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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. " Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. | |||
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"I’m sure some women with these preferences will be along soon to explain their reasoning "I hope so. I’d happily be set straight. So to speak. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man." A loooooooot of men like me because I’m very inexperienced. When I first joined I had only ever slept with my husband, and a lot of men found that a huge turn on (  )
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"I’m sure some women with these preferences will be along soon to explain their reasoning
I hope so. I’d happily be set straight. So to speak."
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"I was taken aback at finding women whose preference/requirement was straight only, no bi men. This made zero sense to me. A man’s bi-sexuality does not detract from his attraction to women. Said man is equally attracted to women as his straight friend. If a woman meets such a man alone, he is for all intents and purposes straight in that scenario, and it has no bearing on his role, performance, or commitment. I’m all for people liking what they like (who am I to judge), but because I struggle to understand this position, it felt like there’s something more at play. So, my initial thought was that this preference must either be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. But given that I’ve met quite a few women like this, I have to take pause. What’s your view?" Firstly you have the NHS who say that bisexual men are riddled with STDs. Secondly some women don't want to suck a cock that's been in a man's anus. And lastly they want real men. So yes ignorance. With couples some believe that bisexual men can't help themselves around men. More ignorance. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man." Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of..." For some women they say it makes them feel less feminine especially if the man meets TVs | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. A loooooooot of men like me because I’m very inexperienced. When I first joined I had only ever slept with my husband, and a lot of men found that a huge turn on ( )
But that’s a bit off topic "I kinda see your point though. But I’d argue that that particular preference that men have is also not a good view, but for different reasons. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of..." Because straight men NEVER do anal. Oh wait they do. But girls bottoms are made of sugar and spice and mens bottoms are made of puppy dogs tails.  | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of..." Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Because straight men NEVER do anal. Oh wait they do. But girls bottoms are made of sugar and spice and mens bottoms are made of puppy dogs tails. "Good point. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman." If only there was another arsehole close at hand. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman." It was only a ‘perhaps’ scenario so stand down . Let’s ask someone who is bothered.. | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x" There it is. A good counter argument. I haven’t thought of that. | |||
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"I meet and have met bi men as i find them more open minded "This is so the case | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman. It was only a ‘perhaps’ scenario so stand down . Let’s ask someone who is bothered.."Sorry was trying to be funny. | |||
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"I was taken aback at finding women whose preference/requirement was straight only, no bi men. This made zero sense to me. A man’s bi-sexuality does not detract from his attraction to women. Said man is equally attracted to women as his straight friend. If a woman meets such a man alone, he is for all intents and purposes straight in that scenario, and it has no bearing on his role, performance, or commitment. I’m all for people liking what they like (who am I to judge), but because I struggle to understand this position, it felt like there’s something more at play. So, my initial thought was that this preference must either be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. But given that I’ve met quite a few women like this, I have to take pause. What’s your view?" Why do others feel they are owed a reason? It often only leads to being called names or labelled, often wrongly. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. " Bi women and bi men are not the same thing. Someone might find the thought of 2 women fucking to be a turn on. But they might find the thought of 2 men fucking a turn off. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Bi women and bi men are not the same thing. Someone might find the thought of 2 women fucking to be a turn on. But they might find the thought of 2 men fucking a turn off. " But assuming everyone has safer sex, who else I fuck is entirely irrelevant. They may look at my veris and find someone on there they wouldn't want to picture naked. So what? | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman. It was only a ‘perhaps’ scenario so stand down . Let’s ask someone who is bothered..
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. " I know, right? But CheekyFlirtyCouple just made a point worth considering. | |||
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"There are lots of different reasons that people give, if they give one. In general terms, I'd say that logic doesn't play a part in sexual attraction and for some, the idea of guy on guy sex is a turn off. So much so that it diminishes their attraction for the guys that have done it. The simple fact for a lot is that there is a stigma attached to bi guys. " This. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. I know, right? But CheekyFlirtyCouple just made a point worth considering." That's the only argument I've seen that makes sense to me. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man." Some people won't meet people who have a large number of verifications- so not asking for virgins but preferring people who don't fuck around a lot. For some women it will be exactly that as you said- they don't want to fuck a man who previously had sex with a man. Makes sense to me. | |||
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"I was taken aback at finding women whose preference/requirement was straight only, no bi men. This made zero sense to me. A man’s bi-sexuality does not detract from his attraction to women. Said man is equally attracted to women as his straight friend. If a woman meets such a man alone, he is for all intents and purposes straight in that scenario, and it has no bearing on his role, performance, or commitment. I’m all for people liking what they like (who am I to judge), but because I struggle to understand this position, it felt like there’s something more at play. So, my initial thought was that this preference must either be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. But given that I’ve met quite a few women like this, I have to take pause. What’s your view? Why do others feel they are owed a reason? It often only leads to being called names or labelled, often wrongly." I’m just after some understanding. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Bi women and bi men are not the same thing. Someone might find the thought of 2 women fucking to be a turn on. But they might find the thought of 2 men fucking a turn off. But assuming everyone has safer sex, who else I fuck is entirely irrelevant. They may look at my veris and find someone on there they wouldn't want to picture naked. So what? " So that would possibly put them off meeting you. | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x" Now its actually 3 months for men who have sex with men and contacts as long as you reach the other criteria. I think the username says it all I personally love bi men, to be in a group situation where everyone is bi is just incredible. Plus I love sharing cock with men | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Some people won't meet people who have a large number of verifications- so not asking for virgins but preferring people who don't fuck around a lot. For some women it will be exactly that as you said- they don't want to fuck a man who previously had sex with a man. Makes sense to me. "Hmm, still get it. But no worries. | |||
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"Ah but when has sexual preference had to make sense or be logical? This reminds me of the threads about no black men or black men only profiles. I agree with you it's not logical per se and may be part due to some internalised prejudice and societal influences (even in the best and kindest people). To be fair you can argue to the cows come home the inner reasons why. Maybe in a future progressive society this would be less so. But sexual preference is something very deep and personal to the individual. When it comes to our sexual tastes I think we should not be judged or made to feel ashamed. Its our bodies and our choice how we concent to use them without having justify why. So as far as I can see when it comes to sexual preference we need to just respect people's wishes." | |||
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"Some women find it a huge turn off. Is there more of a reason needed?" I’d like to understand better. And I think it’s worth fighting for Pride *if* there is prejudice involved. I’d like to like in a world. But I’m mostly just trying to understand something that took me by surprise. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Bi women and bi men are not the same thing. Someone might find the thought of 2 women fucking to be a turn on. But they might find the thought of 2 men fucking a turn off. But assuming everyone has safer sex, who else I fuck is entirely irrelevant. They may look at my veris and find someone on there they wouldn't want to picture naked. So what? So that would possibly put them off meeting you. " | |||
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"Ah but when has sexual preference had to make sense or be logical? This reminds me of the threads about no black men or black men only profiles. I agree with you it's not logical per se and may be part due to some internalised prejudice and societal influences (even in the best and kindest people). To be fair you can argue to the cows come home the inner reasons why. Maybe in a future progressive society this would be less so. But sexual preference is something very deep and personal to the individual. When it comes to our sexual tastes I think we should not be judged or made to feel ashamed. Its our bodies and our choice how we concent to use them without having justify why. So as far as I can see when it comes to sexual preference we need to just respect people's wishes." Well-spoken and bears thinking on. | |||
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"Some women find it a huge turn off. Is there more of a reason needed? I’d like to understand better. And I think it’s worth fighting for Pride *if* there is prejudice involved. I’d like to like in a world. But I’m mostly just trying to understand something that took me by surprise." As you've said. If the women didn't know the man was bi she wouldn't have known the difference. Is it any wonder that some guys have themselves down as straight. Speaking of which OP... | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x Now its actually 3 months for men who have sex with men and contacts as long as you reach the other criteria. I think the username says it all I personally love bi men, to be in a group situation where everyone is bi is just incredible. Plus I love sharing cock with men" If it’s changed to three months we can look at giving again! X | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. I know, right? But CheekyFlirtyCouple just made a point worth considering. That's the only argument I've seen that makes sense to me. " Have to agree and didn’t know this. | |||
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"Some women find it a huge turn off. Is there more of a reason needed? I’d like to understand better. And I think it’s worth fighting for Pride *if* there is prejudice involved. I’d like to like in a world. But I’m mostly just trying to understand something that took me by surprise." So if I'm terribly homophobic/ prejudiced and there's no way in hell I'd fuck a bi man. Then what? | |||
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"Bisexuality is such a vast area of human personality and difference. It's possible to be emotionally/romantically bi but not have physical interest in the same gender - and vice versa, as well as any conjugation of interests along these/this spectr(a)um. Society generally thinks of bisexuality being about physical sex, rather than the emotional/romantic relationships that we can all have. I think to some extent this influences people to only want to have sex with heterosexual partners, rather than bisexuals - our massive obsession with sex (coupled with society's older-fashioned sex/gay is bad influences) Bi guys seem to get it worse than bi women, with less choice available to them. We're obviously all right to want to respect others' preferences. What surprises me often is that many of us don't seem to want to put much attention upon why we have our own preferences, seemingly insisting to brush it off, as something that's static and then we continue as before, not having really taken a better glimpse at ourselves. " I agree with your last paragraph wholeheartedly. I find that many refuse to examine their motives and take a "it just is" approach. I always think that a level of understanding or self awareness is a wonderful thing. | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x" The blood donation rules also state people who have sex for money can't give blood. Lots of swingers are also escorts as their day job. (Please note- I'm not inferring you're an escort! X) They're funny rules really. Sex with hundreds of people for free- no problem. Sex for money just once- it's an issue. | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x" Bollocks, I'm 50 i have been around the block.. So I sleep with 5 'straight' guys..bareback..ooh.. No bi men, am I more of a risk? X | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x Now its actually 3 months for men who have sex with men and contacts as long as you reach the other criteria. I think the username says it all I personally love bi men, to be in a group situation where everyone is bi is just incredible. Plus I love sharing cock with men" Whether they recommend you should wait 3 months or 12 months doesn’t it make you wonder why this is only stipulated for men who have sex with other men? They clearly have reason to believe that gay/bi men are a higher risk. Obviously they are relying on everyone to be completely open and honest about their sexual history... Lou x | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that." | |||
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"Not sure why so many bi men get hung up over not getting women, they still like men right so just indulge there..." Because they're bi...they like both. I wouldn't suddenly be a lesbian if men weren't interested in me, I'd still want men too. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that." Swingers are in the high risk group, but you rarely hear this as an excuse not to sleep with them. | |||
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"Not sure why so many bi men get hung up over not getting women, they still like men right so just indulge there..." It just means guys get to turn you down as well as women | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that." Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? " Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. | |||
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"Not sure why so many bi men get hung up over not getting women, they still like men right so just indulge there... It just means guys get to turn you down as well as women " | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well." That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that." The statistics are there though as gay men especially along with many bisexuals are more aware of STDs so much more likely to get a check up than straight men. Many straight men do not think of diseases but fear getting someone pregnant more. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. The statistics are there though as gay men especially along with many bisexuals are more aware of STDs so much more likely to get a check up than straight men. Many straight men do not think of diseases but fear getting someone pregnant more. " Maybe. It’s all about cause and effect isn’t it. Review the information yourself and decide the level of risk that you are willing to accept personally. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... For some women they say it makes them feel less feminine especially if the man meets TVs" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here. | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here." You don’t really think that though do you?  | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct." I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. The statistics are there though as gay men especially along with many bisexuals are more aware of STDs so much more likely to get a check up than straight men. Many straight men do not think of diseases but fear getting someone pregnant more. " Statistics are only as good as data collection. Since the data collection is prejudiced the result is prejudiced. Does NHS cover every demographic? No. Therefore people in higher risk groups don't come up ahead of bisexual men because there is no checkbox for them. Women who do bareback gangbangs are considered less risk than bisexual men who use protection. | |||
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" The statistics are there though as gay men especially along with many bisexuals are more aware of STDs so much more likely to get a check up than straight men. Many straight men do not think of diseases but fear getting someone pregnant more. Maybe. It’s all about cause and effect isn’t it. Review the information yourself and decide the level of risk that you are willing to accept personally." I think that you've hit the nail on the head there, people should review the information themselves, not base it on hearsay and paraphrasing. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. " They’re recent. In fact, I was lucky enough to go to a lecture last September by one of the country’s leading experts in infection disease and one of the things he spoke about for changes in sexual habits and sti trends within the last 5 years. Very interesting. (I work in a hospital, hence my interest,) | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. " I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. " That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here. You don’t really think that though do you? "Yes for sure I do, otherwise why would I say it. We get over 100 messages a day from straight men who adore us girls. Which beggers the question how do you know the last guy who fucked you isn't bi. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. "Scientists are never wrong. Take for instance the scientists who told us that smoking was good for you... Scientific studies where bisexual men are compared against hetrosexual monogamous men aren't really covering the available demographics. | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here. You don’t really think that though do you?
Yes for sure I do, otherwise why would I say it. We get over 100 messages a day from straight men who adore us girls. Which beggers the question how do you know the last guy who fucked you isn't bi."Well the ladies I’ve seen on here are beautiful so I’m not sure who you’re looking at. I’m not bothered if the last guy I fucked was bi or not. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk." The risk does still stand but the recognition that its the same level of risk as meeting any swinger is an important one. The fact that studies focus on gay sex doesn't prove more risk. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk." No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. The statistics are there though as gay men especially along with many bisexuals are more aware of STDs so much more likely to get a check up than straight men. Many straight men do not think of diseases but fear getting someone pregnant more. Statistics are only as good as data collection. Since the data collection is prejudiced the result is prejudiced. Does NHS cover every demographic? No. Therefore people in higher risk groups don't come up ahead of bisexual men because there is no checkbox for them. Women who do bareback gangbangs are considered less risk than bisexual men who use protection. "
The statistics are ridiculous. It's why many swingers don't bother getting tested- they think only gay or bi men catch things. So there they go, spreading it around.... | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that.
Scientists are never wrong. Take for instance the scientists who told us that smoking was good for you...
Scientific studies where bisexual men are compared against hetrosexual monogamous men aren't really covering the available demographics. "That’s your choice. If you don’t trust the facts presented to you by experts in that field, that’s up to you. You make your choices based on your own beliefs. No problem. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. The statistics are there though as gay men especially along with many bisexuals are more aware of STDs so much more likely to get a check up than straight men. Many straight men do not think of diseases but fear getting someone pregnant more. Statistics are only as good as data collection. Since the data collection is prejudiced the result is prejudiced. Does NHS cover every demographic? No. Therefore people in higher risk groups don't come up ahead of bisexual men because there is no checkbox for them. Women who do bareback gangbangs are considered less risk than bisexual men who use protection.
The statistics are ridiculous. It's why many swingers don't bother getting tested- they think only gay or bi men catch things. So there they go, spreading it around.... "The research doesn’t say that at all, if you read it. It says that some groups are higher risk than others. Gay/bi men are just one of the groups covered. | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here. You don’t really think that though do you?
Yes for sure I do, otherwise why would I say it. We get over 100 messages a day from straight men who adore us girls. Which beggers the question how do you know the last guy who fucked you isn't bi."Some look amazing. Some look like Iggy Pop in stockings and lipstick. Getting tons of messages doesn’t necessarily mean you’re hot, a lot of men won’t bother messaging someone out of their league, they’ll save time and effort and go for the safe bet. Lou x | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy." Also not true. It in no way says that 100% of men who sleep with men without protection will catch an sti. It says that the risk is higher, but it’s nit a definite. How can it be? If two virgin makes only ever fuck each other, they would never catch anything would they? | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here. You don’t really think that though do you?
Yes for sure I do, otherwise why would I say it. We get over 100 messages a day from straight men who adore us girls. Which beggers the question how do you know the last guy who fucked you isn't bi.
Well the ladies I’ve seen on here are beautiful so I’m not sure who you’re looking at.
I’m not bothered if the last guy I fucked was bi or not."So what's your beef then. | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here." This made me giggle. As when you say some, think you mean most! | |||
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" To be honest some TVs look more feminine than a lot of women on here. You don’t really think that though do you?
Yes for sure I do, otherwise why would I say it. We get over 100 messages a day from straight men who adore us girls. Which beggers the question how do you know the last guy who fucked you isn't bi.
Well the ladies I’ve seen on here are beautiful so I’m not sure who you’re looking at.
I’m not bothered if the last guy I fucked was bi or not.
So what's your beef then."Haha where did I say I had beef? Because I said that science says there’s more risk? That’s beef is it? Haha ok then | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy. Also not true. It in no way says that 100% of men who sleep with men without protection will catch an sti. It says that the risk is higher, but it’s nit a definite. How can it be? If two virgin makes only ever fuck each other, they would never catch anything would they?" Statistically. I put that word word in for a reason. I am swinger. I don't have sex with virgins. I am bi. Many of my sexual partners have been bi men who are supposedly riddled with STDs. Are you suggesting that I have escaped catching anything because of a numerically miraculous coincidence, or will you concede that the fact that I use protection has made yhe difference? | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy. Also not true. It in no way says that 100% of men who sleep with men without protection will catch an sti. It says that the risk is higher, but it’s nit a definite. How can it be? If two virgin makes only ever fuck each other, they would never catch anything would they? Statistically. I put that word word in for a reason. I am swinger. I don't have sex with virgins. I am bi. Many of my sexual partners have been bi men who are supposedly riddled with STDs. Are you suggesting that I have escaped catching anything because of a numerically miraculous coincidence, or will you concede that the fact that I use protection has made yhe difference?" There is zero point in me debating this with you any further. There is evidence out there, read it or don’t. Believe it or don’t. I take the risks that I deem acceptable, as do you. That’s it. | |||
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"I was taken aback at finding women whose preference/requirement was straight only, no bi men. This made zero sense to me. A man’s bi-sexuality does not detract from his attraction to women. Said man is equally attracted to women as his straight friend. If a woman meets such a man alone, he is for all intents and purposes straight in that scenario, and it has no bearing on his role, performance, or commitment. I’m all for people liking what they like (who am I to judge), but because I struggle to understand this position, it felt like there’s something more at play. So, my initial thought was that this preference must either be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. But given that I’ve met quite a few women like this, I have to take pause. What’s your view?" Going back to the OP. Do you think you’d encounter less women who were anti-bi if you changed your profile from straight to bisexual? I appreciated you’d eliminate some of your options but at least people contacting you will be the ones who have searched for bi men. I know it’s in your blurb but let’s face it, most people can’t be arsed to read! Lou x | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy. Also not true. It in no way says that 100% of men who sleep with men without protection will catch an sti. It says that the risk is higher, but it’s nit a definite. How can it be? If two virgin makes only ever fuck each other, they would never catch anything would they? Statistically. I put that word word in for a reason. I am swinger. I don't have sex with virgins. I am bi. Many of my sexual partners have been bi men who are supposedly riddled with STDs. Are you suggesting that I have escaped catching anything because of a numerically miraculous coincidence, or will you concede that the fact that I use protection has made yhe difference?" There’s risk attached to anything you do in life - you have taken steps to mitigate that risk to the point where it’s hardly a risk any longer. I get it even if others seemingly don’t... | |||
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"I was taken aback at finding women whose preference/requirement was straight only, no bi men. This made zero sense to me. A man’s bi-sexuality does not detract from his attraction to women. Said man is equally attracted to women as his straight friend. If a woman meets such a man alone, he is for all intents and purposes straight in that scenario, and it has no bearing on his role, performance, or commitment. I’m all for people liking what they like (who am I to judge), but because I struggle to understand this position, it felt like there’s something more at play. So, my initial thought was that this preference must either be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. But given that I’ve met quite a few women like this, I have to take pause. What’s your view? Going back to the OP. Do you think you’d encounter less women who were anti-bi if you changed your profile from straight to bisexual? I appreciated you’d eliminate some of your options but at least people contacting you will be the ones who have searched for bi men. I know it’s in your blurb but let’s face it, most people can’t be arsed to read! Lou x " The problem was that I was getting a lot of banal messages from men who rarely read my profile. I recently changed it to straight simply to balance it to be more towards my actual preference. I talk about by bisexuality in my profile text where I state that I generally prefer women, but also enjoy men. I encountered these women when my profile still said bi. Also, it’s not like there are hundreds, I just came apron a few and found it surprising. | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman. It was only a ‘perhaps’ scenario so stand down . Let’s ask someone who is bothered.."Not all bi men have anal sex..some are just orally bi...no anal involved. For example. .Stephen fry..admitted to never having or giving anal sex ..yet a gay man. ? Im just saying...lol | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman. It was only a ‘perhaps’ scenario so stand down . Let’s ask someone who is bothered..
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Yes, I think about men’s arseholes when I’m fucking a woman. It was only a ‘perhaps’ scenario so stand down . Let’s ask someone who is bothered..
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy. Also not true. It in no way says that 100% of men who sleep with men without protection will catch an sti. It says that the risk is higher, but it’s nit a definite. How can it be? If two virgin makes only ever fuck each other, they would never catch anything would they? Statistically. I put that word word in for a reason. I am swinger. I don't have sex with virgins. I am bi. Many of my sexual partners have been bi men who are supposedly riddled with STDs. Are you suggesting that I have escaped catching anything because of a numerically miraculous coincidence, or will you concede that the fact that I use protection has made yhe difference? There is zero point in me debating this with you any further. There is evidence out there, read it or don’t. Believe it or don’t. I take the risks that I deem acceptable, as do you. That’s it." You call it evidence. I called it propaganda. I have questioned a GUM nurse on the NHS data collection method and it is critically flawed. Let's assume that you need a blood transfusion to save your life.... One is from a bisexual man who has never had an STD, always uses protection and gets tested every month. The other is a woman who has unprotected gang bangs twice a week with over 50 men every time and never gets tested. She is also scientifically a lower risk (because there is no NHS checkbox for her). | |||
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"It is illogical if you try and look at it logically OP but then so are most rules of attraction, they just are what they are. I'm openly and unashamedly bisexual, and honestly am not bothered by people saying they won't meet me because of that unless they express it in a bigoted way - basically I don't see it as any different to people not wanting to meet me because I'm 54, or have grey hair, or am not a gym fit bunny, or any other number of reasons they might not be attracted to me. What I will say is in my experience here, the number of people that state they won't meet bi men is actually a lot less than it's often perceived to be - the overwhelming majority either actively seek bi men, or aren't bothered either way. By coincidence there's a thread over in The Lounge, posted by a woman, asking for bi men to show themselves as she's looking for them." Agree with you mate, think women appreciate honesty more than anything. I am totally honest on my profile and still had few messages/ winks off women and MF couples. | |||
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"If you ever look at fabguys, and the amount of bi-bareback pics, then you can see why many think bi guys are promiscuous and unsafe when girls aren't around..... Totally understandable. Puts me off and I'm happily bi lol Just hope everyone realises how many "straight" guys on here are on fabguys as well - so rejecting "bi guys" isn't the most accurate measure...." As I mentioned on this thread earlier there is a TV/ CD profile on here with loads of verifications and loads of different bareback cocks in him. Many of them must be bi or desperate straight men. All women have to do is look at verifications on the TV profiles and you will soon see... | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Swingers are also a high risk category, actually its exactly the same risk category as bisexual men... Do you have the links to the peer reviewed research by the way? Yep, get yourself on punned, there’s tonnes! Too many to spam this with. Yes, multiple partnered people are also high risk, even higher risk if it includes ‘an whi sleep with men, people from high rush countries or sex workers. You cant argue with the science, yet sadly, people still do. Oh well. That’s PubMed. Excuse the auto correct. I'm interested to see what the basis and the dates of the studies are. Historical studies are about as much use in this discussion as breasts on fish, as are ones looking at specific data regarding unprotected gay sex vs heterosexual sex. I'm a bisexual man who in 5 years of swinging has never picked up an STD. I would say that the practice of safe sex is more important than sexual orientation. That’s about as valid an argument as “well I’ve smoked for years and I haven’t got cancer”. The risk still stands. As I said, it’s your choice what risks you take, what’s dangerous is when people deny that there is a risk. No it's not. Statistically if I hadn't used protection I would have picked something up. It's like saying I've smoked a million cigarettes but never inhaled and because of that I'm still healthy. Also not true. It in no way says that 100% of men who sleep with men without protection will catch an sti. It says that the risk is higher, but it’s nit a definite. How can it be? If two virgin makes only ever fuck each other, they would never catch anything would they? Statistically. I put that word word in for a reason. I am swinger. I don't have sex with virgins. I am bi. Many of my sexual partners have been bi men who are supposedly riddled with STDs. Are you suggesting that I have escaped catching anything because of a numerically miraculous coincidence, or will you concede that the fact that I use protection has made yhe difference? There’s risk attached to anything you do in life - you have taken steps to mitigate that risk to the point where it’s hardly a risk any longer. I get it even if others seemingly don’t..." | |||
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"We usually avoid bi men as we give blood and it states: Sexual history If you’re gay and have recently had anal or oral sex with another man you’ll need to wait 12 months before giving blood. Any female who discovers her male partner has slept with another man won’t be allowed to give blood for 12 months either. So i tend to avoid the situation as best we can. However if stuff happens we just take a break from giving blood, we get regular checks anyway so we’re not worried, but feel giving blood is more important than getting our rocks off. Mrs x There it is. A good counter argument. I haven’t thought of that." It would be a good counter argument if correct which its not. The rules changed in nov 2017 to 3 months. So someone clearly doesnt donate that offen | |||
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"Thanks for all the comments and insights. Have learned a few things. Much appreciated. I’m going to bow out for now. Keep it friendly. I didn’t raise a controversial topic for drama—not that things are too heated here—but genuinely to hear people’s views to gain some insight. Keep it friendly." Unfortunately at subject regarding bi sexual men is always going to cause drama. | |||
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"Thanks for all the comments and insights. Have learned a few things. Much appreciated. I’m going to bow out for now. Keep it friendly. I didn’t raise a controversial topic for drama—not that things are too heated here—but genuinely to hear people’s views to gain some insight. Keep it friendly. Unfortunately at subject regarding bi sexual men is always going to cause drama. " Indeed, I think another thing I’ve learned here is that I should perhaps keep away from more serious topics. | |||
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"Thanks for all the comments and insights. Have learned a few things. Much appreciated. I’m going to bow out for now. Keep it friendly. I didn’t raise a controversial topic for drama—not that things are too heated here—but genuinely to hear people’s views to gain some insight. Keep it friendly. Unfortunately at subject regarding bi sexual men is always going to cause drama. Indeed, I think another thing I’ve learned here is that I should perhaps keep away from more serious topics. " I thought that's what forums are for. Unfortunately some people don't have the emotional maturity to accept someone having an opposing an opposing point of view. But the problem is the people not the subject matter. | |||
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"Thanks for all the comments and insights. Have learned a few things. Much appreciated. I’m going to bow out for now. Keep it friendly. I didn’t raise a controversial topic for drama—not that things are too heated here—but genuinely to hear people’s views to gain some insight. Keep it friendly. Unfortunately at subject regarding bi sexual men is always going to cause drama. Indeed, I think another thing I’ve learned here is that I should perhaps keep away from more serious topics. I thought that's what forums are for. Unfortunately some people don't have the emotional maturity to accept someone having an opposing an opposing point of view. But the problem is the people not the subject matter." Haha me ,no comment. I just dont air my view and dramas all over fab. Im all for a good debate with people armed with the correct info. If im not into something id politely say when that person contacted me . I wouldn't say what i do and dont like on my fab page. | |||
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" There it is. A good counter argument. I haven’t thought of that. It would be a good counter argument if correct which its not. The rules changed in nov 2017 to 3 months. So someone clearly doesnt donate that offen" haven’t given blood since May 18, before then I had only had sex with my own partner for two years, my memory was that I had to leave it 12 months hence thinking I had to leave it 12 months. I hadn’t given it a thought till tonight l, the thing I quoted was from a well-being website last updated June 18 so I assumed (stupidly) my memory was correct. I stand corrected but happy that the next visit I make it will be 30 donations | |||
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"If you ever look at fabguys, and the amount of bi-bareback pics, then you can see why many think bi guys are promiscuous and unsafe when girls aren't around..... Totally understandable. Puts me off and I'm happily bi lol Just hope everyone realises how many "straight" guys on here are on fabguys as well - so rejecting "bi guys" isn't the most accurate measure.... As I mentioned on this thread earlier there is a TV/ CD profile on here with loads of verifications and loads of different bareback cocks in him. Many of them must be bi or desperate straight men. All women have to do is look at verifications on the TV profiles and you will soon see... " That is very disrespectful of some CDs and TVs. | |||
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" There it is. A good counter argument. I haven’t thought of that. It would be a good counter argument if correct which its not. The rules changed in nov 2017 to 3 months. So someone clearly doesnt donate that offen haven’t given blood since May 18, before then I had only had sex with my own partner for two years, my memory was that I had to leave it 12 months hence thinking I had to leave it 12 months. I hadn’t given it a thought till tonight l, the thing I quoted was from a well-being website last updated June 18 so I assumed (stupidly) my memory was correct. I stand corrected but happy that the next visit I make it will be 30 donations " Good to hear.giving blood is very important . Live can get in the way a bit cant it | |||
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" There it is. A good counter argument. I haven’t thought of that. It would be a good counter argument if correct which its not. The rules changed in nov 2017 to 3 months. So someone clearly doesnt donate that offen haven’t given blood since May 18, before then I had only had sex with my own partner for two years, my memory was that I had to leave it 12 months hence thinking I had to leave it 12 months. I hadn’t given it a thought till tonight l, the thing I quoted was from a well-being website last updated June 18 so I assumed (stupidly) my memory was correct. I stand corrected but happy that the next visit I make it will be 30 donations Good to hear.giving blood is very important . Live can get in the way a bit cant it" It can. Tends to always get in the way of a good shag or doing good! | |||
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" There it is. A good counter argument. I haven’t thought of that. It would be a good counter argument if correct which its not. The rules changed in nov 2017 to 3 months. So someone clearly doesnt donate that offen haven’t given blood since May 18, before then I had only had sex with my own partner for two years, my memory was that I had to leave it 12 months hence thinking I had to leave it 12 months. I hadn’t given it a thought till tonight l, the thing I quoted was from a well-being website last updated June 18 so I assumed (stupidly) my memory was correct. I stand corrected but happy that the next visit I make it will be 30 donations Good to hear.giving blood is very important . Live can get in the way a bit cant it It can. Tends to always get in the way of a good shag or doing good! " Amen to that | |||
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"If you ever look at fabguys, and the amount of bi-bareback pics, then you can see why many think bi guys are promiscuous and unsafe when girls aren't around..... Totally understandable. Puts me off and I'm happily bi lol Just hope everyone realises how many "straight" guys on here are on fabguys as well - so rejecting "bi guys" isn't the most accurate measure.... As I mentioned on this thread earlier there is a TV/ CD profile on here with loads of verifications and loads of different bareback cocks in him. Many of them must be bi or desperate straight men. All women have to do is look at verifications on the TV profiles and you will soon see... That is very disrespectful of some CDs and TVs." How is it disrespectful? | |||
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"So closing thoughts from me. To clarify, I didn’t particularly take issue with women who expressed this preference. I was not and still don’t bemoaning it. I just found it a curiosity, and as it was something I didn’t quite understand, I thought that may be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. My view is shiftimg from a loosely-held suspicion of prejudice to the view that it’s probably just a natural preference like any other (over which there’s little control), e.g. preferring black partners, but it could also be simply choice (over which there is control) based on reasons—warranted or not—e.g. the increased risk of STIs. To each his own, as long as no harm is done. Or don’t be dick or somesuch." I asked what if it *is* rooted in prejudice or homophobia. I wasn't trying to be an arse, it was a genuine question. Fact is, for some people it will be that reason. Good thread. | |||
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"If you ever look at fabguys, and the amount of bi-bareback pics, then you can see why many think bi guys are promiscuous and unsafe when girls aren't around..... Totally understandable. Puts me off and I'm happily bi lol Just hope everyone realises how many "straight" guys on here are on fabguys as well - so rejecting "bi guys" isn't the most accurate measure.... As I mentioned on this thread earlier there is a TV/ CD profile on here with loads of verifications and loads of different bareback cocks in him. Many of them must be bi or desperate straight men. All women have to do is look at verifications on the TV profiles and you will soon see... That is very disrespectful of some CDs and TVs. How is it disrespectful?" Yeah I don't get it either. Why would saying a guy would have to be desperate to fuck a CD/TS disrespectful? Oh wait now I get it... | |||
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"On the topic of diseases.. it's not just bi men. I had a lesbian friend say she doesn't date bi women becuase we have diseases oh and apparently we are greedy. I don't generally date men but if I did.. they'd be bi men. " Loads of greedy people here right enough | |||
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"On the topic of diseases.. it's not just bi men. I had a lesbian friend say she doesn't date bi women becuase we have diseases oh and apparently we are greedy. I don't generally date men but if I did.. they'd be bi men. " From my experience I generally get messages from straight guys who wish for something ‘different’ Declan has made a very good point | |||
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"So closing thoughts from me. To clarify, I didn’t particularly take issue with women who expressed this preference. I was not and still don’t bemoaning it. I just found it a curiosity, and as it was something I didn’t quite understand, I thought that may be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. My view is shiftimg from a loosely-held suspicion of prejudice to the view that it’s probably just a natural preference like any other (over which there’s little control), e.g. preferring black partners, but it could also be simply choice (over which there is control) based on reasons—warranted or not—e.g. the increased risk of STIs. To each his own, as long as no harm is done. Or don’t be dick or somesuch. I asked what if it *is* rooted in prejudice or homophobia. I wasn't trying to be an arse, it was a genuine question. Fact is, for some people it will be that reason. Good thread. "Well, I may call them on it in an effort to educate for all the good it’ll do. But I’d probably just ignore and avoid said person. Depends. It’s a good question. Yeah, lively discussion. | |||
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"If you ever look at fabguys, and the amount of bi-bareback pics, then you can see why many think bi guys are promiscuous and unsafe when girls aren't around..... Totally understandable. Puts me off and I'm happily bi lol Just hope everyone realises how many "straight" guys on here are on fabguys as well - so rejecting "bi guys" isn't the most accurate measure.... As I mentioned on this thread earlier there is a TV/ CD profile on here with loads of verifications and loads of different bareback cocks in him. Many of them must be bi or desperate straight men. All women have to do is look at verifications on the TV profiles and you will soon see... That is very disrespectful of some CDs and TVs. How is it disrespectful? Yeah I don't get it either. Why would saying a guy would have to be desperate to fuck a CD/TS disrespectful? Oh wait now I get it..." The word desperate didn't really register. I see it as irrelevant because if they want to fuck a tv or cd then they're not straight. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that." Your also more at risk as an active swinger than those who are not sleeping with multiple people. Blood donation rules are a bit archaic. All blood should be tested before being used. You see plenty to women and men in here looking for bareback. | |||
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"We have happily played with bi guys as long as they have been happy to play straight with us: we are both turned off by guy on guy sex. What has spoiled it is when a few (a very few) bi guys have tried it on with my partner, and that has put a total stop to playing. In that respect it almost makes it almost easier to avoid bi guys - it saves the discussions before hand and the disappointment when people don't stick to their agreements. " Good point. It sucks when people are not respectful. I guess though with a threesome, some rules are always discussed. At least, I think it’s wise, even is both guys are straight. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Your also more at risk as an active swinger than those who are not sleeping with multiple people. Blood donation rules are a bit archaic. All blood should be tested before being used. You see plenty to women and men in here looking for bareback. " . I’m sure they do test anyway. We have bareback photos on ours but that’s each-other. Protection with anyone else. We also get tested regular when we’re actively playing. | |||
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"Ah good discussion my balls, you’ve basically came to the same conclusion that you should’ve figured out yourself before you asked the question and came out with the prejudice and ignorance crap which actually turned out to be irony... people have preferences and all should be accepted.. just follow the pride example "Why is prejudice and ignorance 'crap'? That is true in some cases. What is the pride example? | |||
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"Ah good discussion my balls, you’ve basically came to the same conclusion that you should’ve figured out yourself before you asked the question and came out with the prejudice and ignorance crap which actually turned out to be irony... people have preferences and all should be accepted.. just follow the pride example "Respectfully, you’re wrong, and unkind. | |||
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"You are at higher risk of catching an sti if you sleep with men who sleep with men - that’s just fact. Fact that is based on many peer reviewed scientifically sound research. I don’t see how that can be debated? I’m not saying you aren’t without risk sleeping with anyone without protection but thems the facts, like it or not. That being said, each to their own. Everyone has a right to a preference and that’s that. Your also more at risk as an active swinger than those who are not sleeping with multiple people. Blood donation rules are a bit archaic. All blood should be tested before being used. You see plenty to women and men in here looking for bareback. " All blood *is* tested before it is used but as blood borne STIs and other diseases can take up to 3 months to show that is the reason for the 3 month rule the blood clinics currently have. And even then they're reliant on people being truthful (which is another reason). | |||
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"Ah good discussion my balls, you’ve basically came to the same conclusion that you should’ve figured out yourself before you asked the question and came out with the prejudice and ignorance crap which actually turned out to be irony... people have preferences and all should be accepted.. just follow the pride example
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"... You call it evidence. I called it propaganda. I have questioned a GUM nurse on the NHS data collection method and it is critically flawed. Let's assume that you need a blood transfusion to save your life.... One is from a bisexual man who has never had an STD, always uses protection and gets tested every month. The other is a woman who has unprotected gang bangs twice a week with over 50 men every time and never gets tested. She is also scientifically a lower risk (because there is no NHS checkbox for her). " You are making the common mistake of taking one specific example (where the bi male is a lower risk), coming to a conclusion, and then applying that conclusion subconsciously to skew the rest of the data set (in this example by thinking it is a more common example than it is). You are missing a true measure of that being a common example or not. Also the stats do not say she is a lower risk than him what they say is out of say 10000 women and 10000 bi men the women are a lower risk group. It is a subtle but important difference. | |||
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"... You call it evidence. I called it propaganda. I have questioned a GUM nurse on the NHS data collection method and it is critically flawed. Let's assume that you need a blood transfusion to save your life.... One is from a bisexual man who has never had an STD, always uses protection and gets tested every month. The other is a woman who has unprotected gang bangs twice a week with over 50 men every time and never gets tested. She is also scientifically a lower risk (because there is no NHS checkbox for her). You are making the common mistake of taking one specific example (where the bi male is a lower risk), coming to a conclusion, and then applying that conclusion subconsciously to skew the rest of the data set (in this example by thinking it is a more common example than it is). You are missing a true measure of that being a common example or not. Also the stats do not say she is a lower risk than him what they say is out of say 10000 women and 10000 bi men the women are a lower risk group. It is a subtle but important difference." | |||
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"Lots of people say they won't meet a person if they don't like someone they fucked before. It's just the same thing. Okay, but people here aren’t asking for virgins (at least I haven’t seen that preference). So the position seems to be that these women are okay with the man having slept with a women before, but they’re not okay if it had been another man. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest but perhaps some ladies envisage a man who’s salivating over anal sex only? Only thing I can think of... Because straight men NEVER do anal. Oh wait they do. But girls bottoms are made of sugar and spice and mens bottoms are made of puppy dogs tails. "I never do anal. I don't like the idea of putting my cock up any arse, male or female. | |||
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"I was taken aback at finding women whose preference/requirement was straight only, no bi men. This made zero sense to me. A man’s bi-sexuality does not detract from his attraction to women. Said man is equally attracted to women as his straight friend. If a woman meets such a man alone, he is for all intents and purposes straight in that scenario, and it has no bearing on his role, performance, or commitment. I’m all for people liking what they like (who am I to judge), but because I struggle to understand this position, it felt like there’s something more at play. So, my initial thought was that this preference must either be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. But given that I’ve met quite a few women like this, I have to take pause. What’s your view?" Freedom of choice end of. If you chose to suck cock and lick pussy then that’s great but that’s your choice. | |||
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"I don't feel that I need an explanation I don't feel like I need to educate either I gave up trying to work people out years ago, it's exhausting" not quite true is it as 1. you laid into me for my BI stance 2.Not truth as only on Sunday was working out my pretence. so yet again another short with truth man. Main reason women dnt like BI. where cocks been as not admitting BI | |||
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"You’ve pretty much disagreed with most opinions and reasons here, if you call them out with ignorance well, you know the rest.. We all get the ‘sorry, you’re not for me’ more often than not here, I don’t even question it, I reply with a ‘thanks for letting me know, and take care’ reply... it’s not prejudice, it’s not bias, it’s not racism, it’s not homophobic.. it’s people choices, something that people are starting to have to explain way to much in the world now... "Sad that people seem to think they are owed an explanation, in the long run it won't change the outcome. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. " Yes, I think that's the hypocrisy of this as you often see women who class themselves as bisexual and yet in their profiles they will clearly state no bi curious/bisexual men | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Yes, I think that's the hypocrisy of this as you often see women who class themselves as bisexual and yet in their profiles they will clearly state no bi curious/bisexual men" So what people can chose what ever they want. Get over it. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Yes, I think that's the hypocrisy of this as you often see women who class themselves as bisexual and yet in their profiles they will clearly state no bi curious/bisexual men" How on earth is it hypocritical? | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Yes, I think that's the hypocrisy of this as you often see women who class themselves as bisexual and yet in their profiles they will clearly state no bi curious/bisexual men" That’s not hypocrisy, that’s sexual preference. | |||
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"I will "never" understand why it seems more socially acceptable for women to be bi/lesbian. " I do. Welcome to sexism and mysoginy doing it's best to fuck over everyone. Men make it acceptable for women to be bi as they find it sexually arousing. Men also make it unacceptable for other men to be bi, (and gay, there are still battles to be won with people's acceptance of homosexually) The view that being bisexual makes you less of a man, more feminine or somehow a 2nd class citizen is thanks to years of patriarchal conditioning. | |||
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"It baffles me, particularly given the same women and couples actively seek bi women. Yes, I think that's the hypocrisy of this as you often see women who class themselves as bisexual and yet in their profiles they will clearly state no bi curious/bisexual men" Why hypocritical? Because they're bisexual? On the surface it may seem a little odd but that's just because of the word, they're bi, so therefore they should identify with and accept other bi people? No. That's like saying anyone who's straight should want to meet anyone else who's straight or I'm British, so therefore then I want to meet anyone else who's British. | |||
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"You’ve pretty much disagreed with most opinions and reasons here, if you call them out with ignorance well, you know the rest.. We all get the ‘sorry, you’re not for me’ more often than not here, I don’t even question it, I reply with a ‘thanks for letting me know, and take care’ reply... it’s not prejudice, it’s not bias, it’s not racism, it’s not homophobic.. it’s people choices, something that people are starting to have to explain way to much in the world now...
Sad that people seem to think they are owed an explanation, in the long run it won't change the outcome."I agree with you, political correctness needs to stay out of the bedroom, something as intimate as sex and love people should have freedom of choice without any pressure. I get called nazi and racist for being attracted to other white people only sexually even though I am not rude about it, have received a fair amount of abuse and threats on gay/ bi apps and sites for it. A sign political correctness has gone too far and militant now | |||
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"I have gay/ bi friends. I'll go to gay pubs clubs and absolutely love the evenings..come round for takeaway and film nights etc I love to see gay/bi couple's/singles kissing and cuddling and holding hands in the street and having an amazing time.. but sexually for me Its a huge turn off. I don't want to have sex with a bi guy but that doesn't mean I'm against them. It just means it's not what I'm into. Do what makes you happy. Some people will judge regardless of what you do. But not everybody is judging. Some people do just have a preference. " I am absolutely not disagreeing with your right to that preference or saying it is wrong in any way at all (as I said further up, as an openly bisexual man I accept that people might not want to meet me because of my sexuality just as they might not want to meet me for any number of other reasons) and I also accept that you might not find bisexual or gay activities a turn on... ....but to take the OPs point, if we're talking about a one-on-one MF encounter, where the activities would be purely heterosexual, how does someone's sexuality and activities either before or after enter into it and work to preclude you from meeting them? Like I said I absolutely defend your right to have whatever preference you like when selecting sexual partners but am just interested and curious as to the answer when it comes to the OPs original point. | |||
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"I will "never" understand why it seems more socially acceptable for women to be bi/lesbian. I do. Welcome to sexism and mysoginy doing it's best to fuck over everyone. Men make it acceptable for women to be bi as they find it sexually arousing. Men also make it unacceptable for other men to be bi, (and gay, there are still battles to be won with people's acceptance of homosexually) The view that being bisexual makes you less of a man, more feminine or somehow a 2nd class citizen is thanks to years of patriarchal conditioning." | |||
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"So closing thoughts from me. To clarify, I didn’t particularly take issue with women who expressed this preference. I was not and still don’t bemoaning it. I just found it a curiosity, and as it was something I didn’t quite understand, I thought that may be rooted in prejudice or ignorance. My view is shiftimg from a loosely-held suspicion of prejudice to the view that it’s probably just a natural preference like any other (over which there’s little control), e.g. preferring black partners, but it could also be simply choice (over which there is control) based on reasons—warranted or not—e.g. the increased risk of STIs. To each his own, as long as no harm is done. Or don’t be dick or somesuch." Quoted for reference ^^ I may add that I didn’t and don’t feel I’m owed or entitled to answers (I seen a few comments regarding this point). My asking for people’s optinion in a forum was for general, honest inquiry. I’ve not asked any woman directly to explain their position or try to persuade them to reconsider your preference. Nor would I do that to any person on any matter unless I believe that the person’s belief (which informs actions) will be harmful. | |||
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"I have gay/ bi friends. I'll go to gay pubs clubs and absolutely love the evenings..come round for takeaway and film nights etc I love to see gay/bi couple's/singles kissing and cuddling and holding hands in the street and having an amazing time.. but sexually for me Its a huge turn off. I don't want to have sex with a bi guy but that doesn't mean I'm against them. It just means it's not what I'm into. Do what makes you happy. Some people will judge regardless of what you do. But not everybody is judging. Some people do just have a preference. I am absolutely not disagreeing with your right to that preference or saying it is wrong in any way at all (as I said further up, as an openly bisexual man I accept that people might not want to meet me because of my sexuality just as they might not want to meet me for any number of other reasons) and I also accept that you might not find bisexual or gay activities a turn on... ....but to take the OPs point, if we're talking about a one-on-one MF encounter, where the activities would be purely heterosexual, how does someone's sexuality and activities either before or after enter into it and work to preclude you from meeting them? Like I said I absolutely defend your right to have whatever preference you like when selecting sexual partners but am just interested and curious as to the answer when it comes to the OPs original point." It's early so my brains not working so forgive me if I sound a bit ditsy. In truth the only answer I can give you is from a real life encounter. I found out very late on my last marriage that my ex husband was bi. We are talking 12 years into my marriage. The thought of him wanting sex with a man made my stomach turn. And I'm sorry if that does offend anyone as I really don't mean to but that's how it made me feel. I supported him for another 3 years but it just wasn't something I could cope with. I am a true believer in you love who you want to love and you sleep with who ever you want to. I don't usually post in contraversial threads.. but I just wanted to put my point accross that not everyone who looks for straight guys is anti gay.. some of us just have a preference. I have 2 daughters. 1 is bi and the other is gay and I have no problems what's so ever with their sexuality. In fact I can't wait till my youngest is old enough so I can take them both To canal Street. Does that make sense or am I talking twoddle? Lol | |||
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"I have gay/ bi friends. I'll go to gay pubs clubs and absolutely love the evenings..come round for takeaway and film nights etc I love to see gay/bi couple's/singles kissing and cuddling and holding hands in the street and having an amazing time.. but sexually for me Its a huge turn off. I don't want to have sex with a bi guy but that doesn't mean I'm against them. It just means it's not what I'm into. Do what makes you happy. Some people will judge regardless of what you do. But not everybody is judging. Some people do just have a preference. I am absolutely not disagreeing with your right to that preference or saying it is wrong in any way at all (as I said further up, as an openly bisexual man I accept that people might not want to meet me because of my sexuality just as they might not want to meet me for any number of other reasons) and I also accept that you might not find bisexual or gay activities a turn on... ....but to take the OPs point, if we're talking about a one-on-one MF encounter, where the activities would be purely heterosexual, how does someone's sexuality and activities either before or after enter into it and work to preclude you from meeting them? Like I said I absolutely defend your right to have whatever preference you like when selecting sexual partners but am just interested and curious as to the answer when it comes to the OPs original point. It's early so my brains not working so forgive me if I sound a bit ditsy. In truth the only answer I can give you is from a real life encounter. I found out very late on my last marriage that my ex husband was bi. We are talking 12 years into my marriage. The thought of him wanting sex with a man made my stomach turn. And I'm sorry if that does offend anyone as I really don't mean to but that's how it made me feel. I supported him for another 3 years but it just wasn't something I could cope with. I am a true believer in you love who you want to love and you sleep with who ever you want to. I don't usually post in contraversial threads.. but I just wanted to put my point accross that not everyone who looks for straight guys is anti gay.. some of us just have a preference. I have 2 daughters. 1 is bi and the other is gay and I have no problems what's so ever with their sexuality. In fact I can't wait till my youngest is old enough so I can take them both To canal Street. Does that make sense or am I talking twoddle? Lol" I could only hope to articulate myself so well in the morning.. Thanks for sharing. May I ask if it’s gay sex in general that makes your stomach feel uneasy or do you think it was tied to your husband specifically? | |||
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"I have gay/ bi friends. I'll go to gay pubs clubs and absolutely love the evenings..come round for takeaway and film nights etc I love to see gay/bi couple's/singles kissing and cuddling and holding hands in the street and having an amazing time.. but sexually for me Its a huge turn off. I don't want to have sex with a bi guy but that doesn't mean I'm against them. It just means it's not what I'm into. Do what makes you happy. Some people will judge regardless of what you do. But not everybody is judging. Some people do just have a preference. I am absolutely not disagreeing with your right to that preference or saying it is wrong in any way at all (as I said further up, as an openly bisexual man I accept that people might not want to meet me because of my sexuality just as they might not want to meet me for any number of other reasons) and I also accept that you might not find bisexual or gay activities a turn on... ....but to take the OPs point, if we're talking about a one-on-one MF encounter, where the activities would be purely heterosexual, how does someone's sexuality and activities either before or after enter into it and work to preclude you from meeting them? Like I said I absolutely defend your right to have whatever preference you like when selecting sexual partners but am just interested and curious as to the answer when it comes to the OPs original point. It's early so my brains not working so forgive me if I sound a bit ditsy. In truth the only answer I can give you is from a real life encounter. I found out very late on my last marriage that my ex husband was bi. We are talking 12 years into my marriage. The thought of him wanting sex with a man made my stomach turn. And I'm sorry if that does offend anyone as I really don't mean to but that's how it made me feel. I supported him for another 3 years but it just wasn't something I could cope with. I am a true believer in you love who you want to love and you sleep with who ever you want to. I don't usually post in contraversial threads.. but I just wanted to put my point accross that not everyone who looks for straight guys is anti gay.. some of us just have a preference. I have 2 daughters. 1 is bi and the other is gay and I have no problems what's so ever with their sexuality. In fact I can't wait till my youngest is old enough so I can take them both To canal Street. Does that make sense or am I talking twoddle? Lol I could only hope to articulate myself so well in the morning.. Thanks for sharing. May I ask if it’s gay sex in general that makes your stomach feel uneasy or do you think it was tied to your husband specifically?" Yeah it's gay sex in general. I have tried to combat it. I have watched women together and it doesn't do anything for me although I have had relationships with women!(figure that out for me please) and males just makes me feel that way. | |||
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" Yeah it's gay sex in general. I have tried to combat it. I have watched women together and it doesn't do anything for me although I have had relationships with women!(figure that out for me please) and males just makes me feel that way. " I commend your for trying to combat it, but I don’t think it’s necessy. You clearly don’t judge their character in a negative way. So what if it turns your tummy. That said, if it was a deciding factor in your relationship breakdown, then it’s regrettable? | |||
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" Yeah it's gay sex in general. I have tried to combat it. I have watched women together and it doesn't do anything for me although I have had relationships with women!(figure that out for me please) and males just makes me feel that way. I commend your for trying to combat it, but I don’t think it’s necessy. You clearly don’t judge their character in a negative way. So what if it turns your tummy. That said, if it was a deciding factor in your relationship breakdown, then it’s regrettable?" It wasn't just that that ended my marriage. He wasnt a nice man in anyway shape or form. I managed to escape after many bad years. Thankfully I did. And no I don't judge negatively. Well not intentionally anyway. I accept people for who and what they are and just ask that my choices are also accepted. I do hope that some questions have been answered and I wish everyone on the thread a happy life with what ever your choices may be. If there is someone in the "closet" reading this.. please just come out. Don't hide. You have 1 life. Once it's done.. it's done. People will accept you.. not everyone.. but most will and learn to love yourself so they can love you too! Wow that's deep. I need more coffee. Much love to you all x | |||
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"... You call it evidence. I called it propaganda. I have questioned a GUM nurse on the NHS data collection method and it is critically flawed. Let's assume that you need a blood transfusion to save your life.... One is from a bisexual man who has never had an STD, always uses protection and gets tested every month. The other is a woman who has unprotected gang bangs twice a week with over 50 men every time and never gets tested. She is also scientifically a lower risk (because there is no NHS checkbox for her). You are making the common mistake of taking one specific example (where the bi male is a lower risk), coming to a conclusion, and then applying that conclusion subconsciously to skew the rest of the data set (in this example by thinking it is a more common example than it is). You are missing a true measure of that being a common example or not. Also the stats do not say she is a lower risk than him what they say is out of say 10000 women and 10000 bi men the women are a lower risk group. It is a subtle but important difference." Wrong on two counts. Bi men are #2 on their list the first is single females under 25. You have made the classic mistake of taking ALL women (many of whom will be in monogamous relationships) and comparing them a SPECIFIC cross section of the male population. If the NHS checkboxes were: Monogamous men Monogamous women Monogamous gay & bisexual men Monogamous gay & bisexual women Swingers Guess who would be at the top of the list. Having a checkbox for one demographic and not for another obviously prevents the excluded party from ever placing higher in STD incidence. It's like a police investigation with only one suspect. As a swinger I don't look at sexual orientation or number of meets. I look at whether they say 'safe sex'. My job involves data collection and analysis. If you do not collect all the data over a representative pool covering all the influences then you data is skewed. | |||
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