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"I would post the real link, but got a 24hr forum ban last time... They are not going to read your email. They will be able to see who you emailed, who you text, who you called, but not the actual message (think how big the storage would be). The actual contents of email, text and listening in on phone calls is already available... Best be a goodish person and don't become a person of interest to the state and indulging in illegal activities, you should be fine "They can see who your chatting to but unless you use some of the key words that red flag up they arnt interested, If they did want to look at the actual content of any e-mail they still have to get a court order from a judge | |||
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"Hmmm. Call me a paranoid big government conspiracy theorist....... This looks like the thin end of a wedge to me. The last time this country was an internal security state was when we were in iminant danger of invasion by Nazis. We need to accept that we are not going to stop the evil plotters no matter how draconian we allow government to get. If we just allow this to go ahead under the guise of 'protecting us from terrorism' then those who want to strangle our our freedom of thought will have won. Put security back in the hands of the individual rather than the Nanny State! "
these new rules would bring us inline with countries like China.
Those in power will always want more under the guise of 'if you've nothing to hide'.
We are already the most monitored country with CCTV everywhere, it makes not a jot of difference to catching terrorists but does allow those in the media an easy source for titillation. And 'scandal' stories.
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As for the criminal element, if you look at the whole population all the time, then anyone who really wants to can get lost in the crowd. | |||
"As I read it, the intention is to privatise the snooping. The internet providers will be required to provide at their expense storage of all internet transactions and give the governement power to access it when it wants to... " The stumbling block is how much the government will pay for it to be stored. The last government (Labour) looked at it and estimated it would cost £2bn for 10 years.... more details here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17582974 | |||
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"The isps already keep this data for their own charging purposes, the suggestion I believe is to make sure they keep for 2/3 years and give government access. What gets me is they say the're doing this to 'protect our way of life' and what do they do..... take away our freedoms, one by one. Surely they are doing what the terrorists want for them!!!!
"Sorry I don't believe that ISP's need to keep the contents of my Emails for charging purposes, yesterday I sent photos of some of my work to various people, file size just over 10Mb sent to 50 people not bulk email individually sent via mailmerge. I am sure my ISP does not need to store 5Gb of information for years in order to charge me a fixed fee for my service, and onward charging will be x terrabytes transmitted to y network no need to store individual transactions. On your second point I would agree except I am a cynic and think the terrorists are providing the government with the excuse to do what they wanted anyway... but now it's expensive they want the ISP's to pick up the tab, which means we will of course end up paying the governemt to spy on us without them having to raise direct taxes which could be chalenged. | |||
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".... As said, you've only got to worry if your doing something illegal." If you think that then your not fully thinking it through, as far as I'm concerned, any part of any of my communication is private! We live in a free country, or so we're told. So I am free to talk to anybody I like without hindrance or people watching over my shoulder. So what gives these guys the right to see my communication trail without good reason. If you like the idea of your local council reading your mail, email and transcripts of your phone calls just to see if you really are eligible to send your kids to the local popular primary school (this has already happened illegally, in future it will be much easier) Then do nothing, or if you think that the thought police might be next then protest against the idea! If you think it's ok to access without restriction sixty-five million citizen's private communications in order to catch a couple of thousand people commiting the odd crime, then we will live in a police state. A lot of people paid an awful lot to keep this country free, please don't throw it away.
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".... As said, you've only got to worry if your doing something illegal. If you think that then your not fully thinking it through, as far as I'm concerned, any part of any of my communication is private! We live in a free country, or so we're told. So I am free to talk to anybody I like without hindrance or people watching over my shoulder. So what gives these guys the right to see my communication trail without good reason. If you like the idea of your local council reading your mail, email and transcripts of your phone calls just to see if you really are eligible to send your kids to the local popular primary school (this has already happened illegally, in future it will be much easier) Then do nothing, or if you think that the thought police might be next then protest against the idea! If you think it's ok to access without restriction sixty-five million citizen's private communications in order to catch a couple of thousand people commiting the odd crime, then we will live in a police state. A lot of people paid an awful lot to keep this country free, please don't throw it away.
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"Does it really matter, we will bitch and moan about it, and they will water it down to what they wanted in the first place. And we will all think, well that's a compromise I suppose. Were British, we all stand in line, talk about the weather and take it up the ass every day, one way or another. "Yes it does matter, at the moment they need to convince a judge, someone who generally defends their independence vigorously and has the power to do it. It's the judge who says yea or neh on whether they can look at your emails etc and to do that they have to show proof. What they want to do in future is skip the warrant step and take a look without having to convince the judge. If you don't tell them you object to this change it will happen. Then say your a business man taking over a company you'll find two days before you make your move the Target company share price suddenly doubles without reason. Or say you get your collar felt because your email to granny about the recipe for Alaska bombe pops up on a C.I.A. computer because you forgot the e ! Once you let it go because we're too lazy we won't like the result nor will we be able to change it back!
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"how do you all feel about the idea of the government looking at your emails and seeing who you interact with and what sites you visit oniline Have any of you joined up with the 38 degrees campaign ? Would it put you off swinging ?" Swinging isnt illegal (yet!) so theres no reson for people to be put off...your not going to get the five o clock knock knock just because you were at it with the Jone's at number 34.. | |||
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"Does it really matter, we will bitch and moan about it, and they will water it down to what they wanted in the first place. And we will all think, well that's a compromise I suppose. Were British, we all stand in line, talk about the weather and take it up the ass every day, one way or another. "yes and some of them might enjoy it    | |||
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"I cannot believe my sex life is of the remotest interest to the State. I hope the Security Services have much better things to do with their time!" But its not just the security services, its the police, the utility companies, the local authorities as well and then of course any of those employees who know someone who has a brown envelope with enough money to tempt them, which currently means newspaper reporters, or the ex of yours who wants to change the divorce settlement........attacker who wants to trash you in court...... need I go on......
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"Honestly they are not going to look at everyones emails.. So no.. everyone is taking this far to far.. lol and they have been doing it for years.. its just public and legal now. cali " You're absolutely right...government as been undertaken such activities possibly for many years - they're merely being both rather 'barefaced' due to recent terrorism activities and possibly to diminish the possibility of any such legal ramifications whether such activities had being undertaken whilst not written in statutory law. | |||
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".... As said, you've only got to worry if your doing something illegal. If you think that then your not fully thinking it through, as far as I'm concerned, any part of any of my communication is private! We live in a free country, or so we're told. So I am free to talk to anybody I like without hindrance or people watching over my shoulder. So what gives these guys the right to see my communication trail without good reason. If you like the idea of your local council reading your mail, email and transcripts of your phone calls just to see if you really are eligible to send your kids to the local popular primary school (this has already happened illegally, in future it will be much easier) Then do nothing, or if you think that the thought police might be next then protest against the idea! If you think it's ok to access without restriction sixty-five million citizen's private communications in order to catch a couple of thousand people commiting the odd crime, then we will live in a police state. A lot of people paid an awful lot to keep this country free, please don't throw it away.
"Well said that man. I have nothing to hide and for that reason I don't want people snooping on me. We are well heading towards a police state unless the majority wake up to what is happening in this country. Both Labour and the coalition have used the terrorism excuse to pass some pretty draconian laws. As history proves without fail every country that has passed such laws has gone on to use them against it's own people. The government should be afraid of the people/voters. The people should never be afraid of the government. | |||
"Say half the population of this country (UK) send one email each every day for a week. That's about 210 million emails. Is someone really going to read through them all? Are you really worried that they are going to be kept as someone stated? Methinks you worry too much" No human is going to read every email or listen to every phone call. However a lot of supercomputers do. They have been programmed to look out for certain keywords. You say the keywords or type the keywords your communication will be singled out. Years ago you was called a conspiracy theorist if you said Echelon exists. That was until the Australian government admitted it existed. Naturally the USA and UK leaders were furious. | |||
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"As has been said already, the government themselves can barely afford to fund the DVLA computers to monitor car records, there's no way at all they can afford a computer or server farm that can monitor every email in and out of every server. The ISP's will have the responsibility - they already check keywords on their way through anyway, maybe not intentionally but most servers run some form of Spam protection - such as SpamAssassin. All the bill would give the government is the right to specify a user or phrase and demand that the ISP's provide the 'records' Of course in order to comply with EU law, data protection stands in their way, and some form of terrorist act amendment would be required - thats all they're pushing for. At work I control the servers for all of our clients, I can if I choose to, flag any email account, server, host, or website and have the emails archived and sent to me at the end of every week. Would I want to? Well, no - my own email account is hard enough to keep track of. The facilities exist, the ISP's cannot afford to use them, nor can the government. So unless you really are doing something bad enough to give the police cause for concern... Actually they already have that right, but they need a warrant first... nothing changes. It seriously would only take a few minutes to create a loophole anyway - change server ports, use a proxy, 4 stage encryption, instant messaging, not worth it for them. They'd only catch the idiot criminals who left a massive trail behind them." I agree with most of the above, the authorities can get hold of the content already, but at least they have to convince a judge first! This is the bit they want to change, so they have un-hindered access. However, some in this thread have the incorrect perception that providing the space to store it all is going to be a problem. If I can access my emails, which are not stored on my computer, from 2004 then the storage is there already! So currently the only thing preserving my privacy is a judge, a judge they want to do away with. It doesn't matter whether I've done anything illegal or not, they should not have the right to trawl through my private communications without having first proved due cause. Guilty until proved innocent, no thanks!
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