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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question |
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question"
Perfect response, some may help more, others may hurt more, it's not that simple. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question"
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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I guess it depends on what type of mental health issue they suffer from.
We all have mental health issues at some point in our lives whether we acknowledge them or get them diagnosed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
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So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person 
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
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Bi polar disorder isn't a barrier to swinging no. I know of a few people who are bipolar and do just fine.
Mental health issues are far more prevalent than most people assume or care to discuss (unfortunately) I have and do have mental health issues. It's not stopped me, nor will it do most others.
It's usually a case of the person managing their condition themselves.
I would say that a kind word and open chat will reap far more benefits than an open ended forum thread, I'm not criticising you for asking the question I hasten to add, just attempting to destigmatise a little. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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I have bipolar and yes I went into swinging!
It's reall helped my confidence so It's a good thing for me x |
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me. "
This. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I suffer from biological depression and i can say that swinging has helped more than hindered.
The boosts to confidence can be good, but then the rejection can also be hard to take. I am realistic about things so i accept that i am not most peoples ideal meet, so rejection has been easier to cope with.
But yes, anyone can swing, but maybe some people should take a long hard think before jumping in feet first.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
I have bipolar and yes I went into swinging!
It's reall helped my confidence so It's a good thing for me x"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me. "
Apologies mate, no agenda, I mean what agenda I could have any asking a question.
I may have put the question wrong.
Let's rephrase it
Does swinging help with issues with mental health?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me.
Apologies mate, no agenda, I mean what agenda I could have any asking a question.
I may have put the question wrong.
Let's rephrase it
Does swinging help with issues with mental health?
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It doesn’t *not* help. It’s never had any affect on my mental health, and I have a whole array of ‘issues’. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me.
Apologies mate, no agenda, I mean what agenda I could have any asking a question.
I may have put the question wrong.
Let's rephrase it
Does swinging help with issues with mental health?
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Can i ask do you think she shouldn't be swinging and is the reason because she is bi-polar?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me.
Apologies mate, no agenda, I mean what agenda I could have any asking a question.
I may have put the question wrong.
Let's rephrase it
Does swinging help with issues with mental health?
Can i ask do you think she shouldn't be swinging and is the reason because she is bi-polar?
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I don't judge ppl, that's not me.
I presented a scenario and seek discussion.
Nothing personal over here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me.
Apologies mate, no agenda, I mean what agenda I could have any asking a question.
I may have put the question wrong.
Let's rephrase it
Does swinging help with issues with mental health?
Can i ask do you think she shouldn't be swinging and is the reason because she is bi-polar?
I don't judge ppl, that's not me.
I presented a scenario and seek discussion.
Nothing personal over here "
Okay well personally I'm not bi-polar but I do have other issues. If someone started a thread about me, posted about my private life and tried to start a discussion about whether I should swing based on my mental health issues I'd be fucking mortified and it would have a massive and potentially immediate impact on my wellbeing.
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
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I'd be interested in you clarifying why you think someone with any form of mental health issue should tell a prospective playmate?
It's not an infectious disease you can catch, *if* I have mental health issues (and let's face it we all have periods where were are mentally stronger than others) and I feel like I want to play or playing would be good for my mood/mindset/health... What business is it of the other person(s). I don't ask why they swing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I suffer from biological depression and i can say that swinging has helped more than hindered.
The boosts to confidence can be good, but then the rejection can also be hard to take. I am realistic about things so i accept that i am not most peoples ideal meet, so rejection has been easier to cope with.
But yes, anyone can swing, but maybe some people should take a long hard think before jumping in feet first.
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Ditto! Each to their own comes to mind... the good thing about fab is if it gets too much, then you log out and carry on. But personally, it has been liberating, people from all walks of life, from all back grounds, have been through hell and back, yet we can all sit face to face in a club in our lingerie and chat as if we’ve known each other forever.
I personally think it’s been one of the most supportive communities with complete mutual respect and no judgement. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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Judging by a lot of the posts on here I'm going for a "No". For most though, these arn't diagnosed problems, just general paranoia and low self esteem. |
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"What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?
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Might not have anything to be petrified about if theyve murdered you and chopped you into little pieces |
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"I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
I'd be interested in you clarifying why you think someone with any form of mental health issue should tell a prospective playmate?
It's not an infectious disease you can catch, *if* I have mental health issues (and let's face it we all have periods where were are mentally stronger than others) and I feel like I want to play or playing would be good for my mood/mindset/health... What business is it of the other person(s). I don't ask why they swing. "
Well in simple terms a bipolar manic phase can be really scary if someone isn’t aware of it . In fact it can when you are aware of it too and I should know . Ive seen this first hand and it’s bloody nigh on impossible to calm someone down who’s on a bipolar manic phase .
Other mental illness may also be somewhat confusing for someone who doesn’t know about it so it makes sense to be aware in case anything comes up doesn’t it ?
I’m quite aware that mental illness isn’t something that’s infectious . But if someone isn’t in a fit state mentally to give consent , that in itself could cause issues couldn’t it ? |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
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My ex is bipolar. She would take extreme risks. She met a group of strangers and they all fucked her in a forest and left her there once. She would obsess over fucking specific people and would do absurd things including travelling stupid distances and neglecting her duties as a mother. These are just some examples she told me. Obviously this is only one specific case and i can't say for everyone. But they are vulnerable and can be exploited and their actions aren't in the same realm of control which we are used to. I don't really have an answer I'm afraid but thought it was worth highlighting this case. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?
Might not have anything to be petrified about if theyve murdered you and chopped you into little pieces"
Hello
Bipolar people do not have that much aggression to chop someone into pieces, they are not paranoid or illusional.
I am talking about mood swings.
Get that in the context |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post"
Choosing not to fuck someone who declares they have a mental health issue isn't discrimination |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post"
Fair enough but it's not about discrimination, you can say about preferences. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post
Choosing not to fuck someone who declares they have a mental health issue isn't discrimination "
This |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post
Choosing not to fuck someone who declares they have a mental health issue isn't discrimination "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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Depends on what their issues are. It certainly won't be good for many people, mostly men. For all the rejection. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is the op saying that others wouldnt like it or would swinging especially this site cause more harm to the person?
Rejection, being ignored etc could heighten the issues and cause a spiral.
Personally i have days where the scene makes me feel worse by rude people putting me down saying im ugly small, or just being cruel. Others its a big boost.
So like all of life its a double edge sword but could definitely do more harm.
Reality is if youre very good looking, perceived as sexy swinging would help a lot. If youre not it could cause irreparable damage. |
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By *az1Man
over a year ago
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post
Choosing not to fuck someone who declares they have a mental health issue isn't discrimination "
It’s not discrimination. We all have our preference and that should be respected regardless of whether it’s mental issues or looks etc |
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By *greygorCouple
over a year ago
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post
Choosing not to fuck someone who declares they have a mental health issue isn't discrimination
This "
my man says i am mental [though not diognosed ]just mental .does that count .and he just said every 4th week females on here of a certain age go mental any way .he in trouble or what ? |
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"Is the op saying that others wouldnt like it or would swinging especially this site cause more harm to the person?
Rejection, being ignored etc could heighten the issues and cause a spiral.
Personally i have days where the scene makes me feel worse by rude people putting me down saying im ugly small, or just being cruel. Others its a big boost.
So like all of life its a double edge sword but could definitely do more harm.
Reality is if youre very good looking, perceived as sexy swinging would help a lot. If youre not it could cause irreparable damage."
It's up to the person with the issues to manage their health. |
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"You can't discriminate against mental illness. Object to this type of post
Choosing not to fuck someone who declares they have a mental health issue isn't discrimination "
No it's a preference like any other preference. I must say I worry about the vulnerability of some on the scene with mental health issues. Those with bi-polar may present as the life and soul of the party and indulge in more risk taking behaviours. The perfect party animal/swinger. However are they being exploited or is it helping their condition? Would those playmates be interested in this person when they are in a depressive phase?
I have come across a lot of people with bi-polar on the scene (way more than in everyday life and I am aware of the stats thanks) so the question maybe is swinging a good outlet for people with mental health issues, particulary for those with bi-polar? |
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I suffer from depression. Bear in mind it is a catch all term, everyone's condition is different.
When the Black Dog is upon me, I don't want to take part in any activity. Be it work, running, socialising or even swinging!
When I'm up, I'm outgoing and sociable. Most people wouldn't suspect I have really dark times. I guess this is the case for fellow suffers, but I can't be sure. Outings and activites are planned depending on your mood and wouldn't flip half way through. Although like I say we're all different.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I suffer from depression. Bear in mind it is a catch all term, everyone's condition is different.
When the Black Dog is upon me, I don't want to take part in any activity. Be it work, running, socialising or even swinging!
When I'm up, I'm outgoing and sociable. Most people wouldn't suspect I have really dark times. I guess this is the case for fellow suffers, but I can't be sure. Outings and activites are planned depending on your mood and wouldn't flip half way through. Although like I say we're all different.
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Sounds like me.....fun or do not speak to me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date "
bi not big |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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Personally I think it's down to the individual and the condition. However I recently read an article that suggested this lifestyle to be self destructive in the same way drugs or alcohol are.
That did make some sense to me.
I think a bigger concern is whether adults with 'special needs' should come into swinging.
There are several of those on here and all seem to find it a very negative experience for them.
But that's a whole new thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I suffer from mental health problems which made my confidence hit rock bottom. Now I'm starting to find myself (and still have the occasional melt down, but doesn't everyone who suffers?) and my partner said he's noticed a massive change in me since doing this. But I keep it all separate and if you didn't know me personally like a few peiple don't that I've met off here you couldn't tell that I've struggled in the past.
I mentioned it once on a thread on here a while ago and everyone was basically telling me to fuck off the site cos it's not for me, well thank you for telling me what to do with my life  but I really don't see what having these issues has to do with something of this nature it's no one's business!!! And just because someone's suffering doesn't mean they shouldn't partake in doing this either. |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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Yes.
We'll make a call as to whether we want to meet based upon interactions, we may just pick up on the illness or not or even during play which we can stop at any time. If we like how the person's coming across then that's what we'll base our decisions upon, ie, their current state of mind as it appears to us. We wouldn't want to know their mental illness, they're here to swing like anyone else.
**Some vanillas think all of us swingers have a mental illness to do what we do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date "
seriously? you think that's funny? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
Personally I think it's down to the individual and the condition. However I recently read an article that suggested this lifestyle to be self destructive in the same way drugs or alcohol are.
That did make some sense to me.
I think a bigger concern is whether adults with 'special needs' should come into swinging.
There are several of those on here and all seem to find it a very negative experience for them.
But that's a whole new thread."
I think that's true to an extent for some people. You only have to look at the posts from people for whom the effects of being rejected seem to be damaging to their self esteem and sense of self worth.
I can also echo some concerns about people for whom the manic phase of bi polar, when extreme can lead to them being less boundaried than they would be otherwise, being disnihibited and making choices that put themselves at risk of exploitation. Then, when more themselves, the shame and fallout for their existing relationships is difficult to deal with leading to huge problems.
I'm not saying that people shouldn't but it's not quite as cut and dried as a simple yes or no |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
Personally I think it's down to the individual and the condition. However I recently read an article that suggested this lifestyle to be self destructive in the same way drugs or alcohol are.
That did make some sense to me.
I think a bigger concern is whether adults with 'special needs' should come into swinging.
There are several of those on here and all seem to find it a very negative experience for them.
But that's a whole new thread.
I think that's true to an extent for some people. You only have to look at the posts from people for whom the effects of being rejected seem to be damaging to their self esteem and sense of self worth.
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The admin on here do seem to monitor it to some degree I have noticed which is good.
However it's a reminder to us all to be kinder and more understanding when replying to them. |
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I think the question of mania is the same as whether inconsiderate, immature people who don't consider themselves responsible for their actions should be on the scene. Except the former is a(n often) manageable illness and the latter is a character flaw. |
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I'm bipolar and I have to say it's been great for me. Being bipolar usually entails having a high sex/impulse drive, so from that point of view it's given me an outlet to find playmates and partners with equally high drives whom I can safely explore kink with. I haven't ever experienced or inflicted any violence.
With mental health, there has to be some self-awareness and responsibility. I avoid triggers wherever possible, don't drink alcohol if I'm spiralling (either up or down), and if I'm feeling a manic episode coming on, I just remove myself from everyone until I work through it and level out again, rather than give it free rein and deal with the inevitable 'crash'. A manic high feels amazing, you're on top of the world and indestructible, but the higher you climb, the worse the crash will be afterwards. Medication is only effective to a degree (unless the dosage is really high and you're in full unfeeling zombie-mode), but an awareness of your illness and what affects it is the real key. Knowledge is power. |
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I have bipolar and consider it to be totally irrelevant to my interest in swinging. I don't believe my mental health is either inhibited or helped by swinging though of course when feeling down I'm not going to have any interest in playing. Compared to the people who message me I consider myself to be more mentally stable than a lot of others on this site anyway. I don't agree with others that it makes me vulnerable either. |
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"I have bipolar and consider it to be totally irrelevant to my interest in swinging. I don't believe my mental health is either inhibited or helped by swinging though of course when feeling down I'm not going to have any interest in playing. Compared to the people who message me I consider myself to be more mentally stable than a lot of others on this site anyway. I don't agree with others that it makes me vulnerable either."
I think treatment can make those with mental health issues more self aware, which can be a strength. |
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question"
This is the perfect answer in our opinion
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"I'm bipolar and I have to say it's been great for me. Being bipolar usually entails having a high sex/impulse drive, so from that point of view it's given me an outlet to find playmates and partners with equally high drives whom I can safely explore kink with. I haven't ever experienced or inflicted any violence.
With mental health, there has to be some self-awareness and responsibility. I avoid triggers wherever possible, don't drink alcohol if I'm spiralling (either up or down), and if I'm feeling a manic episode coming on, I just remove myself from everyone until I work through it and level out again, rather than give it free rein and deal with the inevitable 'crash'. A manic high feels amazing, you're on top of the world and indestructible, but the higher you climb, the worse the crash will be afterwards. Medication is only effective to a degree (unless the dosage is really high and you're in full unfeeling zombie-mode), but an awareness of your illness and what affects it is the real key. Knowledge is power. "
I'm always interested by how other people's experiences vary. I don't think being manic feels amazing. I feel irritable and have far more energy than I know what to do with but can't focus it on any particular thing for more than so long either. I want to do everything at once and often end up compulsively cleaning and excercising. It feels like my brain is working 100 miles per hour and I can't keep up with it. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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Depends on the degree of issue. Obviously psychopathic states of mind are probably left be, but hard to detect.
I was slightly autistic as a teenager but through adulthood and the help of swinging it counter acted it. Brought me out of my shell.I can't explain how it works. |
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"I'm bipolar and I have to say it's been great for me. Being bipolar usually entails having a high sex/impulse drive, so from that point of view it's given me an outlet to find playmates and partners with equally high drives whom I can safely explore kink with. I haven't ever experienced or inflicted any violence.
With mental health, there has to be some self-awareness and responsibility. I avoid triggers wherever possible, don't drink alcohol if I'm spiralling (either up or down), and if I'm feeling a manic episode coming on, I just remove myself from everyone until I work through it and level out again, rather than give it free rein and deal with the inevitable 'crash'. A manic high feels amazing, you're on top of the world and indestructible, but the higher you climb, the worse the crash will be afterwards. Medication is only effective to a degree (unless the dosage is really high and you're in full unfeeling zombie-mode), but an awareness of your illness and what affects it is the real key. Knowledge is power.
I'm always interested by how other people's experiences vary. I don't think being manic feels amazing. I feel irritable and have far more energy than I know what to do with but can't focus it on any particular thing for more than so long either. I want to do everything at once and often end up compulsively cleaning and excercising. It feels like my brain is working 100 miles per hour and I can't keep up with it."
Irritability comes with the downswing for me. More frustration than irritability maybe if I can't find a healthy outlet for all that excess energy and ebullience. I know I can't expect friends and family to take time out of their lives just to entertain me when I suddenly have an unbearable compulsion to karaoke at 2am or find the best sushi on a Wednesday afternoon, so I always have my cupboard full of baking ingredients and bake up a storm until I'm worn out  . Disappointment is my biggest trigger. So within the swinging world I try to surround myself with reliable people, the kind who won't let me down if we have made plans I'm really looking forward to, or just disappear, so I'm not tormenting myself wondering what I did wrong if they do. |
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"What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?
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What a bizarre question. Do you think someone with a mood disorders will flip mood mid fuck? What about if you know they have ischaemic heart disease? I'd be more worried about them having a heart attack than someone with a mood disorder having a "mood tangent" (whatever that is). |
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"I'm bipolar and I have to say it's been great for me. Being bipolar usually entails having a high sex/impulse drive, so from that point of view it's given me an outlet to find playmates and partners with equally high drives whom I can safely explore kink with. I haven't ever experienced or inflicted any violence.
With mental health, there has to be some self-awareness and responsibility. I avoid triggers wherever possible, don't drink alcohol if I'm spiralling (either up or down), and if I'm feeling a manic episode coming on, I just remove myself from everyone until I work through it and level out again, rather than give it free rein and deal with the inevitable 'crash'. A manic high feels amazing, you're on top of the world and indestructible, but the higher you climb, the worse the crash will be afterwards. Medication is only effective to a degree (unless the dosage is really high and you're in full unfeeling zombie-mode), but an awareness of your illness and what affects it is the real key. Knowledge is power.
I'm always interested by how other people's experiences vary. I don't think being manic feels amazing. I feel irritable and have far more energy than I know what to do with but can't focus it on any particular thing for more than so long either. I want to do everything at once and often end up compulsively cleaning and excercising. It feels like my brain is working 100 miles per hour and I can't keep up with it.
Irritability comes with the downswing for me. More frustration than irritability maybe if I can't find a healthy outlet for all that excess energy and ebullience. I know I can't expect friends and family to take time out of their lives just to entertain me when I suddenly have an unbearable compulsion to karaoke at 2am or find the best sushi on a Wednesday afternoon, so I always have my cupboard full of baking ingredients and bake up a storm until I'm worn out . Disappointment is my biggest trigger. So within the swinging world I try to surround myself with reliable people, the kind who won't let me down if we have made plans I'm really looking forward to, or just disappear, so I'm not tormenting myself wondering what I did wrong if they do. "
My triggers are more physical like on going stress or being sleep deprived is the most common one for me. |
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"What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?
What a bizarre question. Do you think someone with a mood disorders will flip mood mid fuck? What about if you know they have ischaemic heart disease? I'd be more worried about them having a heart attack than someone with a mood disorder having a "mood tangent" (whatever that is)."
Rapid cycling is not desperately common. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date "
Not at all funny and you clearly have no understanding of mental illness. Go and do some growing up then maybe you can rejoin the adult conversation.
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date
Not at all funny and you clearly have no understanding of mental illness. Go and do some growing up then maybe you can rejoin the adult conversation.
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Quite. And dissociative identity disorder is a terrible condition often brought about by unbelievable trauma, usually in childhood. Shame on you. |
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Mental health is a very broad spectrum and depends on the individual, their diagnosis (if they have one) and how they are affected.
I would say anyone needs to be careful when using a site such as this one. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
Depends on the degree of issue. Obviously psychopathic states of mind are probably left be, but hard to detect.
I was slightly autistic as a teenager but through adulthood and the help of swinging it counter acted it. Brought me out of my shell.I can't explain how it works."
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me. "
I don't think the OP as an agenda I think they are just asking, maybe for advise x |
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"Mental health is a very broad spectrum and depends on the individual, their diagnosis (if they have one) and how they are affected.
I would say anyone needs to be careful when using a site such as this one."
Took years to diagnose me, that was 15 years ago. A lot are not diagnosed quick enough and given the right help. |
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How would you stop them even if you thought they shouldn't. Bit of an odd question really as no one walks about with a label on their forehead saying I am mentally ill LOL. |
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"How would you stop them even if you thought they shouldn't. Bit of an odd question really as no one walks about with a label on their forehead saying I am mentally ill LOL."
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Overly sexual behaviour can be a part of many mental health conditions, some are slight and you will not notice but some are people that are so ill they are incredibly vulnerable and can easily be abused with or without the knowledge of the person doing it but I can imagine that some very predatory people will take advantage of them so my thoughts are No it’s not consent if the person is not capable enough to give full consent should be more awareness of this and I think this is a brilliant post btw |
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Could imagine having a issues with someone with dissociative identity disorder....
Rachel enjoys swinging and will ride anything, but Nicola is a born again Christian who practises celibacy....
On a serious note though and as someone with mental health issues, I see no problem with a person with a mental health issue enjoying swinging. As long as their disorder doesn't affect their reasoning and ability to make proper judgement calls, or allow others to easily take advantage.
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"Overly sexual behaviour can be a part of many mental health conditions, some are slight and you will not notice but some are people that are so ill they are incredibly vulnerable and can easily be abused with or without the knowledge of the person doing it but I can imagine that some very predatory people will take advantage of them so my thoughts are No it’s not consent if the person is not capable enough to give full consent should be more awareness of this and I think this is a brilliant post btw"
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I have symptoms of depression, anxiety and PTSD, I've even had panic attacks during sex in the past! I can still have happy and healthy sexual encounters on here regardless. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
no never nothing worse than playing with a fruit loop..you never know what to expect  "
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There is no yes or no answer.
There are too many factors involved.
A clinically depressed male of average looks may find his self esteem takes a battering when he sees that other males have more success than him. He won't notice the less successful men.
As mentioned earlier, a proportion of people will have undiagnosed mental health issues and may exhibit behaviors that may be risky or may just be seen as a kink. (That is not to say a kink is an indicator of poor mental health).
Unless a condition significantly affects a persons ability to consent, then they have as much right to swing as anyone else.
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"Overly sexual behaviour can be a part of many mental health conditions, some are slight and you will not notice but some are people that are so ill they are incredibly vulnerable and can easily be abused with or without the knowledge of the person doing it but I can imagine that some very predatory people will take advantage of them so my thoughts are No it’s not consent if the person is not capable enough to give full consent should be more awareness of this and I think this is a brilliant post btw"
Difficult one! When on a high episode I want sex all the time but I've never been taken advantage of but I do know of some that have. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
no never nothing worse than playing with a fruit loop..you never know what to expect "
That's an extremely offensive thing to say!!!!!! |
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"I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
I'd be interested in you clarifying why you think someone with any form of mental health issue should tell a prospective playmate?
It's not an infectious disease you can catch, *if* I have mental health issues (and let's face it we all have periods where were are mentally stronger than others) and I feel like I want to play or playing would be good for my mood/mindset/health... What business is it of the other person(s). I don't ask why they swing.
Well in simple terms a bipolar manic phase can be really scary if someone isn’t aware of it . In fact it can when you are aware of it too and I should know . Ive seen this first hand and it’s bloody nigh on impossible to calm someone down who’s on a bipolar manic phase .
Other mental illness may also be somewhat confusing for someone who doesn’t know about it so it makes sense to be aware in case anything comes up doesn’t it ?
I’m quite aware that mental illness isn’t something that’s infectious . But if someone isn’t in a fit state mentally to give consent , that in itself could cause issues couldn’t it ? "
Can I just point out that someone who was so floridly unwell that they did not have capacity at that point wouldn’t be in the position to start informing you of their condition. Also, how even manic episodes play out for each individual can be outstandingly different, so let’s not assume it means a loss of capacity. And finally, some people’s idiosyncracies or life views and actions can be very scary and we’re not asking people to have to state them all prior to engaging in swinging to a prospective partner. If one wants to screen out potential partners based on anything then ask the question you want of a prospective partner. Respect their right also to not answer and screen you out for your views demonstrated by asking the specific question, if they want. No onus is on someone to have to prove their worth to you, especially based on potential discriminatory generalisations. |
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"What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?
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But that can happen even to people without a mood disorder or any kind of mental health problem xxx |
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"There is no yes or no answer.
There are too many factors involved.
A clinically depressed male of average looks may find his self esteem takes a battering when he sees that other males have more success than him. He won't notice the less successful men.
As mentioned earlier, a proportion of people will have undiagnosed mental health issues and may exhibit behaviors that may be risky or may just be seen as a kink. (That is not to say a kink is an indicator of poor mental health).
Unless a condition significantly affects a persons ability to consent, then they have as much right to swing as anyone else.
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"What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?
But that can happen even to people without a mood disorder or any kind of mental health problem xxx"
So this |
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"Mental health is a very broad spectrum and depends on the individual, their diagnosis (if they have one) and how they are affected.
I would say anyone needs to be careful when using a site such as this one."
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"I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
I'd be interested in you clarifying why you think someone with any form of mental health issue should tell a prospective playmate?
It's not an infectious disease you can catch, *if* I have mental health issues (and let's face it we all have periods where were are mentally stronger than others) and I feel like I want to play or playing would be good for my mood/mindset/health... What business is it of the other person(s). I don't ask why they swing.
Well in simple terms a bipolar manic phase can be really scary if someone isn’t aware of it . In fact it can when you are aware of it too and I should know . Ive seen this first hand and it’s bloody nigh on impossible to calm someone down who’s on a bipolar manic phase .
Other mental illness may also be somewhat confusing for someone who doesn’t know about it so it makes sense to be aware in case anything comes up doesn’t it ?
I’m quite aware that mental illness isn’t something that’s infectious . But if someone isn’t in a fit state mentally to give consent , that in itself could cause issues couldn’t it ?
Can I just point out that someone who was so floridly unwell that they did not have capacity at that point wouldn’t be in the position to start informing you of their condition. Also, how even manic episodes play out for each individual can be outstandingly different, so let’s not assume it means a loss of capacity. And finally, some people’s idiosyncracies or life views and actions can be very scary and we’re not asking people to have to state them all prior to engaging in swinging to a prospective partner. If one wants to screen out potential partners based on anything then ask the question you want of a prospective partner. Respect their right also to not answer and screen you out for your views demonstrated by asking the specific question, if they want. No onus is on someone to have to prove their worth to you, especially based on potential discriminatory generalisations. "
There is no potential discriminatory generalisation on my part here . So I strongly object to your slur here . If they want to screen me out because I ask a specific question then that’s cool with me . I don’t have any desire to ask anyone to prove their worth to me at all . But what I wouldn’t want would be to be in a position where we as a couple have to deal with a breakdown while playing , or a fallout afterwards and consent issues arising due to mental state of mind at the time of playing . I don’t see this as being a contentious issue at all , more-so as simple common sense .
I’m not talking about individual idiosyncratic views on life here , I’m talking about mental issues which may have a serious bearing in what is supposed to be a mutually fun filled activity .
I wonder if you would feel like slamming me for my views on this if you had a meet with someone going through a bipolar manic phase and something went wrong ? I’ve seen people who go through this who lose all sense of reality , feel no pain , become hypersexual , and in pretty much all cases they are extremely persuasive . It could be said to be they are in no position to give consent to what happens next . So if they were to suggest upon coming down that things happened that they didn’t consent to with an able mind , you could be facing a court case ! |
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Thanks guys for some really good thoughtful replies. It gives an insight and as swinging means meeting strangers whom we don't know in real world . If we have developed an understanding beforehand then we know how to deal in unwanted situations.
We would change our approach in diffusing the situation rather than aggravating it with our naivety.
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"I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
I'd be interested in you clarifying why you think someone with any form of mental health issue should tell a prospective playmate?
It's not an infectious disease you can catch, *if* I have mental health issues (and let's face it we all have periods where were are mentally stronger than others) and I feel like I want to play or playing would be good for my mood/mindset/health... What business is it of the other person(s). I don't ask why they swing.
Well in simple terms a bipolar manic phase can be really scary if someone isn’t aware of it . In fact it can when you are aware of it too and I should know . Ive seen this first hand and it’s bloody nigh on impossible to calm someone down who’s on a bipolar manic phase .
Other mental illness may also be somewhat confusing for someone who doesn’t know about it so it makes sense to be aware in case anything comes up doesn’t it ?
I’m quite aware that mental illness isn’t something that’s infectious . But if someone isn’t in a fit state mentally to give consent , that in itself could cause issues couldn’t it ?
Can I just point out that someone who was so floridly unwell that they did not have capacity at that point wouldn’t be in the position to start informing you of their condition. Also, how even manic episodes play out for each individual can be outstandingly different, so let’s not assume it means a loss of capacity. And finally, some people’s idiosyncracies or life views and actions can be very scary and we’re not asking people to have to state them all prior to engaging in swinging to a prospective partner. If one wants to screen out potential partners based on anything then ask the question you want of a prospective partner. Respect their right also to not answer and screen you out for your views demonstrated by asking the specific question, if they want. No onus is on someone to have to prove their worth to you, especially based on potential discriminatory generalisations.
There is no potential discriminatory generalisation on my part here . So I strongly object to your slur here . If they want to screen me out because I ask a specific question then that’s cool with me . I don’t have any desire to ask anyone to prove their worth to me at all . But what I wouldn’t want would be to be in a position where we as a couple have to deal with a breakdown while playing , or a fallout afterwards and consent issues arising due to mental state of mind at the time of playing . I don’t see this as being a contentious issue at all , more-so as simple common sense .
I’m not talking about individual idiosyncratic views on life here , I’m talking about mental issues which may have a serious bearing in what is supposed to be a mutually fun filled activity .
I wonder if you would feel like slamming me for my views on this if you had a meet with someone going through a bipolar manic phase and something went wrong ? I’ve seen people who go through this who lose all sense of reality , feel no pain , become hypersexual , and in pretty much all cases they are extremely persuasive . It could be said to be they are in no position to give consent to what happens next . So if they were to suggest upon coming down that things happened that they didn’t consent to with an able mind , you could be facing a court case ! "
You appear to have taken it that I’m saying you, Glos, are actually discriminating as a fact. I didn’t. I haven’t slurred you. My post is pointing out that one (you, people, not just you Glos) can’t generalise about a manic phase of bipolar. That’s not saying you inherently discriminate. It does invoke potential to discriminate if you (again, one, people not just you Glos) judge everyone in a manic phase as lacking capacity. It’s not a blanket rule that you have no capacity in a manic phase. I was just clarifying that no one is obliged to disclose health conditions to anyone else, I’m not disagreeing that it might have a negative impact if someone is unwell on a meet. So you can strongly be reassured I wasn’t slurring or slamming you as you seem so quick to assume, I was expanding your point and tightening up the bits I disagree with of which there are a number. And yes, I’ve a lot of experience with supporting people in manic phases so have empirical evidence that gives rise to my finding some flaws with your comment however much it may be your reality with the exposure you have had.
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"I think it depends on the nature of their problem , and they should certainly tell prospective playmates of their condition first .
I'd be interested in you clarifying why you think someone with any form of mental health issue should tell a prospective playmate?
It's not an infectious disease you can catch, *if* I have mental health issues (and let's face it we all have periods where were are mentally stronger than others) and I feel like I want to play or playing would be good for my mood/mindset/health... What business is it of the other person(s). I don't ask why they swing.
Well in simple terms a bipolar manic phase can be really scary if someone isn’t aware of it . In fact it can when you are aware of it too and I should know . Ive seen this first hand and it’s bloody nigh on impossible to calm someone down who’s on a bipolar manic phase .
Other mental illness may also be somewhat confusing for someone who doesn’t know about it so it makes sense to be aware in case anything comes up doesn’t it ?
I’m quite aware that mental illness isn’t something that’s infectious . But if someone isn’t in a fit state mentally to give consent , that in itself could cause issues couldn’t it ?
Can I just point out that someone who was so floridly unwell that they did not have capacity at that point wouldn’t be in the position to start informing you of their condition. Also, how even manic episodes play out for each individual can be outstandingly different, so let’s not assume it means a loss of capacity. And finally, some people’s idiosyncracies or life views and actions can be very scary and we’re not asking people to have to state them all prior to engaging in swinging to a prospective partner. If one wants to screen out potential partners based on anything then ask the question you want of a prospective partner. Respect their right also to not answer and screen you out for your views demonstrated by asking the specific question, if they want. No onus is on someone to have to prove their worth to you, especially based on potential discriminatory generalisations.
There is no potential discriminatory generalisation on my part here . So I strongly object to your slur here . If they want to screen me out because I ask a specific question then that’s cool with me . I don’t have any desire to ask anyone to prove their worth to me at all . But what I wouldn’t want would be to be in a position where we as a couple have to deal with a breakdown while playing , or a fallout afterwards and consent issues arising due to mental state of mind at the time of playing . I don’t see this as being a contentious issue at all , more-so as simple common sense .
I’m not talking about individual idiosyncratic views on life here , I’m talking about mental issues which may have a serious bearing in what is supposed to be a mutually fun filled activity .
I wonder if you would feel like slamming me for my views on this if you had a meet with someone going through a bipolar manic phase and something went wrong ? I’ve seen people who go through this who lose all sense of reality , feel no pain , become hypersexual , and in pretty much all cases they are extremely persuasive . It could be said to be they are in no position to give consent to what happens next . So if they were to suggest upon coming down that things happened that they didn’t consent to with an able mind , you could be facing a court case !
You appear to have taken it that I’m saying you, Glos, are actually discriminating as a fact. I didn’t. I haven’t slurred you. My post is pointing out that one (you, people, not just you Glos) can’t generalise about a manic phase of bipolar. That’s not saying you inherently discriminate. It does invoke potential to discriminate if you (again, one, people not just you Glos) judge everyone in a manic phase as lacking capacity. It’s not a blanket rule that you have no capacity in a manic phase. I was just clarifying that no one is obliged to disclose health conditions to anyone else, I’m not disagreeing that it might have a negative impact if someone is unwell on a meet. So you can strongly be reassured I wasn’t slurring or slamming you as you seem so quick to assume, I was expanding your point and tightening up the bits I disagree with of which there are a number. And yes, I’ve a lot of experience with supporting people in manic phases so have empirical evidence that gives rise to my finding some flaws with your comment however much it may be your reality with the exposure you have had.
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Bipolar people do not have that much aggression to chop someone into pieces, they are not paranoid or illusional.
I am talking about mood swings.
Get that in the context "
This is completely false, people with this illness can and do get aggressive/ violent/paranoid and suffer with quite frightening hallucinations/dreams etc.
They mood swings also tend to last longer and don't 'flip' that quickly, all of this is through my personal experiences as the sole carer of my mother who has bipolar.
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Bipolar people do not have that much aggression to chop someone into pieces, they are not paranoid or illusional.
I am talking about mood swings.
Get that in the context
This is completely false, people with this illness can and do get aggressive/ violent/paranoid and suffer with quite frightening hallucinations/dreams etc.
They mood swings also tend to last longer and don't 'flip' that quickly, all of this is through my personal experiences as the sole carer of my mother who has bipolar.
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cant find the post you quoted on the thread. But i completly agree with you. For a start bipolar isnt "just" mood swings its everything else as well. In 40 years ive never had one violent outburst but a local woman stabbed her boyfriend to death. I also heard of lots of others that have violent outbursts. Also if your a psycotic bi polar person which i am you most certainly do suffer paronia and delusional thoughts. Bi polar is such a blanket term and you cant base everyones bipolar the same. Some people can function very well in society and some have to live in residential units because they cant function well enough |
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Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
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It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. "
I will look into it, that's how I have found it in the past, all I cn go off myself is personal experience and tales from others but quite happy to learn more. |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. "
Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell. |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell. "
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences. |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless.
I will look into it, that's how I have found it in the past, all I cn go off myself is personal experience and tales from others but quite happy to learn more."
That's nice to hear. Learning more is the key to understanding. |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences."
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences.
Who's shaming? "
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences.
Who's shaming?
Seeing as you asked I think your post did. Let's keep the thread positive and on track. "
Telling someone they shouldn't call a MH issue harmless is shaming? |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences.
Who's shaming?
Seeing as you asked I think your post did. Let's keep the thread positive and on track.
Telling someone they shouldn't call a MH issue harmless is shaming? "
That is your opinion and I am entitled to mine. As I said keep the thread positive.
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences.
Who's shaming?
Seeing as you asked I think your post did. Let's keep the thread positive and on track.
Telling someone they shouldn't call a MH issue harmless is shaming?
That is your opinion and I am entitled to mine. As I said keep the thread positive.
Have a great day."
I didn't state an opinion, I asked a question, it's OK if you don't want to answer.
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences."
Abosolutley this! I see a lot of massive misconceptions about people with Bipolar. I'm regularly told by people who know I have it that I seem "too normal" to have it and as a result many think I'm making it up. I think one of the issues is people remember those they have encountered who are very severely ill with it and acting very irrationally and unpredictably. They don't know about all the other people they have met with it that they didn't even realise had a mental health condition. |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Talking about mental health is great! Anything to raise awareness. Most people have very limited knowledge of MH conditions and base it on their own experience of people with certain conditions. Let's continue the debate in an adult way without shaming people who don't know the in's and out's of the ICD-10, but are happy to discuss their experiences.
Abosolutley this! I see a lot of massive misconceptions about people with Bipolar. I'm regularly told by people who know I have it that I seem "too normal" to have it and as a result many think I'm making it up. I think one of the issues is people remember those they have encountered who are very severely ill with it and acting very irrationally and unpredictably. They don't know about all the other people they have met with it that they didn't even realise had a mental health condition."
Yes I agree, everyones personal experience of mental health conditions is different, that's why I was sharing my personal experience.
People are surprised when my son tells them of his experience with his condition in the past and what he went through as he is no longer severely ill with it now |
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell. "
Glad to hear the treatment is working x
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"Too broad a question, I've come to think that most people have mental health issues in one form of another. They probably often don't realise it, sometimes it's a minor matter, some times more serious. Do you count OCD, I would imagine that probably is thought of a mental health issue, although normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one. However I have met others who part way through getting to know someone, (at varying lengths of time), I have thought you are mental, (politiclly incorrect I know but when they are holding knives being PC goes out of the window).
I have my hang ups and thoughts, sometimes quite dark and paranoid. I often think that's wierd, what are they thinking. However I still thinnk I doubt they are been that Machiavellian about the matter, (but who knows?)
However I stil tend to try and think that most people are honest and trustworthy, experience has taught me that they are. Then someone does something and you are back to the doubt stage with a lot of people.
To put it simply and probably un PC, I think we're all a bit'mental', it 's just a question of degree, nature of the beast.
It seems OCD is a subject you have very little understanding of.
You think that OCD "probably is thought of a mental health issue". Let me clear that up for you. It is a MH issue.
As for describing it as "normally a fairly harmless but sometime irritating one", I'd suggest you do a little research before you decide which MH conditions are harmless. Yes, it is a mental health condition and a very severe one at that.
My eldest son who has autism was diagnosed with it by his Psychiatrist and is on medication as without it, he would be mentally ill, which he experienced before being diagnosed. He went through hell.
Glad to hear the treatment is working x
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
So the vague question is actually so specific as to be about 1 person
I'm not sure what your agenda is (and there's definitely an agenda) but this thread already isn't sitting comfortable with me.
Apologies mate, no agenda, I mean what agenda I could have any asking a question.
I may have put the question wrong.
Let's rephrase it
Does swinging help with issues with mental health?
Can i ask do you think she shouldn't be swinging and is the reason because she is bi-polar?
I don't judge ppl, that's not me.
I presented a scenario and seek discussion.
Nothing personal over here
Okay well personally I'm not bi-polar but I do have other issues. If someone started a thread about me, posted about my private life and tried to start a discussion about whether I should swing based on my mental health issues I'd be fucking mortified and it would have a massive and potentially immediate impact on my wellbeing.
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
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Has she told you she's bi polar? |
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"Mental health issues is a very broad term but in the vast majority of cases yes of course. But that's a very simplistic answer to a very non-specific question
Bipolar ,to be very specific
We know a lady and she used to swing with her FB , clubs ,house parties etc.
Had multiple relationships ,mostly ended up with violence.
Has she told you she's bi polar? "
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Bipolar people do not have that much aggression to chop someone into pieces, they are not paranoid or illusional.
I am talking about mood swings.
Get that in the context
This is completely false, people with this illness can and do get aggressive/ violent/paranoid and suffer with quite frightening hallucinations/dreams etc.
They mood swings also tend to last longer and don't 'flip' that quickly, all of this is through my personal experiences as the sole carer of my mother who has bipolar.
cant find the post you quoted on the thread. But i completly agree with you. For a start bipolar isnt "just" mood swings its everything else as well. In 40 years ive never had one violent outburst but a local woman stabbed her boyfriend to death. I also heard of lots of others that have violent outbursts. Also if your a psycotic bi polar person which i am you most certainly do suffer paronia and delusional thoughts. Bi polar is such a blanket term and you cant base everyones bipolar the same. Some people can function very well in society and some have to live in residential units because they cant function well enough"
I love your posts about this, and how open you are. I never knew any of this until you did your 'educational' information threads years ago.  |
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"Abosolutley this! I see a lot of massive misconceptions about people with Bipolar. I'm regularly told by people who know I have it that I seem "too normal" to have it and as a result many think I'm making it up. I think one of the issues is people remember those they have encountered who are very severely ill with it and acting very irrationally and unpredictably. They don't know about all the other people they have met with it that they didn't even realise had a mental health condition."
Agreed. I'd say there are massive misconceptions about most MH issues. |
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"So all in all, swinging is not good for people with mental health issues.
May work with depression as you get to meet people and have social life.
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How on earth is that what you've taken from this? Absolutely disagree that it's not good for people with mental health problems. |
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"Abosolutley this! I see a lot of massive misconceptions about people with Bipolar. I'm regularly told by people who know I have it that I seem "too normal" to have it and as a result many think I'm making it up. I think one of the issues is people remember those they have encountered who are very severely ill with it and acting very irrationally and unpredictably. They don't know about all the other people they have met with it that they didn't even realise had a mental health condition.
Agreed. I'd say there are massive misconceptions about most MH issues. "
Agreed but I can only really comment on my own. I see so many comments about people with Bipolar that are vastly different to my own experience of having it. |
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Absolutely they should be welcome in the swinging community - it could be any one of us, as mental health issues affect such a high proportion of people, during a whole lifetime.
It's up to each person to decide what they want from their life, so that they follow their own desires. There may be some elements of some conditions where it would be different, where someone is incredibly vulnerable and could be taken advantage of, without their awareness and understanding. Otherwise, where someone has full agency and would be mindful of any negative effects upon their wellbeing, then it's great. As adults, free living, satisfaction and having full agency to determine out own life course, is important. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else. |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else. "
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else. "
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white. |
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"So all in all, swinging is not good for people with mental health issues.
May work with depression as you get to meet people and have social life.
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Is that really what you've taken from this thread? |
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"Abosolutley this! I see a lot of massive misconceptions about people with Bipolar. I'm regularly told by people who know I have it that I seem "too normal" to have it and as a result many think I'm making it up. I think one of the issues is people remember those they have encountered who are very severely ill with it and acting very irrationally and unpredictably. They don't know about all the other people they have met with it that they didn't even realise had a mental health condition.
Agreed. I'd say there are massive misconceptions about most MH issues.
Agreed but I can only really comment on my own. I see so many comments about people with Bipolar that are vastly different to my own experience of having it."
Absolutely! I see people say they're a little OCD about this or that. Also referring to people as schizo or psychotic as some kind of slur. Or my personal favourite, a narc! |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white. "
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
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Hi, interesting reading here, would you stop someone with a physical health problem from swinging, def not, so, def not stop someone with a mental health issue either.... |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
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Spot on on all points its really sad pompous people think they can dictate who others if they should be on fab or not.
Everyone who isn't a danger to others has every right to be on here no matter what. |
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"Do you think people with mental health issues should come into swinging ?
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Show me someone who doesn't have mental health issues
It's a matter of degrees! x |
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Bipolar people do not have that much aggression to chop someone into pieces, they are not paranoid or illusional.
I am talking about mood swings.
Get that in the context
This is completely false, people with this illness can and do get aggressive/ violent/paranoid and suffer with quite frightening hallucinations/dreams etc.
They mood swings also tend to last longer and don't 'flip' that quickly, all of this is through my personal experiences as the sole carer of my mother who has bipolar.
cant find the post you quoted on the thread. But i completly agree with you. For a start bipolar isnt "just" mood swings its everything else as well. In 40 years ive never had one violent outburst but a local woman stabbed her boyfriend to death. I also heard of lots of others that have violent outbursts. Also if your a psycotic bi polar person which i am you most certainly do suffer paronia and delusional thoughts. Bi polar is such a blanket term and you cant base everyones bipolar the same. Some people can function very well in society and some have to live in residential units because they cant function well enough
I love your posts about this, and how open you are. I never knew any of this until you did your 'educational' information threads years ago. "
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white. "
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
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You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me. "
I agree that if something will put you at risk then you are entitled to know about it.
I wasn't specifically referring to you when I mentioned people without knowledge of mental illness.
I believe comments such as 'What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?', 'I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date', 'no never nothing worse than playing with a fruit loop..you never know what to expect', are all rude comments about mental illness.
I do also agree that raising awareness is good, however, doing it in a way which might make those people feel ostracized is definitely not the way to do it. |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me. "
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive. |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
I agree that if something will put you at risk then you are entitled to know about it.
I wasn't specifically referring to you when I mentioned people without knowledge of mental illness.
I believe comments such as 'What if someone goes in another mood tangent while playing ?
Wouldn't that petrify you and put you off swinging ?', 'I think big polar and schizophrenia are OK only trouble is nobody knows who's going to turn up on the date', 'no never nothing worse than playing with a fruit loop..you never know what to expect', are all rude comments about mental illness.
I do also agree that raising awareness is good, however, doing it in a way which might make those people feel ostracized is definitely not the way to do it. "
Ive just seen the later comments you have quoted and yes they are rude, ill informed and idiotic. However, the first comment about mood tangents could be a viable question. As someone who has alot of experience of patients living with disassociative identity diorder it can be bloody scary (and that is under stating it), so knowing what you are potentially going into and how saying the wrong thing can inflamme the situation or being a bit more aware and informed. |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
Spot on on all points its really sad pompous people think they can dictate who others if they should be on fab or not.
Everyone who isn't a danger to others has every right to be on here no matter what. "
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive."
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this. "
I think it's more the context of the discussion that's the issue, saying whether someone with a mental illness should be allowed to partake in a particular activity or join a certain community. |
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over a year ago
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"So all in all, swinging is not good for people with mental health issues.
May work with depression as you get to meet people and have social life.
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It concerns me that the OP gets this as their conclusion of the thread. That demonstrates to me not a huge amount of learning went on. |
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"So all in all, swinging is not good for people with mental health issues.
May work with depression as you get to meet people and have social life.
It concerns me that the OP gets this as their conclusion of the thread. That demonstrates to me not a huge amount of learning went on."
But it's still debatable.
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So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
I think it's more the context of the discussion that's the issue, saying whether someone with a mental illness should be allowed to partake in a particular activity or join a certain community. "
I think everybody should be treated on an individual basis. For some individuals this scene is toxic and I would say no here is not good for them. But that's not said out of malice or a lack of awareness, but a genuine concern about their health and wellbeing. I could go into alot more detail but that would not be fair. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"So all in all, swinging is not good for people with mental health issues.
May work with depression as you get to meet people and have social life.
It concerns me that the OP gets this as their conclusion of the thread. That demonstrates to me not a huge amount of learning went on.
But it's still debatable.
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But you’ve concluded that apart from those with (straight) depression it’s not good.
That’s wrong.
It’s individualised as mental health conditions manifest differently with each person, and even with an individual there can be times any form of social activity isn’t the best for them - much like any human when feeling unwell be it for mental or physical health reasons. And also it’s not really for any single person to tell another what they should or shouldn’t do with their life. Check in with people who you know have health conditions and ask them what works for them - get to know them and how they’d like to be supported or don’t get involved. And remember that mental capacity is a defined ruling so respect that people with mental health conditions get to choose how they live their life whether or not you think they’re making unhealthy choices. Outside judgement is often very unhelpful especially when based on experiences of other people rather than the individual you’re specifically referring to as everyone is different.
If anything from this thread I’d like to encourage people to talk directly with anyone they have concerns about, people living with conditions who have clinical support will be experts of their own situation. |
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"So all in all, swinging is not good for people with mental health issues.
May work with depression as you get to meet people and have social life.
It concerns me that the OP gets this as their conclusion of the thread. That demonstrates to me not a huge amount of learning went on.
But it's still debatable.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
I think it's more the context of the discussion that's the issue, saying whether someone with a mental illness should be allowed to partake in a particular activity or join a certain community.
I think everybody should be treated on an individual basis. For some individuals this scene is toxic and I would say no here is not good for them. But that's not said out of malice or a lack of awareness, but a genuine concern about their health and wellbeing. I could go into alot more detail but that would not be fair. "
This I agree with, for some people this scene wouldn't be good for their mental health, with or without a previous history of mental illness. |
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I think,people are just getting touchy to discuss it. My whole aim was to get ask people who are either dealing with it may have dealt with relevant people.
Should be take any extra care when we come across people with any mental health conditions?
Is there anything we don't have to do which may aggravate the situation?
People who had such problems have already mentioned that swinging helped them gaining confidence.
If you have anything to contribute then please do so rather than making the thread growing in different tangent.
Absolutely no offence intended here against anyone. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"I think,people are just getting touchy to discuss it. My whole aim was to get ask people who are either dealing with it may have dealt with relevant people.
Should be take any extra care when we come across people with any mental health conditions?
Is there anything we don't have to do which may aggravate the situation?
People who had such problems have already mentioned that swinging helped them gaining confidence.
If you have anything to contribute then please do so rather than making the thread growing in different tangent.
Absolutely no offence intended here against anyone."
That actually wasn't what you said at all at any point during the thread. You originally asked if people with mental illness should be on the scene, then you specifically mentioned bipolar. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
London |
"I think,people are just getting touchy to discuss it. My whole aim was to get ask people who are either dealing with it may have dealt with relevant people.
Should be take any extra care when we come across people with any mental health conditions?
Is there anything we don't have to do which may aggravate the situation?
People who had such problems have already mentioned that swinging helped them gaining confidence.
If you have anything to contribute then please do so rather than making the thread growing in different tangent.
Absolutely no offence intended here against anyone."
Not touchy, just clarifying. The disagreements are also important as the context of the opening post is different to your now more open questioning - and that’s positive.  |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this. "
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so. |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
Between a cock and a soft place |
"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
Spot on on all points its really sad pompous people think they can dictate who others if they should be on fab or not.
Everyone who isn't a danger to others has every right to be on here no matter what.
Didn't you start a thread last week about fucked up people on fab? "
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so."
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I'm afraid I have only recently looked at this thread since I last posted on it. Little Miss Sunshine mailed me his morning to say she didn't mean to come on as being too heavy towards me. Personally I don't think she was, she just pointed out some misconceptions that I and probably many others have about OCD.
I don't feel 'shamed', just mildly rebuked, whatever it was, it was not especially hurtful. I'm a big lad and don't run away crying when someone says something that may hurt, I'd like to think I learn something from the experience
I have had experience of mental health problems with others and to some extent with myself, (although I think mine have been minor). They should never be underated whatever, apologies to Little Miss Sunshine if you took some hassle because of our exchange of posts. |
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Hi, sorry for joining late. I'm trained in mental health issues and have been in serious relationships with BP1 and BPD people. Generally swinging is fine for sufferers as they will reach out for people when it suits them. BP sufferers tend to be on slow cycles and BPD sufferers are a little more unpredictable (learn the reasons why they suffer from BPD and you'll understand). Being in a relationship is a totally different matter and only a well educated partner will get the best from a relationship. Education is the key, do your homework. |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so."
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Mental health issues is such a broad spectrum it's near impossible to answer the question.
I'm prone to the occasional spell of darkness. Depression could potentially be classed as a mental illness but I'm not a threat to anyone in the slightest, not even a threat to myself. Only danger to anyone would be me asking them to simply hold me tight so I felt secure. I will just back off from fab , and most things for a few days until the world looks brighter. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
London |
"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so.
Look forward to seeing your raising awareness thread."
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so.
Look forward to seeing your raising awareness thread.
Passive aggressive much?"
Nah just fed up with trying to raise awareness and getting jumped on like I'm some sort of monster. My intentions were good. Not everyones are. But hey ho, let them find out for themselves. I'm done. For anyone with mental health issues I hope you get the support you need and can play in a safe environment. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
London |
"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so.
Look forward to seeing your raising awareness thread.
Passive aggressive much?
Nah just fed up with trying to raise awareness and getting jumped on like I'm some sort of monster. My intentions were good. Not everyones are. But hey ho, let them find out for themselves. I'm done. For anyone with mental health issues I hope you get the support you need and can play in a safe environment. "
Fair enough. I didn’t see anyone jumping on you like you’re a monster - just people not hugely comfortable with the opening context of the thread, which set a premise of prejudgment. The comments challenging that are important as part of mental health awareness raising and in my opinion shouldn’t be dismissed as not wanting to raise awareness. It’s a shame you feel reply clarifications that your challenges on others interpreting them to be shaming or not raising awareness are making you out to be a monster. It looks from the outside to be miscommunication, everyone looks to be wanting to raise awareness. Your intentions, I believe, were good but you didn’t need the pass agg vibe. |
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so.
Look forward to seeing your raising awareness thread.
Passive aggressive much?
Nah just fed up with trying to raise awareness and getting jumped on like I'm some sort of monster. My intentions were good. Not everyones are. But hey ho, let them find out for themselves. I'm done. For anyone with mental health issues I hope you get the support you need and can play in a safe environment.
Fair enough. I didn’t see anyone jumping on you like you’re a monster - just people not hugely comfortable with the opening context of the thread, which set a premise of prejudgment. The comments challenging that are important as part of mental health awareness raising and in my opinion shouldn’t be dismissed as not wanting to raise awareness. It’s a shame you feel reply clarifications that your challenges on others interpreting them to be shaming or not raising awareness are making you out to be a monster. It looks from the outside to be miscommunication, everyone looks to be wanting to raise awareness. Your intentions, I believe, were good but you didn’t need the pass agg vibe. "
It wasn't a passive aggressive comment. Well it certainly wasn't intended to be, if that is how it same across then it was not as intentional. As I said I'm done.
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I think issues with distress manifesting during a meet would be pretty rare. As a couple dealing with EUPD and swinging we have to ensure that we are constantly aware of how this disorder is affecting the decisions we make regarding meets. But once a meet is arranged we focus on the positives and continue to talk a lot and very honestly regarding it. We've never had a bad meet or social which I believe is down to the fact that we always always talk openly. If there's any sign of distress then we don't meet! Simple!
Knowing and understanding your illness and constant communication is key to being able to continue swinging with a mental illness.
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"To be honest, the whole purpose of this thread, to find out if people with mental health issues should be allowed to swing, is a load of bollocks, to put it bluntly.
Who the hell gets to decide if people are allowed to or 'should' swing? I think more people should concentrate on their own issues before forcing their uneducated opinions on everyone else.
If you read further down the OP did actually rephrase the original question. This thread has opened up discussion about mental health within a swinging environment. I'd rather people had an adult debate rather than just labelling something as bollocks. Life is never black and white.
I have read the entire thread and I stand by my comment. People as a group thinking they have the right to tell others what they can or can't do is bollocks. Especially in a so called 'open' lifestyle like swinging.
It's even worse when some of the people commenting have little to no experience with mental illness but somehow think they know enough to tell those people that they shouldn't be taking part in something that they enjoy.
Also telling people they should have to disclose something which most likely has traumatic memories for the person is ridiculous too.
People with mental illness might read this and think that they are not welcome in the scene or that they shouldn't be meeting/going to clubs etc.
I feel very strongly about this as I have several family members that have had mental illnesses and I've seen what people who haven't experienced mental illness can do to their mental health, purely through ignorance.
Apologies for any terrible grammar or spelling, I'm typing this on my phone lol.
You stand by your comment and I stand by mine. I maybe missing something but I don't see people being rude about mental illness, what I do see is alot of debate, questions being asked, awareness being raised. That is all positive and certainly not bollocks.
Oh and I do have more than enough experience of dealing with mental health issues. Personally I would like to know if there where any issues that would put either my own safety or playmates at risk and if there is anything I could do to help or reassure others. If that offends then so be it. Personal respinsibility for our own wellbeing is pretty important for me.
It's not exactly enjoyable to have people debate over what you are and aren't allowed to do or whether it is a good idea for you to do something. The same way many women wouldn't enjoy a debate over whether women should be allowed to drive.
So how would you like awareness to be raised about mental health? Should we not talk about it? Should we all get knowledge from the media and hollywood films? Or should we talk with people with lived experience who can tell it like it is....for them? Genuinely interested in what peoples thoughts are on this.
Debating what "people with mental health conditions" should or should not do is not raising awareness. I would happily welcome a thread asking people with mental health conditions about their experiences of swinging and if they feel their condition affects their experience in any way. This wasn't a conversation with people with mental health conditions. It was a conversation about them for other people to decide what they should be doing. Saying I don't enjoy people I have never met making a judgment on what I should and shouldn't be doing is not the same as saying people shouldn't talk about mental health and it's quite a stretch to suggest so.
Look forward to seeing your raising awareness thread.
Passive aggressive much?
Nah just fed up with trying to raise awareness and getting jumped on like I'm some sort of monster. My intentions were good. Not everyones are. But hey ho, let them find out for themselves. I'm done. For anyone with mental health issues I hope you get the support you need and can play in a safe environment.
Fair enough. I didn’t see anyone jumping on you like you’re a monster - just people not hugely comfortable with the opening context of the thread, which set a premise of prejudgment. The comments challenging that are important as part of mental health awareness raising and in my opinion shouldn’t be dismissed as not wanting to raise awareness. It’s a shame you feel reply clarifications that your challenges on others interpreting them to be shaming or not raising awareness are making you out to be a monster. It looks from the outside to be miscommunication, everyone looks to be wanting to raise awareness. Your intentions, I believe, were good but you didn’t need the pass agg vibe.
It wasn't a passive aggressive comment. Well it certainly wasn't intended to be, if that is how it same across then it was not as intentional. As I said I'm done.
Have a good day everyone."
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Possibly fab wouldn’t be the best place for anyone having self doubt or esteem issues, like others have said mental health issues can be such a wide range it would have to be on a person to person basis. |
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"I'm afraid I have only recently looked at this thread since I last posted on it. Little Miss Sunshine mailed me his morning to say she didn't mean to come on as being too heavy towards me. Personally I don't think she was, she just pointed out some misconceptions that I and probably many others have about OCD.
I don't feel 'shamed', just mildly rebuked, whatever it was, it was not especially hurtful. I'm a big lad and don't run away crying when someone says something that may hurt, I'd like to think I learn something from the experience
I have had experience of mental health problems with others and to some extent with myself, (although I think mine have been minor). They should never be underated whatever, apologies to Little Miss Sunshine if you took some hassle because of our exchange of posts."
Thank you. Shaming wasn't my intention. I'm happy if it made you want to learn more |
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