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The emergence of Stag and Vixen
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We increasingly see couples using the term Stag and Vixen to describe themselves and their interests. We love the term, but we wonder whether it’s widely understood on places like Fab. For example, we see people conflating stag and vixen with cuckold, as if they were the same thing.
As we understand it, the chief difference between S&V and cuckoldry is that with S&V the man in the couple is not submissive and certainly not interested in being humiliated. In fact, it’s entirely possible that the man in the couple is alpha male, but he just happens to love his woman having sex with another man, and might or might not join in. The knock on to this, is that any single man joining an S&V couple should do so on the basis that they are there as an equal, rather than thinking they have to play the part of the ‘superior male’ (which would probably go badly wrong!).
Couples, do you agree with our understanding of S&V, and do you think the term describes your swinging interests more accurately than cuckold? Also, do you think the swinging world of Fab understands the difference, or is there confusion and misunderstanding out there?
Singles, do you know the difference between S&V and cuckoldry, and do you adjust your approach to couples accordingly? |
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Yeah we agree. Consider ourselves stag and vixen couple. Kong is not weak by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is he submissive. Just likes seeing the women he finds most attractive having fun.
He likes "his porn live and interactive" lol |
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OP is entirely right but this is why we dislike jargon and these terms. You may not be on the same page and cause misunderstanding with people.
Seen plenty of profile that say cuckold but don’t think they mean the humiliation bit, just the traditional sense the woman will sleep with men without her partner.
We enjoy that dynamic but really don’t want to call ourselves stag + vixen! |
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The whole idea is that the Stag is turned on by his wife the Vixen having sex with another suitable guy often chosen by the Stag husband and the reclamation sex is the main attraction to this lifestyle
He reclaims his wife with full erotic sex when she will often tell her Stag husband every intimate detail of her encounters with the other guy if she has met him alone
It’s the ultimate sexual stimulation for the Stag reclaiming his wife often filled with another mans come. Xx |
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I do  Only because I know a Vixen. I mentioned the term Stag in my Fab animals thread and was a bit surprised it wasn't recognised along with foxes, unicorns and bulls. |
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"The whole idea is that the Stag is turned on by his wife the Vixen having sex with another suitable guy often chosen by the Stag husband and the reclamation sex is the main attraction to this lifestyle
He reclaims his wife with full erotic sex when she will often tell her Stag husband every intimate detail of her encounters with the other guy if she has met him alone
It’s the ultimate sexual stimulation for the Stag reclaiming his wife often filled with another mans come. Xx "
ummm.. think you may have it wrong there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why????"
Your last paragraph. Reclamation sex depends on the couple in question.. but the bit about.. filled with another mans cum? That sounds more like cuckoldry to me. Stags tend to be the opposite of a cuckold and wouldn't be overly interested in the other man.. other than how he made his partner feel.
Stags in my experience tend to be happily married and in love men who are quietly confident and are just comfortable with their hot wife vixens playing with another man for a while.. and enjoying the freedom to play with another woman themselves.
Whether he has a say in who she plays with is entirely dependant on the couple and nothing to do with Stag/Vixen name. |
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"Why????
Your last paragraph. Reclamation sex depends on the couple in question.. but the bit about.. filled with another mans cum? That sounds more like cuckoldry to me. Stags tend to be the opposite of a cuckold and wouldn't be overly interested in the other man.. other than how he made his partner feel.
Stags in my experience tend to be happily married and in love men who are quietly confident and are just comfortable with their hot wife vixens playing with another man for a while.. and enjoying the freedom to play with another woman themselves.
Whether he has a say in who she plays with is entirely dependant on the couple and nothing to do with Stag/Vixen name. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP is entirely right but this is why we dislike jargon and these terms. You may not be on the same page and cause misunderstanding with people.
Seen plenty of profile that say cuckold but don’t think they mean the humiliation bit, just the traditional sense the woman will sleep with men without her partner.
We enjoy that dynamic but really don’t want to call ourselves stag + vixen!"
Yeah, get where you're coming from. We pretty much are of the same opinion but lately we've adopted the S&V label as it seems to be gaining traction as a term. But, it could of course end up as just another term with a multitude of meanings. As usual, clarity in one's profile and communications is always needed to make sure everyone is on the same page. |
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"Why????
Your last paragraph. Reclamation sex depends on the couple in question.. but the bit about.. filled with another mans cum? That sounds more like cuckoldry to me. Stags tend to be the opposite of a cuckold and wouldn't be overly interested in the other man.. other than how he made his partner feel.
Stags in my experience tend to be happily married and in love men who are quietly confident and are just comfortable with their hot wife vixens playing with another man for a while.. and enjoying the freedom to play with another woman themselves.
Whether he has a say in who she plays with is entirely dependant on the couple and nothing to do with Stag/Vixen name. "
Agree with all of that apart from 'the vixen being filled with another man's cum = cuckoldry'. It's just BB hotwifing. It makes reclaiming sex even better! |
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"We increasingly see couples using the term Stag and Vixen to describe themselves and their interests. We love the term, but we wonder whether it’s widely understood on places like Fab. For example, we see people conflating stag and vixen with cuckold, as if they were the same thing.
As we understand it, the chief difference between S&V and cuckoldry is that with S&V the man in the couple is not submissive and certainly not interested in being humiliated. In fact, it’s entirely possible that the man in the couple is alpha male, but he just happens to love his woman having sex with another man, and might or might not join in. The knock on to this, is that any single man joining an S&V couple should do so on the basis that they are there as an equal, rather than thinking they have to play the part of the ‘superior male’ (which would probably go badly wrong!).
Couples, do you agree with our understanding of S&V, and do you think the term describes your swinging interests more accurately than cuckold? Also, do you think the swinging world of Fab understands the difference, or is there confusion and misunderstanding out there?
Singles, do you know the difference between S&V and cuckoldry, and do you adjust your approach to couples accordingly?"
This is our understanding and describes us best |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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Yes, the stag/vixen is us entirely and fully understand the difference from cuckold and even some hotwife set ups. Absolutely spot on, op, with the single male comment, we did have a meet where the guy was assuming we were a cuck set up, it didn't go down well.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes, the stag/vixen is us entirely and fully understand the difference from cuckold and even some hotwife set ups. Absolutely spot on, op, with the single male comment, we did have a meet where the guy was assuming we were a cuck set up, it didn't go down well.
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Bad news about that meet. I guess some people just don't get it, yet at least. Just listened to the podcast link from your profile - Very good |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes, the stag/vixen is us entirely and fully understand the difference from cuckold and even some hotwife set ups. Absolutely spot on, op, with the single male comment, we did have a meet where the guy was assuming we were a cuck set up, it didn't go down well.
Bad news about that meet. I guess some people just don't get it, yet at least. Just listened to the podcast link from your profile - Very good "
Glad you liked it |
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We are stag and vixen, our inturpretation (sp) is.
Stag, will happily share vixen , in his prescents. Not into cuck humilation. Stag can play alone as a single.
Vixen is more than happy to be shared strictly only with stag prescent. Will NOT play as a single ( hotwife).
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"Why????
Your last paragraph. Reclamation sex depends on the couple in question.. but the bit about.. filled with another mans cum? That sounds more like cuckoldry to me. Stags tend to be the opposite of a cuckold and wouldn't be overly interested in the other man.. other than how he made his partner feel.
Stags in my experience tend to be happily married and in love men who are quietly confident and are just comfortable with their hot wife vixens playing with another man for a while.. and enjoying the freedom to play with another woman themselves.
Whether he has a say in who she plays with is entirely dependant on the couple and nothing to do with Stag/Vixen name.
Agree with all of that apart from 'the vixen being filled with another man's cum = cuckoldry'. It's just BB hotwifing. It makes reclaiming sex even better!"
Yes I guess it's just BB hotwifing.. but if I had a partner and we practiced bb sex with others. I'd not want to see it, let alone anything else with his.. manjuice. I think that adds a different level to just being bb hotwifing. Maybe not cuckoldry though.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are stag and vixen, our inturpretation (sp) is.
Stag, will happily share vixen , in his prescents. Not into cuck humilation. Stag can play alone as a single.
Vixen is more than happy to be shared strictly only with stag prescent. Will NOT play as a single ( hotwife).
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See I was under the impression Stags and Vixens were equal in terms of sharing each other with others, playing together and both doing their own thing.
If your partner isn't free, or doesn't want to hot wife on her own at times.. then I'm not sure shed be labelled as a Vixen.
According to what I know about my Vixen friends. |
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"We are stag and vixen, our inturpretation (sp) is.
Stag, will happily share vixen , in his prescents. Not into cuck humilation. Stag can play alone as a single.
Vixen is more than happy to be shared strictly only with stag prescent. Will NOT play as a single ( hotwife).
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See I was under the impression Stags and Vixens were equal in terms of sharing each other with others, playing together and both doing their own thing.
If your partner isn't free, or doesn't want to hot wife on her own at times.. then I'm not sure shed be labelled as a Vixen.
According to what I know about my Vixen friends. I've never been part of a swinging couple so my experience in those terms is limited and happy to admit defeat if I'm wrong. Just like learning/sharing. |
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"In the interests of furthering my education... What's the female equivalent of a stag in this context?
A Vixen. Female Fox."
Ah, that makes sense now I've seen your next post of Stag and Vixen as equals. Thanks GK. |
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"In the interests of furthering my education... What's the female equivalent of a stag in this context?
A Vixen. Female Fox.
Ah, that makes sense now I've seen your next post of Stag and Vixen as equals. Thanks GK. "
bear in mind I may be wrong. As OP said.. there are a myriad of different interpretations or misconceptions.
I'm only going off the couples I know personally. Then doing my own nosing about afterwards. Poking my nose into threads like this.
Just because I cant have reclaim sex, be a Stag, or share my partner.. it doesn't mean I cant show an interest, imagine or learn about other peoples things. Asking questions helped me understand the Vixens life better, helps our personal connection as friends. Makes us better matched for one another.
Even things like cuckoldry that I'm not personally attracted to.. I still want to understand. I guess there is a strong bit of anthropology or psychology going on because I like people watching, sociology and history. It's all study of human to human interaction. |
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"In the interests of furthering my education... What's the female equivalent of a stag in this context?
A Vixen. Female Fox.
Ah, that makes sense now I've seen your next post of Stag and Vixen as equals. Thanks GK.
bear in mind I may be wrong. As OP said.. there are a myriad of different interpretations or misconceptions.
I'm only going off the couples I know personally. Then doing my own nosing about afterwards. Poking my nose into threads like this.
Just because I cant have reclaim sex, be a Stag, or share my partner.. it doesn't mean I cant show an interest, imagine or learn about other peoples things. Asking questions helped me understand the Vixens life better, helps our personal connection as friends. Makes us better matched for one another.
Even things like cuckoldry that I'm not personally attracted to.. I still want to understand. I guess there is a strong bit of anthropology or psychology going on because I like people watching, sociology and history. It's all study of human to human interaction. "
I get that. People are fascinating. Not always in a good way, but fascinating nonetheless... |
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"In the interests of furthering my education... What's the female equivalent of a stag in this context?
A Vixen. Female Fox.
Ah, that makes sense now I've seen your next post of Stag and Vixen as equals. Thanks GK.
bear in mind I may be wrong. As OP said.. there are a myriad of different interpretations or misconceptions.
I'm only going off the couples I know personally. Then doing my own nosing about afterwards. Poking my nose into threads like this.
Just because I cant have reclaim sex, be a Stag, or share my partner.. it doesn't mean I cant show an interest, imagine or learn about other peoples things. Asking questions helped me understand the Vixens life better, helps our personal connection as friends. Makes us better matched for one another.
Even things like cuckoldry that I'm not personally attracted to.. I still want to understand. I guess there is a strong bit of anthropology or psychology going on because I like people watching, sociology and history. It's all study of human to human interaction.
I get that. People are fascinating. Not always in a good way, but fascinating nonetheless..."
exactly! Like Genghis Khan himself.. not good by any stretch of the imagination, but not as bad as you may think.. not for his time and by comparison to any other successful leader of his era. |
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"Stags, vixens, foxes, unicorns, bulls.....sounds like the makings of a small zoo....."
that's why I did my Fab Animals thread Looking for more unique but fun labels to slap on others. |
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"We are stag and vixen, our inturpretation (sp) is.
Stag, will happily share vixen , in his prescents. Not into cuck humilation. Stag can play alone as a single.
Vixen is more than happy to be shared strictly only with stag prescent. Will NOT play as a single ( hotwife).
See I was under the impression Stags and Vixens were equal in terms of sharing each other with others, playing together and both doing their own thing.
If your partner isn't free, or doesn't want to hot wife on her own at times.. then I'm not sure shed be labelled as a Vixen.
According to what I know about my Vixen friends. I've never been part of a swinging couple so my experience in those terms is limited and happy to admit defeat if I'm wrong. Just like learning/sharing."
That's why I'm a Vixen and not a hotwife. We do play on equal terms, when we're playing. I don't want to and have no wish to play if he's not there. He's an Alpha so does not play a cuck, or want to be humiliated. He claims me back at the end of a play. For example last in, and I'm the one who goes home with him. He lends me out and claims me back. I love being lent out, half the thrill for me is knowing that other men are drooling over me, but I belong to him.
Before the Fab police jump all over, I play of my own free mind. I am not forced into anything. And claiming back being last in. NOT BB play, even means if I've just done bj's. I go back to my partner to be claimed. |
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"As we understand it, the chief difference between S&V and cuckoldry is that with S&V the man in the couple is not submissive and certainly not interested in being humiliated. In fact, it’s entirely possible that the man in the couple is alpha male, but he just happens to love his woman having sex with another man, and might or might not join in. The knock on to this, is that any single man joining an S&V couple should do so on the basis that they are there as an equal, rather than thinking they have to play the part of the ‘superior male’ (which would probably go badly wrong!)."
This is us to a tee. Any man joining us has to treat as us equals. They'd get short shrift from me (Mr) and even worse from her (Ms). Fortunately, every meet we'd had so far have respected this and been great guys. To each we would say thank you for that.
Regarding reclaim sex afterwards, yep it tends to be pretty amazing. But there will never be another man's cum in Ms H pussy, we always play safe.
As for the wider comments about definitions etc, I think it's what you make of them. |
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"We increasingly see couples using the term Stag and Vixen to describe themselves and their interests. We love the term, but we wonder whether it’s widely understood on places like Fab. For example, we see people conflating stag and vixen with cuckold, as if they were the same thing.
As we understand it, the chief difference between S&V and cuckoldry is that with S&V the man in the couple is not submissive and certainly not interested in being humiliated. In fact, it’s entirely possible that the man in the couple is alpha male, but he just happens to love his woman having sex with another man, and might or might not join in. The knock on to this, is that any single man joining an S&V couple should do so on the basis that they are there as an equal, rather than thinking they have to play the part of the ‘superior male’ (which would probably go badly wrong!).
Couples, do you agree with our understanding of S&V, and do you think the term describes your swinging interests more accurately than cuckold? Also, do you think the swinging world of Fab understands the difference, or is there confusion and misunderstanding out there?
Singles, do you know the difference between S&V and cuckoldry, and do you adjust your approach to couples accordingly?"
This is us on the button.
A very well worded and simple explanation.
Love the sessions with people who understand the dynamics... |
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just like cuckold stag and vixen will come across different to each and every couple who call themselves such nobody is the same no 2 couples are the same |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"just like cuckold stag and vixen will come across different to each and every couple who call themselves such nobody is the same no 2 couples are the same"
Very true |
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Oops deleted by mistake..
Wow!!! This term describes us to a tee!!
We love playing together with other people and completely enjoy watching each other enjoying themselves. There is no cuckoldry at all. He is alpha and I will always go home with him to be reclaimed (although never with another man's cum in me....Only play safe) He loves watching another man desire me.
We are both free to enjoy ourselves, I can choose to play at any time and so can he, with any lady he chooses. We love and trust each other and are completely happy in our lifestyle choices. |
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Your definitions are also my understanding too, but I did get confused about the difference in the past.
I'm not sure either completely applies to me. My marriage is open, I choose my sexual partners, what I do, when, and where, and hubby isn't usually involved at all, either to select partners or be humiliated by them. He does have a right to stop me meeting someone if he objects for some reason though, but he never has. I simply have sex as a single, but married, woman. But he always has full honest knowledge of my sex life, and doesn't mind sloppy seconds, aside from rare occasions when he's joined in - it's all my own thing.
I have called myself hotwife in the past but guys then assume hubby is cuck, so I dropped the label to avoid this assumption and confusion. Xx |
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"Your definitions are also my understanding too, but I did get confused about the difference in the past.
I'm not sure either completely applies to me. My marriage is open, I choose my sexual partners, what I do, when, and where, and hubby isn't usually involved at all, either to select partners or be humiliated by them. He does have a right to stop me meeting someone if he objects for some reason though, but he never has. I simply have sex as a single, but married, woman. But he always has full honest knowledge of my sex life, and doesn't mind sloppy seconds, aside from rare occasions when he's joined in - it's all my own thing.
I have called myself hotwife in the past but guys then assume hubby is cuck, so I dropped the label to avoid this assumption and confusion. Xx"
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I suppose the correct label for me is "bareback hotwife in open marriage playing without husband who is neither cuckold or stag but has knowledge and gives permission" but that's rather long winded... It is some people's definition of just a hotwife, but too many assume cuck as I said.
I tried "married with permission", "in open relationship" and "slutwife" but gave up labelled in the end and set my profile up to pretty much be a singles one. If people want to know the details of my relationship dynamics they can just ask. Xx |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Blimey, we opened this thread yonks ago and suddenly it's back!
These days we've kind of moved on and try not to use any labels if we can help it. As others have pointed out, trying to reduce what you are to a single word or two oftens results in misunderstanding. |
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100% agree and we have mainly played as a stag/vixen or hotwife/stag and didn't realize it now had a name !! and mr4 likes seeing mrs4 enjoying herself with another male but sadly for us 90% of the so called single males seem to have no idea and as you say being all macho ?? and it has ended up in tears here as mrs4 has thrown at a fair men who have tried  |
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We’re not ones for labels either but guess with a very alpha male and equally confident female that we’d be classed as a Stag & Vixen couple.
We’re both happy with her playing with guy(s) while I finish a fiendish sudoku in the bar, watch in the same room or join straight in. As for girls, that’s a sapphic adventure she’s exploring without me. Solo adventures aren’t exclusively for Mrs T either, she has similarly enjoyed me having fun without her present. Not sure what that’s called?
Definitely no humiliation in our play, just mutual thrills with very few boundaries other than playing safe.
At present none of that is possible other than virtually but it’s been surprising how much fun she’s been having with other guys and girls on Fab while I’m away. Which, like now is often. Perhaps ‘Virtual Vixen’ is the most appropriate adjective for Mrs Tipping at present!
Don't be thinking virtual fun is a waste of time either. One guy on here regularly has her having multiple orgasms to his words, I get to enjoy their fantasy fucking from afar, sometimes after the event, sometime real time. Sometimes they mention me, sometimes they don’t. Fun! |
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