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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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we dont think it comes down to colour, its just there is more white guys as you put it on here. we have found when we have chosen to speak to a fella on here they are very polite untill it comes to soemthing they want, which is why we have and never will meet a single guy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bottom of the food chain in normal life... how do you mean? Sarah x"
He means that married men get more money from the government and are less likely to be homeless. |
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Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, no one is attracted to you????
Love how people go on about not having any luck...not just the single guys....couples and single women also..
If there is no mutual attraction...you'r fucked! (or not, as case may be) 
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain"
LOL, yeah right! White men are discriminated against all day every day? Ermmmm, nope.
As for SWM on here, I meet all men, of any colour, and am happy to do so. But I find a sense of entitlement shown by anyone decidely offputting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't really understand why there are so many guys to women on sites like these....I have some lady friends who are single and on coventional dating sites and tell me the numbers seem to be evens or maybe more females.
Is it because more women are reserved about nsa sex and swinging ? |
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain
LOL, yeah right! White men are discriminated against all day every day? Ermmmm, nope.
As for SWM on here, I meet all men, of any colour, and am happy to do so. But I find a sense of entitlement shown by anyone decidely offputting."
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If you want to see your self at the bottom of the food chain on here and in everyday life then you will be. We get out of things what we put in. Yes it is harder for single guys on here (any colour) but if someone is seen in a positive light puts themselves out to socialize then doors will open |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you want to see your self at the bottom of the food chain on here and in everyday life then you will be. We get out of things what we put in. Yes it is harder for single guys on here (any colour) but if someone is seen in a positive light puts themselves out to socialize then doors will open"
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"I don't really understand why there are so many guys to women on sites like these....I have some lady friends who are single and on coventional dating sites and tell me the numbers seem to be evens or maybe more females.
Is it because more women are reserved about nsa sex and swinging ?"
I think it is more because some people still see swinging as a couples activity. I've lost count of the amount of people that on finding out I'm a swinger, ask if we still put car keys into a bowl. Their next question is how can you swing, you don't have a partner.
And also because it is still a common ideal that women shouldn't have as many sexual partners as men.
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"I don't really understand why there are so many guys to women on sites like these....I have some lady friends who are single and on coventional dating sites and tell me the numbers seem to be evens or maybe more females.
Is it because more women are reserved about nsa sex and swinging ?
I think it is more because some people still see swinging as a couples activity. I've lost count of the amount of people that on finding out I'm a swinger, ask if we still put car keys into a bowl. Their next question is how can you swing, you don't have a partner.
And also because it is still a common ideal that women shouldn't have as many sexual partners as men.
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Or they just simply don't want to be swingers?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't think its the number of guys that's the problem. I think its the amount that think that just because their on the site every one must want to have sex with them. |
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Or they just simply don't want to be swingers?
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That too, just like a fair amount of single men on here! "I'm back after I left because I found a girl friend, and I didn't want her swinging"
"I'm happy to have sex with your wife, but I wouldn't let mine do this!"
are just one or two I've heard of recently!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Or they just simply don't want to be swingers?
That too, just like a fair amount of single men on here! "I'm back after I left because I found a girl friend, and I didn't want her swinging"
"I'm happy to have sex with your wife, but I wouldn't let mine do this!"
are just one or two I've heard of recently!!! "
Have you also heard of the no touching bellybutton thing?  |
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By *oopy123Man
over a year ago
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As a single gay male with bi curious interests this site has been an eye opener for me. The deception of its members keeps me amused and amazed. Couples who are nearly always desperate single "bi" males and straight males who are Bi (or gay!!!) and are terrified they may lose their straight identity to the couples on fab. I love it
 . I am completely open and honest about my sexuality,no hangups or inhibitione here, and now have had the pleasure of several mmf sessions. Long may it go on. I love the adventure!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the suggrstipn that white males are bottom of the food chain in normal life is laughable.
as for in swinging I think colour as has been demonstrated on here time and time again is Irrelevant. single men have it harder that is all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"the suggrstipn that white males are bottom of the food chain in normal life is laughable.
as for in swinging I think colour as has been demonstrated on here time and time again is Irrelevant. single men have it harder that is all. "
The reason they have "it" harder is because they use viagra!! |
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By *onny BonesMan
over a year ago
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We single guys find so many things for the lack of what we seek here. Being a single white male is the preference of many on the site. Try to find these people, if nothing else the search is fun. Concentrate on the good things you'll find here, you will appeal to somebody. Good luck in your continued search. The whole 'food chain in our normal lives' thing is a bit political. Sexual preference is completely different to this.
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters"
i am not sure in which area single white guys come bottom of any food chain  |
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"I don't really understand why there are so many guys to women on sites like these....I have some lady friends who are single and on coventional dating sites and tell me the numbers seem to be evens or maybe more females.
Is it because more women are reserved about nsa sex and swinging ?"
to be honest i think its cos women give it more thought, they consider what swinging means, whereas some of the single men and not so single, on here are just after a quick fuck.
Which can be a part of swinging, but isnt the whole of it for everyone. Some men join assuming they have found instashag, in my experience women and couples who join have considered what nsa and swinging will bring to their lives and take a longer term _iew.
So they may be fewer but they are here with greater awareness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters
i am not sure in which area single white guys come bottom of any food chain "
Nor I, but so long as something wants to eat me! |
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters
i am not sure in which area single white guys come bottom of any food chain
Nor I, but so long as something wants to eat me! "
will nibble those bum cheeks anytime |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters"
It's just you! 
You need to change your _iew on things for your own sake because other males here are loving life and meeting great women! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't really understand why there are so many guys to women on sites like these....I have some lady friends who are single and on coventional dating sites and tell me the numbers seem to be evens or maybe more females.
Is it because more women are reserved about nsa sex and swinging ?
to be honest i think its cos women give it more thought, they consider what swinging means, whereas some of the single men and not so single, on here are just after a quick fuck.
Which can be a part of swinging, but isnt the whole of it for everyone. Some men join assuming they have found instashag, in my experience women and couples who join have considered what nsa and swinging will bring to their lives and take a longer term _iew.
So they may be fewer but they are here with greater awareness."
Very true |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters
i am not sure in which area single white guys come bottom of any food chain
Nor I, but so long as something wants to eat me!
will nibble those bum cheeks anytime"
Oi! need to keep those in one piece  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE |
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE "
ahhhh, my suspicions are confirmed.
good to be able to identify the racists from their own posts though |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE "
Ahh, I see your point.....
Wait, no I don't! So you seriously believe that a group that has had power and influence for the last millenium is prejudiced against? Really?
If you educated yourself before going 'wah wah wah no-one will meet me' then you'd know that women, children and blacks were actually considered property with no material rights whatsoever until comparatively recently. The reason why we have legal protection is BECAUSE white men have behaved so appallingly for so long.
But please, carry on with that grudge you're holding. As Jemima says, its always good to see concrete proof of bigots so I never meet them by mistake. |
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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago
not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds) |
WHITE MALE -NO legal protection. 
With this post I'm sure you could defend yourself as being insane...
black women -equality and race relations
white women -equality....
surely its the rspb that looks after all birds...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE
ahhhh, my suspicions are confirmed.
good to be able to identify the racists from their own posts though "
its great when they come out and u know who they r another to block list |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE "
wow.... so this post had a more sinister motive behind it... at least we now know what the real reason was....
being a "child of the south" so to speak... look at yourself and think "why have these groups of people needed protection in the past"
wow.... so many private notes being used. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE "
Sorry OP i think ur reflective status seems a bit tarnished, whether it be about anyone's particular preferences of who they play with.Why not go to a club or social event and disprove ur theory???
Personally I just dont understand any persons who moan about not getting mets , when all they need to do is look around at the scene instead of making sweeping generalizations from the computer screen.
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE "
Well ive heard it all now, so in life when are you descriminated against for being a single white guy???
On here you will find there are many couples and even more single women that play with single guys(not even going to go down the white route). Have you stopped and thought maybe they are just not attracted to you. With an attitude like you have i can see why you dont get meets and its nothing to do with your colour or marital status |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No place I'd rather be than under diamondsmiles, but that's a whole new thread.
Mate you need to get over yourself. Try being Asian, and seeing 'no Asians or blacks' on every other profile. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Regardless of who you are, when you are in a crowd, you have to stand out from the crowd - how you do that is up to you x"
my cockcatherine wheel works great...always attracts attention! |
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE
Ahh, I see your point.....
Wait, no I don't! So you seriously believe that a group that has had power and influence for the last millenium is prejudiced against? Really?
If you educated yourself before going 'wah wah wah no-one will meet me' then you'd know that women, children and blacks were actually considered property with no material rights whatsoever until comparatively recently. The reason why we have legal protection is BECAUSE white men have behaved so appallingly for so long.
But please, carry on with that grudge you're holding. As Jemima says, its always good to see concrete proof of bigots so I never meet them by mistake."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE
ahhhh, my suspicions are confirmed.
good to be able to identify the racists from their own posts though "
Yep! he just couldn't help himself could he?! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well fuck me
ive seen some shit posted here, seen some strange comments made, but ladies and gentlemen let me introduce possibly the most ill thought out idea and reasoning for a thread!!
taxi for the OP . . . . . . . . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Op - I feel a little sorry for you and not in a condescending way.
You sound like a guy who's more than a little frustrated with life, maybe your down on your luck. Things are not going your way and your looking around you for reasons and excuses. Misery loves company so you've decided to try and make your misfortune a group issue. It could have been any group but you've settled on your race and marital status in order to find a way of shifting the reasons and blame away from your personal self and attribute them to a group in order to soften the impact on you as an individual.
Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
Instead of focussing on creating external excuses, take an honest look inside because your lot in life and on Fab is down to you as an individual. You'll struggle to succesfully blame anyone else.
Nothing you've said on here offends me and I don't know if your a bigot, I do however believe that frustration is clouding your judgement.
Re-brand yourself, adopt a positive mental attitude and take personal responsibility for any rejections so that you can take personal joy in any future acceptance.
Good luck. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"GUYS , YOU MISSED MY POINT
In life
black women - equality and race relations
Black guys - Race relations
white women - equality
children - RSPCC
animals - RSPCA
WHITE MALE - NO legal protection
ON here
The last thing the majority want whether couples /single women /TV etc are single guys .
The question was is it simply because we are unreliable ...AT LEAST THIS GOT A MASSIVE RESPONSE "
You're hysterically funny in a sad total maniac way!
Were you brought up in some sort of strange cult?
Haha white men have no rights and are lowest of the low, where were you educated? Oh yes of course must be that cult.
SWINGING DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHAG EVERYTHING THAT MOVES! Excuse me shouting
If your not getting any meets look at yourself and stop blaming the colour of your skin and relationship status. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op - I feel a little sorry for you and not in a condescending way.
You sound like a guy who's more than a little frustrated with life, maybe your down on your luck. Things are not going your way and your looking around you for reasons and excuses. Misery loves company so you've decided to try and make your misfortune a group issue. It could have been any group but you've settled on your race and marital status in order to find a way of shifting the reasons and blame away from your personal self and attribute them to a group in order to soften the impact on you as an individual.
Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
Instead of focussing on creating external excuses, take an honest look inside because your lot in life and on Fab is down to you as an individual. You'll struggle to succesfully blame anyone else.
Nothing you've said on here offends me and I don't know if your a bigot, I do however believe that frustration is clouding your judgement.
Re-brand yourself, adopt a positive mental attitude and take personal responsibility for any rejections so that you can take personal joy in any future acceptance.
Good luck. "
this has got to be one of the best, most thought out reply to a thread that was threatening to turn very sour indeed! 10/10 mate, it actually gave me a little motivational boost too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op - I feel a little sorry for you and not in a condescending way.
You sound like a guy who's more than a little frustrated with life, maybe your down on your luck. Things are not going your way and your looking around you for reasons and excuses. Misery loves company so you've decided to try and make your misfortune a group issue. It could have been any group but you've settled on your race and marital status in order to find a way of shifting the reasons and blame away from your personal self and attribute them to a group in order to soften the impact on you as an individual.
Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
Instead of focussing on creating external excuses, take an honest look inside because your lot in life and on Fab is down to you as an individual. You'll struggle to succesfully blame anyone else.
Nothing you've said on here offends me and I don't know if your a bigot, I do however believe that frustration is clouding your judgement.
Re-brand yourself, adopt a positive mental attitude and take personal responsibility for any rejections so that you can take personal joy in any future acceptance.
Good luck.
this has got to be one of the best, most thought out reply to a thread that was threatening to turn very sour indeed! 10/10 mate, it actually gave me a little motivational boost too "
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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago
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"Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
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I had to block him, just too pushy. Begging me for meets every 5 minutes... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
I had to block him, just too pushy. Begging me for meets every 5 minutes..."
i know, weird one that george fella, i blocked him too, he kept wantin to bum me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
I had to block him, just too pushy. Begging me for meets every 5 minutes..."
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Would you like some ketchup for that chip on your shoulder?
Seriously, the idea that white men are unfairly discriminated against is a bit beyond the pale, so to speak. We have just concluded one of the most highly publicised race trials in British history, when less than 15 years ago a young man was stabbed to death and the whole investigation was deliberately bungled because of his skin colour, but as a single white male you're the one that has it tough?
White men have been in power for millennia across most of the western world. They have invaded, raped, pillaged, assaulted, conquered, subjugated and enslaved their way across continents.
Even today, men get higher wages than women for doing the same job. Even today, a woman who has been subjected to sexual assault will have her sexual history brought up in a court room as a way of excusing a man for raping her because "she put it out there anyway". Even today, the black aboriginal population of Australia is struggling to cope with endemic unemployment, substance abuse and other social problems because white men invaded their home, stole their land and stole their children.
White men do have legal protection. It's called the legal system. The only reason women, ethnic groups and children have specific protection is because, historically, people in authority have abused their powers and the normal legal system has been insufficient to protect the victims.
As for why no one wants to meet you...
Perhaps you're out of most people's age range? Perhaps you don't match what they're looking for? Or perhaps they don't fancy you? There are any number of reasons why you're not being successful on this site. As a previous poster has said, a sense of entitlement is extremely unattractive. Personally, I exclusively meet single men. However, I don't expect someone to want to meet me just because I'm a woman, and we're on a swinging site. Equally, I will only meet the people I feel attracted to. And I'll be damned if I change that just so no one feels discriminated against.
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Lots of people want single white men.... lots.
They just don't want the ones which come with chips on their shoulders. It is January, most of the women have started going to weight watchers.... do you know how many points are in chips! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
I had to block him, just too pushy. Begging me for meets every 5 minutes..."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would you like some ketchup for that chip on your shoulder?
Seriously, the idea that white men are unfairly discriminated against is a bit beyond the pale, so to speak. We have just concluded one of the most highly publicised race trials in British history, when less than 15 years ago a young man was stabbed to death and the whole investigation was deliberately bungled because of his skin colour, but as a single white male you're the one that has it tough?
White men have been in power for millennia across most of the western world. They have invaded, raped, pillaged, assaulted, conquered, subjugated and enslaved their way across continents.
Even today, men get higher wages than women for doing the same job. Even today, a woman who has been subjected to sexual assault will have her sexual history brought up in a court room as a way of excusing a man for raping her because "she put it out there anyway". Even today, the black aboriginal population of Australia is struggling to cope with endemic unemployment, substance abuse and other social problems because white men invaded their home, stole their land and stole their children.
White men do have legal protection. It's called the legal system. The only reason women, ethnic groups and children have specific protection is because, historically, people in authority have abused their powers and the normal legal system has been insufficient to protect the victims.
As for why no one wants to meet you...
Perhaps you're out of most people's age range? Perhaps you don't match what they're looking for? Or perhaps they don't fancy you? There are any number of reasons why you're not being successful on this site. As a previous poster has said, a sense of entitlement is extremely unattractive. Personally, I exclusively meet single men. However, I don't expect someone to want to meet me just because I'm a woman, and we're on a swinging site. Equally, I will only meet the people I feel attracted to. And I'll be damned if I change that just so no one feels discriminated against.
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Seriously, the idea that white men are unfairly discriminated against is a bit beyond the pale, so to speak. We have just concluded one of the most highly publicised race trials in British history, when less than 15 years ago a young man was stabbed to death and the whole investigation was deliberately bungled because of his skin colour, but as a single white male you're the one that has it tough?
White men have been in power for millennia across most of the western world. They have invaded, raped, pillaged, assaulted, conquered, subjugated and enslaved their way across continents.
Even today, men get higher wages than women for doing the same job. Even today, a woman who has been subjected to sexual assault will have her sexual history brought up in a court room as a way of excusing a man for raping her because "she put it out there anyway". Even today, the black aboriginal population of Australia is struggling to cope with endemic unemployment, substance abuse and other social problems because white men invaded their home, stole their land and stole their children.
White men do have legal protection. It's called the legal system. The only reason women, ethnic groups and children have specific protection is because, historically, people in authority have abused their powers and the normal legal system has been insufficient to protect the victims.
As for why no one wants to meet you...
Perhaps you're out of most people's age range? Perhaps you don't match what they're looking for? Or perhaps they don't fancy you? There are any number of reasons why you're not being successful on this site. As a previous poster has said, a sense of entitlement is extremely unattractive. Personally, I exclusively meet single men. However, I don't expect someone to want to meet me just because I'm a woman, and we're on a swinging site. Equally, I will only meet the people I feel attracted to. And I'll be damned if I change that just so no one feels discriminated against.
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"This guy is got a point in some ways!
See the book club have shot him down!
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"This guy is got a point in some ways!
See the book club have shot him down!
Okay so this flippant comment actually made as mad as the original poster has... I actually don't normally block, but am tempted to to save myself a forum ban by telling him what I truly feel..."
tbh 48 hours is not seeming that bad to me right now, but i have a meet up and i am not sure what happens to that if you are banned from thee forums, |
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"Op - I feel a little sorry for you and not in a condescending way.
You sound like a guy who's more than a little frustrated with life, maybe your down on your luck. Things are not going your way and your looking around you for reasons and excuses. Misery loves company so you've decided to try and make your misfortune a group issue. It could have been any group but you've settled on your race and marital status in order to find a way of shifting the reasons and blame away from your personal self and attribute them to a group in order to soften the impact on you as an individual.
Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
Instead of focussing on creating external excuses, take an honest look inside because your lot in life and on Fab is down to you as an individual. You'll struggle to succesfully blame anyone else.
Nothing you've said on here offends me and I don't know if your a bigot, I do however believe that frustration is clouding your judgement.
Re-brand yourself, adopt a positive mental attitude and take personal responsibility for any rejections so that you can take personal joy in any future acceptance.
Good luck. "
Words fail me...if you're not a motivational speaker you should be: a truly sympathetic response to a somewhat unsympathetic poster.
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"This guy is got a point in some ways!
See the book club have shot him down!
Okay so this flippant comment actually made as mad as the original poster has... I actually don't normally block, but am tempted to to save myself a forum ban by telling him what I truly feel..."
It's not worth the hassle Fabio, if he truly believed the op is right he would of explain why instead of making a flippant comment & running off |
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See the book club have shot him down!
Okay so this flippant comment actually made as mad as the original poster has... I actually don't normally block, but am tempted to to save myself a forum ban by telling him what I truly feel...
It's not worth the hassle Fabio, if he truly believed the op is right he would of explain why instead of making a flippant comment & running off "
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"This guy is got a point in some ways!
See the book club have shot him down!
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Book club - love it, I know who and what you mean
I've always thought of them as the "pretentious publication club", but yours is much more succinct. |
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"This guy is got a point in some ways!
See the book club have shot him down!
Okay so this flippant comment actually made as mad as the original poster has... I actually don't normally block, but am tempted to to save myself a forum ban by telling him what I truly feel...
It's not worth the hassle Fabio, if he truly believed the op is right he would of explain why instead of making a flippant comment & running off "
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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This post has me gobsmacked.
So much ha.
s been said but a few put it really well.
You get out what you put in and in you walk into a room with that attitude very few people will come near you.
I havent read your profile but I know some lovely men on here who are single and white but they have an attractive personality.
Would you meet you?
And I luuuuv single bi men mmm |
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A woman I was with recently told me that she would hate to be a single straight male these days...
I'm going to try and be objective here, not necessarily saying I agree with everything said by the OP but certainly there IS a certain amount of discriminatory behaviour towards single males in modern society.
Perhaps it is because lots of guys are not very good at behaving themselves and have given the rest of us a bad rap.
Put it this way. If I try to get into a niteclub round here, on my own, a significant number of times I will be turned away at the door, not because I am d*unk, but because the twat of a doorman decides that he doesn't like the look of me.
How often does that happen to single females? Well I suppose they don't really tend to go out on their own as much..
One time in a club in manchester a girl came up to me, didn't say anything, just grabbed me and started snogging my face off. Then walked away. She was having a competition with her friends to see how many guys they could get off with that night.
Let's turn that the other way round for a second, hypothetically. Can you imagine what would happen if guys went round clubs grabbing girls and sticking their tongues in their mouths?
Yes, sex/gender discrimination exists for both females and males... and cross genders.
As for this site, it's simply the case that there a many more guys than girls on here, so they can afford to be choosy and flippant and unkind.
Compassion though, is one female trait that I find very attractive so the girls on here would be wise to bear that in mind.
Not saying I've had many bad experiences with women on here though, most of the ones who have turned me down have been very polite about it.
Hope I don't get shot down for sharing my _iews here.
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over a year ago
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"A woman I was with recently told me that she would hate to be a single straight male these days...
I'm going to try and be objective here, not necessarily saying I agree with everything said by the OP but certainly there IS a certain amount of discriminatory behaviour towards single males in modern society.
Perhaps it is because lots of guys are not very good at behaving themselves and have given the rest of us a bad rap.
Put it this way. If I try to get into a niteclub round here, on my own, a significant number of times I will be turned away at the door, not because I am d*unk, but because the twat of a doorman decides that he doesn't like the look of me.
How often does that happen to single females? Well I suppose they don't really tend to go out on their own as much..
One time in a club in manchester a girl came up to me, didn't say anything, just grabbed me and started snogging my face off. Then walked away. She was having a competition with her friends to see how many guys they could get off with that night.
Let's turn that the other way round for a second, hypothetically. Can you imagine what would happen if guys went round clubs grabbing girls and sticking their tongues in their mouths?
Yes, sex/gender discrimination exists for both females and males... and cross genders.
As for this site, it's simply the case that there a many more guys than girls on here, so they can afford to be choosy and flippant and unkind.
Compassion though, is one female trait that I find very attractive so the girls on here would be wise to bear that in mind.
Not saying I've had many bad experiences with women on here though, most of the ones who have turned me down have been very polite about it.
Hope I don't get shot down for sharing my _iews here.
p.s. I own a copy of 'Of Woman Born' by Adriene Rich "
very good post.
I have seen similar in clubs but mostly bi woman approaching straight/ bi cur woman.
'we are what we are and it is what we make of it.'
I wouldn't have it any other way...
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"This guy is got a point in some ways!
See the book club have shot him down!
Okay so this flippant comment actually made as mad as the original poster has... I actually don't normally block, but am tempted to to save myself a forum ban by telling him what I truly feel..."
save it hes not worth the ban block he is just as silly with no hope of meeting anyone off forum now they know he is bigotted too xxxx |
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Put it this way. If I try to get into a niteclub round here, on my own, a significant number of times I will be turned away at the door, not because I am d*unk, but because the twat of a doorman decides that he doesn't like the look of me.
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I notice you say it is the 'doorman'.
Not a shootdown, but just something to think about.
I do totally agfree with the fact 'some' women take the piss and will happily think they can touch, grab, grope and lets face it... sexually assault, whoever they want whilst reserving the right to moan like a bitch if someone they don't fancy follows them for too long. |
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"A woman I was with recently told me that she would hate to be a single straight male these days...
I'm going to try and be objective here, not necessarily saying I agree with everything said by the OP but certainly there IS a certain amount of discriminatory behaviour towards single males in modern society.
Perhaps it is because lots of guys are not very good at behaving themselves and have given the rest of us a bad rap.
Put it this way. If I try to get into a niteclub round here, on my own, a significant number of times I will be turned away at the door, not because I am d*unk, but because the twat of a doorman decides that he doesn't like the look of me.
How often does that happen to single females? Well I suppose they don't really tend to go out on their own as much..
One time in a club in manchester a girl came up to me, didn't say anything, just grabbed me and started snogging my face off. Then walked away. She was having a competition with her friends to see how many guys they could get off with that night.
Let's turn that the other way round for a second, hypothetically. Can you imagine what would happen if guys went round clubs grabbing girls and sticking their tongues in their mouths?
Yes, sex/gender discrimination exists for both females and males... and cross genders.
As for this site, it's simply the case that there a many more guys than girls on here, so they can afford to be choosy and flippant and unkind.
Compassion though, is one female trait that I find very attractive so the girls on here would be wise to bear that in mind.
Not saying I've had many bad experiences with women on here though, most of the ones who have turned me down have been very polite about it.
Hope I don't get shot down for sharing my _iews here.
p.s. I own a copy of 'Of Woman Born' by Adriene Rich "
oh if you want to get into a discussion about why reverse sexism is wrong, why ads that highlight mens inadequacies(grrr that boots ad) are demeaning to men and women,how male rape and sexual harassment are treated as jokes, how we reinforce bigoted and stereotyped _iews of male behaviour, i am right behind you.
Sometimes it is as simple astwo wrongs don't make a right, at others about challenging established structures which keep the same few at the top.
However the OP made clear that he believes that laws brought in out of necessity to protect those who have been and in many cases continue to be oppressed are discriminating against him. Rather than redressing imbalances from history.
Basically your post doesnt fit into the "what about the menz" meme |
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I notice you say it is the 'doorman'.
Not a shootdown, but just something to think about.
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Well, most doormen are men, but some are women. I've never been turned away by a female door..woman though. In fact, they all seem to like me. Unfortunately though, I'm not into butch women |
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I notice you say it is the 'doorman'.
Not a shootdown, but just something to think about.
Well, most doormen are men, but some are women. I've never been turned away by a female door..woman though. In fact, they all seem to like me. Unfortunately though, I'm not into butch women "
Even more to think about. |
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Even more to think about.
care to be a little more explicit in sharing your _iews?"
OK
" I'm going to try and be objective here, not necessarily saying I agree with everything said by the OP but certainly there IS a certain amount of discriminatory behaviour towards single males in modern society."
Who have you identified as making life hard for single men on the door of the night club. |
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Who have you identified as making life hard for single men on the door of the night club."
OK that was the first thing to think about. I got that.
Is the right answer... a MAN by any chance?
Not sure what the second thing to think about is though.
As far as that goes though, it's completely irrelevant to the point I was making.
Or, if you look at this way and ask. Why is the doorMAN discriminating against me and refusing me entry?
Is it because of a overly vigilant and protectionist disposition towards maintaining the safety of women in the niteclub, or just people?
Either way you look at it it's still sex discrimination, the assumption being made all too often that I am the kind of guy who causes trouble or is a threat to women, which I am neither.
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Who have you identified as making life hard for single men on the door of the night club.
OK that was the first thing to think about. I got that.
Is the right answer... a MAN by any chance?
Not sure what the second thing to think about is though.
As far as that goes though, it's completely irrelevant to the point I was making.
Or, if you look at this way and ask. Why is the doorMAN discriminating against me and refusing me entry?
Is it because of a overly vigilant and protectionist disposition towards maintaining the safety of women in the niteclub, or just people?
Either way you look at it it's still sex discrimination, the assumption being made all too often that I am the kind of guy who causes trouble or is a threat to women, which I am neither.
EDIT - is there an chance of getting an edit feature in this forum?"
Thing is bouncers dont have time to do a series of tests to evaluate your mental health, state of mind, attitudes to woman, and a full criminal records check...they do know that most trouble will be caused by single men.
Perhaps u need to change society so that is no longer the case? |
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Yes the first thing is it's a man giving men a hard time.
The second thing to think about (and not just for you to think about).... women on the door don't give you a hard time.
In the general theme of the thread and the hard done by male... I found it an interesting thought to ponder for a moment.
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"Yes the first thing is it's a man giving men a hard time.
The second thing to think about (and not just for you to think about).... women on the door don't give you a hard time.
In the general theme of the thread and the hard done by male... I found it an interesting thought to ponder for a moment.
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well I never said I don't get a hard time from women, just never doorwomen.
Oh let me see. What about the time I was in a club and I asked for a glass of tap water. The girl behind the bar refused, and I had no money left. so I told her I was diabetic and needed rehydrating. She then waved at the doorman who promptly and without asking any questions came over and ejected me from the premises.
Something else to think about. |
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Thing is bouncers dont have time to do a series of tests to evaluate your mental health, state of mind, attitudes to woman, and a full criminal records check...they do know that most trouble will be caused by single men.
Perhaps u need to change society so that is no longer the case?"
Ummmmmmm did you just say 'most trouble will be caused by SINGLE men'?
Don't know where you get that from.
What about the guy who squares up to you for 'looking at his bird'?
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women are largely granted custody of children
men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion |
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"Yes the first thing is it's a man giving men a hard time.
The second thing to think about (and not just for you to think about).... women on the door don't give you a hard time.
In the general theme of the thread and the hard done by male... I found it an interesting thought to ponder for a moment.
well I never said I don't get a hard time from women, just never doorwomen.
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And that's what I said.
I also said it wasn't a shootdown... just something to think about.
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I also said it wasn't a shootdown... just something to think about.
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Got that, but did you get the point I was making?
I'm not really sure because all you keep saying is 'something to think about' which could mean anything.
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"women are largely granted custody of children
men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion"
Yeah and the vast majority of women are in lower paid jobs than men... blah blah blah.
I am not saying it doesn't happen.
I am not saying it is right.
But it is odd how a lot of guys seem to get through life without it being an issue because they focus on the good stuff and feel their glass is more than half full.
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"Op - I feel a little sorry for you and not in a condescending way.
You sound like a guy who's more than a little frustrated with life, maybe your down on your luck. Things are not going your way and your looking around you for reasons and excuses. Misery loves company so you've decided to try and make your misfortune a group issue. It could have been any group but you've settled on your race and marital status in order to find a way of shifting the reasons and blame away from your personal self and attribute them to a group in order to soften the impact on you as an individual.
Your not the only one who attempts to do this but i must tell you your argument is flawed, do you think George Clooney would struggle on here?
Instead of focussing on creating external excuses, take an honest look inside because your lot in life and on Fab is down to you as an individual. You'll struggle to succesfully blame anyone else.
Nothing you've said on here offends me and I don't know if your a bigot, I do however believe that frustration is clouding your judgement.
Re-brand yourself, adopt a positive mental attitude and take personal responsibility for any rejections so that you can take personal joy in any future acceptance.
Good luck.
Words fail me...if you're not a motivational speaker you should be: a truly sympathetic response to a somewhat unsympathetic poster.
I salute you sir."
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men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion
Yeah and the vast majority of women are in lower paid jobs than men... blah blah blah.
I am not saying it doesn't happen.
I am not saying it is right.
But it is odd how a lot of guys seem to get through life without it being an issue because they focus on the good stuff and feel their glass is more than half full.
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Like I said no point continually complaining you have to play with the hand your dealt |
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"Like I said no point continually complaining you have to play with the hand your dealt "
Where would we be today if that had been the attitude of the majority of people throughout the women's rights movement. |
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"women are largely granted custody of children
men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion"
ok men now i am cross ok wom,en now get custody of there children it was not always the case women were once in this country considered protery of men first there fathers and then there husbands
husbands could cheat on wife even throw her out but keep the children i think u will find it change in the 1800 but don't quote me it might be more recent than that so misinform please before u start on children and women and how hard done by u r remember women have fought again in this country white males for every single right they have to be just as good as them
at which point i think quote any women aiming to be as good as a man is not aiming high enough |
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Something I thought....
Sometimes it is men who are the ones trying to put men at the bottom of the food chain... to use the OP's phrase.
You only have to look at the hundreds of comments from men about other men...
"they give the rest of us a bad name"
"I am gen not like the others on here"
Not to mention the sickening arse licking from Rimmers Utd when a couple or fem moans about 'a' message or 'a' man knocking them back. How quickly some men will turn on their fellow man, put the whloe gender down and then emphasise how they are different and so should be excluded for their trashing.
Some 'people' are c*nts regardless of gender or race.
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Some 'people' are c*nts regardless of gender or race.
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A fair comment. Here's something to think about on top of that.
From a taoist point of _iew perhaps, the notion that we all have a masculine and a feminine side- which 'side' (regardless of 'gender') is responsible for such 'c*ntish' behaviour? |
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"women are largely granted custody of children
men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion
ok men now i am cross ok wom,en now get custody of there children it was not always the case women were once in this country considered protery of men first there fathers and then there husbands
husbands could cheat on wife even throw her out but keep the children i think u will find it change in the 1800 but don't quote me it might be more recent than that so misinform please before u start on children and women and how hard done by u r remember women have fought again in this country white males for every single right they have to be just as good as them
at which point i think quote any women aiming to be as good as a man is not aiming high enough "
so going from one extreme to the other doesnt make it right - each case should be considered on it's merits not an automatic assumption one way or the other |
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"sadly it's a Brit thing ( not all )
rather than raise your game, drag the achiever down."
maybe u have a point here but wouldn't know as irish
and he is one of those oh so fortune asians
so when we go out single white males like to ask me if i can't do any better then a asian only they r not as polite with there language  xxxx |
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"Something I thought....
Sometimes it is men who are the ones trying to put men at the bottom of the food chain... to use the OP's phrase.
You only have to look at the hundreds of comments from men about other men...
"they give the rest of us a bad name"
"I am gen not like the others on here"
Not to mention the sickening arse licking from Rimmers Utd when a couple or fem moans about 'a' message or 'a' man knocking them back. How quickly some men will turn on their fellow man, put the whloe gender down and then emphasise how they are different and so should be excluded for their trashing.
Some 'people' are c*nts regardless of gender or race.
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totally agree there was a poster on here earlier asking for comments on his profile he had 3 sentences making those same points |
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"It's great being a single guy. I love it!
The positives are too many to list. The day may come when I settle down again, but that's a looong way away!"
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Some 'people' are c*nts regardless of gender or race.
A fair comment. Here's something to think about on top of that.
From a taoist point of _iew perhaps, the notion that we all have a masculine and a feminine side- which 'side' (regardless of 'gender') is responsible for such 'c*ntish' behaviour?"
Both... and I honestly believe that.
It will be for different motives/reasons... but I do believe both.
The question should have been which is more often... |
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I find that getting off your backside, changing your attitude and getting on with life the best you can works best. Having a chip on your shoulder and spending your time whinging about everything is neither sexy nor the kind of attitude that endears you to other people.
Life deals us all crap hands at time, but what is important is how we deal with those crap hands. See them as opportunities not as reasons to be kicked down or to stay in the gutter.
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"women are largely granted custody of children
men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion
ok men now i am cross ok wom,en now get custody of there children it was not always the case women were once in this country considered protery of men first there fathers and then there husbands
husbands could cheat on wife even throw her out but keep the children i think u will find it change in the 1800 but don't quote me it might be more recent than that so misinform please before u start on children and women and how hard done by u r remember women have fought again in this country white males for every single right they have to be just as good as them
at which point i think quote any women aiming to be as good as a man is not aiming high enough "
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Thing is bouncers dont have time to do a series of tests to evaluate your mental health, state of mind, attitudes to woman, and a full criminal records check...they do know that most trouble will be caused by single men.
Perhaps u need to change society so that is no longer the case?
Ummmmmmm did you just say 'most trouble will be caused by SINGLE men'?
Don't know where you get that from.
What about the guy who squares up to you for 'looking at his bird'?
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Both... and I honestly believe that.
It will be for different motives/reasons... but I do believe both.
The question should have been which is more often... "
Are you sure about that?
The general 'male' trait is to dominate and control, and often destroy in the process. OTOH the 'female' trait is to nurture and protect, to show compassion as opposed to being competitive. |
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Both... and I honestly believe that.
It will be for different motives/reasons... but I do believe both.
The question should have been which is more often...
Are you sure about that?
The general 'male' trait is to dominate and control, and often destroy in the process. OTOH the 'female' trait is to nurture and protect, to show compassion as opposed to being competitive."
Yep I am sure... like I said it will be for different motives.. and I added...the question should have been which is more often. |
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"women are largely granted custody of children
men are still currently charged more for car insurance
single men are charged more for entry to clubs in general
men are more likely to find themselves homeless
there are aruements for and against the above and life is generally swings and roundabouts - but I think that is what the OP was trying to say originally before he clumsily brought race into the the discussion
ok men now i am cross ok wom,en now get custody of there children it was not always the case women were once in this country considered protery of men first there fathers and then there husbands
husbands could cheat on wife even throw her out but keep the children i think u will find it change in the 1800 but don't quote me it might be more recent than that so misinform please before u start on children and women and how hard done by u r remember women have fought again in this country white males for every single right they have to be just as good as them
at which point i think quote any women aiming to be as good as a man is not aiming high enough
It sounds like you're blaming the men of today for crimes/wrongs that other men in history committed, then you finish with a sexist statement.
Hardly the way forward, is it? "
no i was making a point that u seem to have forgotton that women have had to fight for rights of there children and were second class citzens and they got off there arse and made it happen so if single males want to be thought better of perhaps here is idea behave better then they might be |
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ITs at times like this I like to turn to mr Louis CK
"If you’re white and you don’t admit that it’s great, you’re an asshole. It is great and I’m a man. How many advantages can one person have? I’m a white man, you can’t even hurt my feelings. What can you really call a white man that really digs deep? Hey cracker … oh ruined my day. Boy shouldn’t have called me a cracker, bringing me back to owning land and people what a drag."
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I don't think it really helps the "society is prejudiced against males" angle to cite such relatively trivial things as not getting into nightclubs and occasionally being portrayed as silly in adverts. Women are more likely than men to suffer actual hardships like sexual violence and being held back in their career due to gender.
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"I don't think it really helps the "society is prejudiced against males" angle to cite such relatively trivial things as not getting into nightclubs and occasionally being portrayed as silly in adverts.
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What if it was a man of african or west indian descent getting refused entry to a niteclub, would it be a trivial matter then?
Would it be suffice to say that a single black male is less likely to be refused entry than a single white male, on the grounds that there could also potentially be a race discrimination issue?
The problem also with adverts that persistently portray the man as the underdog is that this idea then slowly but surely seeps into the mindset of people and becomes the template upon which people base their judgments and react to social situations. Young women grow up into the world thinking that way. Young mew grow up feeling disenfranchised, and then what happens.. |
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"I don't think it really helps the "society is prejudiced against males" angle to cite such relatively trivial things as not getting into nightclubs and occasionally being portrayed as silly in adverts.
What if it was a man of african or west indian descent getting refused entry to a niteclub, would it be a trivial matter then?
Would it be suffice to say that a single black male is less likely to be refused entry than a single white male, on the grounds that there could also potentially be a race discrimination issue?
The problem also with adverts that persistently portray the man as the underdog is that this idea then slowly but surely seeps into the mindset of people and becomes the template upon which people base their judgments and react to social situations. Young women grow up into the world thinking that way. Young mew grow up feeling disenfranchised, and then what happens.."
It's actually the other way around, the ads dont create new myths and stereotypes but perpetuate existing ones, just with new ways of saying them.
In the 50's women were shamed into buying an oven cleaner, now its suggested oven cleaning is unmanly.its the same stay in the kitchen woman idea.
We need to challenge the basic assumptions underpinning society and the roles capitalism imposes...
But thats another thread
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It's actually the other way around, the ads dont create new myths and stereotypes but perpetuate existing ones, just with new ways of saying them.
In the 50's women were shamed into buying an oven cleaner, now its suggested oven cleaning is unmanly.its the same stay in the kitchen woman idea.
We need to challenge the basic assumptions underpinning society and the roles capitalism imposes...
But thats another thread
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Oven cleaning is unmanly?
I take you aren't referring to the Mr Muscle adverts then, or are you? They always portray a y looking guy, yes that's right a guy doing the cleaning. Haven't watched many adverts recently though so that might be a bit out of date.
I'm afraid I take the traditional _iew that if a couple have kinds, one of them should be at home to look after them at all times, whether it's the man or the woman or both working part time.
Anyway, I'm talking in general, not just adverts, TV, films..
A lot of them also tend to suggest that it's quite alright for women to hit men, when they do something wrong. This involves pouring drinks over their heads, slapping them, kicking them in the nether regions. these things are all portrayed as harmless and comedic as well. |
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It's actually the other way around, the ads dont create new myths and stereotypes but perpetuate existing ones, just with new ways of saying them.
In the 50's women were shamed into buying an oven cleaner, now its suggested oven cleaning is unmanly.its the same stay in the kitchen woman idea.
We need to challenge the basic assumptions underpinning society and the roles capitalism imposes...
But thats another thread
Oven cleaning is unmanly?
I take you aren't referring to the Mr Muscle adverts then, or are you? They always portray a y looking guy, yes that's right a guy doing the cleaning. Haven't watched many adverts recently though so that might be a bit out of date.
I'm afraid I take the traditional _iew that if a couple have kinds, one of them should be at home to look after them at all times, whether it's the man or the woman or both working part time.
Anyway, I'm talking in general, not just adverts, TV, films..
A lot of them also tend to suggest that it's quite alright for women to hit men, when they do something wrong. This involves pouring drinks over their heads, slapping them, kicking them in the nether regions. these things are all portrayed as harmless and comedic as well."
Mr Muscle was launched in the mid 80's.
...maybe Jem is referring to a different ad/brand that ran a campaign in the 50's? |
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Or you could live off takeaways and that way no one is stuck in the kitchen. Except who is going to unwrap the kebab and put it on a plate... don't know what I'd do without her.
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It's actually the other way around, the ads dont create new myths and stereotypes but perpetuate existing ones, just with new ways of saying them.
In the 50's women were shamed into buying an oven cleaner, now its suggested oven cleaning is unmanly.its the same stay in the kitchen woman idea.
We need to challenge the basic assumptions underpinning society and the roles capitalism imposes...
But thats another thread
Oven cleaning is unmanly?
I take you aren't referring to the Mr Muscle adverts then, or are you? They always portray a y looking guy, yes that's right a guy doing the cleaning. Haven't watched many adverts recently though so that might be a bit out of date.
I'm afraid I take the traditional _iew that if a couple have kinds, one of them should be at home to look after them at all times, whether it's the man or the woman or both working part time.
Anyway, I'm talking in general, not just adverts, TV, films..
A lot of them also tend to suggest that it's quite alright for women to hit men, when they do something wrong. This involves pouring drinks over their heads, slapping them, kicking them in the nether regions. these things are all portrayed as harmless and comedic as well.
Mr Muscle was launched in the mid 80's.
...maybe Jem is referring to a different ad/brand that ran a campaign in the 50's?"
It was the general trend of advertising in the 50;s i was referring too, it is really interesting if you look at the crap male meme in advertising how it is actually the crap at jobs traditionally defined as female meme.Insinuating certain things are unmanly and thereby perpetuating stereotypes.
i am not sure who see's any violence as comedic, but i watch very little commercial tv...except ncis and then im too busy lusting after abby.
However there are groups fighting this kind of idea in the more serious arenas of domestic violence and male rape. We are getting into what about the menz territory now though.
If you see injustice fight it, dont try to stop the fight others have made/are making for equality
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i am not sure who see's any violence as comedic, but i watch very little commercial tv...except ncis and then im too busy lusting after abby.
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"I don't think it really helps the "society is prejudiced against males" angle to cite such relatively trivial things as not getting into nightclubs and occasionally being portrayed as silly in adverts.
What if it was a man of african or west indian descent getting refused entry to a niteclub, would it be a trivial matter then?
Would it be suffice to say that a single black male is less likely to be refused entry than a single white male, on the grounds that there could also potentially be a race discrimination issue?
The problem also with adverts that persistently portray the man as the underdog is that this idea then slowly but surely seeps into the mindset of people and becomes the template upon which people base their judgments and react to social situations. Young women grow up into the world thinking that way. Young mew grow up feeling disenfranchised, and then what happens.."
Yes, being refused entry to a night club on racial grounds would less trivial. Who is more likely to cause violent trouble in a club, men or women? Clearly men, so its not unreasonable that bouncers keep some men out. Who is more likely to cause trouble, black men or white men? I couldn't say. I don't imagine there's much difference. So it would be racist to discriminate here.
And I don't deny that adverts/media can affect society. But the point of my post was about relative harm - it frustrates me to see men whining about adverts (and women are often portrayed equally badly in adverts/media - as purely sex objects, for example) as some kind of example of the oppression of men, when we have it so, so easy relative to other groups.
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Yes, being refused entry to a night club on racial grounds would less trivial. Who is more likely to cause violent trouble in a club, men or women? Clearly men, so its not unreasonable that bouncers keep some men out. Who is more likely to cause trouble, black men or white men? I couldn't say. I don't imagine there's much difference. So it would be racist to discriminate here.
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Two scenarios. 1. Single guy, a little d*unk but holding it together tries to get in a club. 2. Slightly d*unk guy tries to get in club with girlfriend.
Which is more likely to happen?
Which guy is more likely to cause trouble, the single guy or the one who has a girlfriend, but gets a wee bit jealous sometimes when other guys looks at her?
How do you make a judgment as a doorman?
You don't, the guy who has the girlfriend gets in but the single guy doesn't, or if one of them is going to get knocked back then it's likely to be the single guy.
There are many forms of discrimination in society, and some may seem trivial, until you are the one being discriminated against.
Oh and by the way, the last time i was refused entry into a club it was by a black doorman. The white guy on the door was happy to let me in, but this black dude took an instant dislike to me and knocked me back.
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Haha it's the old question -
"how much you had to drink tonight pal?"
"One or two...."
"sorry mate, you've had too much!"
Bouncers are generally arseholes that think they have the power of life and death, well more fool you, I'm not the one dealing with d*unks or freezing my arse off in the rain at 1am! |
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"Haha it's the old question -
"how much you had to drink tonight pal?"
"One or two...."
"sorry mate, you've had too much!"
Bouncers are generally arseholes that think they have the power of life and death, well more fool you, I'm not the one dealing with d*unks or freezing my arse off in the rain at 1am! "
I've been turned away from places after having had only one or two, but after the arsehole on the door has made his decision there is usually no going back on it. My mate missed all but the last 10 minutes of a gig he paid for once because he had a dodgy foot, and the moron on the door mistook him for being d*unk. |
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Yes, being refused entry to a night club on racial grounds would less trivial. Who is more likely to cause violent trouble in a club, men or women? Clearly men, so its not unreasonable that bouncers keep some men out. Who is more likely to cause trouble, black men or white men? I couldn't say. I don't imagine there's much difference. So it would be racist to discriminate here.
Two scenarios. 1. Single guy, a little d*unk but holding it together tries to get in a club. 2. Slightly d*unk guy tries to get in club with girlfriend.
Which is more likely to happen?
Which guy is more likely to cause trouble, the single guy or the one who has a girlfriend, but gets a wee bit jealous sometimes when other guys looks at her?
How do you make a judgment as a doorman?
You don't, the guy who has the girlfriend gets in but the single guy doesn't, or if one of them is going to get knocked back then it's likely to be the single guy.
There are many forms of discrimination in society, and some may seem trivial, until you are the one being discriminated against.
Oh and by the way, the last time i was refused entry into a club it was by a black doorman. The white guy on the door was happy to let me in, but this black dude took an instant dislike to me and knocked me back.
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"Haha it's the old question -
"how much you had to drink tonight pal?"
"One or two...."
"sorry mate, you've had too much!"
Bouncers are generally arseholes that think they have the power of life and death, well more fool you, I'm not the one dealing with d*unks or freezing my arse off in the rain at 1am! "
no your the one bitching about them on a shagging site whilst they are at home shagging someone they have pulled |
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if you cant see the difference between being peeved because you are refused entry into a club and being murdered because of your skin colour then there is little point in any discussion with you. "
Feel free to skip over my posts any time you like if you're having difficulty grasping the intricacies of my argument. |
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over a year ago
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This is a place to air _iews and I applaud those that do. When somebody posts messages like this 'gentlema' I do wonder if the person is being serious.
Your attitude is all wrong. How can you find common ground with people whose Outlook is so much more accepting than your own? Sexual preference is a subject where race may matter to some, but you have suddenly turned political. I truly hope we never do meet. |
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over a year ago
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if you cant see the difference between being peeved because you are refused entry into a club and being murdered because of your skin colour then there is little point in any discussion with you.
Feel free to skip over my posts any time you like if you're having difficulty grasping the intricacies of my argument. "
as a black dude... i think you are trying to shoehorn a completley different issue into the thread..... which had turned it into something completly different...
the thing about clubs is that you see this... R.O.A.R.... Rights Over Admission Reserved... means then can refuse you for any reason they like...
you decided to see "colour" there... when it may not have been that....
Have I been refused entry into nightclubs before... sure....
do i let it eat me up like it seems to have with you..... nope!!! |
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as a black dude... i think you are trying to shoehorn a completley different issue into the thread..... which had turned it into something completly different...
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It's a funny thing mentioning colour and race in arguments like this, people are often all to quick to pass judgment and make assumptions.
I was simply pointing out the fact that the doorman was black. I did not in any way suggest that his motives for turning me away were race related, more that I COULD have taken it that way same as a black man could have if he was turned away by a white guy.
It is my opinion first and foremost that they guy was being an arsehole, however let's consider, hypothetically, if I had been a single black guys. I have absolutely no doubt then that I would have gotten in.
I'm just trying to analyse the situation, look at it from every angle, I'm not trying to shoehorn the thread into a race debate. |
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if you cant see the difference between being peeved because you are refused entry into a club and being murdered because of your skin colour then there is little point in any discussion with you.
Feel free to skip over my posts any time you like if you're having difficulty grasping the intricacies of my argument. "
if that is meant to be an insult you have to try a lot harder...when u post an intricate argument i will tell you frankly your just boring me, unintelligent men do |
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Feel free to skip over my posts any time you like if you're having difficulty grasping the intricacies of my argument.
if that is meant to be an insult you have to try a lot harder...when u post an intricate argument i will tell you frankly your just boring me, unintelligent men do "
I'm not here to get into a pointless bickering match with you.
And do you always include smileys faces when you insult people?
Hey but you're not the first person to call me stupid, I'm just glad it wasn't someone like you who marked my physics papers else I wouldn't have passed with first class honours |
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Didt realise when I put this up that it would attract so much interest ...SOME quite bizarre.... however, if i may go back to my original point
Are we ( single guys ) "frowned upon " for
Attitude
Timewasting
Too many of us
Simples !!!!!! |
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"Didt realise when I put this up that it would attract so much interest ...SOME quite bizarre.... however, if i may go back to my original point
Are we ( single guys ) "frowned upon " for
Attitude
Timewasting
Too many of us
Simples !!!!!!"
Attitude is not just a single man's problem. It is also one for couple and women too. I find being nice works wonders, not being offensive and being charming and interested works wonders too. I'm sure some people like the 'want a fuck' neanderthal approach, but many people are slightly more sophisticated than that. I'm looking for someone to chat too to. Life is more interesting that way.
Time wasting is a trait of all mixes of singles, couples, women, bi, straight, curious. There are more single men, so more implication that single men time waste.
Too many just means women and couples and other men don't have to deal with the ones who have an attitude or who time waste.
Life is simply too short to worry about it. And any form of communication on a website is dependent on the parties involved and their mood at the time.
I've spoken to some great people, met a few too, I've had fun, I've met some really nice people. I've been blanked by hundreds more though! In the words of a certain Ms Tate, Am I bovvered? Frankly, no. |
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Feel free to skip over my posts any time you like if you're having difficulty grasping the intricacies of my argument.
if that is meant to be an insult you have to try a lot harder...when u post an intricate argument i will tell you frankly your just boring me, unintelligent men do
I'm not here to get into a pointless bickering match with you.
And do you always include smileys faces when you insult people?
Hey but you're not the first person to call me stupid, I'm just glad it wasn't someone like you who marked my physics papers else I wouldn't have passed with first class honours "
dont even try to get into a pissing contest about academic qualifications with me...
the smileys are because you are making me laugh. |
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over a year ago
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"Didt realise when I put this up that it would attract so much interest ...SOME quite bizarre.... however, if i may go back to my original point
Are we ( single guys ) "frowned upon " for
Attitude
Timewasting
Too many of us
Simples !!!!!!"
YOU were the person who changed the tone of thread, no one else!
it is not "single guys" who are frowned upon... it is individuals who make a prat of themselves...
for example... the attitude shown by you in the first post is not anywhere near as potentially nasty and vile as the attitude shown by you in post where you changed the tone of the conversation...
again... the key words are "YOU"....
you don't speak for me.... I don't speak for you.... and we certainly don't speak for all "single guys"......
you create your own perception.. no one elses.... |
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I find some of the responses here both astonishing, but not surprising. From my own POV I'm not sure if the OP is really putting forward his _iews from a bigoted POV or simply that he is just failing to express himself very well.
I think the original point about single males (irrespective of race) (if that's what the intended point was) being the underdog, the bottom of the chain in the world of swinging is certainly true, but of course it really depends on whether or not you are an alpha male or not doesn't it...
I think generally speaking in modern society the male of the species does suffer a degree of discrimination, albiet in a lesser form to women pre-the women's lib movement.
I'm sure back in those days when women were fighting to be accepted as equals in society their cries were met with a similarly disproportionate level of ridicule and distain. But that is one of the hallmarks of discriminatory behaviour if you think about it, that those who discriminate donot realise or are willing to accept that they are being so.
Anyway, hope I didn't offend anyone with my _iews, if I did I didn't mean to. |
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Beau what are you complaining about this is the most popular topic in here
I am thinking you will get hundreds of messages
most admittedly will take the piss and some might even accuse you of racism but you never know there might just be a "BOTTOM FEEDER" looking lol |
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Im afraid it could just be u and the way you message people!
A white male friend of mine hasnt been active on here in months, he sent a few messages to couples on friday as he just fancied a meet, and got two offers that night!
So you see...single males do get meets on here!! |
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I appreciate, that everyone has an axe to grind, but most white males and females lived in bondage or servitude for the greater part of the 1,000's of years you are all rattling on about.
The OP has a chip, balance him by giving him another so his load is spread, not by parading your own. |
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First of all I am not complaining ..and this is not necessarily my _iews ...It was a simple question and as you very correctly pointed out there have been many responses with people putting their _iews forward ...some valid ,some not so valid ( again my _iew only ) in answer to one gentleman ...i have not changed the thread at all , indeed i have repeated the same point on each of my posts ....isnt that waht its about .... PLEASE NOTE - I am certainly no racist .... i also dont have a chip on my shoulder and if i get direct messages (which i have and so far no piss-taking ) I will eventually get round to responding ....i also think that your description of bottom feeders insinuates that people on here arent genuine ....read my first thread ...thats one of my points also |
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There are many forms of discrimination in society, and some may seem trivial, until you are the one being discriminated against."
I have to say again, it is relative. No one has a perfect life. If I, as a single man, sometimes don't get into a club I will live with that when compared to the much more serious risks woman have when on a night out, for example that whilst in that club, someone may try and drug and subsequently rape you.
Men should be aware of the concept of male privilege and not, as the OP does, assume attempts at addressing inequality somehow mean straight white men are missing out - we are already more than equal in society.
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There are many forms of discrimination in society, and some may seem trivial, until you are the one being discriminated against.
I have to say again, it is relative. No one has a perfect life. If I, as a single man, sometimes don't get into a club I will live with that when compared to the much more serious risks woman have when on a night out, for example that whilst in that club, someone may try and drug and subsequently rape you.
Men should be aware of the concept of male privilege and not, as the OP does, assume attempts at addressing inequality somehow mean straight white men are missing out - we are already more than equal in society.
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That happened to a gay friend of mine once (male)
It depends on your definition of equal. I'm pretty sure that yourself, as a single white male with your rippling muscles and all gets his fair share of the pie.
Don't forget though that others don't so often, because of the way society is they just don't get to meet the right people on a regular basis. And if you happen to be one of those people and you decide to go to a club for a night out, and you get turned away then it becomes a big deal. |
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There are many forms of discrimination in society, and some may seem trivial, until you are the one being discriminated against.
I have to say again, it is relative. No one has a perfect life. If I, as a single man, sometimes don't get into a club I will live with that when compared to the much more serious risks woman have when on a night out, for example that whilst in that club, someone may try and drug and subsequently rape you.
Men should be aware of the concept of male privilege and not, as the OP does, assume attempts at addressing inequality somehow mean straight white men are missing out - we are already more than equal in society.
That happened to a gay friend of mine once (male)
It depends on your definition of equal. I'm pretty sure that yourself, as a single white male with your rippling muscles and all gets his fair share of the pie.
Don't forget though that others don't so often, because of the way society is they just don't get to meet the right people on a regular basis. And if you happen to be one of those people and you decide to go to a club for a night out, and you get turned away then it becomes a big deal."
very well put!. |
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"Lots of people want single white men.... lots.
They just don't want the ones which come with chips on their shoulders. It is January, most of the women have started going to weight watchers.... do you know how many points are in chips!"
the amount of points in a chip depends if they are fried, grilled, with or without sauce. many varialbles to consider |
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I am really a black man but the flash was too bright on my camera so the photos dont really do me any justice
Seems to have taken a few inch off the cock as well in my photos for some reason. Hmmmm me thinks I must get that camera checked out some time soon |
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"In normal life we are bottom of food chain ...and on here the same ...WHY ? is it because of our attitude towards ladies and couples ? or is it because there are so many that say"single" and arent , and therefore arrange meets and dont show up and are ,in general timewasters
i am not sure in which area single white guys come bottom of any food chain "
In the area of white maneating lions of course !
I'm surprised you don't already know that!
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