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"I just hate the term "cis woman" and refuse to be addressed as one. Anything else I'm fine with, fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Same for life in general really I care not, do as you please." | |||
"Steal as many straight men and you want and bloody enjoy it
Report messages like that to admin then block them "There is a difference between bullying and disagreeing. My point was simply that I cannot imagine why a woman would be worried about her straight husband in this context. If they write to the op along these lines then I think they are being silly. Accusations of bullying are being used to close down discussion and disagreement. Which I feel is wrong. And with that feel free to block me if you wish. | |||
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"Steal as many straight men and you want and bloody enjoy it
Report messages like that to admin then block them
There is a difference between bullying and disagreeing. My point was simply that I cannot imagine why a woman would be worried about her straight husband in this context.
If they write to the op along these lines then I think they are being silly.
Accusations of bullying are being used to close down discussion and disagreement. Which I feel is wrong.
And with that feel free to block me if you wish."I haven't stated they are bullying the OP
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"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ?" A woman who is not trans. | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ?" Thank god you asked that. Thought it was just me. | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. " A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. | |||
"I'm a woman. I was born one. Why do I need the label 'cis' in front of the woman part?! People spend too much time in labeling themselves and others in my opinion. And OP, if you feel messages are bullying or abusive, report and block. " Well said...I am a woman. I need no other label | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. " It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. | |||
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"I just hate the term "cis woman" and refuse to be addressed as one. Anything else I'm fine with, fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Same for life in general really I care not, do as you please." Yep | |||
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"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" Wow how odd always something new and crazy on here, don't pay any attention to the bad concentrate on the good | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? Thank god you asked that. Thought it was just me." I just had to google that! Things you learn on the forums. In the answer to the original question. Why should it bother anyone. You crack on and do what you please. There’s nasty people out there you can’t stop them but you can ignore them and not let it affect you xx | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. " They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. " How is it a inclusive when, by labelling a woman born a woman as a cis woman you're actually excluding them from the woman label? If anyone can word that better, feel free | |||
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"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. How is it a inclusive when, by labelling a woman born a woman as a cis woman you're actually excluding them from the woman label? If anyone can word that better, feel free "Thankyou, I was trying to work that one out. | |||
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"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" This site is for everyone to use and I am more than happy to share it with trans and CD people. Sadly, there are always those who feel the need to be nasty. I suspect that in many cases they lack self esteem. Don't let it get to you. Nita | |||
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"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site? This site is for everyone to use and I am more than happy to share it with trans and CD people. Sadly, there are always those who feel the need to be nasty. I suspect that in many cases they lack self esteem. Don't let it get to you. Nita " | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. How is it a inclusive when, by labelling a woman born a woman as a cis woman you're actually excluding them from the woman label? If anyone can word that better, feel free
Thankyou, I was trying to work that one out. "It's called cisgender...... A woman born a woman | |||
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"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. How is it a inclusive when, by labelling a woman born a woman as a cis woman you're actually excluding them from the woman label? If anyone can word that better, feel free
Thankyou, I was trying to work that one out. It's called cisgender...... A woman born a woman "I know. I wasted 5 minutes if my time looking it up on Google. | |||
"Cis excludes cis women from the "woman" label the same way other adjectives do. Like black, white, British, bisexual. As a white cis bisexual woman I'm not feeling excluded from the woman label at all. " So basically you've got one 'woman' heading, with various subheadings? | |||
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"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" There are plenty of blokes on Fab to go round! | |||
"Just bunny boilers with nothing better to do. Just ignore them and steal their men "They'll be stealing our jobs soon, too  | |||
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"Just bunny boilers with nothing better to do. Just ignore them and steal their men
They'll be stealing our jobs soon, too "The wimmin won't never be able to do the menfolk's jobs. | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" Horrible message to receive but they are wrong. Any man who meets you is not straight. | |||
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"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ?" me too! Lol | |||
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"Thank you for all the positive messages it’s really nice to see such acceptance. I am not upset by the messages sent, the point of the post was to figure out if it was a site wide opinion especially amongst the ladies which I now know not to be the case. I’ve also noticed a lot of people discussing the term cis woman that I used in my original post. I’m no expert on gender terminology but in my opinion and the way I intended the term to be read in the original post, is someone who was born into the body they feel they are in their being and is a more sensitive way of saying biological woman or non trans woman. " Non trams woman..really? Biological woman, I mean is this not getting a little out of hand with the labelling. We're women. There really is no need for anything else. Transgender is transgender it's a medical fact. Trans man or trans woman other than that you are just man or woman. Neither is the norm, neither is unusual, they are what they are and I fully accept that. But there really is no need to add a new label to what has been used since the birth of language. My biology is female, my gender identity is woman. Never assume people are happy with the "cis" label because many are not so you may find yourself offending others. | |||
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"What is a "cis" woman? " A woman, someone who was born biologically female and identifies as a biological female commonly referred to as a "woman". See this is where the whole use of "cis" has got us. People are confused about what and actual woman is and therefore stripping women of their identity. This is where the debate had really taken off on other forums/sites and why via is referred to and believed to be offensive to many women. | |||
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"What is a "cis" woman? A woman, someone who was born biologically female and identifies as a biological female commonly referred to as a "woman". See this is where the whole use of "cis" has got us. People are confused about what and actual woman is and therefore stripping women of their identity. This is where the debate had really taken off on other forums/sites and why via is referred to and believed to be offensive to many women. " Absolutely agree. It's just not necessary. Too many people are keen to label everything. | |||
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"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. " This is weird lol | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. This is weird lol" So a woman then? How ridiculous. | |||
"Tell them to fuck off. Must be insecure if they think your going to steal their men away or maybe you just look better than them and they know it. As for tbe cis i cant stand it im just a woman" True. It's possible that u look so good that yr making them feel insecure. Stealing implies that yr taking something from them that belongs to them or is their property which ain't the case. "Healthy competition", well there's plenty of women like that already so it's probably easier for them to direct it at u rather than another female, again insecurity issues. But above all the "straight" guys are obv looking for something a bit extra that maybe real women cant offer . Surely that doesn't make them "straight" in the first place and on the spectrum of being slightly bi. It's a very grey area but I thought straight meant u slept with the opposite sex to the gender u were born in to. | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" How awful! Stealing straight men?? Really? What a stupid statement. Sounds like pure jealousy to me! | |||
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"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. " Or in other words; a woman! What a f*****g stupid label | |||
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"Hi everyone, I'm sorry that a few people are getting hung up over the "cis" label. It is not in any way derogatory or seeking to exclude anybody from any group. The terms cisgender and transgender are merely the gender equivalents of the sexuality terms heterosexual and homosexual. I don't think that any straight man or woman would be offended by being called heterosexual? Likewise no man or woman who happily lives within the gender they were assigned at birth should be offended by the adjective cisgender. As a cisgender woman, you are a woman. As a transgender woman i am a woman. But clearly there is a difference between us, and the adjectives used to denote this difference are cis and trans. There is no more significance to the terms than right handed and left handed. Indeed the words are merely latin, meaning "on the same side" and "on the other side". I do appreciate that the terms may not be immediately familiar to all, the application to gender description is in fact only 28 years old (originating in a medical journal article written in 1991). However the basis of the cis and trans labels are nearly as old as right and left! In ancient rome the names Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul were used to denote the different tribes of Gauls living on this side of the Alps, or the other side of the Alps! Apologies for rattling on about this at length. As i said above, there is no offence meant or should be taken by the terms cis woman or cis man. But if I (as a transwoman) need to make the distinction of "a woman assigned female at birth who is happy within her original assigned gender identity", i may well say "cis woman". In exactly the same way that you (as a cis woman) may well find it easier to say "trans woman" when you are specifically referring to a person who was assigned male at birth but now is happier to live within the opposite gender. That's all. It's just easier to say when you or i need to indicate the difference. Peace and love everybody. Polly xx" I dont want to be called a cis woman. I dont want cis in front of woman ive not had it for 54 years and im not about to start having it now | |||
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"Hi everyone, I'm sorry that a few people are getting hung up over the "cis" label. It is not in any way derogatory or seeking to exclude anybody from any group. The terms cisgender and transgender are merely the gender equivalents of the sexuality terms heterosexual and homosexual. I don't think that any straight man or woman would be offended by being called heterosexual? Likewise no man or woman who happily lives within the gender they were assigned at birth should be offended by the adjective cisgender. As a cisgender woman, you are a woman. As a transgender woman i am a woman. But clearly there is a difference between us, and the adjectives used to denote this difference are cis and trans. There is no more significance to the terms than right handed and left handed. Indeed the words are merely latin, meaning "on the same side" and "on the other side". I do appreciate that the terms may not be immediately familiar to all, the application to gender description is in fact only 28 years old (originating in a medical journal article written in 1991). However the basis of the cis and trans labels are nearly as old as right and left! In ancient rome the names Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul were used to denote the different tribes of Gauls living on this side of the Alps, or the other side of the Alps! Apologies for rattling on about this at length. As i said above, there is no offence meant or should be taken by the terms cis woman or cis man. But if I (as a transwoman) need to make the distinction of "a woman assigned female at birth who is happy within her original assigned gender identity", i may well say "cis woman". In exactly the same way that you (as a cis woman) may well find it easier to say "trans woman" when you are specifically referring to a person who was assigned male at birth but now is happier to live within the opposite gender. That's all. It's just easier to say when you or i need to indicate the difference. Peace and love everybody. Polly xx" And this post Polly is why so many of us love you. | |||
"I dont want to be called a cis woman. I dont want cis in front of woman ive not had it for 54 years and im not about to start having it now" | |||
"Cis excludes cis women from the "woman" label the same way other adjectives do. Like black, white, British, bisexual. As a white cis bisexual woman I'm not feeling excluded from the woman label at all. So basically you've got one 'woman' heading, with various subheadings? " By George, I think he’s got it! | |||
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"Women have seriously said that to you?" That's the weird part, why? Are they genuine or Trolls? Report anyway, It takes 10 seconds | |||
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"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people..." I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. | |||
There's tons of men on here fucking hell. You ignore them, they seem kinda sad and needing someone to take their frustrations out on. | |||
"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people... I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. " Never heard so much rubbish in my life. A woman is either a woman or not, end of. It's not an age thing either. I asked my 15yo daughter about it, she rolled her eyes and called it some PC shit. | |||
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"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people... I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. " Comprehensively and eloquently explained! Thanks Polly. | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. How is it a inclusive when, by labelling a woman born a woman as a cis woman you're actually excluding them from the woman label? If anyone can word that better, feel free
Thankyou, I was trying to work that one out. It's called cisgender...... A woman born a woman
I know. I wasted 5 minutes if my time looking it up on Google. "lol as you get older time becomes more precious  | |||
"I am lost what the hell is a cis woman ? A woman who is not trans. A woman who was born a woman. And not trans I think. Just an excuse for another lable. It's inclusive. A bit like you don't say "autistic" and "normal" or "deaf" and "normal". Autistic people, deaf people, and trans women are all normal too. They are normal. Didn't say they weren't. I just dislike labeling people. How is it a inclusive when, by labelling a woman born a woman as a cis woman you're actually excluding them from the woman label? If anyone can word that better, feel free
Thankyou, I was trying to work that one out. It's called cisgender...... A woman born a woman
I know. I wasted 5 minutes if my time looking it up on Google. lol as you get older time becomes more precious "Is that an ageist comment haha?! | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" Is Crawley that short of straight men?
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"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people... I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. " Another convenient, shorthand, factual way to refer to a woman would be ‘a woman’ | |||
"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people... I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. Another convenient, shorthand, factual way to refer to a woman would be ‘a woman’ "Exactly! How sensible. | |||
"Ignore it. Life's too short to worry about what people you're never meet think of you. "My philosophy is it is none of my business what other people say of me and think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." - Anthony Hopkins."  | |||
"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people..." I'm all for all women being able to just refer to themselves as women but if trans women reject the label of trans and just refer to themselves as women they get all kinds of hate for "deceiving" or "tricking" people. You can't have it both ways. | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" It's a strange thing, that most of us that use a swingers site are very broad minded and accepting of others likes, dislikes, lifestyle choices and fetishes, but I suppose there will always be those with the mindset of, It's my way or the highway. Narrow minded people who feel threatened by others choices. | |||
"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people... I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. Another convenient, shorthand, factual way to refer to a woman would be ‘a woman’ "It would be, and it is. It's the term i most often use myself. When i want to refer to all types of women. Short and tall. Right handed and left handed. Dark haired and light haired. Hetero and lesbian and bisexual. Northern and Southern. Transgender and cisgender. However if (like the original posting) i need to specifically refer to one particular type of women, i use an appropriate adjective in front of the word "woman". I could say "women who are not left handed" but it's better english to say "right handed women". I could say "women who are not short or medium height" but it's lots easier to say "tall women". I could say "women who are not transgender, who were labelled female at birth and who's bodily development has given them breasts and a vagina, who are emotionally and mentally happy to live within the gender expression expected of them by society" but it's a big mouthful. So i say cis woman. But only if i mean that particular type of woman. And generally only in a surrounding where i have a reasonable expectation of most people knowing my meaning. Like, you know, a website where most people could be expected to have an understanding of terms surrounding sexuality and gender. And if people look at me blankly and say "sorry, don't know that word", i politely apologise for using a word they're not familiar with and give them the right vs left, short vs tall, north vs south, cis vs trans explanation. And they hopefully say "oh, I've learned a new word, that's a convenient shorthand way of expressing that concept". You've learned a new word. Nobody is applying it to you personally. Nobody expected you to know it until it was explained to you. Nobody is expecting you to use it, you can use whatever longwinded description for "women who are not etc etc" that you like. When you mean all types of woman, just say woman. Peace and love everybody. Polly xx | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?It's a strange thing, that most of us that use a swingers site are very broad minded and accepting of others likes, dislikes, lifestyle choices and fetishes, but I suppose there will always be those with the mindset of, It's my way or the highway. Narrow minded people who feel threatened by others choices." Sadly my experience has been the opposite. I've spent years on fetish sites and only ever had occassional judgemental comments but in the short time I've been on here I've had loads. Seems to be a lot on here that think anything other than run of the mill sex is sick and wrong. | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" Nothing surprises me, but I'd also suggest not all people on this site are swingers and not all women are women. Some profiles are just to have a look around or troll. | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?It's a strange thing, that most of us that use a swingers site are very broad minded and accepting of others likes, dislikes, lifestyle choices and fetishes, but I suppose there will always be those with the mindset of, It's my way or the highway. Narrow minded people who feel threatened by others choices. Sadly my experience has been the opposite. I've spent years on fetish sites and only ever had occassional judgemental comments but in the short time I've been on here I've had loads. Seems to be a lot on here that think anything other than run of the mill sex is sick and wrong." Yes.Strange isn't it. On a site where people come to meet and chat with other broadminded people, who have a whole range of fantasies and desires, you can still be judged for wanting to be a little different, and made to feel as though you are wrong. | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" They are just trolling , I collect quite a few messages from these types. I just usually post a screenshot on my twitter for lolz | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" i have to say i am surprised and sorry that you have had these kind of messages perhaps i have been lucky that i have not had anything similar although i am not looking for guys be it straight or not so that could make a difference i suppose - hope the way people behave doesnt change what you are looking for just ignore them and carry on with what you were doing monique x x | |||
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"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?" There are more than enough testosterone filled worm like males of the species on FAB to go around. Any negativity is just a form of jealousy. Mistress Amelia and Lady Voluptas x | |||
"So Ive been on the site for a while now and I’ve had a few negative messages from cis women on here. Enough that I know it isn’t just a few crazies. Most where along the lines of “you’ll never be a girl, why are you trying to steal our straight men’ My question is do you have a negative opinion on TV/TS/CD using this site?It's a strange thing, that most of us that use a swingers site are very broad minded and accepting of others likes, dislikes, lifestyle choices and fetishes, but I suppose there will always be those with the mindset of, It's my way or the highway. Narrow minded people who feel threatened by others choices. Sadly my experience has been the opposite. I've spent years on fetish sites and only ever had occassional judgemental comments but in the short time I've been on here I've had loads. Seems to be a lot on here that think anything other than run of the mill sex is sick and wrong. Yes.Strange isn't it. On a site where people come to meet and chat with other broadminded people, who have a whole range of fantasies and desires, you can still be judged for wanting to be a little different, and made to feel as though you are wrong." I find FAB is very much a closed minded community in alot ways. It is particularly driven from the cis prospective. If you don't conform to the cis labels, how dare you have fun!! | |||
"Polly saying you don't mean offence doesn't mean your'e not causing offence.... You should never ever assume someone is happy with a label at all. You'd think the transgender community would understand this. The term woman is about identity not biological fact. If you want to discuss the difference between a biological female who identifies as a woman and a biological male who identifies as a woman then do so that way perhaps, or is that offensive? Because you know we've been biological male or biologically female long before Gaul existed.... Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works. Many women refuse the term cis, Martina Navratilova being a very outspoken person on rejecting the term cis for example. Anyway this will just detail the thread so I'll say no more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being transgender, it's wonderful that society has moved on and is begining. To accept that, and you should fuck who you want, when you want how you want. Just don't label people... I don't label people. I personally very, very seldom say "cis woman" unless i absolutely specifically need to exclude trans women from the group I'm talking about. Normally i would say woman. I tend not to say "biological woman" because i happen to know a little about genetics, and that the "xx" versus "xy" thing we're taught at school is (although not totally wrong) a convenient simplification. If i said "biological woman" i would actually be excluding something between 0.1% and 1% of women who were judged as female at birth, who believe that they have female-style genitals and have always considered themselves female. Ditto and opposite if i said "biological man". There are a whole bunch of complex genetic mixtures, which are not really that rare, which produce bodies that "biologically" do not correspond to "common sense" expectations. Likewise there are many conditions where "xx" or "xy" genetics may not develop in the "conventional" way due to exposure to various chemicals, drugs, hormones or whatever while in the womb. I personally always used to think that these were one-in-a-billion cases, and could be discounted as "freaks". Until i read up about it and discovered that the number of "biologically gender abnormal" people, most of whom don't even know about it, is greater than say the number of true red haired people. "Giving people a label they don't want because it suits a narrative specific to one group of society and then exclaiming "it's not offensive" isn't how it works." With this i totally agree. It's funny though how so many non-trans people have no problem with applying the "trans" label to people such as me, and then exclaiming "it's not offensive". Finally, the term "cisgender" is not something trendy and new invented by the trans community to persecute non-trans people with. It was coined by cis-gendered people in the medical community, in order to make a particular distinction when it is needed. It's not offensive. It's scientific. It just sounds a bit unusual to many people who are 54 years old. It's nothing but a convenient, factual, short hand way to refer to one attribute of someone's gender. Like hetero or bi, sub or dom, blonde or brunette, short or tall. It's called language, and it develops over time. Another convenient, shorthand, factual way to refer to a woman would be ‘a woman’
It would be, and it is. It's the term i most often use myself. When i want to refer to all types of women. Short and tall. Right handed and left handed. Dark haired and light haired. Hetero and lesbian and bisexual. Northern and Southern. Transgender and cisgender.
However if (like the original posting) i need to specifically refer to one particular type of women, i use an appropriate adjective in front of the word "woman".
I could say "women who are not left handed" but it's better english to say "right handed women".
I could say "women who are not short or medium height" but it's lots easier to say "tall women".
I could say "women who are not transgender, who were labelled female at birth and who's bodily development has given them breasts and a vagina, who are emotionally and mentally happy to live within the gender expression expected of them by society" but it's a big mouthful.
So i say cis woman. But only if i mean that particular type of woman. And generally only in a surrounding where i have a reasonable expectation of most people knowing my meaning.
Like, you know, a website where most people could be expected to have an understanding of terms surrounding sexuality and gender.
And if people look at me blankly and say "sorry, don't know that word", i politely apologise for using a word they're not familiar with and give them the right vs left, short vs tall, north vs south, cis vs trans explanation. And they hopefully say "oh, I've learned a new word, that's a convenient shorthand way of expressing that concept".
You've learned a new word. Nobody is applying it to you personally. Nobody expected you to know it until it was explained to you. Nobody is expecting you to use it, you can use whatever longwinded description for "women who are not etc etc" that you like. When you mean all types of woman, just say woman.
Peace and love everybody. Polly xx
"Thank you lolly you perfectly summed this up. X | |||
"A lot of negative energy from most single Fems ...LOL "Wanted to highlight this, cos the other posts are mainly on the topic of 'cis'.... Hello to this bloke, you do have a point, but some of the guys, can be a handful | |||
