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over a year ago
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?"
It's not a question of liking bareback. Who in their right mind, if it was totally safe, would choose to put a bag over it? I LOVE bareback, but I love my kids more and want to be around for them.
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I think at all times being safe is the key to us enjoying this lifestyle so we try to make things as safe as possible including using condoms.
Its one of those things though, nothing protects you 100% but anything you can use to lessen the risk and while there is a difference in without condom sex to with condom sex its really not big enough or noticeable enough to take the huge risks that go with unprotected sex with strangers.
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The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
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Oral sex carries an inherently lower risk of transmission of STI's.
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over a year ago
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"i think if we are going to be honest we all prefer bareback
Noone uses condoms because they like them
But sometimes you have to listern to your head "
in this case for guys would be the big head not the little un  |
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Oral sex carries an inherently lower risk of transmission of STI's.
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(as an aside I'm again, relieved. I'm interested in the differential between the level of infection with either oral or unprotected sex. )
I wouldn't want to be thinking about a person's possible bouquet of possible sti infections when I meet them, that would totally nip it in the bud and spoil it for me, and I'd be taking a bath in bleach with a big scrubbing brush. I'd rather think that the next person was as responsible as me, and to date that has been the case - thankfully.
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(as an aside I'm again, relieved. I'm interested in the differential between the level of infection with either oral or unprotected sex. )
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Things like HIV have vastly lower transmission rates through oral and a lot of studies out there have tried to nail down what the percentage is but its just "very low" from what I can gather.
I think its all well and good thinking people are responsible clean adults that all tell the truth and are respectful but I would always play as safe as possible and get checked as often as possible as the saying goes "everybody lies"
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I think its all well and good thinking people are responsible clean adults that all tell the truth and are respectful but I would always play as safe as possible and get checked as often as possible as the saying goes "everybody lies"
You're of course right. My attempt to stick up for those who enjoy such enterprises has backfired. I shall go and stand in the corner with my pointy hat on.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i think if we are going to be honest we all prefer bareback
Noone uses condoms because they like them
But sometimes you have to listern to your head
in this case for guys would be the big head not the little un "
Oh! Thanks!
I was going to ask which one!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Always wear a condom for penetration, oral at the discretion of the lady I am with.
If you happy with bareback it's your choice but I prefer to be safe
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over a year ago
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.  "
We will have bareback on occasion But also state that and don't hide behind a safe sex profile. To be fair the fact I never use it for oral would make me feel a bit odd used it.
I hate condoms but also accept them as something I must use at times.. But as we like creampie play with trusted people we go without.
I have mostly oral because I hate sex with condoms.
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits. "
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet...  |
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet... "
Totally agree |
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over a year ago
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to be honest with you i really cant tell the difference between if a guys got a condom on or not while having sex, i know some women say they can but i cant there for i cant see the point in not wearing one if it dont feel any better  |
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?"
I don't think sex is crap with condoms... Its less sensitive, but not crap. I'd prefer bareback but only after I've seen your full service history.. Condoms make me last longer anyway, so we can both get the most out of our 5 minutes |
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the only thing i dont like about condoms is all the putting them on and taking them off when your swapping between sex and oral thro out the session, im not one for putting a condom on and just banging away till they come, i like veriation thro out swapping to different things and i have to admit some guys do get fed up with keep taking them on and off but hey what can you do? risk catching something or have boring sex where you only do oral at the beginning and then jump on till you cum lol |
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"to be honest with you i really cant tell the difference between if a guys got a condom on or not while having sex, i know some women say they can but i cant there for i cant see the point in not wearing one if it dont feel any better "
See I can feel it and it doesn't feel good at all...so I limit my risks by mostly doing oral.. or only quick fucks with condoms as more than ten minutes and I just have to stop as it feels so bad. I have tried all.. and maybe part of it is psychological but whatever the reason I won't have long meets because I won't go bare often and can't stand lots of sex with condoms.
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"to be honest with you i really cant tell the difference between if a guys got a condom on or not while having sex, i know some women say they can but i cant there for i cant see the point in not wearing one if it dont feel any better
See I can feel it and it doesn't feel good at all...so I limit my risks by mostly doing oral.. or only quick fucks with condoms as more than ten minutes and I just have to stop as it feels so bad. I have tried all.. and maybe part of it is psychological but whatever the reason I won't have long meets because I won't go bare often and can't stand lots of sex with condoms.
Cali "
maybe its the type of condoms you use?
I cant use latex condoms as they dry me out and make me very sore so like you i used to shy away from long shagging sessions and mainly do oral, then i tried laten free condoms and they are much better, they dont dry me out and dont effect me at all really, infact if im going to be honest, and i have no idea why at all, i get wetter when being fucked by someone in a latex free condom then i do bare, which i have no explanation for i dont like all latex free condoms some have been rubbish but theres a couple of brands i use and really like and i cant feel they are on at all |
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over a year ago
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I have to use non latex ones.. using skyns at the moment.. and find them okay but I just feel them adn they dont feel natural.. SO would rather have a quick 5 min fuck and then get a facial than have long meets.
If I am having a longer meet.. then its with someone I know and will be bare. as I see no point in full sex without being filled.
If a man wears a condom.. I dont get wet at all.. and any work done previously drys up. I have tried loads of different ones, and its all the same.
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?
It's not a question of liking bareback. Who in their right mind, if it was totally safe, would choose to put a bag over it? I LOVE bareback, but I love my kids more and want to be around for them.
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My magic wand would eradicate all stds...until ollivanders gets in touch though its wear the condoms.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"silly i no but bare back sex is better ,i love to lick other guys cum from my wife ,and love unprotected oral with guys and always swallow ,"
i dont suck cock with a condom on
I know there are still risks but i dont like the taste of rubber lol |
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over a year ago
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet... Exactly ,Who will wanna be that iresponsible?err propably sumone who is carrying hiv and wanting to share it.  "
It is wrong to insinuate that all people who bareback have HIV, its a ridiculous assumption.
No I would not bareback with strangers on the swinging scene. I tale responsibility for my own sexual health and always ensure a condom is used for penetration. The risks are reported to be lower with oral sex but its difficult to be specific as when tested positive with an STI people have admitted to oral as well as penetrative sex and its impossible to pinpoint the exact mode of transmission.
I personally would worry about it so therefore noone is worth that. I'm not relaxed in group areas like the jacuzzi if guys sidle up behind you and try and caress boobs etc. If I can feel an erect cock near my bottom I can't relax. You have to be totally aware and not loose yourself in the moment as I need to be sure its only fingers touching me and not guys trying to slip it in.
Its scary really because a lot more people bareback than they admit to. Recently I saw a woman in the jacuzzi at Chams systematically going from guy to guy touching them and then impaling herself onto their cocks, not one refused or put a condom on.
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got a throb in my bits about the jacuzzi......we all love bareback and i am lucky that i get to with my man. Wouldnt it be great if we could just go around hopping from cock to cock.......unfortunatly we cant. Boo |
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"to be honest with you i really cant tell the difference between if a guys got a condom on or not while having sex, i know some women say they can but i cant there for i cant see the point in not wearing one if it dont feel any better "
agree with this, cant really tell the difference |
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"to be honest with you i really cant tell the difference between if a guys got a condom on or not while having sex, i know some women say they can but i cant there for i cant see the point in not wearing one if it dont feel any better
agree with this, cant really tell the difference "
Can't tell difference either....
No one gets near me without one though (except OH)...
Surprises me in this day an age that people still debate it 
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I don't think sex is crap with condoms... Its less sensitive, but not crap. I'd prefer bareback but only after I've seen your full service history.. Condoms make me last longer anyway, so we can both get the most out of our 5 minutes "
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet... "
Very true comes in very handy thanks  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet...
Why? IF you always play safe what does it matter?"
We chose not to play with people if we know they do bareback with others. the reason is that even though we are doing all we can to protect ourselves, condoms are not 100 percent effective. if there worst happend and a condom broke, we would rather it was not with someone who took greater risks with their own sexual health. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You have to be bonkers to go bareback with a virtual stranger- yes once or twice i have got excited on a 'proper' date but generally no- look after your health."
but what do you deem a proper date... the guys I will go bare with I have maybe met dozens of times.. have become good friends.. So little difference really.
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over a year ago
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Im not going to quote anyone here as i dont want anyone to think its directed at them but ive seen a few posts saying they will block those who play bare and everyone on their verification list
to be honest i wouldnt not meet someone just because they admit to going bare back or play with those who do, if you feel your safe simply because you meet someone who says they always play safe and have regular checks then quite bluntly you need a re think, you will have played with dozens of folks who go bare back only difference is lots dont admit it as they dont want to put you off and all such comments will do is make more people lie |
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"Im not going to quote anyone here as i dont want anyone to think its directed at them but ive seen a few posts saying they will block those who play bare and everyone on their verification list
to be honest i wouldnt not meet someone just because they admit to going bare back or play with those who do, if you feel your safe simply because you meet someone who says they always play safe and have regular checks then quite bluntly you need a re think, you will have played with dozens of folks who go bare back only difference is lots dont admit it as they dont want to put you off and all such comments will do is make more people lie "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You have to be bonkers to go bareback with a virtual stranger- yes once or twice i have got excited on a 'proper' date but generally no- look after your health.
but what do you deem a proper date... the guys I will go bare with I have maybe met dozens of times.. have become good friends.. So little difference really.
Cali "
because lots of people see dating safer, i think a lot think that none swinging women dont have as many partners so are safer
In my opinion women who swing are less likely to have a STI as most will have regular checks and there are some 'none swinging' women out there who get pissed up most weekends and will pull and have un protected sex
Yet a lot will see the none swinging women as a safer bet to have unprotected sex with
All sex is risky, if you dont use a condom your taking a risk, even with your partner as he may have shagged his secretary last night
Thing is we are all adults and we know the risks and its upto us what risks we are willing to take |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Im not going to quote anyone here as i dont want anyone to think its directed at them but ive seen a few posts saying they will block those who play bare and everyone on their verification list
to be honest i wouldnt not meet someone just because they admit to going bare back or play with those who do, if you feel your safe simply because you meet someone who says they always play safe and have regular checks then quite bluntly you need a re think, you will have played with dozens of folks who go bare back only difference is lots dont admit it as they dont want to put you off and all such comments will do is make more people lie "
Not offended at all...we know we have a risky hobby, we are fully aware that people lie and we are very much aware that condoms only reduce risk and don't cut it out altogether, but we play the odds in this game, it kind of cuts out the very obvious ones by walking on by when people blatantly boast about the risks they take that we wouldn't...
Someone on here once said in yet another bareback thread-always treat people as though they never use condoms and that's pretty much our attitude...but we like to reduce our risks as much as we can
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"Im not going to quote anyone here as i dont want anyone to think its directed at them but ive seen a few posts saying they will block those who play bare and everyone on their verification list
to be honest i wouldnt not meet someone just because they admit to going bare back or play with those who do, if you feel your safe simply because you meet someone who says they always play safe and have regular checks then quite bluntly you need a re think, you will have played with dozens of folks who go bare back only difference is lots dont admit it as they dont want to put you off and all such comments will do is make more people lie
Not offended at all...we know we have a risky hobby, we are fully aware that people lie and we are very much aware that condoms only reduce risk and don't cut it out altogether, but we play the odds in this game, it kind of cuts out the very obvious ones by walking on by when people blatantly boast about the risks they take that we wouldn't...
Someone on here once said in yet another bareback thread-always treat people as though they never use condoms and that's pretty much our attitude...but we like to reduce our risks as much as we can
J xx"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?"
To me (imho) this statement seems just like a wind up or an attention grabber to ruffle a few feathers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?
To me (imho) this statement seems just like a wind up or an attention grabber to ruffle a few feathers."
Thay know the risks and happy to take them ... thats how i see is it . x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?
To me (imho) this statement seems just like a wind up or an attention grabber to ruffle a few feathers."
I agree. I'm quite impressed that no-one has got too riled up over it thus not giving the OP the desired effect. xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?
To me (imho) this statement seems just like a wind up or an attention grabber to ruffle a few feathers.Thay know the risks and happy to take them ... thats how i see is it . x"
thats pretty much how i see it as well
Im an adult and i choose myself how to do things, others have the same rights to choose their own way |
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"i always play bareback sex is crap with condoms , so who likes bareback ?
It's not a question of liking bareback. Who in their right mind, if it was totally safe, would choose to put a bag over it? I LOVE bareback, but I love my kids more and want to be around for them.
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+1, bang on! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet...
Very true comes in very handy thanks "
People have to accept swinging is high risk to your sexual health. You can only protect yourself as best as you can.
In fact, some people don't display verifications from people they've gone bareback with. Think about it...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet...
Very true comes in very handy thanks
People have to accept swinging is high risk to your sexual health. You can only protect yourself as best as you can.
In fact, some people don't display verifications from people they've gone bareback with. Think about it... "
how do you know from verifications that someone has gone bareback? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Actually I have had someone say that they wouldnt want a verification from me... because people may think that he had gone bare..
Luckily he said that to me BEFORE a meet.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always good to see someone hiding behind a safe sex profile publically proclaiming their unsafe sexual habits.
These threads are always handy so we can rifle their veris too and know who not to meet...
Very true comes in very handy thanks
People have to accept swinging is high risk to your sexual health. You can only protect yourself as best as you can.
In fact, some people don't display verifications from people they've gone bareback with. Think about it...
how do you know from verifications that someone has gone bareback?"
You don't! That's my point. You won't really and truly know. Everyone here says they do and they don't but that's just their word which mean f**k all.
Protect yourselves as best as you can and don't worry yourself about what other people do. I think people are that worried, then they should reconsider whether this lifestyle is for them. |
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how do you know from verifications that someone has gone bareback?"
they may have on their profile they do bare back so if your verified by them people will assum you have been bare with them and block you, so by not showing verifications of people who admit to doing bare back your not going to put other off you
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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ah course. Duh Debbie x
i tend to perv at pictures.....looking for condoms.
Makes me laugh though when you meet someone then just assume cos you go without with your man that he can, even though they have "safe sex " on their profile
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No to Bareback. Only for a GF if been to the clinic with and will keep on going....
I wonder what the HIV percentage is on FAB. As there seems to be a few who love to bareback route of fun.
Thats the only percentages all you bare backers should be worried about..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
Wolf
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By (user no longer on site)
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Personally, yes I would much rather not have to worry about condoms as they can kill the mood whilst your faffing putting them on and although I can't feel a difference during, there is that sense of something missing when the guy you're playing with has cum....however, my health and the health of the people I play with is more important than the awkwardness so I always have condoms by the bed ready for action! |
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"No to Bareback. Only for a GF if been to the clinic with and will keep on going....
I wonder what the HIV percentage is on FAB. As there seems to be a few who love to bareback route of fun.
Thats the only percentages all you bare backers should be worried about..
PS: Happy Playing"
Well I know I'm okay.. but my worry world be percentage of people that seem to think that playing safe means no need to test..
Oh and I'm the same as other people have said... Everyone I've barebacked with has stated safe sex only... And didn't want and wouldn't leave me a verification.
I count everyone as doing bare.. that way I decide for myself. However we enjoy messy play to much to say never. Our choices and we know the risks and we never hide it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anyone who has HIV and knowingly passes on the virus can now get imprisoned.
It's not only the carrier that has a prison sentence as the victims who contracted the infection will have it for the rest of their life.
To each their own, live and let live.
We all take risks in the swinging/dogging and other sexual past times, what must be taken into consideration is the fact that most of us have families and children, which raises the questions, how do you explain to a child what you have caught and how?
Who will look after your children when you die from the effects of the infection?
Who will keep them safe and give advice and stop them from the same thing happening to them?
We all know the short comings and pitfalls and as individuals we should be responsible for our actions but unfortunately this isn't always the case.
We would go bareback all the time if there weren't any such STD'S/STI'S but until they are all eradicated we shall do what we can to reduce the risks.
Have fun, play safe, if in doubt go without is our motto.
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over a year ago
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
Wolf
No oral is. Lot les risk than bareback, well that's according to out GUM clinic. It's not a chance we are willing to take. Condoms at all times and a check up also just to make sure x
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Look bare back sex is the best. No sex is safe re-catching something. Condoms help reduce the spread of infection. Getting tested regularly also helps stop the risk and rate of infection. As with financial risk exposure, what constitutes safe sex is a personal decision. If you want to be a swinger then you have to get tested, you have to be open and be able to talk about this with people who are for the most part total strangers. If you prefer to be closed and unapproachable when it comes to safe sex and Std's. Then my advice is to slap on a condom every single time, and stop swinging. To have fantastic sex and minimise your exposure to risk, be open talk about it, get tested behave responsibly and stick to your guns re what is acceptable risk to you. Generalising and putting people into boxes is just ignorance and stupidity. Everyone is going to have a different risk profile. People who come from Africa and travel to Africa have the Highest risk profile re Aids, 17 to 21 year olds the highest risk re chlamydia, the list goes on and on. Couples swinging with couples actually have a relatively low risk profile. Single men are obviously not Low on the risk list. Your risk profile is unique, condoms aren't the panacea of good sexual health. If you are not sure, have not developed any trust are not prepared to be open, use a condom or best yet not have contact sex. |
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"people seem to be overlooking the fact that an STi would be one of the better things t ocome from having unprotected sex....."
That is my only worry if I caught something. Master and I were talking about this earlier and said if all stis were curable, that people would go bare more.
For us It's a calculated risk... We like having another man fill me... So on occasion we do this.
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"people seem to be overlooking the fact that an STi would be one of the better things t ocome from having unprotected sex.....
That is my only worry if I caught something. Master and I were talking about this earlier and said if all stis were curable, that people would go bare more.
For us It's a calculated risk... We like having another man fill me... So on occasion we do this.
Cali "
i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives.... |
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"people seem to be overlooking the fact that an STi would be one of the better things t ocome from having unprotected sex.....
That is my only worry if I caught something. Master and I were talking about this earlier and said if all stis were curable, that people would go bare more.
For us It's a calculated risk... We like having another man fill me... So on occasion we do this.
Cali
i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives...."
Well that's why I would imagine people use other types of contraception... Although I'd find a sti much worse.. but that's because we even though I'm on the implant have discussed the what ifs... But I think if someone solely relies on condoms for protection and swings that they must have thought of the risk anyway.
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i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives....
I hope you are not referring to pregnancy as a STI....
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well there is no other way to get pregnant is there?
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i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives....
I hope you are not referring to pregnancy as a STI....
well there is no other way to get pregnant is there?
in the same way as love is temporary insanity, then yes, it is an sti"
Pregnancy is not an infection!!!! |
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i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives....
I hope you are not referring to pregnancy as a STI....
well there is no other way to get pregnant is there?
in the same way as love is temporary insanity, then yes, it is an sti"
Pregnancy is totally different. I'll agree that if your playing bare you may increase your risks.. but not much if you have a good form of contraception.
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i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives....
I hope you are not referring to pregnancy as a STI....
well there is no other way to get pregnant is there?
in the same way as love is temporary insanity, then yes, it is an sti
Pregnancy is not an infection!!!!"
ok, firstly, lighten up,if you didnt get that my post was made with tongue firmly in cheek, not my fault.
secondly, pregnancy is as a result of unprotected sex, no more, no less, so, imo, crabs and so on pale into significance of creating another life from a mistake/pervy passtime. |
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i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives....
I hope you are not referring to pregnancy as a STI....
well there is no other way to get pregnant is there?
in the same way as love is temporary insanity, then yes, it is an sti
Pregnancy is not an infection!!!!
ok, firstly, lighten up,if you didnt get that my post was made with tongue firmly in cheek, not my fault.
secondly, pregnancy is as a result of unprotected sex, no more, no less, so, imo, crabs and so on pale into significance of creating another life from a mistake/pervy passtime."
to be honest the risk of getting pregnant is less than it is to catch a sti.. as really unless a couple or lady was trying to get pregnant.. I cant see why someone would go bareback and not use contraception.
Even adding the fact that sperm competes when there is more than one guys.. it is still not much risk of falling pregnant. ( As I well know)
However if a woman/couple were using condoms for contraception and took the choice to go bare then I would say that they are taking more than a little risk.
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Oral sex carries an inherently lower risk of transmission of STI's.
(as an aside I'm again, relieved. I'm interested in the differential between the level of infection with either oral or unprotected sex. )
I wouldn't want to be thinking about a person's possible bouquet of possible sti infections when I meet them, that would totally nip it in the bud and spoil it for me, and I'd be taking a bath in bleach with a big scrubbing brush. I'd rather think that the next person was as responsible as me, and to date that has been the case - thankfully.
Wolf
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The above statement is the most naive, head in sand attitude i have seen on these forums
Imagine if we all thought like that
I haven't had the time to read the full thread so apologise if that as already been said.
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"i actually meant the STI that lasts for 9 months internally, and externally the rest of your lives...."
I totally agree with you! OK, maybe not normally referred to as an STI, but the result can be worse than treatable STI's.
To end up with a child from a swing meet is not only problematic for the couple who have to either sort out termination or have the child and bring it up. It can also have great consequences for the guy responsible for the pregnancy. He is responsible for that child as any absent father..
I have also heard anecdotes from reliable people who have come across women who actually want to get pregnant with no strings. This was part of a discussion at a very popular club. The women believe that they can get their wish of a child, but not have to suffer the commitment to anyone! But they would still expect some kind of payments for the childs upkeep!
To my way of thinking, yet one more reason never to go bareback! Yes we all face risks when we decide to start swinging, but in my opinion, bareback is at best misguided and at worst, irresponsible! |
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To my way of thinking, yet one more reason never to go bareback! Yes we all face risks when we decide to start swinging, but in my opinion, bareback is at best misguided and at worst, irresponsible! "
But some of us aren't misguided.. we know the risks... And for our pleasure it includes on occasion bareback. We have discussed it throughly.... And even the what ifs... Which does include what if I fell pregnant.. now its highly unlikely but because of it being an added risk we talked about it...
If people want to bareback then its there business not yours.. just take the precautions that are right for you... And don't worry about everyone else.
But don't believe all those saying safe sex only... As everyone I've ever barebacked or been asked to has that on their profile and that's couples as well as single guys.
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Oral sex carries an inherently lower risk of transmission of STI's.
(as an aside I'm again, relieved. I'm interested in the differential between the level of infection with either oral or unprotected sex. )
I wouldn't want to be thinking about a person's possible bouquet of possible sti infections when I meet them, that would totally nip it in the bud and spoil it for me, and I'd be taking a bath in bleach with a big scrubbing brush. I'd rather think that the next person was as responsible as me, and to date that has been the case - thankfully.
Wolf
The above statement is the most naive, head in sand attitude i have seen on these forums
Imagine if we all thought like that
I haven't had the time to read the full thread so apologise if that as already been said.
Kat x x "
Frankly m'dear I don't give a damn. Wasn't feeling well that night, still getting over the death of a loved one and trying to cheer myself up a little on the forum. Those were my words, a poor choice of words admittedly, but y'know on a forum like this we all have the chance to learn from our mistakes and learn from the input given from others. This I have done - thank you kindly
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"No to Bareback. Only for a GF if been to the clinic with and will keep on going....
I wonder what the HIV percentage is on FAB. As there seems to be a few who love to bareback route of fun.
Thats the only percentages all you bare backers should be worried about..
PS: Happy Playing"
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"No to Bareback. Only for a GF if been to the clinic with and will keep on going....
I wonder what the HIV percentage is on FAB. As there seems to be a few who love to bareback route of fun.
Thats the only percentages all you bare backers should be worried about..
PS: Happy Playing"
According to an american study 10 in every 1000 has hiv therefore approx 30 on fabs has hiv combine that with the theory of 6 degrees of separation where your only max of 6 people away from every one else.apply that to your swinging lifestyle and do the maths frightening or what !!!!!!!!!!
and you want to take the risk of bareback
as far as were concerned not on your life and that's what your gambling with
no way in hell
safe swinging
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"No to Bareback. Only for a GF if been to the clinic with and will keep on going....
I wonder what the HIV percentage is on FAB. As there seems to be a few who love to bareback route of fun.
Thats the only percentages all you bare backers should be worried about..
PS: Happy Playing
According to an american study 10 in every 1000 has hiv therefore approx 30 on fabs has hiv combine that with the theory of 6 degrees of separation where your only max of 6 people away from every one else.apply that to your swinging lifestyle and do the maths frightening or what !!!!!!!!!!
and you want to take the risk of bareback
as far as were concerned not on your life and that's what your gambling with
no way in hell
safe swinging
kev
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I always play safe; could never understand why people dont?!
However, that statitic is plain wrong - perhaps in Africa or South America; but not in the UK. Here apparently 50-60,000 people have HIV out of 60,000,000 people - I bet there are one or two HIV positive people on this site but I doubt there are more than that. |
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If 10 in 1000 people in the UK had HIV that would mean over 6 million people carried it, according to Dr Hilary Jones web site the number at the end of 2010 was 86,500 |
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over a year ago
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"If 10 in 1000 people in the UK had HIV that would mean over 6 million people carried it, according to Dr Hilary Jones web site the number at the end of 2010 was 86,500"
I dont think arguing about statistics is fruitful at all, what is...is making sure you are a responsible adult and respect yourself and others by taking responsibility for your own sexual health |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"If 10 in 1000 people in the UK had HIV that would mean over 6 million people carried it, according to Dr Hilary Jones web site the number at the end of 2010 was 86,500I dont think arguing about statistics is fruitful at all, what is...is making sure you are a responsible adult and respect yourself and others by taking responsibility for your own sexual health "
and in the end this is the whole point...
I like crossing the road... but there is a world of difference between crossing one at a zebra crossing, and crossing a 6 lane motorway....
nothing is 100% say, but what we do is judge the risk and manage them the best that we can....
condoms are never 100% safe, but a better way of managing the risks associated |
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Before I read this thread I just kind of assumed that everyone would use condoms. It's just a no-brainer to me. But I guess I'll add "safe sex only" to my profile and add it to the questions I ask potential meets. Sigh. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"i think the use of condoms is only good manners and a sign of respect for your partner if they say its ok without then go ahead but always offer first "
Oh jesus Christ almighty....are you for real? Really? eh? |
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"i think the use of condoms is only good manners and a sign of respect for your partner if they say its ok without then go ahead but always offer first Oh jesus Christ almighty....are you for real? Really? eh? "
i'm....... saying.......nothing!!!! |
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over a year ago
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"So, how many of you would clean a loaded gun in a room full of people?
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Not that I'm an expert (twelve and twenty bores are the limits of my practical experience, although I've been around a lot of guns) but unloading is the first part of cleaning isn't it? |
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over a year ago
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
Wolf
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I think you;re barking up the wrong tree. Oral transmission is almost unknown without another complicating factor, like the presence of open wounds or blood - either bleeding gums or mouth wounds, or menstrual blood if transmitted by giving a woman oral. Oral sex is much safer than most penetrative sex. |
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"You have to be bonkers to go bareback with a virtual stranger- yes once or twice i have got excited on a 'proper' date but generally no- look after your health.
but what do you deem a proper date... the guys I will go bare with I have maybe met dozens of times.. have become good friends.. So little difference really.
Cali "
whats the difference in knowing people and meeting them a dozen times and a stranger,how do u know what they get up to between ur meets or what they done before they met u |
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
Wolf
I think you;re barking up the wrong tree. Oral transmission is almost unknown without another complicating factor, like the presence of open wounds or blood - either bleeding gums or mouth wounds, or menstrual blood if transmitted by giving a woman oral. Oral sex is much safer than most penetrative sex."
Actually that's wrong. Women have a 50% chance of catching something orally from an infected person apparently. Men only have a 20% chance of catching something orally from a guy because of where the infection sits inside the female body. Cuts etc. increase the chances. Just try and only play with clean people! That's the only way round it. |
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"my fella pointed out to me the other day that if we had somehow eradicated all sti's and didnt need to use condoms, there would end up being a condom fetish xx
Good point..."
God I could seriously live with that! Can you imagine how luscious it would be to not have to worry about sti's. |
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
Wolf
But it still carries the risk HIV can be transmitted in a mans Precum
Oral sex carries an inherently lower risk of transmission of STI's.
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"The safest sex is no sex
Once you start doing oral with someone, the odds change dramatically. By the time you've put the bits together 'bareback' it's only a small percentage risk higher than that for oral surely.
Wolf
I think you;re barking up the wrong tree. Oral transmission is almost unknown without another complicating factor, like the presence of open wounds or blood - either bleeding gums or mouth wounds, or menstrual blood if transmitted by giving a woman oral. Oral sex is much safer than most penetrative sex.
Actually that's wrong. Women have a 50% chance of catching something orally from an infected person apparently. Men only have a 20% chance of catching something orally from a guy because of where the infection sits inside the female body. Cuts etc. increase the chances. Just try and only play with clean people! That's the only way round it."
sorry but why does the gender of the person giving oral affect their chance of infection..which is what you have written i think you have either mis red or misunderstood the stats...
Any GUM clinic will tell u the chances of catching an sti from oral sex are exceptionally low...no where near the 50% you claim... |
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"So, how many of you would clean a loaded gun in a room full of people?
Not that I'm an expert (twelve and twenty bores are the limits of my practical experience, although I've been around a lot of guns) but unloading is the first part of cleaning isn't it?"
My point exactly, safety first!
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If you look on any HIV advice page it states it's not the Sex that Transmites the hiv virus but bodily fluids ie blood, semen, Including Precum
Vaginal secretions And breast milk |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"No to Bareback. Only for a GF if been to the clinic with and will keep on going....
I wonder what the HIV percentage is on FAB. As there seems to be a few who love to bareback route of fun.
Thats the only percentages all you bare backers should be worried about..
PS: Happy Playing
According to an american study 10 in every 1000 has hiv therefore approx 30 on fabs has hiv combine that with the theory of 6 degrees of separation where your only max of 6 people away from every one else.apply that to your swinging lifestyle and do the maths frightening or what !!!!!!!!!!
and you want to take the risk of bareback
as far as were concerned not on your life and that's what your gambling with
no way in hell
safe swinging
kev
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That's a cracking example of the danger and power of statistics.
If your American stat is right (and it is, as I remember, only an estimate) you're safer shagging a swinger than someone from Lambeth. According to the HPA the prevalence of HIV in Lambeth is 14 per 1000. Southwark is pretty ropey too (about 11 per 1000). For the county where I live the number is something like 0.32 per 1000.
Interesting things, stats, aren't they?
Take a look at the HPI list of behaviours that make people recommended for an HIV test. Geography is the starting point - they support universal testing in certain areas - from memory it's most of London, Luton, Sough, Southend, Manchester, Brighton and Blackpool.
After that it includes
* partners of people who are HIV positive.
* men who have sex with men.
* partners of men who have sex with men.
* injecting drug users
* People from countries with a high rate of HIV.
If you're outside that list your risk is very low.
the AIDS campaign of the 80s portrayed AIDS as a relentless killer, and as an iceberg, where the number of undisclosed cases was much higher than the number of disclosed cases. Both metaphors are not that useful any more - early diagnosis and anti retrovirals is producing a substantial cohort now of people with long survival times with infection. Diagnosis and detection is getting much better because of projects like SOPHID and nrear universal testing in high risk areas. What's also clear is that transmission is much less easy than people think as a result of the 80s campaigns; there are usually complicating factors like previous STI infection.
I'm not arguing for and against condom use - that's a choice - but the state of knowledge is such now that there are more risk avoidance and mitigation strategies than just condom use. Within ten years the rise of possible defences like tenofovir gel could make the current 'bareback or not' debates entirely historical.
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HIV can be transmitted through tainted blood transfusion. It can also be transmitted through oral sex. It is not, however, possible to transmit HIV through simple exchanges. You cannot get the infection by being around someone who has it. It is not transmitted through handshakes or simple touching. Many myths about how HIV is transmitted exist. These stories are often utterly dehumanizing for some. People often make the mistake that HIV is a gay disease or some kind of punishment for bad or immoral behavior. This disease affects many different people from all walks of life. Assumptions and misinformation about HIV put people at risk, too. For example, if someone is unaware of how HIV is transmitted, it might cause them to unwittingly transmit the disease further. Men and women often do not seek the care they may need for fear of humiliation and reprisal from family, friends and even the medical community, too. |
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"You have to be bonkers to go bareback with a virtual stranger- yes once or twice i have got excited on a 'proper' date but generally no- look after your health.
but what do you deem a proper date... the guys I will go bare with I have maybe met dozens of times.. have become good friends.. So little difference really.
Cali
whats the difference in knowing people and meeting them a dozen times and a stranger,how do u know what they get up to between ur meets or what they done before they met u"
Could say the same about any partner... even out side swinging world.. I test myself regular.. and so far so good.. Its a risk Master and I are prepared to take from time to time.
Out of the hundreds of people I have had sexual contact with.. less than 5 I have barebacked with ( since swinging)
Would say it was into double figures before swinging. I was young and stupid then and had this whole attitude of it cant happen to me.
If I catch something then its on me.. I take precautions to make sure I wouldnt infect someone else.. Like breaks from playing with people till I get my all clear etc..
I am not the risk.. its the people that say they play safe and dont that are the biggest risks. Or those that think that because they use condoms they dont need to be tested.
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sorry but why does the gender of the person giving oral affect their chance of infection..which is what you have written i think you have either mis red or misunderstood the stats...
Any GUM clinic will tell u the chances of catching an sti from oral sex are exceptionally low...no where near the 50% you claim..."
It's to do with where the infection is sited in the body. I think that stuff came from an sti website. Actually my GUM clinic was really over the top about catching oral sti's. scared the crap out of me. |
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The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic. |
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as a nurse who has working in a gu clinic and have seen the consequences,yo uwould have to be completely mad to even consider bareback with any1 other than your lifepartner |
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"as a nurse who has working in a gu clinic and have seen the consequences,yo uwould have to be completely mad to even consider bareback with any1 other than your lifepartner "
I have seen the consequences.. a friend of mine has lost a mother to hiv.. ( contracted it back in the early 90s..) I have seen the pain someone has gone through when they couldnt have a child because of a std that her husband kindly gave her..( she had only ever slept with him)
I know the risks.. and to me they are worth it.. why do people think that people that like this havent looked at it properly.
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The worry is those who play bareback and of course don't indicate they do. It's difficult to know who is infected.Smart, clean and nice people have HIV and AIDs. We met a single male who halfway into the meeting was pushing to go bareback.On his profile he spouted safe sex.
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Actually we should start a new thread..."I love condoms because......."
Personnally, I don't find it awkward to get one out, it is just part of the game, and for the 4 seconds it takes to put on, that's not a big deal or distraction, rather a sometimes funny ice breaker....plus as most women on here, I don't feel much difference between a cock with or without a condom, but hey, and if it makes a man last longer as some men have mentioned it before, then I am 100% behind that!! and men would be stupid not to take that to their advantage!! lol
Yes to condoms, they make sex so much more fun, drama free! just like I like life to be! |
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"Actually we should start a new thread..."I love condoms because......."
Personnally, I don't find it awkward to get one out, it is just part of the game, and for the 4 seconds it takes to put on, that's not a big deal or distraction, rather a sometimes funny ice breaker....plus as most women on here, I don't feel much difference between a cock with or without a condom, but hey, and if it makes a man last longer as some men have mentioned it before, then I am 100% behind that!! and men would be stupid not to take that to their advantage!! lol
Yes to condoms, they make sex so much more fun, drama free! just like I like life to be! "
afraid for me its spoils the rhythm and I can tell the difference.. it feels totally different to me... I do think that in this lifestyle that they should be used as much as you personally wish too...
I just wish those that didnt want to.. could be left to get on with it... and if that were the case.. More would be upfront and honest about it.. Because the way people respond to bareback on here makes lots of people hide it.. And as we know.. anything that gets hidden can be made worse..
I also find most men lose hardness... and then take forever to cum and that is not a good thing for me.. So I play oral only for much of the time.. as that is my way of lessoning the risk.. but still having a good time.
I will always play with unless I have asked outright for a bareback meet.. and actually those are the ones I get the most offers for...
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over a year ago
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic. "
Since I have buried people I knew who had HIV / AIDS, and have had friends and colleagues who are living with HIV / AIDs I'm sorry to say you're talking rubbish. My knowledge is from talking to people who have had the experience from talking to people who work in public health and epidemiology, and from doing some research.
You'll notice I've tried not to be judgemental either, even when I think some people on here have been mistaken. It's too important a debate for that, but it's also a debate where people need to be better informed and to be willing to set aside the comforting myths of the past. |
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic.
Since I have buried people I knew who had HIV / AIDS, and have had friends and colleagues who are living with HIV / AIDs I'm sorry to say you're talking rubbish. My knowledge is from talking to people who have had the experience from talking to people who work in public health and epidemiology, and from doing some research.
You'll notice I've tried not to be judgemental either, even when I think some people on here have been mistaken. It's too important a debate for that, but it's also a debate where people need to be better informed and to be willing to set aside the comforting myths of the past."
So how is talking to someone with the infliction not enlightening and is rubbish?
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic. "
I agree with you on this, we all have our own opinions and we certainly always play safe, it's up to individuals how they conduct their lives, however, if people do play bareback they need to be honest about it to others. Z |
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic. "
I agree with you on this, we all have our own opinions and we certainly always play safe, it's up to individuals how they conduct their lives, however, if people do play bareback they need to be honest about it to others. Z |
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One of the most inspirting and saddening things I went to was a young girl.. who had contracted hiv from her mother while her mother was pregnant.
Sad story as the mother didnt know she was hiv positive ( before they tested mothers for it)
This girl was quite young (late teens) .. and she didnt let it hold her back.. she explained how it meant she had to be careful with her future intimate relationships.. but that it would not stop her living life..
It was actually part of hiv awareness week or something and put on for my sons school... but it was painful to watch others responses to her... You could see people that didnt know her keeping their distance.. like they could catch it from just being to close.
It never hurts to have more information on these subjects.. and you can never know to much.. as this is what helps you to make an informed choice one what is right for you..
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic.
Since I have buried people I knew who had HIV / AIDS, and have had friends and colleagues who are living with HIV / AIDs I'm sorry to say you're talking rubbish. My knowledge is from talking to people who have had the experience from talking to people who work in public health and epidemiology, and from doing some research.
You'll notice I've tried not to be judgemental either, even when I think some people on here have been mistaken. It's too important a debate for that, but it's also a debate where people need to be better informed and to be willing to set aside the comforting myths of the past.
So how is talking to someone with the infliction not enlightening and is rubbish?
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I was referring to your last paragraph.
I have not been speculating. |
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic.
Since I have buried people I knew who had HIV / AIDS, and have had friends and colleagues who are living with HIV / AIDs I'm sorry to say you're talking rubbish. My knowledge is from talking to people who have had the experience from talking to people who work in public health and epidemiology, and from doing some research.
You'll notice I've tried not to be judgemental either, even when I think some people on here have been mistaken. It's too important a debate for that, but it's also a debate where people need to be better informed and to be willing to set aside the comforting myths of the past.
So how is talking to someone with the infliction not enlightening and is rubbish?
I was referring to your last paragraph.
I have not been speculating."
lol - get over yourself - Z |
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic.
Since I have buried people I knew who had HIV / AIDS, and have had friends and colleagues who are living with HIV / AIDs I'm sorry to say you're talking rubbish. My knowledge is from talking to people who have had the experience from talking to people who work in public health and epidemiology, and from doing some research.
You'll notice I've tried not to be judgemental either, even when I think some people on here have been mistaken. It's too important a debate for that, but it's also a debate where people need to be better informed and to be willing to set aside the comforting myths of the past.
So how is talking to someone with the infliction not enlightening and is rubbish?
I was referring to your last paragraph.
I have not been speculating."
The paragraph should have read 'All or most...'
Just a typo.
Out of the replies on this thread only 3 people have come forward and said they know or have had contact with HIV infected people.
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"The only way to truely find out how any STI and HIV was contracted is to ask people with the virus/infection.
Talking with them would enlighten us all to the facts and how they have to live with it.
All most of the people commenting on here are just speculating about something we know nothing about first hand (myself included) so maybe its a case of agreeing to disagree and move onto another thread or topic.
Since I have buried people I knew who had HIV / AIDS, and have had friends and colleagues who are living with HIV / AIDs I'm sorry to say you're talking rubbish. My knowledge is from talking to people who have had the experience from talking to people who work in public health and epidemiology, and from doing some research.
You'll notice I've tried not to be judgemental either, even when I think some people on here have been mistaken. It's too important a debate for that, but it's also a debate where people need to be better informed and to be willing to set aside the comforting myths of the past.
So how is talking to someone with the infliction not enlightening and is rubbish?
I was referring to your last paragraph.
I have not been speculating.
lol - get over yourself - Z"
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"Its a risk Master and I are prepared to take from time to time.
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I respect that it is your choice cali, but i fail to understand how it is a risk anyone is prepared to take, i find it selfish not only to each other but to your friends, family and especially children.
Can you explain to me why you feel it is a risk worth taking? Im not having a pop at you personally, like i said earlier its your choice and i respect that, but i know you are always forth coming with your opinions, i am genuinely interested in your evaluation of the risks.
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Any idea how many times this has been discussed on here - there ought to be a special category for it - be a good idea if contributors searched for previous threads without starting off yet another on the same subject. We always play safe - it never removes the risk just reduces it to what we believe is an acceptable level. What more is there to say - if you want to be completely risk free then dont have sex. |
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Can you explain to me why you feel it is a risk worth taking? Im not having a pop at you personally, like i said earlier its your choice and i respect that, but i know you are always forth coming with your opinions, i am genuinely interested in your evaluation of the risks.
Kat x x "
Because simply we enjoy it.. I dont enjoy sex at all with a condom.. It feels wrong. Also there is nothing like laying there as my Master watches as I am filled.. its the most amazing thing.. and it heightens the situation for us intensly.
And lets face it.. even if the very worse happened..we would deal with it.. We have thought about this.. and to be fair we would rather not half live our lives.. it is a type of play we enjoy.
To be fair I bet I have full sex with much less than many..
out of 20 meets, maybe one will be full sex... and as I say we dont bareback anyone.. its normally once they are our regular partner.. and that means that they take me out, come over for just normal things.. its more like having a second man than anything else.
Yes okay on one occassion we have got carried away with someone.. but I am sure most of us can hold up our hands to that sometime in the past.
I would see it as a huge risk if I was meeting everyone bare.. but its less than 5 in 12 years of swinging..
So that is how we evaulate our risk.. on the fact it is to us, like having a 2nd man in our relationship.
Although it isnt to say at some point we wont do a creampie gangbang.. just the once..but that is again something we havent done yet as we are trying to make sure we minimise the risks.
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