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"I just went to look at the prices of an event I'd be interested in attending later this year. You know what, I can afford it, but they can stick it up there arse as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate that there are a lot of single men on this site, more than any other group of people. Does that honestly justify the prices we're charged in Clubs and Festivals? You do realise not every wealthy person is a good person. Not every poor person isn't serious or good company. In all honesty I'd rather all you Club Owners and Festival Organisers were a bit more selective about who you allowed to attend, rather than price those of us who cannot afford to go.. or those of who choose not to go, because we don't appreciate being treated like dirt. I'll stick to Private Meets and Group Socials. Where people can filter me out based on my personality, rather than my bank balance. Time to organise my own thing, I think." And thats the best thing for you to do. | |||
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"I just went to look at the prices of an event I'd be interested in attending later this year. You know what, I can afford it, but they can stick it up there arse as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate that there are a lot of single men on this site, more than any other group of people. Does that honestly justify the prices we're charged in Clubs and Festivals? You do realise not every wealthy person is a good person. Not every poor person isn't serious or good company. In all honesty I'd rather all you Club Owners and Festival Organisers were a bit more selective about who you allowed to attend, rather than price those of us who cannot afford to go.. or those of who choose not to go, because we don't appreciate being treated like dirt. I'll stick to Private Meets and Group Socials. Where people can filter me out based on my personality, rather than my bank balance. Time to organise my own thing, I think. And thats the best thing for you to do. " I'm learning then? Thank fook. | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys." one like you, do. So many won't - because the temptation of seeing sex going on around them and possibly being invited in, is too much. And for many, they enjoy the social aspect as well as the sex and want to be a part of that scene. | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys." Presumably they already do, and that’s why the prices are what they are.  | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys." I think if you do what you are saying in your OP you will find it is not so simple as men bring the money in. Good luck. Be sure to keep us informed. | |||
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"It's not about saying only the guys with money can come. It's about limiting numbers so the guys who come want to be there and have made an investment in their money. For some that means saving it for big events that they're really interested in, or going once a month where they might like to go weekly. More porn, strip clubs, prostitutes etc are aimed at men than they are women or couples - men are prepared to pay for sex in its various forms. So if it was £20 for guys to get into clubs, they'd be over run. This way it filters out some of the men who think sod it, it's only a tenner - I'll get in, shag some slut then pop off to the pub after. Are there drawbacks to this system? Yes, of course, but amongst the alternative fall out of equality is wall to wall men who were curious and thought they'd give it a go as it's so cheap. And fewer couples and even fewer single women. I was in a club on Friday where one guy walked in, said there's too many blokes here for my liking and walked out. Lots more of that if the prices were cheaper. Even at the higher prices men still come in their droves. " I'm not suggesting these places let more men in, I'm suggesting they base it off something other than finances. In my experience, it's wealthy people that tend to be the bigger arseholes in life. More prepared to climb on the backs of others to get what they want. Not true of all well off people I know, just the majority I've met. I understand your point about it being over run. That's easily changeable if these business applied the same criteria that most people use when selecting someone on here. I appreciate this reads as a hard done by, randy angry male thread. I'm really not that bothered if I'm honest. I know I'm capable of organising my own event if I so choose. It just gets on my wick a bit. Especially when the advice from lots of people here to new people is "Go to a club, prove your serious". Prove I'm a gullible fool more like. | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys. I think if you do what you are saying in your OP you will find it is not so simple as men bring the money in. Good luck. Be sure to keep us informed." Keep you informed? Of what? If I organise anything, it won't be for profit. It'll be for the love of doing it. I'm not in this for money. | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys. one like you, do. So many won't - because the temptation of seeing sex going on around them and possibly being invited in, is too much. And for many, they enjoy the social aspect as well as the sex and want to be a part of that scene. " As do I. I'd love to go.. but I can't justify it to myself. Nobody treats me that way and gets my friendship. | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys." They already do By buying their wives handbags, and spa weekends, so they can go shagging random women in clubs | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys. Presumably they already do, and that’s why the prices are what they are. "Oh you're so witty | |||
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"It's not about saying only the guys with money can come. It's about limiting numbers so the guys who come want to be there and have made an investment in their money. For some that means saving it for big events that they're really interested in, or going once a month where they might like to go weekly. More porn, strip clubs, prostitutes etc are aimed at men than they are women or couples - men are prepared to pay for sex in its various forms. So if it was £20 for guys to get into clubs, they'd be over run. This way it filters out some of the men who think sod it, it's only a tenner - I'll get in, shag some slut then pop off to the pub after. Are there drawbacks to this system? Yes, of course, but amongst the alternative fall out of equality is wall to wall men who were curious and thought they'd give it a go as it's so cheap. And fewer couples and even fewer single women. I was in a club on Friday where one guy walked in, said there's too many blokes here for my liking and walked out. Lots more of that if the prices were cheaper. Even at the higher prices men still come in their droves. I'm not suggesting these places let more men in, I'm suggesting they base it off something other than finances. In my experience, it's wealthy people that tend to be the bigger arseholes in life. More prepared to climb on the backs of others to get what they want. Not true of all well off people I know, just the majority I've met. I understand your point about it being over run. That's easily changeable if these business applied the same criteria that most people use when selecting someone on here. I appreciate this reads as a hard done by, randy angry male thread. I'm really not that bothered if I'm honest. I know I'm capable of organising my own event if I so choose. It just gets on my wick a bit. Especially when the advice from lots of people here to new people is "Go to a club, prove your serious". Prove I'm a gullible fool more like. " You're missing the point of what I'm saying - they're not picking the guys with the big wallets. Lots of clubs do pre-select or do an interview for membership. Just because a man has paid the £55 to get Ito Libs doesn't mean it's peanuts to him - he may have saved for 3 months to go to HWC or put away a tenner over a few weeks to go on alternate months. And by the way - how judgemental do you sound talking about people you consider to be wealthy? There are loads of people earning decent money who are also decent people. Where are you ending that? And where are you drawing that line? Scrape the chip of your shoulder why don't you? | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys. I think if you do what you are saying in your OP you will find it is not so simple as men bring the money in. Good luck. Be sure to keep us informed. Keep you informed? Of what? If I organise anything, it won't be for profit. It'll be for the love of doing it. I'm not in this for money. " I didnt say you were. I want to know if your events/socials that you are going to organise are popular. | |||
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"It's not about saying only the guys with money can come. It's about limiting numbers so the guys who come want to be there and have made an investment in their money. For some that means saving it for big events that they're really interested in, or going once a month where they might like to go weekly. More porn, strip clubs, prostitutes etc are aimed at men than they are women or couples - men are prepared to pay for sex in its various forms. So if it was £20 for guys to get into clubs, they'd be over run. This way it filters out some of the men who think sod it, it's only a tenner - I'll get in, shag some slut then pop off to the pub after. Are there drawbacks to this system? Yes, of course, but amongst the alternative fall out of equality is wall to wall men who were curious and thought they'd give it a go as it's so cheap. And fewer couples and even fewer single women. I was in a club on Friday where one guy walked in, said there's too many blokes here for my liking and walked out. Lots more of that if the prices were cheaper. Even at the higher prices men still come in their droves. I'm not suggesting these places let more men in, I'm suggesting they base it off something other than finances. In my experience, it's wealthy people that tend to be the bigger arseholes in life. More prepared to climb on the backs of others to get what they want. Not true of all well off people I know, just the majority I've met. I understand your point about it being over run. That's easily changeable if these business applied the same criteria that most people use when selecting someone on here. I appreciate this reads as a hard done by, randy angry male thread. I'm really not that bothered if I'm honest. I know I'm capable of organising my own event if I so choose. It just gets on my wick a bit. Especially when the advice from lots of people here to new people is "Go to a club, prove your serious". Prove I'm a gullible fool more like. You're missing the point of what I'm saying - they're not picking the guys with the big wallets. Lots of clubs do pre-select or do an interview for membership. Just because a man has paid the £55 to get Ito Libs doesn't mean it's peanuts to him - he may have saved for 3 months to go to HWC or put away a tenner over a few weeks to go on alternate months. And by the way - how judgemental do you sound talking about people you consider to be wealthy? There are loads of people earning decent money who are also decent people. Where are you ending that? And where are you drawing that line? Scrape the chip of your shoulder why don't you? " I think you missed my point. I did say.. it wasn't true for all. Wear my shoes Single woman. See how your chip grows. I'm quite a chilled out person in all honesty. Regardless of all this inequality. Despite the rant, I'm not too fussed. | |||
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"Single Men are what keep a lot of these business afloat. Speak with your wallets boys. I think if you do what you are saying in your OP you will find it is not so simple as men bring the money in. Good luck. Be sure to keep us informed. Keep you informed? Of what? If I organise anything, it won't be for profit. It'll be for the love of doing it. I'm not in this for money. I didnt say you were. I want to know if your events/socials that you are going to organise are popular. " The one group social I organised was. Only, I decided to keep it small. | |||
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"It's not about saying only the guys with money can come. It's about limiting numbers so the guys who come want to be there and have made an investment in their money. For some that means saving it for big events that they're really interested in, or going once a month where they might like to go weekly. More porn, strip clubs, prostitutes etc are aimed at men than they are women or couples - men are prepared to pay for sex in its various forms. So if it was £20 for guys to get into clubs, they'd be over run. This way it filters out some of the men who think sod it, it's only a tenner - I'll get in, shag some slut then pop off to the pub after. Are there drawbacks to this system? Yes, of course, but amongst the alternative fall out of equality is wall to wall men who were curious and thought they'd give it a go as it's so cheap. And fewer couples and even fewer single women. I was in a club on Friday where one guy walked in, said there's too many blokes here for my liking and walked out. Lots more of that if the prices were cheaper. Even at the higher prices men still come in their droves. I'm not suggesting these places let more men in, I'm suggesting they base it off something other than finances. In my experience, it's wealthy people that tend to be the bigger arseholes in life. More prepared to climb on the backs of others to get what they want. Not true of all well off people I know, just the majority I've met. I understand your point about it being over run. That's easily changeable if these business applied the same criteria that most people use when selecting someone on here. I appreciate this reads as a hard done by, randy angry male thread. I'm really not that bothered if I'm honest. I know I'm capable of organising my own event if I so choose. It just gets on my wick a bit. Especially when the advice from lots of people here to new people is "Go to a club, prove your serious". Prove I'm a gullible fool more like. You're missing the point of what I'm saying - they're not picking the guys with the big wallets. Lots of clubs do pre-select or do an interview for membership. Just because a man has paid the £55 to get Ito Libs doesn't mean it's peanuts to him - he may have saved for 3 months to go to HWC or put away a tenner over a few weeks to go on alternate months. And by the way - how judgemental do you sound talking about people you consider to be wealthy? There are loads of people earning decent money who are also decent people. Where are you ending that? And where are you drawing that line? Scrape the chip of your shoulder why don't you? I think you missed my point. I did say.. it wasn't true for all. Wear my shoes Single woman. See how your chip grows. I'm quite a chilled out person in all honesty. Regardless of all this inequality. Despite the rant, I'm not too fussed. " Evidence to the contrary. I'm out. It's too nice a day to argue. | |||
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"It's not about saying only the guys with money can come. It's about limiting numbers so the guys who come want to be there and have made an investment in their money. For some that means saving it for big events that they're really interested in, or going once a month where they might like to go weekly. More porn, strip clubs, prostitutes etc are aimed at men than they are women or couples - men are prepared to pay for sex in its various forms. So if it was £20 for guys to get into clubs, they'd be over run. This way it filters out some of the men who think sod it, it's only a tenner - I'll get in, shag some slut then pop off to the pub after. Are there drawbacks to this system? Yes, of course, but amongst the alternative fall out of equality is wall to wall men who were curious and thought they'd give it a go as it's so cheap. And fewer couples and even fewer single women. I was in a club on Friday where one guy walked in, said there's too many blokes here for my liking and walked out. Lots more of that if the prices were cheaper. Even at the higher prices men still come in their droves. I'm not suggesting these places let more men in, I'm suggesting they base it off something other than finances. In my experience, it's wealthy people that tend to be the bigger arseholes in life. More prepared to climb on the backs of others to get what they want. Not true of all well off people I know, just the majority I've met. I understand your point about it being over run. That's easily changeable if these business applied the same criteria that most people use when selecting someone on here. I appreciate this reads as a hard done by, randy angry male thread. I'm really not that bothered if I'm honest. I know I'm capable of organising my own event if I so choose. It just gets on my wick a bit. Especially when the advice from lots of people here to new people is "Go to a club, prove your serious". Prove I'm a gullible fool more like. You're missing the point of what I'm saying - they're not picking the guys with the big wallets. Lots of clubs do pre-select or do an interview for membership. Just because a man has paid the £55 to get Ito Libs doesn't mean it's peanuts to him - he may have saved for 3 months to go to HWC or put away a tenner over a few weeks to go on alternate months. And by the way - how judgemental do you sound talking about people you consider to be wealthy? There are loads of people earning decent money who are also decent people. Where are you ending that? And where are you drawing that line? Scrape the chip of your shoulder why don't you? I think you missed my point. I did say.. it wasn't true for all. Wear my shoes Single woman. See how your chip grows. I'm quite a chilled out person in all honesty. Regardless of all this inequality. Despite the rant, I'm not too fussed. Evidence to the contrary. I'm out. It's too nice a day to argue. " Good. | |||
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"We enjoy clubs and have visited plenty but if I was a single male I wouldn't entertain the entrance fee. Most of the drama we have witnessed in clubs are from pissed up single fems who have paid £0 to get in at a lot of clubs." Yet they are charged up to £100 less than me, who'd never dream of causing any problems in a club, pissed or not. Thankyou for saying your piece. | |||
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"What criteria would be used to judge entry though? Everyone has different standards, different desires and different views of what is acceptable. What happens if the club owner has a dislike for a certain character trait? Unfortunately, entry fee is the only fair equaliser as it doesn’t impose personal standards/bias. As long as you can meet the basic requirements, you are then free to be whoever." I think you know the standards I'm referring to. That's be the owners discretion. It's their business. If they want to base their model on maximum profit rinsing desperate single men, that's on them. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. " Exactly. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. " This; you beat me to saying it | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. This; you beat me to saying it" I think we know the answer as to why they don't. Why the price is hiked so far above the Couples and Women's prices. Like I said, speak with your wallet. You can socialise for free with decent people at Socials and parties. Sod the big clubs and big events. Why give them your hard earned money if they've zero respect for you as a customer. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. This; you beat me to saying it I think we know the answer as to why they don't. Why the price is hiked so far above the Couples and Women's prices. Like I said, speak with your wallet. You can socialise for free with decent people at Socials and parties. Sod the big clubs and big events. Why give them your hard earned money if they've zero respect for you as a customer." Yep speak with your wallet and don't go. It may make you feel better, but won't change a thing. Successful clubs have more than enough single men to fill those places. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. " Some clubs do. Some don't. Their business. Their choice. | |||
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"You also need to attract women, or else the clubs won't work for most of the population. As a woman, going to a (new) club is partly a risk (and when it was completely new the idea was scary). We're socialised to consider these things differently, to perhaps be more risk averse, etc. Less "allowed", socially, to enjoy the kinds of pleasures a club can bring. The price being lower is a factor when considering whether to take the plunge. The differential troubles me somewhat, but I'm not sure there's a good solution otherwise. " I'd disagree with you're programmed different comment. Why is it more risky for you than me? | |||
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"We do the clubs and always found it a bit off that single guys do get charged at lot more than couples and women. I think singles the same price and more for couples as there is 2 of you! There is a new club opened near me who want £400 membership fees! Plus you pay to get in too. Way too pricey. We are pretty ok for money but no way would we pay that when other clubs are cheaper. " It makes me happy to read that there are couples and women who also think it's not exactly fair that we're treated this way as men. Thankyou. | |||
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"We do the clubs and always found it a bit off that single guys do get charged at lot more than couples and women. I think singles the same price and more for couples as there is 2 of you! There is a new club opened near me who want £400 membership fees! Plus you pay to get in too. Way too pricey. We are pretty ok for money but no way would we pay that when other clubs are cheaper. It makes me happy to read that there are couples and women who also think it's not exactly fair that we're treated this way as men. Thankyou. " And I’ve been to club nights where there’s been hardly no men because of the high prices. Limit ticket sales to all sexes so there is equal amount of people going. | |||
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"You also need to attract women, or else the clubs won't work for most of the population. As a woman, going to a (new) club is partly a risk (and when it was completely new the idea was scary). We're socialised to consider these things differently, to perhaps be more risk averse, etc. Less "allowed", socially, to enjoy the kinds of pleasures a club can bring. The price being lower is a factor when considering whether to take the plunge. The differential troubles me somewhat, but I'm not sure there's a good solution otherwise. I'd disagree with you're programmed different comment. Why is it more risky for you than me?" It's not necessarily more risky. But, from childhood, girls are told to guard their bodies and their "purity" in a way that boys often aren't. Stud/ player versus slag/ slut. It plays out on here, too. And when bad things happen, it's often considered a woman's fault, even when it's clearly not. Overcoming that is incredibly challenging, and many women can't or don't. So it's one more thing to get us over that hurdle. It's a smaller investment to try this thing we've been told our whole lives will ruin our lives. | |||
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"It's not about saying only the guys with money can come. It's about limiting numbers so the guys who come want to be there and have made an investment in their money. For some that means saving it for big events that they're really interested in, or going once a month where they might like to go weekly. More porn, strip clubs, prostitutes etc are aimed at men than they are women or couples - men are prepared to pay for sex in its various forms. So if it was £20 for guys to get into clubs, they'd be over run. This way it filters out some of the men who think sod it, it's only a tenner - I'll get in, shag some slut then pop off to the pub after. Are there drawbacks to this system? Yes, of course, but amongst the alternative fall out of equality is wall to wall men who were curious and thought they'd give it a go as it's so cheap. And fewer couples and even fewer single women. I was in a club on Friday where one guy walked in, said there's too many blokes here for my liking and walked out. Lots more of that if the prices were cheaper. Even at the higher prices men still come in their droves. I'm not suggesting these places let more men in, I'm suggesting they base it off something other than finances. In my experience, it's wealthy people that tend to be the bigger arseholes in life. More prepared to climb on the backs of others to get what they want. Not true of all well off people I know, just the majority I've met. I understand your point about it being over run. That's easily changeable if these business applied the same criteria that most people use when selecting someone on here. I appreciate this reads as a hard done by, randy angry male thread. I'm really not that bothered if I'm honest. I know I'm capable of organising my own event if I so choose. It just gets on my wick a bit. Especially when the advice from lots of people here to new people is "Go to a club, prove your serious". Prove I'm a gullible fool more like. " You're right actually, it's almost always the more well off men talking about their fancy cars and important jobs and bullshit who assume that they're entitled to touch me without asking when I'm at clubs. There's definitely got to be a better way to do it. | |||
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"Thought you were skint OP?" I was thinking the same | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. " 
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities. | |||
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"You also need to attract women, or else the clubs won't work for most of the population. As a woman, going to a (new) club is partly a risk (and when it was completely new the idea was scary). We're socialised to consider these things differently, to perhaps be more risk averse, etc. Less "allowed", socially, to enjoy the kinds of pleasures a club can bring. The price being lower is a factor when considering whether to take the plunge. The differential troubles me somewhat, but I'm not sure there's a good solution otherwise. I'd disagree with you're programmed different comment. Why is it more risky for you than me? It's not necessarily more risky. But, from childhood, girls are told to guard their bodies and their "purity" in a way that boys often aren't. Stud/ player versus slag/ slut. It plays out on here, too. And when bad things happen, it's often considered a woman's fault, even when it's clearly not. Overcoming that is incredibly challenging, and many women can't or don't. So it's one more thing to get us over that hurdle. It's a smaller investment to try this thing we've been told our whole lives will ruin our lives. " I'm bisexual. I face similair misconceptions and prejudices to women who feel they've to behave a certain way. I get where you're coming from, I really do. I just don't think it's fair on you to be made to feel that way, or me to be charged extra, because I have a penis between my legs. | |||
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"When I was a single man the pricing in this game often felt a little like a pyramid scheme (single men on the bottom subsidising everyone else). Having said that as part of a couple it would get pricy if we both had to pay a high price each. So I can't deny being the beneficiary of this pricing now. Maybe it's not fair per se, there are winners and losers. But seems to have worked. Let's face it (If I may be so callous) the thing that most people prize at events and clubs is women and couples so it makes sense to incentivise them to come. After all it would be crap for men looking to play with women if the women and couples have gone else were. " Pretty good explanation. Bit like life in general really isn't it? Those who HAVE looking after themselves by shitting on those who HAVEN'T. | |||
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"You also need to attract women, or else the clubs won't work for most of the population. As a woman, going to a (new) club is partly a risk (and when it was completely new the idea was scary). We're socialised to consider these things differently, to perhaps be more risk averse, etc. Less "allowed", socially, to enjoy the kinds of pleasures a club can bring. The price being lower is a factor when considering whether to take the plunge. The differential troubles me somewhat, but I'm not sure there's a good solution otherwise. I'd disagree with you're programmed different comment. Why is it more risky for you than me? It's not necessarily more risky. But, from childhood, girls are told to guard their bodies and their "purity" in a way that boys often aren't. Stud/ player versus slag/ slut. It plays out on here, too. And when bad things happen, it's often considered a woman's fault, even when it's clearly not. Overcoming that is incredibly challenging, and many women can't or don't. So it's one more thing to get us over that hurdle. It's a smaller investment to try this thing we've been told our whole lives will ruin our lives. I'm bisexual. I face similair misconceptions and prejudices to women who feel they've to behave a certain way. I get where you're coming from, I really do. I just don't think it's fair on you to be made to feel that way, or me to be charged extra, because I have a penis between my legs." I'm not unsympathetic to bi males. But that stigma is not the same as being told that everything sexual is your fault and having to do everything (don't drink, don't go out, but don't be afraid of everything, is your skirt asking for it or are you frigid etc) to prevent being attacked since we'll before puberty. At worst, men can hide being bi (I hide my sexuality when I have to). I can't hide being female. And sometimes it does make you a target. It's just not the same. | |||
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"Thought you were skint OP?" I am. Hence the annoyance. I'm not going to save up months and months of wages to be treated like a second rate citizen of Fab. I'm better than that, deserve more, worth more. | |||
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"You also need to attract women, or else the clubs won't work for most of the population. As a woman, going to a (new) club is partly a risk (and when it was completely new the idea was scary). We're socialised to consider these things differently, to perhaps be more risk averse, etc. Less "allowed", socially, to enjoy the kinds of pleasures a club can bring. The price being lower is a factor when considering whether to take the plunge. The differential troubles me somewhat, but I'm not sure there's a good solution otherwise. I'd disagree with you're programmed different comment. Why is it more risky for you than me? It's not necessarily more risky. But, from childhood, girls are told to guard their bodies and their "purity" in a way that boys often aren't. Stud/ player versus slag/ slut. It plays out on here, too. And when bad things happen, it's often considered a woman's fault, even when it's clearly not. Overcoming that is incredibly challenging, and many women can't or don't. So it's one more thing to get us over that hurdle. It's a smaller investment to try this thing we've been told our whole lives will ruin our lives. I'm bisexual. I face similair misconceptions and prejudices to women who feel they've to behave a certain way. I get where you're coming from, I really do. I just don't think it's fair on you to be made to feel that way, or me to be charged extra, because I have a penis between my legs. I'm not unsympathetic to bi males. But that stigma is not the same as being told that everything sexual is your fault and having to do everything (don't drink, don't go out, but don't be afraid of everything, is your skirt asking for it or are you frigid etc) to prevent being attacked since we'll before puberty. At worst, men can hide being bi (I hide my sexuality when I have to). I can't hide being female. And sometimes it does make you a target. It's just not the same. " I didn't say it was the same. I said I empathise. There are more parralels than you might realise though. | |||
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"... So then don't. There are other ways. And some gender equal clubs. " I don't. it shouldn't stop me from spouting off at the ridiculousness of it though, should it? Perhaps save another man from making a costly mistake. | |||
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"... So then don't. There are other ways. And some gender equal clubs. I don't. it shouldn't stop me from spouting off at the ridiculousness of it though, should it? Perhaps save another man from making a costly mistake." Why is it a mistake? Guys can see the prices and make their own minds up. I know plenty of guys who enjoy going as single guys. It might be unsavoury, but the pricing structure is the way it is. | |||
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"You also need to attract women, or else the clubs won't work for most of the population. As a woman, going to a (new) club is partly a risk (and when it was completely new the idea was scary). We're socialised to consider these things differently, to perhaps be more risk averse, etc. Less "allowed", socially, to enjoy the kinds of pleasures a club can bring. The price being lower is a factor when considering whether to take the plunge. The differential troubles me somewhat, but I'm not sure there's a good solution otherwise. I'd disagree with you're programmed different comment. Why is it more risky for you than me? It's not necessarily more risky. But, from childhood, girls are told to guard their bodies and their "purity" in a way that boys often aren't. Stud/ player versus slag/ slut. It plays out on here, too. And when bad things happen, it's often considered a woman's fault, even when it's clearly not. Overcoming that is incredibly challenging, and many women can't or don't. So it's one more thing to get us over that hurdle. It's a smaller investment to try this thing we've been told our whole lives will ruin our lives. I'm bisexual. I face similair misconceptions and prejudices to women who feel they've to behave a certain way. I get where you're coming from, I really do. I just don't think it's fair on you to be made to feel that way, or me to be charged extra, because I have a penis between my legs. I'm not unsympathetic to bi males. But that stigma is not the same as being told that everything sexual is your fault and having to do everything (don't drink, don't go out, but don't be afraid of everything, is your skirt asking for it or are you frigid etc) to prevent being attacked since we'll before puberty. At worst, men can hide being bi (I hide my sexuality when I have to). I can't hide being female. And sometimes it does make you a target. It's just not the same. I didn't say it was the same. I said I empathise. There are more parralels than you might realise though." I know more than you think I do, and you're overstating your case. | |||
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"... So then don't. There are other ways. And some gender equal clubs. I don't. it shouldn't stop me from spouting off at the ridiculousness of it though, should it? Perhaps save another man from making a costly mistake. Why is it a mistake? Guys can see the prices and make their own minds up. I know plenty of guys who enjoy going as single guys. It might be unsavoury, but the pricing structure is the way it is. " It is, can I just ask.. what's my individual financial situation got to do with this thread anyway? Seems a bit unessercarry, irrelevant and mean to bring that into this. The mistake being, it's what men need to do to get a verification or be seen as serious about meeting. That's terrible advice in my opinion. | |||
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"... So then don't. There are other ways. And some gender equal clubs. I don't. it shouldn't stop me from spouting off at the ridiculousness of it though, should it? Perhaps save another man from making a costly mistake. Why is it a mistake? Guys can see the prices and make their own minds up. I know plenty of guys who enjoy going as single guys. It might be unsavoury, but the pricing structure is the way it is. It is, can I just ask.. what's my individual financial situation got to do with this thread anyway? Seems a bit unessercarry, irrelevant and mean to bring that into this. The mistake being, it's what men need to do to get a verification or be seen as serious about meeting. That's terrible advice in my opinion. " I didn't mention your financial situation. It's not a mistake or terrible advice. Rightly or wrongly, many people won't meet those without meet verifications. Going to a club means you're very likely to get a verification, a positive one if you behave yourself. It's a way in. And you might well enjoy it (and because drinks are often relatively inexpensive, BYO booze, and drinking a lot is discouraged, it could even be cheaper for some than a night out. And potentially wilder!). | |||
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"... So then don't. There are other ways. And some gender equal clubs. I don't. it shouldn't stop me from spouting off at the ridiculousness of it though, should it? Perhaps save another man from making a costly mistake. Why is it a mistake? Guys can see the prices and make their own minds up. I know plenty of guys who enjoy going as single guys. It might be unsavoury, but the pricing structure is the way it is. It is, can I just ask.. what's my individual financial situation got to do with this thread anyway? Seems a bit unessercarry, irrelevant and mean to bring that into this. The mistake being, it's what men need to do to get a verification or be seen as serious about meeting. That's terrible advice in my opinion. I didn't mention your financial situation. It's not a mistake or terrible advice. Rightly or wrongly, many people won't meet those without meet verifications. Going to a club means you're very likely to get a verification, a positive one if you behave yourself. It's a way in. And you might well enjoy it (and because drinks are often relatively inexpensive, BYO booze, and drinking a lot is discouraged, it could even be cheaper for some than a night out. And potentially wilder!). " But going to a group social is more effective and free. | |||
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"To the people saying it’s to limit numbers - how does a higher cost limit numbers? That makes no sense. The most obvious and sensible way to limit number of males would be to restrict the number of Male tickets on sale." Exactly. It's about maximising profit and nothing else. Makes me wonder why clubs are allowed to advertise their services. Yet an individual who wants to do the same, for the benefit of the swinging community isn't allowed to advertise. | |||
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"To the people saying it’s to limit numbers - how does a higher cost limit numbers? That makes no sense. The most obvious and sensible way to limit number of males would be to restrict the number of Male tickets on sale." The Argument is that it acts as a deterrent. But anyone with any common seance can see through that argument. It may deter some but not that vast majority. In fact in some cases it promotes a seance of entitlement. | |||
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"I just went to look at the prices of an event I'd be interested in attending later this year. You know what, I can afford it, but they can stick it up there arse as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate that there are a lot of single men on this site, more than any other group of people. Does that honestly justify the prices we're charged in Clubs and Festivals? You do realise not every wealthy person is a good person. Not every poor person isn't serious or good company. In all honesty I'd rather all you Club Owners and Festival Organisers were a bit more selective about who you allowed to attend, rather than price those of us who cannot afford to go.. or those of who choose not to go, because we don't appreciate being treated like dirt. I'll stick to Private Meets and Group Socials. Where people can filter me out based on my personality, rather than my bank balance. Time to organise my own thing, I think." How do you mean selective? Raising the price for an overrepresented group is the traditional tactic for reducing numbers. Its nothing to do with your bank balance, a swingers/sex party isnt thinking of the bottom few %hand to mouth crowd when they set the price at 30, 60 or 90 for single males. Theyre just thinking its a reasonable enough number to out those doing it for a laugh and getting ones who take it a bit more seriously. Unless we're talking like 4 figure entrance fee in which case it may be a sugar dad party with vetting process | |||
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"I don't think anything is likely to change anytime soon as apart from couples only nights there are always far more single men than couples or single females when we go to a club." I'd expect you both to say that. | |||
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"I don't think anything is likely to change anytime soon as apart from couples only nights there are always far more single men than couples or single females when we go to a club. I'd expect you both to say that." But the thing is... it's true. I've been at clubs where I've gone with a (male) friend and the only other people in attendance have been men. Or 15 to 1 man to woman. It's intimidating, and I'm pretty seasoned at this stage. | |||
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"I don't think anything is likely to change anytime soon as apart from couples only nights there are always far more single men than couples or single females when we go to a club. I'd expect you both to say that. But the thing is... it's true. I've been at clubs where I've gone with a (male) friend and the only other people in attendance have been men. Or 15 to 1 man to woman. It's intimidating, and I'm pretty seasoned at this stage. " like we've already established. There are other ways to do things, rather than hiking prices. Buuut if you want to hang out in that environment with people like that, then that's your decision. Personally I don't. For reasons stated. | |||
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"I don't think anything is likely to change anytime soon as apart from couples only nights there are always far more single men than couples or single females when we go to a club. I'd expect you both to say that. But the thing is... it's true. I've been at clubs where I've gone with a (male) friend and the only other people in attendance have been men. Or 15 to 1 man to woman. It's intimidating, and I'm pretty seasoned at this stage. like we've already established. There are other ways to do things, rather than hiking prices. Buuut if you want to hang out in that environment with people like that, then that's your decision. Personally I don't. For reasons stated. " Uh... I don't choose to be horribly outnumbered. And people like what, pray tell? Clubs are amazing places. For everybody! If they don't suit you, don't go... | |||
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"I don't think anything is likely to change anytime soon as apart from couples only nights there are always far more single men than couples or single females when we go to a club. I'd expect you both to say that. But the thing is... it's true. I've been at clubs where I've gone with a (male) friend and the only other people in attendance have been men. Or 15 to 1 man to woman. It's intimidating, and I'm pretty seasoned at this stage. like we've already established. There are other ways to do things, rather than hiking prices. Buuut if you want to hang out in that environment with people like that, then that's your decision. Personally I don't. For reasons stated. Uh... I don't choose to be horribly outnumbered. And people like what, pray tell? Clubs are amazing places. For everybody! If they don't suit you, don't go... " I don't, I keep saying that. You on the other hand, keep moaning about being outnumbered. I think you know what I'm saying. They aren't for everyone. Far from it. Even if I had the cash to waste, I wouldn't go on my own again. This was a thread more reactionary to a festival price, that I'd have loved to have attended. Only the price difference has put me off. Clubs hold zero interest for me after my experiences at them. I'd say they're the opposite of amazing places. | |||
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"I'm not moaning. I'm pointing out that clubs get plenty of guys. " I never said they didn't. It's clear you and I disagree on this issue. Both capable of fighting our corner and both have the endurance to continue the battle. Let's not do that. Let's agree to disagree? | |||
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"There are 2 thought on this , one is that that to limit the number of men in a club , there is nothing worse for a couple than to be hounded and followed everywhere , especially when you are just getting started . Second thought is and we have had it before where single guys who have paid a lot simply feel because they have paid a lot of money that they can touch or join in thinking they have paid for the privalage. And this is where is goes wrong. The other thing that bugs me is swingers holiday again where you pay a massive premium just to be with likeminded couples and singles , £500/night to stay in Mexico and similar in Jamaica,and don't get me started on a 2 week swingers cruise some 7000 each I think people should use fab on holiday to stop these rip off companies. Perhaps fab should put up a holiday board with country and dates you are away " I think Fab does it's fair share if I'm honest. It's one of the few sites where things are totally equal.. and Free if you choose not to pay. | |||
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"I just went to look at the prices of an event I'd be interested in attending later this year. You know what, I can afford it, but they can stick it up there arse as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate that there are a lot of single men on this site, more than any other group of people. Does that honestly justify the prices we're charged in Clubs and Festivals? You do realise not every wealthy person is a good person. Not every poor person isn't serious or good company. In all honesty I'd rather all you Club Owners and Festival Organisers were a bit more selective about who you allowed to attend, rather than price those of us who cannot afford to go.. or those of who choose not to go, because we don't appreciate being treated like dirt. I'll stick to Private Meets and Group Socials. Where people can filter me out based on my personality, rather than my bank balance. Time to organise my own thing, I think." Why moan here about it. Just do as you said and don’t attend if you don’t want to pay the fee! Clubs charge high prices as there are too many men attend. | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex." Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities. "That's exactly how I see it too. Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare? | |||
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"I just went to look at the prices of an event I'd be interested in attending later this year. You know what, I can afford it, but they can stick it up there arse as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate that there are a lot of single men on this site, more than any other group of people. Does that honestly justify the prices we're charged in Clubs and Festivals? You do realise not every wealthy person is a good person. Not every poor person isn't serious or good company. In all honesty I'd rather all you Club Owners and Festival Organisers were a bit more selective about who you allowed to attend, rather than price those of us who cannot afford to go.. or those of who choose not to go, because we don't appreciate being treated like dirt. I'll stick to Private Meets and Group Socials. Where people can filter me out based on my personality, rather than my bank balance. Time to organise my own thing, I think. Why moan here about it. Just do as you said and don’t attend if you don’t want to pay the fee! Clubs charge high prices as there are too many men attend. " Everyone moans about something on here, it's not as if I'm spamming the Forum with complaints is it. Normal behaviour is quite happy-go-lucky and helpful. Am I not allowed an opinion on it, just because it doesn't tie in with everyone else's. To be fair I'd say the comments are a 50-50 split, so maybe there's something in what I'm saying? | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! " In all honesty, I feel that a club is a great place for single women who are concerned. The staff were excellent and security spot on. You'd be very safe if you went where I went. | |||
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"I just went to look at the prices of an event I'd be interested in attending later this year. You know what, I can afford it, but they can stick it up there arse as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate that there are a lot of single men on this site, more than any other group of people. Does that honestly justify the prices we're charged in Clubs and Festivals? You do realise not every wealthy person is a good person. Not every poor person isn't serious or good company. In all honesty I'd rather all you Club Owners and Festival Organisers were a bit more selective about who you allowed to attend, rather than price those of us who cannot afford to go.. or those of who choose not to go, because we don't appreciate being treated like dirt. I'll stick to Private Meets and Group Socials. Where people can filter me out based on my personality, rather than my bank balance. Time to organise my own thing, I think. Why moan here about it. Just do as you said and don’t attend if you don’t want to pay the fee! Clubs charge high prices as there are too many men attend. " What's wrong with getting some feedback? | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare? "I've no idea. I dress occasionally, but I'd not use it to get round the entrance fee. I'd feel like I'm at a fancy dress party on my own. Another club geared towards men only has a TV night I know that's very popular. It's also dirt cheap by comparison. No annual membership. Better facilities. Free food on a Sunday. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare? "Some gay/bi sauna's have similar odd pricing..e.g tv's get in free /discounted price whereby admirers will subsidise the tv's, almost copying the heterosexual model of free admission for women. Like you OP i simply dont pay,no loss to me.. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare?
Some gay/bi sauna's have similar odd pricing..e.g tv's get in free /discounted price whereby admirers will subsidise the tv's, almost copying the heterosexual model of free admission for women.
Like you OP i simply dont pay,no loss to me.."So, whoever gets the dick inside them goes free, or gets in cheaper? Is it because they are more sought after in clubs? | |||
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"Clubs could have a quota of single men they allow in and charge everyone the same price. I remember going to dance clubs years ago where women got in free before 9.30pm, but men didn't. I don't know what their reasoning was back then." Men follow the women. if clubs full of hotties before 9.30 that's where men will head too. | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare?
Some gay/bi sauna's have similar odd pricing..e.g tv's get in free /discounted price whereby admirers will subsidise the tv's, almost copying the heterosexual model of free admission for women.
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare?
Some gay/bi sauna's have similar odd pricing..e.g tv's get in free /discounted price whereby admirers will subsidise the tv's, almost copying the heterosexual model of free admission for women.
Like you OP i simply dont pay,no loss to me..
So, whoever gets the dick inside them goes free, or gets in cheaper?
Is it because they are more sought after in clubs?
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone.
Charging men more just hints that they're paying for 'something'. Everyone should pay the same. They're all using the same facilities.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Anyone know how the prices for TVs compare?
Some gay/bi sauna's have similar odd pricing..e.g tv's get in free /discounted price whereby admirers will subsidise the tv's, almost copying the heterosexual model of free admission for women.
Like you OP i simply dont pay,no loss to me..
So, whoever gets the dick inside them goes free, or gets in cheaper?
Is it because they are more sought after in clubs?
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"When we used to go to clubs we could never get our heads around the pricing policy . As a couple we expected to pay more as there were 2 of us , but other than having to pay more than a single woman , we paid way less than single guys in every club we went to . Club owners would insist it was because the female half of a couple , like the single women , would offer the opportunity for single men to have a bit of fun . Which clearly meant they would be willing to pay the extortionate price to get in . I think that’s wrong , and it should be the same price for everyone , men , women , TVs , and couples maybe not quite double the price but maybe a bit more than a single . The fact that women get in for nothing makes me think it’s all wrong as the club owners only do this to lure men into spending a fortune on the slim chance that they may get to shag one of women who attend . Men would be much better off spending their money on a sure shag I think . " I do too. Nice to read experienced swingers aren't all following the club line | |||
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"When we used to go to clubs we could never get our heads around the pricing policy . As a couple we expected to pay more as there were 2 of us , but other than having to pay more than a single woman , we paid way less than single guys in every club we went to . Club owners would insist it was because the female half of a couple , like the single women , would offer the opportunity for single men to have a bit of fun . Which clearly meant they would be willing to pay the extortionate price to get in . I think that’s wrong , and it should be the same price for everyone , men , women , TVs , and couples maybe not quite double the price but maybe a bit more than a single . The fact that women get in for nothing makes me think it’s all wrong as the club owners only do this to lure men into spending a fortune on the slim chance that they may get to shag one of women who attend . Men would be much better off spending their money on a sure shag I think . " ....and women like me squew the figures somewhat as I don't play with single men. Only there for the ladies and couples. | |||
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"When we used to go to clubs we could never get our heads around the pricing policy . As a couple we expected to pay more as there were 2 of us , but other than having to pay more than a single woman , we paid way less than single guys in every club we went to . Club owners would insist it was because the female half of a couple , like the single women , would offer the opportunity for single men to have a bit of fun . Which clearly meant they would be willing to pay the extortionate price to get in . I think that’s wrong , and it should be the same price for everyone , men , women , TVs , and couples maybe not quite double the price but maybe a bit more than a single . The fact that women get in for nothing makes me think it’s all wrong as the club owners only do this to lure men into spending a fortune on the slim chance that they may get to shag one of women who attend . Men would be much better off spending their money on a sure shag I think . ....and women like me squew the figures somewhat as I don't play with single men. Only there for the ladies and couples." Still eye candy for them though | |||
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"When we used to go to clubs we could never get our heads around the pricing policy . As a couple we expected to pay more as there were 2 of us , but other than having to pay more than a single woman , we paid way less than single guys in every club we went to . Club owners would insist it was because the female half of a couple , like the single women , would offer the opportunity for single men to have a bit of fun . Which clearly meant they would be willing to pay the extortionate price to get in . I think that’s wrong , and it should be the same price for everyone , men , women , TVs , and couples maybe not quite double the price but maybe a bit more than a single . The fact that women get in for nothing makes me think it’s all wrong as the club owners only do this to lure men into spending a fortune on the slim chance that they may get to shag one of women who attend . Men would be much better off spending their money on a sure shag I think . ....and women like me squew the figures somewhat as I don't play with single men. Only there for the ladies and couples. Still eye candy for them though "Lol yeh suppose so. | |||
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"Clubs could have a quota of single men they allow in and charge everyone the same price. I remember going to dance clubs years ago where women got in free before 9.30pm, but men didn't. I don't know what their reasoning was back then." Most clubs do have a quota but they also have higher prices. The men need to subsidise the women as the women wouldn't pay to go otherwise. Take th3 example before 15 men 1 woman if ken pay 50 and the woman 10 thats 760 quid. If everyone pays the same it brings it to £47.50 each do we really think the lady is going to pay that? And if she doesnt do you think the 15 men are paying it for a club with no women? | |||
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"I personally don't like gendered pricing. Prices that allow single women in for cheap make me feel like I'm being used for bait. That's probably why I've never attended an event that allows women in for free. I mostly attend events that are the same price for everyone. The more expensive events I have gone to have also been the same price for women and everyone had to have either met the organisers or be vetted by someone who regularly attends. They also tried to keep a rough balance between men and women. I also sometimes feel like charging men through the nose makes some of them feel like they're owed something by attending." | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! " No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x | |||
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"I personally don't like gendered pricing. Prices that allow single women in for cheap make me feel like I'm being used for bait. That's probably why I've never attended an event that allows women in for free. I mostly attend events that are the same price for everyone. The more expensive events I have gone to have also been the same price for women and everyone had to have either met the organisers or be vetted by someone who regularly attends. They also tried to keep a rough balance between men and women. I also sometimes feel like charging men through the nose makes some of them feel like they're owed something by attending." What about the men's annual membership fee? Are you taking that into accounts at events? £200+ in some instances. Or is that ok? Just the £30-40? Or is it just the entry fee on the night that makes you feel like bait? | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x" Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part  The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively. | |||
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"From a woman’s point of view. WE want to go somewhere where we’ll be SAFE. Even a few men can be intimidating. Swinging is for all sexes/genders, for socialising, as well as the obvious, not just for men to get a quick fuck. So if keeping prices high, all the better, and the guys that throw their toys out the Pham when they don’t get laid, shame on you. Most need to learn manners, and how to communicate. " Hiking the price doesn't improve the quality of men. Unless you're if the belief richer or more desperate men are a better class of poorer, or less desperate men. That's my whole point. Price hike does NOTHING to improve your quality of experience. I'd argue it lowers it if anything. | |||
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"Most clubs let women in for free, because it’s a fact that most women earn a lot less than men. Especially singles/single mothers. If they start charging women more, then there will obviously be a lot less, even none. Then there will be an even more ‘men to women’ ratio. Really. " Sorry. I disagree with that entirely. It's about getting women in for the couples and luring in the more desperate and curious men. | |||
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"From a woman’s point of view. WE want to go somewhere where we’ll be SAFE. Even a few men can be intimidating. Swinging is for all sexes/genders, for socialising, as well as the obvious, not just for men to get a quick fuck. So if keeping prices high, all the better, and the guys that throw their toys out the Pham when they don’t get laid, shame on you. Most need to learn manners, and how to communicate. " How does keeping the price high make any difference to the standard of male? | |||
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"I don't get the whole "charge them more to limit the numbers" thing. Why can't they just have a set number of places for single men and when it's full, it's full? Charge the same for everyone. " I agree with this idea. It's sad that single men have to pay more than single women. Limited spaces for each would be a good shout. Esp if people have to travel from other places. | |||
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"Letting women in clubs for free is not ‘baiting’, please stop using that term. Women go to clubs, by choice, because they want to swing! Because it’s safer than a Vanilla club. If you feel like bait don’t go! " If the cap fits. Whether that's the intention or not, it's how it's perceived. If you're a club owner and don't like it, perhaps it's time you rethought your policy? Listen.. I know there is a MASSIVE numbers difference on here. Men as much as any other group, don't want a sausage fest at a mixed sex club. I know that discrimination based on character is still discrimination and no better than pricing. Personally that's how I'd operate it though. I'd either limit the numbers each night, or men by invitation only. Keep the price the same. I think most men would understand that. It'd encourage them to be better behaved and remain better behaved. More understanding. | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively. "I think the issue is having the confidence for a single woman to actually go alone to a club and feel happy being alone and dealing with attendees. I’ve seen the feedback on threads about men following women around pressuring them into sex and touching without permission. Not good which is making me feel nervous attending a club. | |||
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"Letting women in clubs for free is not ‘baiting’, please stop using that term. Women go to clubs, by choice, because they want to swing! Because it’s safer than a Vanilla club. If you feel like bait don’t go! " It certainly is baiting , and I am perfectly happy to use that term . You suggest the women get in free because they earn less . Absolute rubbish . If a guy said to the club owner he was in a low paid job it wouldn’t make any difference at all . And women on the whole earn enough to afford to pay the same as men . Your suggestion that a better class of man attends because it’s so expensive is also nonsense . It’s a shame that couples often come across as so anti single men because everyone is equal in most areas of society . Swinging seems to be the exception .  | |||
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"I personally don't like gendered pricing. Prices that allow single women in for cheap make me feel like I'm being used for bait. That's probably why I've never attended an event that allows women in for free. I mostly attend events that are the same price for everyone. The more expensive events I have gone to have also been the same price for women and everyone had to have either met the organisers or be vetted by someone who regularly attends. They also tried to keep a rough balance between men and women. I also sometimes feel like charging men through the nose makes some of them feel like they're owed something by attending. What about the men's annual membership fee? Are you taking that into accounts at events? £200+ in some instances. Or is that ok? Just the £30-40? Or is it just the entry fee on the night that makes you feel like bait?" I've also never been somewhere with an annual membership fee. | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively.
I think the issue is having the confidence for a single woman to actually go alone to a club and feel happy being alone and dealing with attendees. I’ve seen the feedback on threads about men following women around pressuring them into sex and touching without permission. Not good which is making me feel nervous attending a club. "I get that, I really do. It's hard enough walking in alone as a rather confident and handy man. My advice would be to go with a friend, whoever you are, regardless of their sex or yours. It's nice to have a wingperson. | |||
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"Letting women in clubs for free is not ‘baiting’, please stop using that term. Women go to clubs, by choice, because they want to swing! Because it’s safer than a Vanilla club. If you feel like bait don’t go! " As I said above it's why I don't. | |||
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"Letting women in clubs for free is not ‘baiting’, please stop using that term. Women go to clubs, by choice, because they want to swing! Because it’s safer than a Vanilla club. If you feel like bait don’t go! It certainly is baiting , and I am perfectly happy to use that term . You suggest the women get in free because they earn less . Absolute rubbish . If a guy said to the club owner he was in a low paid job it wouldn’t make any difference at all . And women on the whole earn enough to afford to pay the same as men . Your suggestion that a better class of man attends because it’s so expensive is also nonsense . It’s a shame that couples often come across as so anti single men because everyone is equal in most areas of society . Swinging seems to be the exception . "You actually saved us from writing this and we 100% agree with what you've just wrote. | |||
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"The other option op is to get yourself a girlfriend/wife and take them to the clubs.Just a thought "Which is the only time I'd consider going, but considering my treatment as a man. I probably won't on principle. | |||
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"The other option op is to get yourself a girlfriend/wife and take them to the clubs.Just a thought
Which is the only time I'd consider going, but considering my treatment as a man. I probably won't on principle."Good man...Having read this thread,i reached the conclusion that the huge increase in price for single men cannot be justified,and is surely a form of sexism.. Fuck em i say. | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively. "Yeah I see what you mean. I couldn’t imagine anyone pressurising me. It’s just not the done thing is it. But I guess you do get some knobs. Not that I’ve ever encountered it myself. Must be my resting bitch face and they know they’ll get a slap. | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively.
I think the issue is having the confidence for a single woman to actually go alone to a club and feel happy being alone and dealing with attendees. I’ve seen the feedback on threads about men following women around pressuring them into sex and touching without permission. Not good which is making me feel nervous attending a club. "Yeah I understand that. Never happened to me though. Thankfully | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively.
I think the issue is having the confidence for a single woman to actually go alone to a club and feel happy being alone and dealing with attendees. I’ve seen the feedback on threads about men following women around pressuring them into sex and touching without permission. Not good which is making me feel nervous attending a club.
I get that, I really do. It's hard enough walking in alone as a rather confident and handy man. My advice would be to go with a friend, whoever you are, regardless of their sex or yours. It's nice to have a wingperson."So what if a woman doesn’t have an appropriate friend or a ‘wingperson’ to attend said club and the only option is to go alone, what then? | |||
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"I’m not sure what the right answer is. What I’ve seen though, is some men (not all) think that because they’ve paid a lot to get into a club, they should get some sex. Like a sense of entitlement. Would cheaper prices make a difference to that attitude? Maybe yes, maybe not. " No I think the prices should be higher in that case! It would filter out the entitled men.... | |||
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"Letting women in clubs for free is not ‘baiting’, please stop using that term. Women go to clubs, by choice, because they want to swing! Because it’s safer than a Vanilla club. If you feel like bait don’t go! " Of course it is. It's the same policy vanilla nightclubs operate. Let women in for free and you'll get lots of them and the more women you get in, the more men you'll get willing to pay over the odds to get in. The whole problem arises due to the fact that far more men want no strings sex than women do . That discrepancy between demand and supply is bridged by men paying more than women. | |||
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"Why grumble if they was a tenner a time how long would a club last, be over run with men and the couple and women will stick to couples only nights. There be gangs of lads cans and cocks in hand being a nuisance " They can limit the number on single men allowed regardless of what they're charging. I've seen lots of events do just that. | |||
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"I suspect the big issue re charging more is this. Yes, a given club could say, it's £15 a head, only 30 single guys (random numbers). More people would be prepared to pay £15 to gawk at the weirdos than (whatever guys are charged). Men aren't the problem, per se, disrespectful men are. Guys might be prepared to risk £15 being grabby inebriated inappropriate arseholes. They're less likely to risk £50. (not that women don't misbehave in clubs, but in different ways, that tend not to scare off other women) " | |||
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"I suspect the big issue re charging more is this. Yes, a given club could say, it's £15 a head, only 30 single guys (random numbers). More people would be prepared to pay £15 to gawk at the weirdos than (whatever guys are charged). Men aren't the problem, per se, disrespectful men are. Guys might be prepared to risk £15 being grabby inebriated inappropriate arseholes. They're less likely to risk £50. (not that women don't misbehave in clubs, but in different ways, that tend not to scare off other women) " So it’s not just couples who have such a low opinion of single men . Good to know | |||
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"I suspect the big issue re charging more is this. Yes, a given club could say, it's £15 a head, only 30 single guys (random numbers). More people would be prepared to pay £15 to gawk at the weirdos than (whatever guys are charged). Men aren't the problem, per se, disrespectful men are. Guys might be prepared to risk £15 being grabby inebriated inappropriate arseholes. They're less likely to risk £50. (not that women don't misbehave in clubs, but in different ways, that tend not to scare off other women) So it’s not just couples who have such a low opinion of single men . Good to know "I quote myself. "Men aren't the problem, per se" | |||
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"I suspect the big issue re charging more is this. Yes, a given club could say, it's £15 a head, only 30 single guys (random numbers). More people would be prepared to pay £15 to gawk at the weirdos than (whatever guys are charged). Men aren't the problem, per se, disrespectful men are. Guys might be prepared to risk £15 being grabby inebriated inappropriate arseholes. They're less likely to risk £50. (not that women don't misbehave in clubs, but in different ways, that tend not to scare off other women) So it’s not just couples who have such a low opinion of single men . Good to know
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"Men aren't the problem, per se" "So to use your words “ disrespectful men are “ , and you go on to say that men are more likely to be the disrespectful type if they only have to pay the same rate as women and couples . I don’t believe this to be the case at all . As I recall when we used to visit our local club up to 3 times a week . On the Weds night it was free , a social affair , but rooms could be hired for a tenner if anyone fancied it . And yes , every time we went we did , splitting the cost with guys who also fancied it . And these guys were way more respectful than the guys who had a huge sense of entitlement when they paid £40 to get in on a Friday or Saturday night . The fun would normally start on these nights after midnight , by which time the single women and couples who play with single guys were invariably worse for wear after having drinks brought for them by the loaded single men . Furthering their sense of entitlement . Quite the opposite to your analogy . | |||
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"Uh, I then went on to say that women can be problems too, but in different ways "That’s irrelevant , I haven’t mentioned women at all . You’ll see in my post that I don’t think men paying less than men paying more makes the behaviour of men any worse . Quite the opposite from our experience . That’s the only point I’m making . | |||
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively.
I think the issue is having the confidence for a single woman to actually go alone to a club and feel happy being alone and dealing with attendees. I’ve seen the feedback on threads about men following women around pressuring them into sex and touching without permission. Not good which is making me feel nervous attending a club.
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"I am a woman, would love to go to a club, I am too scared. I don't want to be there and feel pressurized to have sex. Me too! Twice now I’ve bottled going to a club because of fear! No club and their attendees would make you feel this. You shouldn’t be scared. We find clubs to be amazing. I was a single female on Fab for several years. You get nervous, as you’d expect but definitely not scared x Not sure I'd agree with the attendees part The owners and staff were impeccable though. Woukd feel very confident any serious issue was dealt with quickly and effectively.
I think the issue is having the confidence for a single woman to actually go alone to a club and feel happy being alone and dealing with attendees. I’ve seen the feedback on threads about men following women around pressuring them into sex and touching without permission. Not good which is making me feel nervous attending a club.
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"I agree with you there. Ok so for a couple it's 40. For a single female it's 20. For a single male its 40. Why couldn't it be 25 for a single guy. As how can the owner know that the single females are genuine nice people. Like at the night club scene Where everyone has to pay the same price regardless if you are male or female. Unless they have a event on like 1/2 price for students,bit they mostly put on student nights. Or if you are in by a certain time it is free,but if you are over the time it's full price entry fee. They deal with all sorts. And at times it is just about a swinger party . So yeah it is definitely like seriously not fair on the guys. As I say if the couple were charged 100 per couple and the single men and women were charge just 40. They would be a out roar. But again I am not a regular party scene person,or a swinger club manager. " If single men were charged the same they would get any type of bloke turning up with cans expecting sex because women are there. Women are the prize so without them no fun for couples or single men! The single women are the main reason for the clubs being open! The single men are charged more so they attract men who should know the score. One would hope they are respectful if they are paying a higher price for entry. If the single men don’t want to pay the fee then the choice is theirs not to attend. No one is forcing them to go. No offence to anyone, I’m just contributing. | |||
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"No couples no women no club, the incentive is fair to reduce prices on the above. While making profit on the males hunting the above a common sense approach more males on here than females all hoping for a touch. Simple taxation " Do women pay less to go to the cinema, or for a pint in the pub etc. They get the same that guys do at a club. Quite frankly your argument is the same as business owners used to use in order to pay women less in factories etc in the 70s. They would say there’s plenty of other women who want your job, so if you don’t like it tough. They were crap businessmen and anyone who can’t run a swingers club nowadays is a crap businessman / woman who shouldn’t be in business if they need to discriminate against some of their clientele. Things change all the time, it wasn’t so lon ago that women got cheaper car insurance. Someone challenged it and it was classed as unlawful. One day someone will challenge discrimination at swingers clubs and they will have to change their practices. | |||
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"No couples no women no club, the incentive is fair to reduce prices on the above. While making profit on the males hunting the above a common sense approach more males on here than females all hoping for a touch. Simple taxation " And let's face it when we say couples it's because the draw is the female half of the couple in addition to the single ladies. In the kink scene it's all equal, everyone pays the same but then again the aim of the kink scene isn't sex. Sex sells obviously (or the possibly of it). | |||
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"So what if a woman doesn’t have an appropriate friend or a ‘wingperson’ to attend said club and the only option is to go alone, what then? Learn how to make friends? Strange comment to make is ‘learn how to make friends’! It’s a swingers club I want to attend! Quite a sensitive issue if I learnt how to make friends in normal circumstances, unless I go with a Fab member which I do not want to. Next bit of advice on this please? "Just go and mingle, chat to other women while you’re dressing down or touching up your make up etc you can drop it easily into conversation it’s your first time and you’re a bit nervous - I’m sure they’ll be supportive and help put you at ease. I think the key is to know absolutely and confidently that it is all on your terms. If you’re not into something, say so and if you need to, walk away - because you can  the staff at clubs are great too, if someone is bothering you or making you uncomfortable tell them so it can be dealt with x | |||
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"No couples no women no club, the incentive is fair to reduce prices on the above. While making profit on the males hunting the above a common sense approach more males on here than females all hoping for a touch. Simple taxation Do women pay less to go to the cinema, or for a pint in the pub etc. They get the same that guys do at a club. Quite frankly your argument is the same as business owners used to use in order to pay women less in factories etc in the 70s. They would say there’s plenty of other women who want your job, so if you don’t like it tough. They were crap businessmen and anyone who can’t run a swingers club nowadays is a crap businessman / woman who shouldn’t be in business if they need to discriminate against some of their clientele. Things change all the time, it wasn’t so lon ago that women got cheaper car insurance. Someone challenged it and it was classed as unlawful. One day someone will challenge discrimination at swingers clubs and they will have to change their practices." I'm not sure you're right. I think they're usually classed as private clubs. Which means they can exclude on any grounds they like. Which, to be fair, when it comes to the intimate act of sex. We've all a right to be exclusive and selective as we like? I'm not that butt hurt or disrespectful enough to someone else's dream. To challenge it in a Court of Law. Just start your own Private Club if you disagree so strongly. It's probably cost the same as a Court case. The question is.. Why would you want to go in, if they're not going to treat you with the same respect they treat everyone else? | |||
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"No couples no women no club, the incentive is fair to reduce prices on the above. While making profit on the males hunting the above a common sense approach more males on here than females all hoping for a touch. Simple taxation Do women pay less to go to the cinema, or for a pint in the pub etc. They get the same that guys do at a club. Quite frankly your argument is the same as business owners used to use in order to pay women less in factories etc in the 70s. They would say there’s plenty of other women who want your job, so if you don’t like it tough. They were crap businessmen and anyone who can’t run a swingers club nowadays is a crap businessman / woman who shouldn’t be in business if they need to discriminate against some of their clientele. Things change all the time, it wasn’t so lon ago that women got cheaper car insurance. Someone challenged it and it was classed as unlawful. One day someone will challenge discrimination at swingers clubs and they will have to change their practices. I'm not sure you're right. I think they're usually classed as private clubs. Which means they can exclude on any grounds they like. Which, to be fair, when it comes to the intimate act of sex. We've all a right to be exclusive and selective as we like? I'm not that butt hurt or disrespectful enough to someone else's dream. To challenge it in a Court of Law. Just start your own Private Club if you disagree so strongly. It's probably cost the same as a Court case. The question is.. Why would you want to go in, if they're not going to treat you with the same respect they treat everyone else?" You’re missing my point, the point is that discrimination over the years has been lawful and over the years people have chipped away at discrimination by challenging it. Can these private clubs pay their staff less than the minimum wage or refuse entry to a black man based on his colour. No they have to obey the law. So I doubt that being a private club will suffice as a defence in the long run. The same way as golf clubs changed their practices which discriminated against women, before they were forced to, I have no desire to challenge them or open a club, but someone will one day. Nor am I inclined to go to clubs that discriminate against my gender. | |||
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"I can appreciate your frustration, I imagine lots of guys feel the same. Unfortunately it is supply and demand and if there was an abundance of women in the club's and fewer men then it would be us paying extra. I too don't see how ticket prices restrict numbers that is down to the number of tickets on sale." It’s got nothing to do with supply and demand, that’s just a lazy excuse for poor business people to justify discrimination. It’s no different from the excuse made down the years to justify all forms of discrimination. | |||
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"I can appreciate your frustration, I imagine lots of guys feel the same. Unfortunately it is supply and demand and if there was an abundance of women in the club's and fewer men then it would be us paying extra. I too don't see how ticket prices restrict numbers that is down to the number of tickets on sale. It’s got nothing to do with supply and demand, that’s just a lazy excuse for poor business people to justify discrimination. It’s no different from the excuse made down the years to justify all forms of discrimination." It’s not discrimination! Women are the prize and sought after for sex to attract the men which is why their fee is low! It would be the same if men were sought after! | |||
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"I can appreciate your frustration, I imagine lots of guys feel the same. Unfortunately it is supply and demand and if there was an abundance of women in the club's and fewer men then it would be us paying extra. I too don't see how ticket prices restrict numbers that is down to the number of tickets on sale. It’s got nothing to do with supply and demand, that’s just a lazy excuse for poor business people to justify discrimination. It’s no different from the excuse made down the years to justify all forms of discrimination." If it was all equal entrance yet they were super strict on which men they let in and you didn't meet their requirements, would you be happier as long as it was all equal fees? | |||
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"A lot of talk on it's all about business, and in the end it is, however at the club that we mainly attend the busiest day/night has always been couples and single females only so from a business position surely this would be the model." As a single female I wish to meet couples and single males. I guess I'm not alone in this. So single men are most definately a draw for me and an important 1 too. | |||
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"No couples no women no club, the incentive is fair to reduce prices on the above. While making profit on the males hunting the above a common sense approach more males on here than females all hoping for a touch. Simple taxation Do women pay less to go to the cinema, or for a pint in the pub etc. They get the same that guys do at a club. Quite frankly your argument is the same as business owners used to use in order to pay women less in factories etc in the 70s. They would say there’s plenty of other women who want your job, so if you don’t like it tough. They were crap businessmen and anyone who can’t run a swingers club nowadays is a crap businessman / woman who shouldn’t be in business if they need to discriminate against some of their clientele. Things change all the time, it wasn’t so lon ago that women got cheaper car insurance. Someone challenged it and it was classed as unlawful. One day someone will challenge discrimination at swingers clubs and they will have to change their practices." Big difference between discrimination and incentives, surely you must know it’s hard for a guy to get a touch of a woman in a club, So now you suggest making it near impossible or did you have a sensible plan b | |||
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"No couples no women no club, the incentive is fair to reduce prices on the above. While making profit on the males hunting the above a common sense approach more males on here than females all hoping for a touch. Simple taxation Do women pay less to go to the cinema, or for a pint in the pub etc. They get the same that guys do at a club. Quite frankly your argument is the same as business owners used to use in order to pay women less in factories etc in the 70s. They would say there’s plenty of other women who want your job, so if you don’t like it tough. They were crap businessmen and anyone who can’t run a swingers club nowadays is a crap businessman / woman who shouldn’t be in business if they need to discriminate against some of their clientele. Things change all the time, it wasn’t so lon ago that women got cheaper car insurance. Someone challenged it and it was classed as unlawful. One day someone will challenge discrimination at swingers clubs and they will have to change their practices. I'm not sure you're right. I think they're usually classed as private clubs. Which means they can exclude on any grounds they like. Which, to be fair, when it comes to the intimate act of sex. We've all a right to be exclusive and selective as we like? I'm not that butt hurt or disrespectful enough to someone else's dream. To challenge it in a Court of Law. Just start your own Private Club if you disagree so strongly. It's probably cost the same as a Court case. The question is.. Why would you want to go in, if they're not going to treat you with the same respect they treat everyone else?" The laws a bit complex, but per se you can't discriminate on the grounds of sex just because you're a private club. I happen to think this differential pricing is unlawful and if a man took a club to court they'd win. I'm a lawyer by the way ?? | |||
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"I can appreciate your frustration, I imagine lots of guys feel the same. Unfortunately it is supply and demand and if there was an abundance of women in the club's and fewer men then it would be us paying extra. I too don't see how ticket prices restrict numbers that is down to the number of tickets on sale. It’s got nothing to do with supply and demand, that’s just a lazy excuse for poor business people to justify discrimination. It’s no different from the excuse made down the years to justify all forms of discrimination." It's to do with supply and demand and its discrimination The two are not mutually exclusive. | |||
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"I hate that supply and demand argument. Let the single women who do go to clubs on a regular basis have a say. I only go when I know (hope) there are single guys going that I will like and who will like me. I hate that i can’t say to a guy I like “meet you in a club” because to meet me in that club they have to pay a fucking fortune to get in so what if we don’t get on. I don’t want a club full of wankers in trainers who’ve paid a tenner and treat me like a hooker. I want guys in clubs who’ve paid the same as me who are decent human beings who can enjoy a great night out and if things go well could end up having great sex too. It’s not entrance fee that promises me that. It’s club owners not using single women as bait. I’m not “demand”. I’m a woman that wants to meet good solo men and maybe have sex, maybe not. There is one club I know ... Remix in Swindon, it’s £15 per person. Fair yes. Still full of the wankers but they can’t moan it’s not fair. Doesn’t fix the issue though that they’re not the men I want to meet. Although it does mean I can arrange to meet people there without price being a blocker. V x " But do you think men are charged more because of supply and demand even if you disagree? | |||
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"I hate that supply and demand argument. Let the single women who do go to clubs on a regular basis have a say. I only go when I know (hope) there are single guys going that I will like and who will like me. I hate that i can’t say to a guy I like “meet you in a club” because to meet me in that club they have to pay a fucking fortune to get in so what if we don’t get on. I don’t want a club full of wankers in trainers who’ve paid a tenner and treat me like a hooker. I want guys in clubs who’ve paid the same as me who are decent human beings who can enjoy a great night out and if things go well could end up having great sex too. It’s not entrance fee that promises me that. It’s club owners not using single women as bait. I’m not “demand”. I’m a woman that wants to meet good solo men and maybe have sex, maybe not. There is one club I know ... Remix in Swindon, it’s £15 per person. Fair yes. Still full of the wankers but they can’t moan it’s not fair. Doesn’t fix the issue though that they’re not the men I want to meet. Although it does mean I can arrange to meet people there without price being a blocker. V x But do you think men are charged more because of supply and demand even if you disagree?" No. I think it’s an excuse to earn a few extra quid on a party night because probably there will be loads of couples, a few single women and more single men. There’s no earthly reason a man should pay more other than that. Perhaps more solo women would go to club nights if they weren’t considered bait for the higher paying single guys. V x | |||
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"I’m sure guys who are serious about clubs, not the wanking zombies are happy to pay extra, and hope it reduces competition and creates a venue there happy to be in " That’s blatantly not the case. Why should they be happy to pay extra. I wouldn’t be if they decided that I should pay more than men. I’m happy to pay. I think men are happy to pay. The issue is the difference. V x | |||
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"I’m sure guys who are serious about clubs, not the wanking zombies are happy to pay extra, and hope it reduces competition and creates a venue there happy to be in That’s blatantly not the case. Why should they be happy to pay extra. I wouldn’t be if they decided that I should pay more than men. I’m happy to pay. I think men are happy to pay. The issue is the difference. V x " This  | |||
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"I’m sure guys who are serious about clubs, not the wanking zombies are happy to pay extra, and hope it reduces competition and creates a venue there happy to be in That’s blatantly not the case. Why should they be happy to pay extra. I wouldn’t be if they decided that I should pay more than men. I’m happy to pay. I think men are happy to pay. The issue is the difference. V x " How many messages do you get from numb nuts would you like to meet them all at the same time same place. The increase is just one of the measures used to keep wankers at bay. Serious guys don’t mind paying, if it helps with there mission in anyway | |||
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"I’m sure guys who are serious about clubs, not the wanking zombies are happy to pay extra, and hope it reduces competition and creates a venue there happy to be in That’s blatantly not the case. Why should they be happy to pay extra. I wouldn’t be if they decided that I should pay more than men. I’m happy to pay. I think men are happy to pay. The issue is the difference. V x How many messages do you get from numb nuts would you like to meet them all at the same time same place. The increase is just one of the measures used to keep wankers at bay. Serious guys don’t mind paying, if it helps with there mission in anyway " I'm a serious guy, I'd never send a message like you describe, I'm NOT a numb nuts. I sinply have enough self respect to not go to places where I'm not valued for who I am. | |||
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"I’m sure guys who are serious about clubs, not the wanking zombies are happy to pay extra, and hope it reduces competition and creates a venue there happy to be in That’s blatantly not the case. Why should they be happy to pay extra. I wouldn’t be if they decided that I should pay more than men. I’m happy to pay. I think men are happy to pay. The issue is the difference. V x " The problem is that there are vastly more men who want no strings sex than there are women. Hence, in economic terms, when something is in short supply (in this case access to women interested in casual sex) compared to demand (men wanting casual sex), the price will go up. Hence higher prices for men. That's the economics of it. Whether we should accept that economics is another point entirely. | |||
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