my trusty RED Dragon and Cineo Maverick LED’s (when not working with a dedicated lighting crew). Stills processing is mostly Capture One. Motion post and grading in DaVinci Resolve with Eizo and FSi panels "

I can hear the snores and see the glazing of eyes from here as people wonder WTF are they talking about

I keep thinking I need a Z series (yes need not want, yeah right...) If for no other reason than having a smaller FF camera would be great, but most of my 'paid' work is product photography so it wouldn't make a massive difference to that, I did have a 'blad H3D a few years back, lovely thing but it ended up becoming used less and less so I sold it.

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By *AYENCouple  over a year ago

Lincolnshire

We have been using a product photographer for several years - every time we go there he asks Niki to model for him. It started out him doing her a 'favour' - after about three years he finally made her an offer she couldn't refuse and she did model for him. They did about a 6 hour photo session and were both absolutely knackered at the end of it - so the moral of the story OP is be professional, respect your model and be prepared to work hard and pay well.

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By *hesexpeopleCouple  over a year ago

s wales


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

Ooh now we’re into talking about cameras Here comes my inner nerd Currently shooting stills with a Nikon Z7 full frame mirrorless and a bunch of S series lenses. For motion I’m still using my trusty RED Dragon and Cineo Maverick LED’s (when not working with a dedicated lighting crew). Stills processing is mostly Capture One. Motion post and grading in DaVinci Resolve with Eizo and FSi panels

I can hear the snores and see the glazing of eyes from here as people wonder WTF are they talking about

I keep thinking I need a Z series (yes need not want, yeah right...) If for no other reason than having a smaller FF camera would be great, but most of my 'paid' work is product photography so it wouldn't make a massive difference to that, I did have a 'blad H3D a few years back, lovely thing but it ended up becoming used less and less so I sold it. "

I’m not allowed to get into Nikon chat, my hubby said it would give us away too much

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

Ooh now we’re into talking about cameras Here comes my inner nerd Currently shooting stills with a Nikon Z7 full frame mirrorless and a bunch of S series lenses. For motion I’m still using my trusty RED Dragon and Cineo Maverick LED’s (when not working with a dedicated lighting crew). Stills processing is mostly Capture One. Motion post and grading in DaVinci Resolve with Eizo and FSi panels

I can hear the snores and see the glazing of eyes from here as people wonder WTF are they talking about

I keep thinking I need a Z series (yes need not want, yeah right...) If for no other reason than having a smaller FF camera would be great, but most of my 'paid' work is product photography so it wouldn't make a massive difference to that, I did have a 'blad H3D a few years back, lovely thing but it ended up becoming used less and less so I sold it.

I’m not allowed to get into Nikon chat, my hubby said it would give us away too much "

Lol staying out of it all I know is he "oh" main cameras are Nikon but he uses others depending on what effect he is after including film lol. In studio has lots of different lights and wireless TTL remote not sure what that means, starting to sound technical now.

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple  over a year ago

kent


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

Ooh now we’re into talking about cameras Here comes my inner nerd Currently shooting stills with a Nikon Z7 full frame mirrorless and a bunch of S series lenses. For motion I’m still using my trusty RED Dragon and Cineo Maverick LED’s (when not working with a dedicated lighting crew). Stills processing is mostly Capture One. Motion post and grading in DaVinci Resolve with Eizo and FSi panels

I can hear the snores and see the glazing of eyes from here as people wonder WTF are they talking about

I keep thinking I need a Z series (yes need not want, yeah right...) If for no other reason than having a smaller FF camera would be great, but most of my 'paid' work is product photography so it wouldn't make a massive difference to that, I did have a 'blad H3D a few years back, lovely thing but it ended up becoming used less and less so I sold it. "

I’d definitely recommend a Z series. It’s so much smaller and lighter then the 800 and the image quality is terrific. The range of S lenses is slowly growing and the adapter for the standard mount works a treat.

Heh, I’m used to the eye-rolls when I get my geek on about cameras

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple  over a year ago

kent


"

Just out of curiosity OP what equipment do you use?

This crying out for a response...

I like to use my 300mm cannon when shooting the wife. Ho ho.

The above advice about models is good advice. Friend of mine used to regularly hire models for his studio. Works well.

What equipment DO you use out of curiosity?

Me?

I've got 3 Nikon full frame bodies D3, D810 & D4. + A few old F series Nikon film cameras

Lenses 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 f.28; 35,50 & 85 F1.4

4 x Lencarta Smartflash studio lights, strip boxes, softboxes, octaboxes, shoot through brollies, various relfectors plus a couple of old Broncolor heads

2 SB800 & 2 SB910 Speedlights and half a dozen Ynognuo cheapo flash guns & triggers

Couple of M4/3 cameras mainly olympus for walkabout cameras.

Ooh now we’re into talking about cameras Here comes my inner nerd Currently shooting stills with a Nikon Z7 full frame mirrorless and a bunch of S series lenses. For motion I’m still using my trusty RED Dragon and Cineo Maverick LED’s (when not working with a dedicated lighting crew). Stills processing is mostly Capture One. Motion post and grading in DaVinci Resolve with Eizo and FSi panels

I can hear the snores and see the glazing of eyes from here as people wonder WTF are they talking about

I keep thinking I need a Z series (yes need not want, yeah right...) If for no other reason than having a smaller FF camera would be great, but most of my 'paid' work is product photography so it wouldn't make a massive difference to that, I did have a 'blad H3D a few years back, lovely thing but it ended up becoming used less and less so I sold it.

I’m not allowed to get into Nikon chat, my hubby said it would give us away too much

Lol staying out of it all I know is he "oh" main cameras are Nikon but he uses others depending on what effect he is after including film lol. In studio has lots of different lights and wireless TTL remote not sure what that means, starting to sound technical now. "

I’d love a darkroom and to shoot film. I haven’t done that since I was at uni fooling about with a Bronica. Happy days in the darkroom... and I’ve had a thing for red light ever since

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By *inkyPixelMan  over a year ago

Cranford

@OP you don't need to learn by shooting nude models. You habe to build your eye and your style. I'm sorry but to me that just sounds like a cheap way to try and get into someone's pants and it smells of creepy from a mile off.

I shoot professionally and from my profile veris you'll see I've shot at clubs. It's because I know the liabilities. Yes I may own the copyright. I don't own the use without a model release form and thus can get sued.

I don't have issues to get models but that's because I'm published in magazines - and I only call in free shoot favours when I've got a moodboard and shot in mind.

Otherwise I learnt all about lighting from shoiting inanimate objects such as milk cartons and footballs in my house to learn and understand lighting.

Certainly didn't need a sec site to find someone.

As someone else suggested use purpleport if you want to start shooting nude/erotic photos. Otherwise if you truly have a passion for it do various disciplinrs because you need to learn about light and composition.

If you want any guidance just PM me and I'm happy to help. Good luck.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Do you provide sex during the shooting ? "
no he just shoots

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

E done a nude shoot as a birthday present for me. We tried to find someone on here to take the pics but realised very quickly that wasn’t going to happen. I searched for a local studio that offered boudoir shots went to meet the guy to check it out and then broached the subject of more risqué shots. Photographer was cool with it and stated he’s done It many times previously. He also agreed to use my memory card so we had all the images immediately after the shoot.

Much better way to do it and we were comfortable that our pics were in our control.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"E done a nude shoot as a birthday present for me. We tried to find someone on here to take the pics but realised very quickly that wasn’t going to happen. I searched for a local studio that offered boudoir shots went to meet the guy to check it out and then broached the subject of more risqué shots. Photographer was cool with it and stated he’s done It many times previously. He also agreed to use my memory card so we had all the images immediately after the shoot.

Much better way to do it and we were comfortable that our pics were in our control."

Why is there all this about use a memory card and give it back that immediately says bad, amateur, thrill seeker, dodgy.

Any kind compedent or pro photographer would go through a process of post procesing on any pictures. The fact they say they will use memory card theirs or yours and give it back say stay well away

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Only advise I can give is don't bother looking on here

Hire a proper model who can pose and understands modelling.

Most importantly do not even bring sex into conversation and what ever you do, don't ever touch a model. They will report you and you will find yourself in a whole world of shit.

Be 100 percent professional, it's their job. You wouldn't do anything inappropriate to a woman at work.

Nude art modelling has nothing to do with sex.

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By *hesexpeopleCouple  over a year ago

s wales


"E done a nude shoot as a birthday present for me. We tried to find someone on here to take the pics but realised very quickly that wasn’t going to happen. I searched for a local studio that offered boudoir shots went to meet the guy to check it out and then broached the subject of more risqué shots. Photographer was cool with it and stated he’s done It many times previously. He also agreed to use my memory card so we had all the images immediately after the shoot.

Much better way to do it and we were comfortable that our pics were in our control.

Why is there all this about use a memory card and give it back that immediately says bad, amateur, thrill seeker, dodgy.

Any kind compedent or pro photographer would go through a process of post procesing on any pictures. The fact they say they will use memory card theirs or yours and give it back say stay well away "

Agreed no pro hands over their raw images, it take hours, days even of processing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"E done a nude shoot as a birthday present for me. We tried to find someone on here to take the pics but realised very quickly that wasn’t going to happen. I searched for a local studio that offered boudoir shots went to meet the guy to check it out and then broached the subject of more risqué shots. Photographer was cool with it and stated he’s done It many times previously. He also agreed to use my memory card so we had all the images immediately after the shoot.

Much better way to do it and we were comfortable that our pics were in our control.

Why is there all this about use a memory card and give it back that immediately says bad, amateur, thrill seeker, dodgy.

Any kind compedent or pro photographer would go through a process of post procesing on any pictures. The fact they say they will use memory card theirs or yours and give it back say stay well away

Agreed no pro hands over their raw images, it take hours, days even of processing "

All this will have been discussed up front with the client. Workflows, any legal stuff, release forms, licensing, security and GDPR etc.

FAB should take these posts and threads and put in the FAQs etc. With a big arrow saying "Don't post read the FAQ". or "If you're in it for .... the door is that way" lol.

But I'm sure you'll always get them. Many of the comments may be useful to those seeking but also those in it for their own indulgence (may save them quite a lot of embarrassment).

On a positive, there are genuine good amateur and pro photographers on these sites. Word of mouth is always a good starting point, generally don't advertise lol, moreover talk to them you'll know soon enough if they are genuine and not looking for cheap thrills, door openers or wank pics.

There is always a risk, pro or amateur. Not all pro/amateur photographers are above reproach same as any other industries. Best advice is find them, get to know them, then make any informed decision.

Seeing their work is not always the right question, because they may covered by NDAs, License agreements, but simply peoples privacy, ethically and morally wrong to do so.

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By *inkyPixelMan  over a year ago

Cranford


"E done a nude shoot as a birthday present for me. We tried to find someone on here to take the pics but realised very quickly that wasn’t going to happen. I searched for a local studio that offered boudoir shots went to meet the guy to check it out and then broached the subject of more risqué shots. Photographer was cool with it and stated he’s done It many times previously. He also agreed to use my memory card so we had all the images immediately after the shoot.

Much better way to do it and we were comfortable that our pics were in our control.

Why is there all this about use a memory card and give it back that immediately says bad, amateur, thrill seeker, dodgy.

Any kind compedent or pro photographer would go through a process of post procesing on any pictures. The fact they say they will use memory card theirs or yours and give it back say stay well away

Agreed no pro hands over their raw images, it take hours, days even of processing "

This is the bit so many people don't understand

Cameras have two card slots. Or can shoot tethered both wired (hard drive) or wirelessly (wifi connection) and so images can be saved.

Besides as a professional - like you said - I'm not handing over raw files unless you pay my full pro rate. So that means you get JPG at medium resolution. Beats an iPhone but isn't anywhere near maximum quality.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"E done a nude shoot as a birthday present for me. We tried to find someone on here to take the pics but realised very quickly that wasn’t going to happen. I searched for a local studio that offered boudoir shots went to meet the guy to check it out and then broached the subject of more risqué shots. Photographer was cool with it and stated he’s done It many times previously. He also agreed to use my memory card so we had all the images immediately after the shoot.

Much better way to do it and we were comfortable that our pics were in our control.

Why is there all this about use a memory card and give it back that immediately says bad, amateur, thrill seeker, dodgy.

Any kind compedent or pro photographer would go through a process of post procesing on any pictures. The fact they say they will use memory card theirs or yours and give it back say stay well away

Agreed no pro hands over their raw images, it take hours, days even of processing

This is the bit so many people don't understand

Cameras have two card slots. Or can shoot tethered both wired (hard drive) or wirelessly (wifi connection) and so images can be saved.

Besides as a professional - like you said - I'm not handing over raw files unless you pay my full pro rate. So that means you get JPG at medium resolution. Beats an iPhone but isn't anywhere near maximum quality."

People don't understand it's a shame, there is a whole raft of stuff which takes place even before the actual photo shoot and after.

This is where they all make the same mistake assuming it is just a case of coming along with their digital camera, taking a few pics and leaving.

A photographer will want to present the subject in the best possible way, it's not just about fees its about the whole ethos, art and ethics of a true photographer, would never give anyone a half baked photo either paid or for free.

As I said previously anyone can take a picture these days but but they are not all photographers.

Cameras these days are sophisticated and smart, packed full of electronics - but they are still machines

There is an old expression "CICO" Crap In Crap Out.

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