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"My worst meets were with bisexual men." Ok, if that's a genuine response to not wanting to meet bisexual men. Then I suppose that can stand. You've tried it and decided based on multiple experiences,with different men that it's not working for you. I'd counter argue that not all people are the same and that you must be at fault partly also.. for picking wrong uns instead of right uns  | |||
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"You have a problem with dishonesty you say. Except when you lied to and cheated on your ex of course. And it's everyone else's fault except yours. Okay. Got that... "Did you get to that point and stop? Choosing to ignore the parts I mentioned about causing pain to others and learning my lesson from it? Focus on the negative why don't you? Ignore all the other positive truth in it. | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. " I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing | |||
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"What if the male of the couple is straight? Mrs" How is that of any relevance? If I've approached you for a straight threesome? | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing" True.. but it's fetishised into a positive light.. male bisexuality not so much. | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing" Not derailing at all 0 I think youre wrong, sorry. I think female bisexuality is globally far more accepted. But you're also right, because men have fantasized over it. Men have been in control since forever, heads of every organisation, dictating what we see and what we don't.
Times are changing, but as you can see from my post, I hope. Also from some of those who have kindly backed me up. That its not been very fair to the bisexual man. People would prefer I were gay or straight, because they don't know how to deal with Bi.
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. " Thankyou x | |||
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"I enjoyed your post " Thankyou too x | |||
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"What if the male of the couple is straight? Mrs How is that of any relevance? If I've approached you for a straight threesome? " Because people have the right to have sex with who they are comfortable with. Sexuality is the something you can't change, as is race. Not everyone wants to have sex with a black woman. That doesn't make them racist. I don't check of someone is bi or not because it isn't an issue for me, but I respect other people's rights to share their bodies with who they want to, as long as they don't disrespect others in the process. Mrs | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. Thankyou x" You're very welcome. Some of the most upfront and open relationships have come from knowing some incredible bi men that can't be themselves in so many other situations. Great post x | |||
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"I'm a bisexual man (for the sake of this post) and if like to take you all on a little journey. Like most bisexual women, most bisexual men don't realise they are bisexual till they try it. Usually it's in their late 20's, 30's or even 40s, some even later on in life. Some lucky souls learn at a younger age, but given it usually takes a great deal of courage to expdriment in this way. Most of us are fully fledged adults when we find out. Society being what it is, puts pressure on people to be normal, to be abnormal is considered a bad thing. Most of us are at an age where at some point in your life, it was normal to call somebody "Gay" If you didn't like them. I'd like to hope that'd have changed by the time my children grow up. Unfortunately I hear them say it on a daily basis and constantly have to challenge them on its use as an insult. My children have no idea I'm bisexual. I don't dress publically (not that dressing and sexuality are always connected). I don't have and never will have a boyfriend. My sex life is my private business, as is my sexuality. I choose to appear straight 100% of the time. Not that it changes anything I say, do, act or behave , in anyway. I choose to with old this information for a very good reason. Being called a "Batty boy" Isn't one. Fear of my homophobic parents reaction isn't the reason I'm a closet bi either. I was once rejected by someone I loved, because I was too scared to admit my bisexuality to her. I tried to repress it, tried not to be who I was. It made me unhappy, unhealthy and start acting out of character, to the point the relationship ended, because I was caught cheating. If I couldn't tell the person closest to me, how I felt about my sexuality, because I was so ashamed of it. Then you lot haven't got a chance in Hell getting the truth out of men and sexuality on this website. You could put it down to me being a "Cunt" Being a weak man. A dishonest man. A typical man. In truth I never cheated before and I'll never cheat again. I'm a Good Man, a kind man and an honest man. Not your typical bloke. I did what I did, I made my choices and now I have to live with the pain I caused to the person I loved. In reality, my bisexuality would not have been an issue for her, it was the cheating and the long list of lies used to cover it. I didn't know that though, not the way she spoke about one of her exes, who turned out to be Bi. She always knew he was a bit of a wierdo. Not the way society treats bi men. Not the way everyone I've met speaks about bi men. Even gay people saying things like it's only because of our desperation level that we're bisexual! I've been reading a lot of bullshit on here this week about preferences. That some couples and some women prefer not to meet bisexual men. Usually a reason like Bi men are a high STI risk group, guess whos right up there alongside us? Swingers! So thats a dead argument. Anyone worth their salt on this site plays safe, or s adult enough to know that there are risks. I've never gone Bareback with a man in my life. I've only taken the condom off for relationships with women. I've eluded to this twice in the thread so I'd best point out. Romantically speaking, men are dead to me. I'm only physically sexually bisexual. I can't even kiss a man on the lips, probably because my bisexuality is fucked up.. thanks to all the homophobic bullshit going on in the world. Or maybe I'm just a freak? Nowadays I only reveal my bisexuality to a few select people. All women I've grown to trust, all women I was honest about it from the start with. I personally deem they have a right to know, because they're choosing to share their body with me. I respect them enough to admit it. It fills me with dread each time, I despise having to do so. However, I spend time getting to know them first, we share other secrets, teach each other about one another and learn to trust one another first. I feel like they have earnt the right to know me. A couple on Fab who've not said they don't meet bi men. Not asked whether I was bi. Get upset because I didn't tell them I was bi beforehand. Get lost. When we're you there for me? How many of my birthdays have you come to? How many times a week do we talk? You think you've a right to ask my sexuality? Think again. If I want to meet you for straight fun, then my bisexuality should be irrelevant. I'm not going to be looking at your man whilst hanging out the back of you, I'm not going to grab his cock out the blue. If I'm there to play straight, that's what I'm in the mood for. There are plenty of gorgeous bisexual couples, plenty of beautiful Tgirls and loads of fit men. If I wanted a cock, I could have asked them very nicely instead of darkening your foul door. The last argument I think you can make, for defending your preference to not being infected by bisexuality. Is that once you find out, that you no longer see us as the sexy object of lust you once thought of us as. Your opinion changes, based on one fact. Sexuality. Which by it's very definition makes you homophobic. I've no problem with that, I've a problem with dishonesty. If that's how you feel, own it. At least we know where we stand. You have your little group of friends and stay over there at the party's and clubs. I'll be with everyone else, having fun. Enjoying my life and being myself. I had to get this off my chest for my own sanity, else I'd I've been destroying other people's negative posts and allowing their negativity to consume me. So apologies for the essay. I don't expect any responses. I'm also not replying to any negative comments on this. I'm just trying to help you understand why people lie. You've usually not shown them enough respect to deserve the truth. Think about it." 2 wrongs don't make a right. They should still respect peoples preferences. They are just greedy really and giving themselves a bigger target market. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis?" The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. | |||
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"What if the male of the couple is straight? Mrs How is that of any relevance? If I've approached you for a straight threesome? Because people have the right to have sex with who they are comfortable with. Sexuality is the something you can't change, as is race. Not everyone wants to have sex with a black woman. That doesn't make them racist. I don't check of someone is bi or not because it isn't an issue for me, but I respect other people's rights to share their bodies with who they want to, as long as they don't disrespect others in the process. Mrs" I'd argue someone who can't see the attraction in someone else based purely on skin colour does make it racist... even if you call it a preference. People have to decide for themselves. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore." That's an unfair and one sided, twisted view of things. You should work in politics | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore." That's pretty much what I got from it too | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's an unfair and one sided, twisted view of things. You should work in politics " Politicians are more diplomatic.  | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's an unfair and one sided, twisted view of things. You should work in politics " That's an honest representation of my perception if your argument from the original thread, though I understand you have personal reasons for it. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too" I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. | |||
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"What if the male of the couple is straight? Mrs How is that of any relevance? If I've approached you for a straight threesome? Because people have the right to have sex with who they are comfortable with. Sexuality is the something you can't change, as is race. Not everyone wants to have sex with a black woman. That doesn't make them racist. I don't check of someone is bi or not because it isn't an issue for me, but I respect other people's rights to share their bodies with who they want to, as long as they don't disrespect others in the process. Mrs I'd argue someone who can't see the attraction in someone else based purely on skin colour does make it racist... even if you call it a preference. People have to decide for themselves." Because you're working on an everything is, for lack of a better term, black or white. You are not taking into account different situations, context, other people's life histories or experiences, even though they must take yours into account. It works both ways. Mrs | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore." Men on Fab do themselves no favors..... Damn I miss Mr. White he would never post any of this beta male nonsense | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's an unfair and one sided, twisted view of things. You should work in politics That's an honest representation of my perception if your argument from the original thread, though I understand you have personal reasons for it." Yeah it is just another moaning about preferences. My cock ain't 10 inches but I can still fuck a woman but if someone wants a 10 inch cock I can't give that to them. Life isn't fair. They might look up my homie rudeboycane. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head." But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! | |||
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"For me and many others sexual pleasure isn't just physical, A huge part of the pleasure is in your mind, Before during and after the sex, In short, The idea of Men having sex with Men is a turn off for me but Women having sex with Women is a huge turn on" So you're in no danger of having sex with a bi man. If you were female, I'd tell you beforehand, because I'm me. If I didn't, because I didn't want to turn you off it wouldn't be relevant. Woukd you tell your meets about your baby diaper fetish on the first meet? Hypothetically speaking. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head." So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!!" That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's."  | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. " I disagree about the rights. And I have never said anything about whether or not I choose to meet bi men - you just made a gross assumption there. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. " The decent respectable kind? Really? If someone states they will not meet bisexual men you feel they should be outcast?? Because you feel that makes them outright homophobes? Doesn't that make you the intolerant one? | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's." | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. The decent respectable kind? Really? If someone states they will not meet bisexual men you feel they should be outcast?? Because you feel that makes them outright homophobes? Doesn't that make you the intolerant one? " Reverse homophobia | |||
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"For me and many others sexual pleasure isn't just physical, A huge part of the pleasure is in your mind, Before during and after the sex, In short, The idea of Men having sex with Men is a turn off for me but Women having sex with Women is a huge turn on So you're in no danger of having sex with a bi man. If you were female, I'd tell you beforehand, because I'm me. If I didn't, because I didn't want to turn you off it wouldn't be relevant. Woukd you tell your meets about your baby diaper fetish on the first meet? Hypothetically speaking." Having MFM meets isn't top of my list but before any meet I would bring it up and if I was to have repeat meets with a couple and it never came up it obviously wouldn't bother me, But if I found out later down the line I would be more then pissed off, | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. The decent respectable kind? Really? If someone states they will not meet bisexual men you feel they should be outcast?? Because you feel that makes them outright homophobes? Doesn't that make you the intolerant one? " Looks that way to me too - nuts a purely emotional position, not a logical one. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's." An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. The decent respectable kind? Really? If someone states they will not meet bisexual men you feel they should be outcast?? Because you feel that makes them outright homophobes? Doesn't that make you the intolerant one? Looks that way to me too - nuts a purely emotional position, not a logical one. " Sorry 'it's' not 'nuts'. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose."No, you have to be an equal opportunities shagger now apparently. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose."Yes, but you're on Fab and I've given you the reasons why it happens. I don't do it. I'm just the messenger so you can all get off your fucking high horses and back - your vicious nasty comments the fuck up - All of you! Not just whoever I'm replying to now. Despite the title this post isn't for you.. It's for all the bisexual people out there to own it and stick two fingers up to the likes of you lot. I don't do it, because I've got more respect for myself than to sleep with someone who had to ask that question. I'd like more no men to be the same. This post is for them, giving them someone who will stand up to the likes of you, your crowd, your preferences. I'm done It's late. I swore id not respond, but you got me Tomorrow's another day. Goodnight all. | |||
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"Yes, but you're on Fab and I've given you the reasons why it happens. I don't do it. I'm just the messenger so you can all get off your fucking high horses and back - your vicious nasty comments the fuck up - All of you! Not just whoever I'm replying to now. Despite the title this post isn't for you.. It's for all the bisexual people out there to own it and stick two fingers up to the likes of you lot. I don't do it, because I've got more respect for myself than to sleep with someone who had to ask that question. I'd like more no men to be the same. This post is for them, giving them someone who will stand up to the likes of you, your crowd, your preferences. I'm done It's late. I swore id not respond, but you got me Tomorrow's another day. Goodnight all" I'm not understanding the need to "stand up" to people who don't want to fuck you. I mean, just get with people who do. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose.
Yes, but you're on Fab and I've given you the reasons why it happens. I don't do it. I'm just the messenger so you can all get off your fucking high horses and back - your vicious nasty comments the fuck up - All of you! Not just whoever I'm replying to now.
Despite the title this post isn't for you.. It's for all the bisexual people out there to own it and stick two fingers up to the likes of you lot.
I don't do it, because I've got more respect for myself than to sleep with someone who had to ask that question. I'd like more no men to be the same. This post is for them, giving them someone who will stand up to the likes of you, your crowd, your preferences.
I'm done It's late. I swore id not respond, but you got me Tomorrow's another day. Goodnight all.
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. Men on Fab do themselves no favors..... Damn I miss Mr. White he would never post any of this beta male nonsense Beta male? Whatever little boy
I will give you some advice a older man told me...
“ Work with what you have , not with what you want “
This advice has helped me tremendously in life....
Say this to yourself whenever you have a hard decision to make....."I've got everything I want and have everything I need. You though, felt the need to jump in and be a bit of a prat saying silly things from the get go. Getting zero attention from me. So you resort to a personal insult. I think youre the one who needs your own advice. I've got shitloads to give.. Old man.. if that's what you prefer? You can see in this thread and many to come.. wisdom spills from these lips. Pay attention and you'll be the one who'll learn a thing or two. Night night little one x | |||
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"Interesting reference to the initial post . when someone opens up and speaks for thousands of people in a similar situation it takes real courage! " You think the Lgbtqlapk community would be proud of people lying about their sexuality to get more sex? | |||
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"You seem to be suggesting that nobody has the right to dislike fucking gay and bi men and that it makes them 'homophobic'. No, it makes them heterophilic! Think about the fact that you're lying to fuck people who wouldn't want to fuck the real you. You're lying to them and lying to yourself and blaming others for the low esteem you're experiencing. Well maybe if you got with people who genuinely wanted to be with you, you wouldn't have to feel that you have to lie. You're the one who should have the courage to be true to yourself and stop placing the blame and responsibility at the feet of others who do not share your reality. I find it a bit slimey that you're lying and using the cover of heterosexuality to attract and beguile heterophiles but at the same time condemning their heterophilia after you cum. That's pretty fucked up! " I think you can't read. I don't and have never arranged meets in this manner. I lied to one and the guilt almost killed me. So back the fuck off! I'm defending the men who do. Explaining to those who are concerned about it, why they do, so they understand. Pointing out it'll happen as long as homophobia happens. That If they don't like it.. they need to make it clear and hope it's respected. I'm trying to encourage bi men to own it a bit more, encourage others to encourage these men to own it more.. So they realise that there are women and men who will accept them... because I've met them. My experience for them to have for free... And this is how you lot devour someone's inner being when they open up... Luckily I'm not the little beta male that massive cock seems to think I am. Otherwise I'd be a little upset right now. As things stand, I've had quite an enjoyable evening scrapping with you lot. Read. Read. Think.. Then read it again. Before you open that trap next time. Then maybe you won't get schooled so quickly. | |||
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"We don’t want to have sex with Bi men if they play straight or not. Neither of us are remotely turned on by it. Mrs is bi and likes bi females. We both support LGBT causes and have physically defended LGBT in some dreadful cases of assault. However neither of us wants to fuck a gay or bi man. Surely that’s our choice? " Can I ask why? | |||
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"You're condemning our preferences and at the same time suggesting that we must respect your preferences???? How far do you hope to get with that? I don't find anyone "standing up" or "sticking fingers up" to gay people who don't want to fuck the opposite gender. You're the one who's discriminating here, being a bigot. Well I'm standing up for all those who share the preference of not fucking bi people. We are entitled to our preferences. I don't get the need or desire to feel better about your choices by being defensively exclusive. Why do we need to be demons just so that you can feel more secure in your sexual identity? Seems you're creating phantom enemies to solidify your defence mechanisms against your own dislike for your bisexuality. You wouldn't kiss a man because of "society"?? Hahahaha, what utter BOLLOCKS! You already said you have no romantic interest in men. Society is against swinging too but you're here aren't you? Society is against infidelity but you cheated on your partner didn't you? You aren't forfeiting the fulfilment of your desires for a discriminatory "society" lol. C'mon my friend, let's be real. I mean you're fucking men or getting fucked, aren't you? Surely the same homophobic society that supposedly makes you guilty for kissing a man will hold you in a negative esteem for fucking them??? I'm not trying to insult here, just that it's not adding up. You do not live in a homophobic society. Same sex partnerships are legal. Swinging is actually less accepted than being gay or bi, so WTF are you on about, honestly? Me thinks you're projecting your own homophobia onto heterosexuals and heterophiles. Just because you fuck men doesn't exempt you from your own deep seated homophobia." Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. | |||
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" I think you can't read. I don't and have never arranged meets in this manner. I lied to one and the guilt almost killed me. So back the fuck off! I'm defending the men who do. Explaining to those who are concerned about it, why they do, so they understand. Pointing out it'll happen as long as homophobia happens. That If they don't like it.. they need to make it clear and hope it's respected. I'm trying to encourage bi men to own it a bit more, encourage others to encourage these men to own it more.. So they realise that there are women and men who will accept them... because I've met them. My experience for them to have for free... And this is how you lot devour someone's inner being when they open up... " We can read and we're intelligent enough to see that you're being disingenuous by placing blame on those who don't want to fuck you. That's not who you should be addressing. You should not have attacked people with that preference of you were sincerely encouraging bi men to open up and be true to themselves. You're speaking with a forked tongue. | |||
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"I'm a bisexual man (for the sake of this post) and if like to take you all on a little journey. Like most bisexual women, most bisexual men don't realise they are bisexual till they try it. Usually it's in their late 20's, 30's or even 40s, some even later on in life. Some lucky souls learn at a younger age, but given it usually takes a great deal of courage to expdriment in this way. Most of us are fully fledged adults when we find out. Society being what it is, puts pressure on people to be normal, to be abnormal is considered a bad thing. Most of us are at an age where at some point in your life, it was normal to call somebody "Gay" If you didn't like them. I'd like to hope that'd have changed by the time my children grow up. Unfortunately I hear them say it on a daily basis and constantly have to challenge them on its use as an insult. My children have no idea I'm bisexual. I don't dress publically (not that dressing and sexuality are always connected). I don't have and never will have a boyfriend. My sex life is my private business, as is my sexuality. I choose to appear straight 100% of the time. Not that it changes anything I say, do, act or behave , in anyway. I choose to with old this information for a very good reason. Being called a "Batty boy" Isn't one. Fear of my homophobic parents reaction isn't the reason I'm a closet bi either. I was once rejected by someone I loved, because I was too scared to admit my bisexuality to her. I tried to repress it, tried not to be who I was. It made me unhappy, unhealthy and start acting out of character, to the point the relationship ended, because I was caught cheating. If I couldn't tell the person closest to me, how I felt about my sexuality, because I was so ashamed of it. Then you lot haven't got a chance in Hell getting the truth out of men and sexuality on this website. You could put it down to me being a "Cunt" Being a weak man. A dishonest man. A typical man. In truth I never cheated before and I'll never cheat again. I'm a Good Man, a kind man and an honest man. Not your typical bloke. I did what I did, I made my choices and now I have to live with the pain I caused to the person I loved. In reality, my bisexuality would not have been an issue for her, it was the cheating and the long list of lies used to cover it. I didn't know that though, not the way she spoke about one of her exes, who turned out to be Bi. She always knew he was a bit of a wierdo. Not the way society treats bi men. Not the way everyone I've met speaks about bi men. Even gay people saying things like it's only because of our desperation level that we're bisexual! I've been reading a lot of bullshit on here this week about preferences. That some couples and some women prefer not to meet bisexual men. Usually a reason like Bi men are a high STI risk group, guess whos right up there alongside us? Swingers! So thats a dead argument. Anyone worth their salt on this site plays safe, or s adult enough to know that there are risks. I've never gone Bareback with a man in my life. I've only taken the condom off for relationships with women. I've eluded to this twice in the thread so I'd best point out. Romantically speaking, men are dead to me. I'm only physically sexually bisexual. I can't even kiss a man on the lips, probably because my bisexuality is fucked up.. thanks to all the homophobic bullshit going on in the world. Or maybe I'm just a freak? Nowadays I only reveal my bisexuality to a few select people. All women I've grown to trust, all women I was honest about it from the start with. I personally deem they have a right to know, because they're choosing to share their body with me. I respect them enough to admit it. It fills me with dread each time, I despise having to do so. However, I spend time getting to know them first, we share other secrets, teach each other about one another and learn to trust one another first. I feel like they have earnt the right to know me. A couple on Fab who've not said they don't meet bi men. Not asked whether I was bi. Get upset because I didn't tell them I was bi beforehand. Get lost. When we're you there for me? How many of my birthdays have you come to? How many times a week do we talk? You think you've a right to ask my sexuality? Think again. If I want to meet you for straight fun, then my bisexuality should be irrelevant. I'm not going to be looking at your man whilst hanging out the back of you, I'm not going to grab his cock out the blue. If I'm there to play straight, that's what I'm in the mood for. There are plenty of gorgeous bisexual couples, plenty of beautiful Tgirls and loads of fit men. If I wanted a cock, I could have asked them very nicely instead of darkening your foul door. The last argument I think you can make, for defending your preference to not being infected by bisexuality. Is that once you find out, that you no longer see us as the sexy object of lust you once thought of us as. Your opinion changes, based on one fact. Sexuality. Which by it's very definition makes you homophobic. I've no problem with that, I've a problem with dishonesty. If that's how you feel, own it. At least we know where we stand. You have your little group of friends and stay over there at the party's and clubs. I'll be with everyone else, having fun. Enjoying my life and being myself. I had to get this off my chest for my own sanity, else I'd I've been destroying other people's negative posts and allowing their negativity to consume me. So apologies for the essay. I don't expect any responses. I'm also not replying to any negative comments on this. I'm just trying to help you understand why people lie. You've usually not shown them enough respect to deserve the truth. Think about it." it's still not my problem that you couldn't talk to your Loved ones and friends but that your problem your and there's we aren't friends and it's a sex site not friends reunited I'm not interested in a bi man to me it pure dishonesty call me homophobic it just a label live with it I'm fat don't call people fattiest because I'm not for them it there choice your hiding your bi thus taking away there choice it's your problem not there's that life deal with it if I made a meet with a lady that said size16 6ft and I turned up she's a 22and 5ft it's the same your both lieing | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. Men on Fab do themselves no favors..... Damn I miss Mr. White he would never post any of this beta male nonsense Beta male? Whatever little boy
I will give you some advice a older man told me...
“ Work with what you have , not with what you want “
This advice has helped me tremendously in life....
Say this to yourself whenever you have a hard decision to make.....
I've got everything I want and have everything I need.
You though, felt the need to jump in and be a bit of a prat saying silly things from the get go. Getting zero attention from me. So you resort to a personal insult.
I think youre the one who needs your own advice. I've got shitloads to give.. Old man.. if that's what you prefer? You can see in this thread and many to come.. wisdom spills from these lips. Pay attention and you'll be the one who'll learn a thing or two.
Night night little one x"You are going to teach me something... that’s rich... A matter of fact you have taught me something... People that don’t have sex with bi men are homophobic.... Does that mean that all couples that don’t want to have sex with me are racist? I await your pearls of wisdom, old wise one... | |||
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"You're condemning our preferences and at the same time suggesting that we must respect your preferences???? How far do you hope to get with that? I don't find anyone "standing up" or "sticking fingers up" to gay people who don't want to fuck the opposite gender. You're the one who's discriminating here, being a bigot. Well I'm standing up for all those who share the preference of not fucking bi people. We are entitled to our preferences. I don't get the need or desire to feel better about your choices by being defensively exclusive. Why do we need to be demons just so that you can feel more secure in your sexual identity? Seems you're creating phantom enemies to solidify your defence mechanisms against your own dislike for your bisexuality. You wouldn't kiss a man because of "society"?? Hahahaha, what utter BOLLOCKS! You already said you have no romantic interest in men. Society is against swinging too but you're here aren't you? Society is against infidelity but you cheated on your partner didn't you? You aren't forfeiting the fulfilment of your desires for a discriminatory "society" lol. C'mon my friend, let's be real. I mean you're fucking men or getting fucked, aren't you? Surely the same homophobic society that supposedly makes you guilty for kissing a man will hold you in a negative esteem for fucking them??? I'm not trying to insult here, just that it's not adding up. You do not live in a homophobic society. Same sex partnerships are legal. Swinging is actually less accepted than being gay or bi, so WTF are you on about, honestly? Me thinks you're projecting your own homophobia onto heterosexuals and heterophiles. Just because you fuck men doesn't exempt you from your own deep seated homophobia. Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. " But you haven't been nice, and niceness and honesty don't always mix. I'm just being upfront with you. The ass part was to differentiate from the lips. It's purely objective. If you want to win by appealing to moral authority over the way in expressing my opposition to your perspective then you're entitled to that further defence mechanism layer. Deal with the points of disagreement, not your subjective opinion about how 'nice' you believe I am or not. And I rank authenticity above lukewarm and disingenuous 'niceness'. You're not being nice by underhandedly trying to usurp moral authority for yourself to my exclusion, to dismiss my perspective, are you? | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose. No, you have to be an equal opportunities shagger now apparently. "Ironically my accuser has no idea if I am or not, it seems he is prejudiced against me!  | |||
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"We don’t want to have sex with Bi men if they play straight or not. Neither of us are remotely turned on by it. Mrs is bi and likes bi females. We both support LGBT causes and have physically defended LGBT in some dreadful cases of assault. However neither of us wants to fuck a gay or bi man. Surely that’s our choice? Can I ask why? " Certainly, bad experience, our personal preference. Fairly normal reasons , we wouldn’t play with people who were d*unk or under the influence of narcotic substances , again, experience and preference | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing Not derailing at all 0 I think youre wrong, sorry. I think female bisexuality is globally far more accepted. But you're also right, because men have fantasized over it. Men have been in control since forever, heads of every organisation, dictating what we see and what we don't.
Times are changing, but as you can see from my post, I hope. Also from some of those who have kindly backed me up. That its not been very fair to the bisexual man. People would prefer I were gay or straight, because they don't know how to deal with Bi.
"As a bi female. It is more accepted. In my life i have had 1 male object all the others come out with can i watch etc. Woman have been bi or wanting to ask 20 questions. I enjoyed the post, well wrote and i am glad you have learnt x good luck and enjoy with everything x | |||
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"Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. " If you listen to what everyone is saying to you, you just might find that hand that will walk you through your confusion. Just because we aren't being 'nice' doesn't mean we aren't being 'helpful'. I'm entitled to edit my comments for clarity. Case in point you took my "ass" comments and used it to virtue signal and use ad-hominem instead of hearing my point. I anticipated that much and edited it without and before your input. Unfortunately you rely heavily upon virtue signaling and theft of agency (it's when you disingenuously applaud a correction one makes as though they made it in accordance with higher principles that you possess, rather than their own). Just grow up my friend. | |||
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"You're condemning our preferences and at the same time suggesting that we must respect your preferences???? How far do you hope to get with that? I don't find anyone "standing up" or "sticking fingers up" to gay people who don't want to fuck the opposite gender. You're the one who's discriminating here, being a bigot. Well I'm standing up for all those who share the preference of not fucking bi people. We are entitled to our preferences. I don't get the need or desire to feel better about your choices by being defensively exclusive. Why do we need to be demons just so that you can feel more secure in your sexual identity? Seems you're creating phantom enemies to solidify your defence mechanisms against your own dislike for your bisexuality. You wouldn't kiss a man because of "society"?? Hahahaha, what utter BOLLOCKS! You already said you have no romantic interest in men. Society is against swinging too but you're here aren't you? Society is against infidelity but you cheated on your partner didn't you? You aren't forfeiting the fulfilment of your desires for a discriminatory "society" lol. C'mon my friend, let's be real. I mean you're fucking men or getting fucked, aren't you? Surely the same homophobic society that supposedly makes you guilty for kissing a man will hold you in a negative esteem for fucking them??? I'm not trying to insult here, just that it's not adding up. You do not live in a homophobic society. Same sex partnerships are legal. Swinging is actually less accepted than being gay or bi, so WTF are you on about, honestly? Me thinks you're projecting your own homophobia onto heterosexuals and heterophiles. Just because you fuck men doesn't exempt you from your own deep seated homophobia. Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. But you haven't been nice, and niceness and honesty don't always mix. I'm just being upfront with you. The ass part was to differentiate from the lips. It's purely objective. If you want to win by appealing to moral authority over the way in expressing my opposition to your perspective then you're entitled to that further defence mechanism layer. Deal with the points of disagreement, not your subjective opinion about how 'nice' you believe I am or not. And I rank authenticity above lukewarm and disingenuous 'niceness'. You're not being nice by underhandedly trying to usurp moral authority for yourself to my exclusion, to dismiss my perspective, are you? " Oh I see your tone has changed, whereas your cock comrade still hasn't learnt anything. Congratulations. Bonus points for noticing my forked tongue, there's all sorts of other lessons within that initial post. If you go back to it and read from a perspective other than your own, you may change your current focus.. the offence at being called homophobic and down right determination to fight the accusation. Your comparison against fat people or tall people is stupid. When they arrive, they are clearly fat, clearly tall.. it has a visual impact that yes, some people find off putting. Race is different, I may as well butt in before you start on that one. There are so many different looks within one skin shade, that you can't honestly tell me there isn't someone suited to you in attraction stakes, pure madness. Sexuality is invisible, you cannot see hear, smell, touch or taste it. It's all in the mind. If you don't know, it can't effect your arousal level. You're just put off by the idea I'm a dirty bi, who does dirty things. So I stand by what I said. Based on the arguments I've covered.. if the sole reason that flick of a switch in your head changes because you found out I was bi... when all else was good... oh sorry love.. that's alright... it's just a preference... Still biiiiiiiiyyye you a pint in the pub? Still mates? Nah, I'm good thanks. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose. No, you have to be an equal opportunities shagger now apparently.
Ironically my accuser has no idea if I am or not, it seems he is prejudiced against me! "I don't care about you would be more accurate. | |||
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"Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. If you listen to what everyone is saying to you, you just might find that hand that will walk you through your confusion. Just because we aren't being 'nice' doesn't mean we aren't being 'helpful'. I'm entitled to edit my comments for clarity. Case in point you took my "ass" comments and used it to virtue signal and use ad-hominem instead of hearing my point. I anticipated that much and edited it without and before your input. Unfortunately you rely heavily upon virtue signaling and theft of agency (it's when you disingenuously applaud a correction one makes as though they made it in accordance with higher principles that you possess, rather than their own). Just grow up my friend. " You've had your time with me now. You use big words in the right order, which is impressive. You aren't making sense though. Either that or we're at an impasse, in which case, you're boring me. So we're done. | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing Not derailing at all 0 I think youre wrong, sorry. I think female bisexuality is globally far more accepted. But you're also right, because men have fantasized over it. Men have been in control since forever, heads of every organisation, dictating what we see and what we don't.
Times are changing, but as you can see from my post, I hope. Also from some of those who have kindly backed me up. That its not been very fair to the bisexual man. People would prefer I were gay or straight, because they don't know how to deal with Bi.
As a bi female. It is more accepted. In my life i have had 1 male object all the others come out with can i watch etc. Woman have been bi or wanting to ask 20 questions.
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"You're condemning our preferences and at the same time suggesting that we must respect your preferences???? How far do you hope to get with that? I don't find anyone "standing up" or "sticking fingers up" to gay people who don't want to fuck the opposite gender. You're the one who's discriminating here, being a bigot. Well I'm standing up for all those who share the preference of not fucking bi people. We are entitled to our preferences. I don't get the need or desire to feel better about your choices by being defensively exclusive. Why do we need to be demons just so that you can feel more secure in your sexual identity? Seems you're creating phantom enemies to solidify your defence mechanisms against your own dislike for your bisexuality. You wouldn't kiss a man because of "society"?? Hahahaha, what utter BOLLOCKS! You already said you have no romantic interest in men. Society is against swinging too but you're here aren't you? Society is against infidelity but you cheated on your partner didn't you? You aren't forfeiting the fulfilment of your desires for a discriminatory "society" lol. C'mon my friend, let's be real. I mean you're fucking men or getting fucked, aren't you? Surely the same homophobic society that supposedly makes you guilty for kissing a man will hold you in a negative esteem for fucking them??? I'm not trying to insult here, just that it's not adding up. You do not live in a homophobic society. Same sex partnerships are legal. Swinging is actually less accepted than being gay or bi, so WTF are you on about, honestly? Me thinks you're projecting your own homophobia onto heterosexuals and heterophiles. Just because you fuck men doesn't exempt you from your own deep seated homophobia. Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. But you haven't been nice, and niceness and honesty don't always mix. I'm just being upfront with you. The ass part was to differentiate from the lips. It's purely objective. If you want to win by appealing to moral authority over the way in expressing my opposition to your perspective then you're entitled to that further defence mechanism layer. Deal with the points of disagreement, not your subjective opinion about how 'nice' you believe I am or not. And I rank authenticity above lukewarm and disingenuous 'niceness'. You're not being nice by underhandedly trying to usurp moral authority for yourself to my exclusion, to dismiss my perspective, are you? Oh I see your tone has changed, whereas your cock comrade still hasn't learnt anything. Congratulations. Bonus points for noticing my forked tongue, there's all sorts of other lessons within that initial post. If you go back to it and read from a perspective other than your own, you may change your current focus.. the offence at being called homophobic and down right determination to fight the accusation. Your comparison against fat people or tall people is stupid. When they arrive, they are clearly fat, clearly tall.. it has a visual impact that yes, some people find off putting. Race is different, I may as well butt in before you start on that one. There are so many different looks within one skin shade, that you can't honestly tell me there isn't someone suited to you in attraction stakes, pure madness. Sexuality is invisible, you cannot see hear, smell, touch or taste it. It's all in the mind. If you don't know, it can't effect your arousal level. You're just put off by the idea I'm a dirty bi, who does dirty things. So I stand by what I said. Based on the arguments I've covered.. if the sole reason that flick of a switch in your head changes because you found out I was bi... when all else was good... oh sorry love.. that's alright... it's just a preference... Still biiiiiiiiyyye you a pint in the pub? Still mates? Nah, I'm good thanks. " Get some sleep, you're not even replying to the right people. I said nothing about "fat people", "tall people" or "race"? I'm the other black guy, comrade. That might explain the "change of tone" you've mistakenly noticed. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose. No, you have to be an equal opportunities shagger now apparently.
Ironically my accuser has no idea if I am or not, it seems he is prejudiced against me! "If these radical liberals ever make that legislation I'm joining the monastery and becoming a monk. | |||
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I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
And when it comes to what's allowed inside our bodies we are all entitled to be as discriminating as we choose. No, you have to be an equal opportunities shagger now apparently.
Ironically my accuser has no idea if I am or not, it seems he is prejudiced against me!
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos " That's nonsense, I have no issue with bi men, however I have yet ever find another man attractive in any way, some women I don't find attractive either, I would have or enjoy sex with them either. So you're argument doesn't hold up I'm afraid. And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. But then I also get bored after about 2 minutes watching women play together too. Although I don't think that was the ops point, that was about deception. I don't have an issue with that really, most people on this site deceive in one way or another. And I'm certain we will have played with bi males, just not involving me directly. Doesn't bother me at all and I think it's a little odd when people get hung up on it. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
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"You're condemning our preferences and at the same time suggesting that we must respect your preferences???? How far do you hope to get with that? I don't find anyone "standing up" or "sticking fingers up" to gay people who don't want to fuck the opposite gender. You're the one who's discriminating here, being a bigot. Well I'm standing up for all those who share the preference of not fucking bi people. We are entitled to our preferences. I don't get the need or desire to feel better about your choices by being defensively exclusive. Why do we need to be demons just so that you can feel more secure in your sexual identity? Seems you're creating phantom enemies to solidify your defence mechanisms against your own dislike for your bisexuality. You wouldn't kiss a man because of "society"?? Hahahaha, what utter BOLLOCKS! You already said you have no romantic interest in men. Society is against swinging too but you're here aren't you? Society is against infidelity but you cheated on your partner didn't you? You aren't forfeiting the fulfilment of your desires for a discriminatory "society" lol. C'mon my friend, let's be real. I mean you're fucking men or getting fucked, aren't you? Surely the same homophobic society that supposedly makes you guilty for kissing a man will hold you in a negative esteem for fucking them??? I'm not trying to insult here, just that it's not adding up. You do not live in a homophobic society. Same sex partnerships are legal. Swinging is actually less accepted than being gay or bi, so WTF are you on about, honestly? Me thinks you're projecting your own homophobia onto heterosexuals and heterophiles. Just because you fuck men doesn't exempt you from your own deep seated homophobia. Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. But you haven't been nice, and niceness and honesty don't always mix. I'm just being upfront with you. The ass part was to differentiate from the lips. It's purely objective. If you want to win by appealing to moral authority over the way in expressing my opposition to your perspective then you're entitled to that further defence mechanism layer. Deal with the points of disagreement, not your subjective opinion about how 'nice' you believe I am or not. And I rank authenticity above lukewarm and disingenuous 'niceness'. You're not being nice by underhandedly trying to usurp moral authority for yourself to my exclusion, to dismiss my perspective, are you? Oh I see your tone has changed, whereas your cock comrade still hasn't learnt anything. Congratulations. Bonus points for noticing my forked tongue, there's all sorts of other lessons within that initial post. If you go back to it and read from a perspective other than your own, you may change your current focus.. the offence at being called homophobic and down right determination to fight the accusation. Your comparison against fat people or tall people is stupid. When they arrive, they are clearly fat, clearly tall.. it has a visual impact that yes, some people find off putting. Race is different, I may as well butt in before you start on that one. There are so many different looks within one skin shade, that you can't honestly tell me there isn't someone suited to you in attraction stakes, pure madness. Sexuality is invisible, you cannot see hear, smell, touch or taste it. It's all in the mind. If you don't know, it can't effect your arousal level. You're just put off by the idea I'm a dirty bi, who does dirty things. So I stand by what I said. Based on the arguments I've covered.. if the sole reason that flick of a switch in your head changes because you found out I was bi... when all else was good... oh sorry love.. that's alright... it's just a preference... Still biiiiiiiiyyye you a pint in the pub? Still mates? Nah, I'm good thanks. Get some sleep, you're not even replying to the right people. I said nothing about "fat people", "tall people" or "race"? I'm the other black guy, comrade. That might explain the "change of tone" you've mistakenly noticed. " Yeah, I just realised I made a mistake on the last few posts in terms of who I'm talking to. So, I'll own that. I'll also take the sleep comment on board. I did try and say goodnight earlier. I may have got a few of your posts in particular mixed up. But not with the other black guy lol.. Unless there's a third black guy? I confess I don't really look at pics all the time. 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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
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" is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!! " Me and my mates nickname in work a while ago was Hitler youth for this reason. | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. " Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
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"You're condemning our preferences and at the same time suggesting that we must respect your preferences???? How far do you hope to get with that? I don't find anyone "standing up" or "sticking fingers up" to gay people who don't want to fuck the opposite gender. You're the one who's discriminating here, being a bigot. Well I'm standing up for all those who share the preference of not fucking bi people. We are entitled to our preferences. I don't get the need or desire to feel better about your choices by being defensively exclusive. Why do we need to be demons just so that you can feel more secure in your sexual identity? Seems you're creating phantom enemies to solidify your defence mechanisms against your own dislike for your bisexuality. You wouldn't kiss a man because of "society"?? Hahahaha, what utter BOLLOCKS! You already said you have no romantic interest in men. Society is against swinging too but you're here aren't you? Society is against infidelity but you cheated on your partner didn't you? You aren't forfeiting the fulfilment of your desires for a discriminatory "society" lol. C'mon my friend, let's be real. I mean you're fucking men or getting fucked, aren't you? Surely the same homophobic society that supposedly makes you guilty for kissing a man will hold you in a negative esteem for fucking them??? I'm not trying to insult here, just that it's not adding up. You do not live in a homophobic society. Same sex partnerships are legal. Swinging is actually less accepted than being gay or bi, so WTF are you on about, honestly? Me thinks you're projecting your own homophobia onto heterosexuals and heterophiles. Just because you fuck men doesn't exempt you from your own deep seated homophobia. Oh it's back? You got it right this time, well done. Still bile though. I mean how many times did you need to mention ass fucking in that? Was that necessary? You've mentioned two times more than me and look at all the shit I wrote! If someone has a some sexuality issues right now, it's not me. I tell you what though, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it if you like? I'm nice like that. Kind. Not mean. But you haven't been nice, and niceness and honesty don't always mix. I'm just being upfront with you. The ass part was to differentiate from the lips. It's purely objective. If you want to win by appealing to moral authority over the way in expressing my opposition to your perspective then you're entitled to that further defence mechanism layer. Deal with the points of disagreement, not your subjective opinion about how 'nice' you believe I am or not. And I rank authenticity above lukewarm and disingenuous 'niceness'. You're not being nice by underhandedly trying to usurp moral authority for yourself to my exclusion, to dismiss my perspective, are you? Oh I see your tone has changed, whereas your cock comrade still hasn't learnt anything. Congratulations. Bonus points for noticing my forked tongue, there's all sorts of other lessons within that initial post. If you go back to it and read from a perspective other than your own, you may change your current focus.. the offence at being called homophobic and down right determination to fight the accusation. Your comparison against fat people or tall people is stupid. When they arrive, they are clearly fat, clearly tall.. it has a visual impact that yes, some people find off putting. Race is different, I may as well butt in before you start on that one. There are so many different looks within one skin shade, that you can't honestly tell me there isn't someone suited to you in attraction stakes, pure madness. Sexuality is invisible, you cannot see hear, smell, touch or taste it. It's all in the mind. If you don't know, it can't effect your arousal level. You're just put off by the idea I'm a dirty bi, who does dirty things. So I stand by what I said. Based on the arguments I've covered.. if the sole reason that flick of a switch in your head changes because you found out I was bi... when all else was good... oh sorry love.. that's alright... it's just a preference... Still biiiiiiiiyyye you a pint in the pub? Still mates? Nah, I'm good thanks. Get some sleep, you're not even replying to the right people. I said nothing about "fat people", "tall people" or "race"? I'm the other black guy, comrade. That might explain the "change of tone" you've mistakenly noticed. Yeah, I just realised I made a mistake on the last few posts in terms of who I'm talking to. So, I'll own that. I'll also take the sleep comment on board. I did try and say goodnight earlier. I may have got a few of your posts in particular mixed up. But not with the other black guy lol.. Unless there's a third black guy? I confess I don't really look at pics all the time. Especially if its incoming from all angles. Big enough to admit mistakes. Goodnight to you all.. seriously this time. Feel like some of you dislike me a lot right now, that wasn't my intention. I don't feel as if I've made any enemies as such, I've no hard feelings about this thread. I'm also not bothered if you do, it was something I needed to say on my own thread, so I don't jump into others threads later. " I don't dislike you. It's really not personal at all. Just in response to the thread and subject matter and I can only speak for myself but I don't carry one thread over to another. So, it ends here. Sleep well my friend. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
I was looking for a set of words like this but could not find them probably because I couldn’t deliver it with the same level of impunity as you. Well said Gem.
I hope we will quickly learn more compassion, tolerance and understanding so ithe walls do indeed come tumbling down."I would gladly help you take the wall down brick by brick but treat us with compassion and tolerance and understanding or else there will be more people trying to build the wall higher quicker than it can be taken down night everyone | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office. "Don't think our post office offers that service
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office. "Have you noticed lots of husbands want some kind of bi play because the wife likes it? | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office.
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office.
Have you noticed lots of husbands want some kind of bi play because the wife likes it?
Not really because I'm gone like the wind if that is mentioned.
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Would j meet a single guy just me and him no , but I’ve been so horned up lol !!!!
I’m straight and glad I am and it’s on profile but if asked I always say if it’s for the inclusion of fem and hubby I’m happy to go with flow but if I’m not feeling it then no but on here for years there’s some one somewhere wanting to put labels on this and that and people in perticuler ... just go with the flow | |||
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"I'm a bisexual man (for the sake of this post) and if like to take you all on a little journey. Like most bisexual women, most bisexual men don't realise they are bisexual till they try it. Usually it's in their late 20's, 30's or even 40s, some even later on in life. Some lucky souls learn at a younger age, but given it usually takes a great deal of courage to expdriment in this way. Most of us are fully fledged adults when we find out. Society being what it is, puts pressure on people to be normal, to be abnormal is considered a bad thing. Most of us are at an age where at some point in your life, it was normal to call somebody "Gay" If you didn't like them. I'd like to hope that'd have changed by the time my children grow up. Unfortunately I hear them say it on a daily basis and constantly have to challenge them on its use as an insult. My children have no idea I'm bisexual. I don't dress publically (not that dressing and sexuality are always connected). I don't have and never will have a boyfriend. My sex life is my private business, as is my sexuality. I choose to appear straight 100% of the time. Not that it changes anything I say, do, act or behave , in anyway. I choose to with old this information for a very good reason. Being called a "Batty boy" Isn't one. Fear of my homophobic parents reaction isn't the reason I'm a closet bi either. I was once rejected by someone I loved, because I was too scared to admit my bisexuality to her. I tried to repress it, tried not to be who I was. It made me unhappy, unhealthy and start acting out of character, to the point the relationship ended, because I was caught cheating. If I couldn't tell the person closest to me, how I felt about my sexuality, because I was so ashamed of it. Then you lot haven't got a chance in Hell getting the truth out of men and sexuality on this website. You could put it down to me being a "Cunt" Being a weak man. A dishonest man. A typical man. In truth I never cheated before and I'll never cheat again. I'm a Good Man, a kind man and an honest man. Not your typical bloke. I did what I did, I made my choices and now I have to live with the pain I caused to the person I loved. In reality, my bisexuality would not have been an issue for her, it was the cheating and the long list of lies used to cover it. I didn't know that though, not the way she spoke about one of her exes, who turned out to be Bi. She always knew he was a bit of a wierdo. Not the way society treats bi men. Not the way everyone I've met speaks about bi men. Even gay people saying things like it's only because of our desperation level that we're bisexual! I've been reading a lot of bullshit on here this week about preferences. That some couples and some women prefer not to meet bisexual men. Usually a reason like Bi men are a high STI risk group, guess whos right up there alongside us? Swingers! So thats a dead argument. Anyone worth their salt on this site plays safe, or s adult enough to know that there are risks. I've never gone Bareback with a man in my life. I've only taken the condom off for relationships with women. I've eluded to this twice in the thread so I'd best point out. Romantically speaking, men are dead to me. I'm only physically sexually bisexual. I can't even kiss a man on the lips, probably because my bisexuality is fucked up.. thanks to all the homophobic bullshit going on in the world. Or maybe I'm just a freak? Nowadays I only reveal my bisexuality to a few select people. All women I've grown to trust, all women I was honest about it from the start with. I personally deem they have a right to know, because they're choosing to share their body with me. I respect them enough to admit it. It fills me with dread each time, I despise having to do so. However, I spend time getting to know them first, we share other secrets, teach each other about one another and learn to trust one another first. I feel like they have earnt the right to know me. A couple on Fab who've not said they don't meet bi men. Not asked whether I was bi. Get upset because I didn't tell them I was bi beforehand. Get lost. When we're you there for me? How many of my birthdays have you come to? How many times a week do we talk? You think you've a right to ask my sexuality? Think again. If I want to meet you for straight fun, then my bisexuality should be irrelevant. I'm not going to be looking at your man whilst hanging out the back of you, I'm not going to grab his cock out the blue. If I'm there to play straight, that's what I'm in the mood for. There are plenty of gorgeous bisexual couples, plenty of beautiful Tgirls and loads of fit men. If I wanted a cock, I could have asked them very nicely instead of darkening your foul door. The last argument I think you can make, for defending your preference to not being infected by bisexuality. Is that once you find out, that you no longer see us as the sexy object of lust you once thought of us as. Your opinion changes, based on one fact. Sexuality. Which by it's very definition makes you homophobic. I've no problem with that, I've a problem with dishonesty. If that's how you feel, own it. At least we know where we stand. You have your little group of friends and stay over there at the party's and clubs. I'll be with everyone else, having fun. Enjoying my life and being myself. I had to get this off my chest for my own sanity, else I'd I've been destroying other people's negative posts and allowing their negativity to consume me. So apologies for the essay. I don't expect any responses. I'm also not replying to any negative comments on this. I'm just trying to help you understand why people lie. You've usually not shown them enough respect to deserve the truth. 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"There's literally thousands of people on here who I don't want to have sex with. If that makes me homophobic, racist, ageist, size-ist, sexist, transphobic, biphobic, disabled-phobic, heightist, etc... I'm absolutely fine with that. People can say "no" to sex at any point. I evaluate the information that I have about that person. I may say no immediately, or I may say no after chatting online, or meeting them for a coffee, or when I find out new information about them. If they choose to insult me because I don't want to have sex with them, I'm happy because I know I made the right decision. "Really well put accross and should be appreciated that experimenting is everyone’s choive and the message from bitter guy saying to a female friend of mine ,, if you were out a wouldn’t look twice at you but here you think your all that and she replied I’m with Male friend and sent him a pic of my cock and said you even come close to this you can come over and mr will leave  never heard back xx | |||
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"Bisexuality is stigmatized in this country for men ,but in other countries and cultures it's not,look at the Greeks for instance ,or south American countries ,Hispanic countries,even in Italy it's not considered gay to sleep with a trans " You're wrong, it just appears that way to outsiders. I've lived in many of the countries and places you just listed. Greece is full of Orthodox Christians who on the whole are very anti-homosexual, despite the ancient Greeks love of a bit of Man on Boy fun. South America may have some of the most beautiful trans women, however like Spain and Italy, there are many strict Catholics, who also feel homosexuality is wrong. Even in Brazil with its Mardi Gras Carnival, won't tolerate gay footballers playing in the same professional league as the other Atheletes. Britain on the other hand is probably one of the most open minded countries I've ever lived in, which is one of very few reasons I'm proud to be British nowadays. As you can see from the response this thread got, there's still a lot of misunderstanding, ignorance, scepticism, fear and stereotyping going on, a lot of work left to do. I think that's about all I want to say on this now. Thankyou for your comments, everyone. I personally recognise and empathise with your view to not want bisexual men in your sex life. Your body, your choice. Even though I have thrown around the word homophobic, I don't think you're a bad person for being so. I don't blame you. Hold no personal ill feeling towards you for being so. Despite the bubbling anger that occasionally surfaces. It was brought to my attention, by the professor I believe, that by making this thread off the back of another, was the wrong thing to do. I can see why he feels that way. In my defence I didn't want to take over that thread with my pity party, but felt an overwhelming urge to get this off my chest. Have a nice day. | |||
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"Another count down teaser lol , I have a mans cock in my mouth and been sucked by a man but only in a couple or meets with a couple but I’m niether bi or curious—- I’m cool with hoping my whatever makes the couple I’m with enjoy the experience more !!! Do I enjoy it I’m trifled my teeth will be painful so more thinking bout that and some of the best blow Jobs I’ve had from the guy
Would j meet a single guy just me and him no , but I’ve been so horned up lol !!!!
I’m straight and glad I am and it’s on profile but if asked I always say if it’s for the inclusion of fem and hubby I’m happy to go with flow but if I’m not feeling it then no but on here for years there’s some one somewhere wanting to put labels on this and that and people in perticuler ... just go with the flow "Here's where that kinsey scale actually comes in handy... You are not a 0 (zero). That is all. | |||
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"It was brought to my attention, by the professor I believe, that by making this thread off the back of another, was the wrong thing to do. I can see why he feels that way. In my defence I didn't want to take over that thread with my pity party, but felt an overwhelming urge to get this off my chest. Have a nice day." If you're referring to me then you have again got me confused with someone else or are misremembering what I've actually contributed here. I've said nothing at all related to "making this thread off the back of another". In principle, I cannot accept comments I never made to be accredited to me, even if it's a harmless or even beneficial comment, or even if I agree with it. You gotta get this right man. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
"As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things. But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are | |||
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"Another count down teaser lol , I have a mans cock in my mouth and been sucked by a man but only in a couple or meets with a couple but I’m niether bi or curious—- I’m cool with hoping my whatever makes the couple I’m with enjoy the experience more !!! Do I enjoy it I’m trifled my teeth will be painful so more thinking bout that and some of the best blow Jobs I’ve had from the guy
Would j meet a single guy just me and him no , but I’ve been so horned up lol !!!!
I’m straight and glad I am and it’s on profile but if asked I always say if it’s for the inclusion of fem and hubby I’m happy to go with flow but if I’m not feeling it then no but on here for years there’s some one somewhere wanting to put labels on this and that and people in perticuler ... just go with the flow
Here's where that kinsey scale actually comes in handy... You are not a 0 (zero). That is all. "I’m a me one of a kind and I put Brussels sprouts in my mouth and depending what I’m having ye that’s actually ok But trying them with something a bit different good god know and don’t try it like that agajn and j don’t like or dislike sprouts but sometimes all the ingredients just click and it’s good ?????? | |||
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"There's literally thousands of people on here who I don't want to have sex with. If that makes me homophobic, racist, ageist, size-ist, sexist, transphobic, biphobic, disabled-phobic, heightist, etc... I'm absolutely fine with that. People can say "no" to sex at any point. I evaluate the information that I have about that person. I may say no immediately, or I may say no after chatting online, or meeting them for a coffee, or when I find out new information about them. If they choose to insult me because I don't want to have sex with them, I'm happy because I know I made the right decision. "Very true Heels | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are"Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes. I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances. I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men. As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own. | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing Not derailing at all 0 I think youre wrong, sorry. I think female bisexuality is globally far more accepted. But you're also right, because men have fantasized over it. Men have been in control since forever, heads of every organisation, dictating what we see and what we don't.
"I’m no historian but, from what I glean, male bisexuality was fine with the Ancient Greeks and the Romans, and probably into the Middle Ages and later. It was the prim Victorians who decided that sex in general was to be kept behind closed doors. So maybe the last 150 years or so has been a blip and things are loosening up again. It’s also a fallacy that men have *always* been in control. Again the Romans are a good example of this, The Egyptians, Elizabeth 1st etc etc | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are"I think the key is understanding why they create the two profiles and then working to create a place where they don’t feel the need to be anything other than themselves. | |||
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"I'm sure people will read this however they choose.. but having dated several bi guys much of this resonates with what I know too. The stigma remains with far too many people and it saddens me that bi men are nowhere near as accepted as bi women. I'm not sure that female bisexuality is as widely accepted as it would seem on face value though. How often is it fetishised and seen a trick to please the guys? Just a thought really. I don't mean to derail the thread with my musing Not derailing at all 0 I think youre wrong, sorry. I think female bisexuality is globally far more accepted. But you're also right, because men have fantasized over it. Men have been in control since forever, heads of every organisation, dictating what we see and what we don't.
I’m no historian but, from what I glean, male bisexuality was fine with the Ancient Greeks and the Romans, and probably into the Middle Ages and later. It was the prim Victorians who decided that sex in general was to be kept behind closed doors. So maybe the last 150 years or so has been a blip and things are loosening up again. It’s also a fallacy that men have *always* been in control. Again the Romans are a good example of this, The Egyptians, Elizabeth 1st etc etc "Another really good point. | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office.
Have you noticed lots of husbands want some kind of bi play because the wife likes it?
Not really because I'm gone like the wind if that is mentioned.
They must be curious though as I would only even consider doing that for an awful lot of money! Under the thumb maybe."——- For someone who is vehement about being “straight and manly” you seem to appear on a lot of threads about bi males. Just saying. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are
Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes.
I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances.
I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men.
As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own."This idea that if something is a "preference" it cannot be discriminatory does my head in. Take the following analogy: a new man starts at your workplace. You discover he is bi. He invites you and your other colleagues out for a drink at bar ?. Situation A: you decline his offer because you have been to bar ? before and you didn't like it. Situation B: you decline his offer because you don't like socialising with bi people. Both situations involve preferences. B is a discriminatory one, A is not. Ditto if you don't want a meet involving male on male sex (analogous to situation A) and if you refuse to meet bi men even if there's no male on male sex involved (analogous to situation B) . B is discrimination, A is not. Obviously everyone is entitled to be as discriminatory as they like in their personal and sexual lives, but let's at least be honest about it. | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office.
Have you noticed lots of husbands want some kind of bi play because the wife likes it?
Not really because I'm gone like the wind if that is mentioned.
They must be curious though as I would only even consider doing that for an awful lot of money! Under the thumb maybe.
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I think on a site like this we need to accept that the majority aren't telling the truth and will say anything to get what they want.
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are
Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes.
I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances.
I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men.
As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own.
This idea that if something is a "preference" it cannot be discriminatory does my head in.
Take the following analogy: a new man starts at your workplace. You discover he is bi. He invites you and your other colleagues out for a drink at bar ?.
Situation A: you decline his offer because you have been to bar ? before and you didn't like it.
Situation B: you decline his offer because you don't like socialising with bi people.
Both situations involve preferences. B is a discriminatory one, A is not.
Ditto if you don't want a meet involving male on male sex (analogous to situation A) and if you refuse to meet bi men even if there's no male on male sex involved (analogous to situation B) . B is discrimination, A is not.
Obviously everyone is entitled to be as discriminatory as they like in their personal and sexual lives, but let's at least be honest about it. "Good point too but again we need to discriminate between preferences that are based on attraction and those based on ignorance, fear and prejudice | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head." Damn right! Awesome post OP | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office.
Have you noticed lots of husbands want some kind of bi play because the wife likes it?
Not really because I'm gone like the wind if that is mentioned.
They must be curious though as I would only even consider doing that for an awful lot of money! Under the thumb maybe.
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For someone who is vehement about being “straight and manly” you seem to appear on a lot of threads about bi males. Just saying. Only threads that are relative and to give balance and perspective from a genuine Straight male.
Straight loses it's meaning on here when all these bi men decide to lie."Plus the fact if I was bi I don't think I would have time to post on here with all the sex I'd be having haha. They seem to really like me, i think it's the hair. I've been 1 gay bar on the promise that there would be loads of women there but you got no chance trying to pull a lesbian. Never been hit on so much a few said to me "Aren't you butch" and I said "No, I'm just Straight mate" | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are
Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes.
I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances.
I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men.
As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own.
This idea that if something is a "preference" it cannot be discriminatory does my head in.
Take the following analogy: a new man starts at your workplace. You discover he is bi. He invites you and your other colleagues out for a drink at bar ?.
Situation A: you decline his offer because you have been to bar ? before and you didn't like it.
Situation B: you decline his offer because you don't like socialising with bi people.
Both situations involve preferences. B is a discriminatory one, A is not.
Ditto if you don't want a meet involving male on male sex (analogous to situation A) and if you refuse to meet bi men even if there's no male on male sex involved (analogous to situation B) . B is discrimination, A is not.
Obviously everyone is entitled to be as discriminatory as they like in their personal and sexual lives, but let's at least be honest about it. "If we're getting into semantics of word definitions then I'd still say choosing not to meet bisexual men is not discriminatory (making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.) - even if male on male play is not on the table - as I stated in my original post there are many and varied reasons that people prefer not to meet bisexual men, some of them will be discriminatory others won't. The key however is in how that choice, that preference, is expressed. I certainly don't perceive it as unfair when someone won't meet me because I am bisexual, nor do I normally perceive it as coming from a prejudicial (harmful to someone or something; detrimental.) angle and therefore don't see myself as being discriminated against. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are
Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes.
I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances.
I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men.
As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own.
This idea that if something is a "preference" it cannot be discriminatory does my head in.
Take the following analogy: a new man starts at your workplace. You discover he is bi. He invites you and your other colleagues out for a drink at bar ?.
Situation A: you decline his offer because you have been to bar ? before and you didn't like it.
Situation B: you decline his offer because you don't like socialising with bi people.
Both situations involve preferences. B is a discriminatory one, A is not.
Ditto if you don't want a meet involving male on male sex (analogous to situation A) and if you refuse to meet bi men even if there's no male on male sex involved (analogous to situation B) . B is discrimination, A is not.
Obviously everyone is entitled to be as discriminatory as they like in their personal and sexual lives, but let's at least be honest about it.
If we're getting into semantics of word definitions then I'd still say choosing not to meet bisexual men is not discriminatory (making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.) - even if male on male play is not on the table - as I stated in my original post there are many and varied reasons that people prefer not to meet bisexual men, some of them will be discriminatory others won't.
The key however is in how that choice, that preference, is expressed.
I certainly don't perceive it as unfair when someone won't meet me because I am bisexual, nor do I normally perceive it as coming from a prejudicial (harmful to someone or something; detrimental.) angle and therefore don't see myself as being discriminated against."I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory. If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are
Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes.
I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances.
I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men.
As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own.
This idea that if something is a "preference" it cannot be discriminatory does my head in.
Take the following analogy: a new man starts at your workplace. You discover he is bi. He invites you and your other colleagues out for a drink at bar ?.
Situation A: you decline his offer because you have been to bar ? before and you didn't like it.
Situation B: you decline his offer because you don't like socialising with bi people.
Both situations involve preferences. B is a discriminatory one, A is not.
Ditto if you don't want a meet involving male on male sex (analogous to situation A) and if you refuse to meet bi men even if there's no male on male sex involved (analogous to situation B) . B is discrimination, A is not.
Obviously everyone is entitled to be as discriminatory as they like in their personal and sexual lives, but let's at least be honest about it.
If we're getting into semantics of word definitions then I'd still say choosing not to meet bisexual men is not discriminatory (making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.) - even if male on male play is not on the table - as I stated in my original post there are many and varied reasons that people prefer not to meet bisexual men, some of them will be discriminatory others won't.
The key however is in how that choice, that preference, is expressed.
I certainly don't perceive it as unfair when someone won't meet me because I am bisexual, nor do I normally perceive it as coming from a prejudicial (harmful to someone or something; detrimental.) angle and therefore don't see myself as being discriminated against.
I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory.
If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? "Their attraction levels must drop though when they find that out. | |||
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"I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory. If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? " If you are someone that prefers not to meet bisexual men would it even get as far as there being an attraction anyway? So it's a very much hypothetical situation and one that in reality is probably limited to here (where we advertise our sexuality or not as the case might be) rather than real life anyway. Putting that aside though - people have many reasons for choosing not to meet bisexual men, one of them being it limits their ability to give blood if they are donors, so in that circumstance the preference is not discriminatory as I'm sure you'll agree. The other that is often given is that bisexual men are a higher risk group for STIs and people that won't meet them therefore choose to minimise their own risks by not meeting bisexual men whose word is all they have for how much those bisexual men take care of their sexual health - again not necessarily discriminatory, although possibly open to question given swingers are also considered a high risk group. There are I am sure, other reasons that in themselves are not discriminatory as in unfair or prejudiced, even though they may be grounded in fear or lack of knowledge. Either way I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that it's how people express their preferences that is key not what those preferences are necessarily. | |||
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"I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory. If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? If you are someone that prefers not to meet bisexual men would it even get as far as there being an attraction anyway? So it's a very much hypothetical situation and one that in reality is probably limited to here (where we advertise our sexuality or not as the case might be) rather than real life anyway. Putting that aside though - people have many reasons for choosing not to meet bisexual men, one of them being it limits their ability to give blood if they are donors, so in that circumstance the preference is not discriminatory as I'm sure you'll agree. The other that is often given is that bisexual men are a higher risk group for STIs and people that won't meet them therefore choose to minimise their own risks by not meeting bisexual men whose word is all they have for how much those bisexual men take care of their sexual health - again not necessarily discriminatory, although possibly open to question given swingers are also considered a high risk group. There are I am sure, other reasons that in themselves are not discriminatory as in unfair or prejudiced, even though they may be grounded in fear or lack of knowledge. Either way I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that it's how people express their preferences that is key not what those preferences are necessarily." But aren't most prejudices grounded in "fear or lack of knowledge". Someone may sincerely believe that all Muslim men are child abusers because they are scared of Muslim men and don't know anything about them. We would still call that unfair prejudice would we not? I not trying to argue that people who don't want to see bi men should, that's a matter for them, but equally I think we should identify prejudice for what it is and not make excuses for it. | |||
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"I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory. If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? If you are someone that prefers not to meet bisexual men would it even get as far as there being an attraction anyway? So it's a very much hypothetical situation and one that in reality is probably limited to here (where we advertise our sexuality or not as the case might be) rather than real life anyway. Putting that aside though - people have many reasons for choosing not to meet bisexual men, one of them being it limits their ability to give blood if they are donors, so in that circumstance the preference is not discriminatory as I'm sure you'll agree. The other that is often given is that bisexual men are a higher risk group for STIs and people that won't meet them therefore choose to minimise their own risks by not meeting bisexual men whose word is all they have for how much those bisexual men take care of their sexual health - again not necessarily discriminatory, although possibly open to question given swingers are also considered a high risk group. There are I am sure, other reasons that in themselves are not discriminatory as in unfair or prejudiced, even though they may be grounded in fear or lack of knowledge. Either way I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that it's how people express their preferences that is key not what those preferences are necessarily. But aren't most prejudices grounded in "fear or lack of knowledge". Someone may sincerely believe that all Muslim men are child abusers because they are scared of Muslim men and don't know anything about them. We would still call that unfair prejudice would we not? I not trying to argue that people who don't want to see bi men should, that's a matter for them, but equally I think we should identify prejudice for what it is and not make excuses for it. " Some are some aren't and in the instance you cite that certainly would be both unfair and prejudiced, not to mention a huge leap of judgement - but, to get back to the topic at hand, there are plenty of reasons (of which I gave two very valid ones) where people are neither being prejudicial nor unfair for holding a preference not to meet bisexual men. No excuses being made here nor prejudice seen. | |||
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"I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory. If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? If you are someone that prefers not to meet bisexual men would it even get as far as there being an attraction anyway? So it's a very much hypothetical situation and one that in reality is probably limited to here (where we advertise our sexuality or not as the case might be) rather than real life anyway. Putting that aside though - people have many reasons for choosing not to meet bisexual men, one of them being it limits their ability to give blood if they are donors, so in that circumstance the preference is not discriminatory as I'm sure you'll agree. The other that is often given is that bisexual men are a higher risk group for STIs and people that won't meet them therefore choose to minimise their own risks by not meeting bisexual men whose word is all they have for how much those bisexual men take care of their sexual health - again not necessarily discriminatory, although possibly open to question given swingers are also considered a high risk group. There are I am sure, other reasons that in themselves are not discriminatory as in unfair or prejudiced, even though they may be grounded in fear or lack of knowledge. Either way I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that it's how people express their preferences that is key not what those preferences are necessarily. But aren't most prejudices grounded in "fear or lack of knowledge". Someone may sincerely believe that all Muslim men are child abusers because they are scared of Muslim men and don't know anything about them. We would still call that unfair prejudice would we not? I not trying to argue that people who don't want to see bi men should, that's a matter for them, but equally I think we should identify prejudice for what it is and not make excuses for it. Some are some aren't and in the instance you cite that certainly would be both unfair and prejudiced, not to mention a huge leap of judgement - but, to get back to the topic at hand, there are plenty of reasons (of which I gave two very valid ones) where people are neither being prejudicial nor unfair for holding a preference not to meet bisexual men. No excuses being made here nor prejudice seen." I'll grant your blood donating one isn't irrational prejudice but I suspect that's a reason for a tiny number. As for the health reason, the increase in risk in swingers playing safe with bi guys is tiny. Hence I would say that reason is essentially prejudical. | |||
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I think on a site like this we need to accept that the majority aren't telling the truth and will say anything to get what they want.
We all have our preferences and would rather we weren't lied to - but after spending time on here I've realised that if you want the truth about sexual history and sexuality then you're in the wrong place "And despite all the protestations , the long winded replies trying to justify this that or the other , and everything else on this thread , this is the only post worth reading . | |||
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" If I only had sex with blond men would that make me colourist? " No, you would just have exquisite taste. | |||
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" If I only had sex with blond men would that make me colourist? No, you would just have exquisite taste. "That's made me laugh mr brunette | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. So if they want to have sex with you, they have no right to ask if you are bisexual? Well that's up to you. But don't moan when they don't want to fuck you in case you are. Because like it or not, that is their right. I know there is stigma against bi guys. I am bi too though fully bi, I have and would have same sex relationships. I see at parties and in clubs most people like to see bi girls get it on, while it is frowned upon for bi guys to play. I even held my own parties for bi people with the stipulation that anyone attending was comfortable seeing bi or gay action. So yes I see some of the argument. What I don't agree with is someone "changing their view of you" as in no longer wanting to have sex with you, because you are bisexual, is homophobic. It is their choice. Discrimination laws do not cover having sex. And if having sex with someone that is bi makes someone uncomfortable, then that is that. If you choose not to divulge your sexuality and that is a deal breaker for them, tough. If you deceive them about your sexuality that is wrong and your choice, nobody else's. An intelligent response
I'd argue, just because something is written down, or is written down in law... that doesn't dictate how you should and shouldn't behave. Mostly it is, but loads of its wrong and loads of its yet to catch up.
There is tons of racism on here and loads of homophobia, there's loads of discrimination based on perceived disability and age.
You don't need a law to tell you what's morally right and wrong.
If someone was happy to have sex with me, till they found out I was bi. That one factor changed it. There has to be an element of homophobia to it. Phobia is a strong word, perhaps. Discrimination is better.
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"... being messaged back from people who "want a real man" or telling me to "fuck off to the sister site you queer bastard". You get that? Holy crap. There's some utter chodes on here :/ WTF is wrong with just not engaging with people that don't suit you? It's like when a woman knocks a guy back and he's like "oh, you're too fat for me anyway" or whatever... Clearly she wasn't that fat five minutes ago wheb you sent that 'FAF' message... Do people not learn about positive mental attitudes, or it being nice to be nice anymore..? "Exactly. By all means ignore and delete the message, then block me. Just don't message back with an insult. It's like stepping back in time 50 years when you talk to some people. Why the assumption that I am some sort of fey, mincing queen? I'm a bi bloke and they wouldn't know it until I told them. They can't get the idea that most bi or gay men are not camp. It's just the camp ones that they notice! Makes me wonder what they would do if their siblings, kids or nieces and nephews came out. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. " "Precious straight body"? | |||
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"I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory. If you are attracted to him in every other way and there is agreement as to what will be done in any meet how can it possibly not be prejudice if you refuse to meet him purely because he has had sex with men on other occasions? If you are someone that prefers not to meet bisexual men would it even get as far as there being an attraction anyway? So it's a very much hypothetical situation and one that in reality is probably limited to here (where we advertise our sexuality or not as the case might be) rather than real life anyway. Putting that aside though - people have many reasons for choosing not to meet bisexual men, one of them being it limits their ability to give blood if they are donors, so in that circumstance the preference is not discriminatory as I'm sure you'll agree. The other that is often given is that bisexual men are a higher risk group for STIs and people that won't meet them therefore choose to minimise their own risks by not meeting bisexual men whose word is all they have for how much those bisexual men take care of their sexual health - again not necessarily discriminatory, although possibly open to question given swingers are also considered a high risk group. There are I am sure, other reasons that in themselves are not discriminatory as in unfair or prejudiced, even though they may be grounded in fear or lack of knowledge. Either way I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that it's how people express their preferences that is key not what those preferences are necessarily. But aren't most prejudices grounded in "fear or lack of knowledge". Someone may sincerely believe that all Muslim men are child abusers because they are scared of Muslim men and don't know anything about them. We would still call that unfair prejudice would we not? I not trying to argue that people who don't want to see bi men should, that's a matter for them, but equally I think we should identify prejudice for what it is and not make excuses for it. Some are some aren't and in the instance you cite that certainly would be both unfair and prejudiced, not to mention a huge leap of judgement - but, to get back to the topic at hand, there are plenty of reasons (of which I gave two very valid ones) where people are neither being prejudicial nor unfair for holding a preference not to meet bisexual men. No excuses being made here nor prejudice seen. I'll grant your blood donating one isn't irrational prejudice but I suspect that's a reason for a tiny number. As for the health reason, the increase in risk in swingers playing safe with bi guys is tiny. Hence I would say that reason is essentially prejudical. " The increase in risk may be tiny (or not, I honestly don't know) but as is often said on threads about sexual health, we each assess our risks, make decisions and set boundaries based on those assessments - if someone assesses the increased risk (tiny or otherwise) associated with meeting a bisexual guy as being a risk they don't want to take I wouldn't call that prejudicial at all. Ultimately though we can debate the various points ad infinitum but it comes back to what it always does - personal preference, and so long as someone doesn't express that preference in a hate filled and bigoted way, I shall continue to both respect and accept that preference no matter what it pertains to. | |||
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"I'm exhausted after that
I think on a site like this we need to accept that the majority aren't telling the truth and will say anything to get what they want.
We all have our preferences and would rather we weren't lied to - but after spending time on here I've realised that if you want the truth about sexual history and sexuality then you're in the wrong place
And despite all the protestations , the long winded replies trying to justify this that or the other , and everything else on this thread , this is the only post worth reading .
"That's not strictly true though as there's no lies on our profile and we answer any questions with an honest answer. Going back to the original question though, if every 'fabstraight' guy was truthful about their sexuality (going by the amount of straight bi's that message us) then the available pool of truly straight men would be so limited that the 'anti bi's' would have to change their stance on meeting bi guys or resign themselves to fucking the same guys that all the other 'anti's' are fucking. Stand up and be counted guys as the ones who lie are as much a part of the problem as those who choose not to meet us unclean, predatory and untrustworthy men. | |||
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"I’m sorry I couldn’t read the whole post.... Can someone give me a brief synopsis? The OP believes that everyone who wants the right to know if a man is straight or bi before having sex with him is homophobic, and it's OK for bi men to deceive them therefore. That's pretty much what I got from it too I'd summarise it as... If all you want is my body, you've no right to know what's going on in my head. But it's not about YOUR rights if you deceive someone - it's about THEIRS!!! That's what I'm arguing against. Cheating involved and I'd agree with you. Based on sexuality alone.. singles having fun with singles or couples. No. You've no rights to my data. That's in law. It's not a preference. You've no right to that information. So if it's something you're worried about. Don't want to let a gay near your precious straight body. I'd advise you have written clear as day on your profile. Will not meet bisexual men. Then at least the decent respectable kind know to stay well clear of you and not engage you in conversation in the forum, or elsewhere. "Precious straight body"? " Yup, that was a vicious little insult wasn't it. | |||
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"U don't know if u bi till u try it u must been watching too much YouTube videos And I did let a guy suck my cock once, purely for my wife's pleasure as he asked during a threesome while she played with me, I have never got soft so quickly. Wasn't freaked out or disgusted, just completely turned off. Please hand in your Straight card at the nearest post office.
Have you noticed lots of husbands want some kind of bi play because the wife likes it?
Not really because I'm gone like the wind if that is mentioned.
They must be curious though as I would only even consider doing that for an awful lot of money! Under the thumb maybe.
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"So let me get this straight (no pun intended). According to some of you, if a straight couple don't wish to have sex with a Bisexual guy, it's got nothing to do with their preference, they are just Homophobic? So obviously by the same reasoning if a gay man refuses to have sex with a woman he is heterophobic? You really couldn't make this tripe up.. " That's a very good point - a heterosexuals choice to only have sex with another heterosexual may be exactly that, a SEXUAL preference, a preference for a particular type of sex with other people who prefer the same. No one has a right to impose on me or anyone else what type of sex they prefer on any given day, nor accuse them of bigotry, or deliberately deceive them to negate that choice. I find words like ignorance and prejudice inflammatory, accusatory, and unecessary. As Gemini man said, there are plenty of totally legitimate and logical reasons for making any sexual choice, and how you feel about something is a totally legitimate reason too. Fear can be legitimately based on an informed position of sound evidence as well as ignorance, and we are all entitled to choose to be as risk-aversive (or not) as we choose on any given day, faced with any individual choice. To insult or accuse people for such a choice is wrong IMO, and to knowingly deceive them into sex is beyond the pale. | |||
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"As a bisexual male I've read through large chunks of this thread with disbelief - people that don't want to meet me because I am bisexual are, by definition, homophobic?
I'm sorry OP but that's a sweeping generalisation at best, yes there are *some* people out there that are homophobic and overtly so, and they should rightly be condemned, but to say *all* people that won't meet bisexual guys are homophobic is like saying *all* people that will only meet blue eyed blonde people must be part of the Third Reich!!
People have preferences and are entitled to them, whether that be a preference to meet people who are taller than them, ones who have a liking for kink play, or indeed ones who have the same sexuality as them (whether that be straight, bi, gay or whatever) - the reasons for those preferences don't have to be based in hatred, or any kind of phobia at all. People have all sorts of reasons for preferring not to meet bisexual guys, some of them will be down to lack of understanding, some will be fear, some will be entirely irrational, some will be the antiquated approach to giving blood that's in existence still that says you can't give blood if you have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man in the last three months (which I agree needs to change but It's the ruling of the blood donation service not the individuals that want to give blood) and yes some again will be through homophobic and bigoted views - but that doesn't mean all.
Personally speaking if someone doesn't want to meet me because of my sexuality I accept that and move on unless of course their reasons for that preference are grounded in hatred and bigotry in which case they'll get both barrels - but in my experience those that would get that account for less than 5% of those with that as their reason.
Unfortunately threads like this that appear to go on the offensive and attack anyone that expresses a preference not to meet bisexual men, are not going to help the cause as you suggest, in fact as the reaction has shown quite the opposite.
I saw the original thread that this came out of and frankly avoided it as it was somewhat contentious, but the premise that arose that it's ok to deceive others by having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is not something I personally agree with or can condone - whichever way you look at it, it's being deceitful and if someone is lying about their sexuality to get a meet, you have to question what else they are lying about? When they say they don't bareback and have tested clean, are they telling the truth about that? When they say they're not married, are they lying about that? And so the downward spiral continues - as a bisexual man I won't meet "Fab straight" guys for precisely those reasons.
As I often say, there are just as many, if not more, people that will meet bisexual guys, and in fact actively seek them, that I don't see the need to hide my bisexuality and also don't really understand why those that do hide it need to either - they're not only deluding themselves if they think it will improve their chances of a meet, but they are deceiving others.
Yes there's a stigma still attached to bisexual men in some quarters but those walls are slowly coming down, with more clubs hosting bi nights, and in fact a few advertising they promote all sexualities on any night - it won't be completely gone of course until that applies to all clubs etc and male bisexuality is as accepted as straight or gay is today but attacking people who have a preference they are entitled to by calling them hompophobic is not the way to bring down those walls further.
As the possible instigator of all this (whoops!) I'm still not sure why 2 profiles is wrong. No one bats an eye at a couple both having singles profiles. It odds looking for different things.
But anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Whilst everyone has their preferences, to judge is wrong. To not want to do it is fine, but to ignore others for it is wrong. It goes for bi, bare back, race, any number of the things that people decide are wrong. You don't need to do it, but accept how others are
Of course judging someone for their sexuality, skin colour, size etc is wrong and I made that perfectly clear in my post - however having a preference is absolutely *not* judging (unless expressed in a judgemental way), it's having a preference no different from preferring coffee over tea, or for holidaying abroad rather than in Britain, or any other every day choice we all make based on individual tastes.
I've also made it clear why, for me anyway, having two profiles, one straight and one bisexual is wrong - it's used as a means to get round people's preferences and therefore is deceitful. Yes, some couples do also have single profiles (I'm one of them) but that's to facilitate them meeting separately and is a world of difference between having two profiles each with a different sexuality - that said I still think it key for couples that play that way to be clear and open about their various profiles, and individual circumstances.
I'm not saying it's the case here necessarily, but I do think bisexual men can sometimes not help their case by crying foul when someone won't meet them because of a preference not to meet bisexual men.
As I said in my original post, if someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm bisexual, I accept it, just as I accept that someone doesn't want to meet me because I'm 53, have a beard, am not toned or any of the other myriad reasons people don't find me an attractive prospect to meet - they're their preferences and they have every right to them, just as I have every right to my own.
This idea that if something is a "preference" it cannot be discriminatory does my head in.
Take the following analogy: a new man starts at your workplace. You discover he is bi. He invites you and your other colleagues out for a drink at bar ?.
Situation A: you decline his offer because you have been to bar ? before and you didn't like it.
Situation B: you decline his offer because you don't like socialising with bi people.
Both situations involve preferences. B is a discriminatory one, A is not.
Ditto if you don't want a meet involving male on male sex (analogous to situation A) and if you refuse to meet bi men even if there's no male on male sex involved (analogous to situation B) . B is discrimination, A is not.
Obviously everyone is entitled to be as discriminatory as they like in their personal and sexual lives, but let's at least be honest about it.
If we're getting into semantics of word definitions then I'd still say choosing not to meet bisexual men is not discriminatory (making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.) - even if male on male play is not on the table - as I stated in my original post there are many and varied reasons that people prefer not to meet bisexual men, some of them will be discriminatory others won't.
The key however is in how that choice, that preference, is expressed.
I certainly don't perceive it as unfair when someone won't meet me because I am bisexual, nor do I normally perceive it as coming from a prejudicial (harmful to someone or something; detrimental.) angle and therefore don't see myself as being discriminated against.
I find it difficult to understand how refusing to meet a bi man purely because they are bi cannot be anything other than unfairly discriminatory.
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! " Damn, if only you weren't outside my age range!!
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! " You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. That is not a preference, it's discrimination based off one factor, sexuality. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. " Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment." Exactly Frisky and pretty much what I said further upthread
Based on sexuality alone doesn't mean homophobia (dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.) either - it can do, but doesn't automatically have to, either partially or otherwise (not that I am sure you can be partially homophobic, you either are or you aren't) - it means you have a preference plain and simple and I'll defend anyone's right to have a preference not to meet me so long as it's not based in hatred and bigotry. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. Exactly Frisky and pretty much what I said further upthread
Based on sexuality alone doesn't mean homophobia (dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.) either - it can do, but doesn't automatically have to, either partially or otherwise (not that I am sure you can be partially homophobic, you either are or you aren't) - it means you have a preference plain and simple and I'll defend anyone's right to have a preference not to meet me so long as it's not based in hatred and bigotry."Yup, I totally agree with your post. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment." That's a tad hypocritical if it's coming from a swinger. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. Exactly Frisky and pretty much what I said further upthread
Based on sexuality alone doesn't mean homophobia (dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.) either - it can do, but doesn't automatically have to, either partially or otherwise (not that I am sure you can be partially homophobic, you either are or you aren't) - it means you have a preference plain and simple and I'll defend anyone's right to have a preference not to meet me so long as it's not based in hatred and bigotry."It does, it's just that's not your view. By definition and in the context I explained.. not the words you're trying to put in my mouth. Ofcourse you can be partially homophobic, same way you can be partially racist. Think will you. So clearly won't defend someone if it's based on hatred and bigotry. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. Exactly Frisky and pretty much what I said further upthread
Based on sexuality alone doesn't mean homophobia (dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.) either - it can do, but doesn't automatically have to, either partially or otherwise (not that I am sure you can be partially homophobic, you either are or you aren't) - it means you have a preference plain and simple and I'll defend anyone's right to have a preference not to meet me so long as it's not based in hatred and bigotry.
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. That's a tad hypocritical if it's coming from a swinger." Not at all, intelligent people take into account the risk factor of ANY group of people or individual before deciding whether or not to have sex with them. You are applying an subjective, emotional argument to a rational, logical decision. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. Exactly Frisky and pretty much what I said further upthread
Based on sexuality alone doesn't mean homophobia (dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.) either - it can do, but doesn't automatically have to, either partially or otherwise (not that I am sure you can be partially homophobic, you either are or you aren't) - it means you have a preference plain and simple and I'll defend anyone's right to have a preference not to meet me so long as it's not based in hatred and bigotry.
It does, it's just that's not your view. By definition and in the context I explained.. not the words you're trying to put in my mouth.
Ofcourse you can be partially homophobic, same way you can be partially racist. Think will you.
So clearly won't defend someone if it's based on hatred and bigotry. "If it's not my view, by your own admission, how does that make your view correct? Your are of course entitled to *think* someone is being homophobic because they won't meet bisexual men - but in my opinion, you'd be very wide of the mark 95% of the time for the reasons I have expanded on further up thread. I'd also be interested to know what words I've apparently put in your mouth? You're the one that has clearly stated that not wanting to meet someone because of their sexuality makes someone homophobic - all I've done is provide the definition of homophobia and provided reasons why someone preferring not to meet bisexual men cannot, by default (as you suggest) possibly fit that definition. I stand by my assertion and will continue to do so, that if someone chooses not to meet me because of my sexuality then I am absolutely fine with them having that preference so long as that preference is not grounded in hatred or bigotry and THAT is the crux of the matter really. | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. That's a tad hypocritical if it's coming from a swinger. Not at all, intelligent people take into account the risk factor of ANY group of people or individual before deciding whether or not to have sex with them. You are applying an subjective, emotional argument to a rational, logical decision. " I'm not. Look up the definitions yourself. I'm applying logic and rationality. The fact my personal tale has emotion in it, doesn't detract from anything I've said. Being a swinger, makes that argument void as NHS put us in this group because there is a chance we may be more promiscuous than your average person. It's the same reason Swingers are also high risk. Use your head. You've as much chance as I have of being riddled with diseases. I bet you fucked more people than I did last year though, my grand total was 5,l, most of which were married women. The fact we'd both like to think of ourselves as intellugent people means we're more likley to use protection and vet our potential parters quite carefully. | |||
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"What a very impassioned message from the OP I am bisexual and have been for at least the last 30 years, my first wife and I both Bi and would regularly meet other Bi couples and odd singletons for sex - my 2nd wife does not know I am bi, yet she regularly fucks me with a range of strap on's and to to my delight I have no qualms about being Bisexual and clearly enjoy the life style it brings Essentially we are greedy people really lol j xxx "You maybe, I'm not greedy | |||
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"Let's fuck or you're racist! You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort. If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason. Not experience, not any other reason.. because the scenario given is "Based on sexuality alone" No other reason.. So an element of homophobia have to be at play. It's not rocket science Proffessor. The difference between the two being you can't hide your skin tone to the point it wouldn't be an issue. Bisexuals can. Defend it as preference all you like.. IF you can make a valid defence e.g. A woman whose marriage was destroyed by her cheating bi husband may have historical reasons that still cause her trauma now.. May not want reminding of her past. That's a fair reason, an exception to the rule if you like, there will be a few more. I never said if you don't meet bi men you're homophobic. I said IF their bisexuality is the only reason, based on things like high risk STI, or because they have had sex with men. Then you are partially homophobic. Nonsense, you can simply be accepting the latest UK government statistics on risk assessment. That's a tad hypocritical if it's coming from a swinger. Not at all, intelligent people take into account the risk factor of ANY group of people or individual before deciding whether or not to have sex with them. You are applying an subjective, emotional argument to a rational, logical decision. I'm not. Look up the definitions yourself. I'm applying logic and rationality. The fact my personal tale has emotion in it, doesn't detract from anything I've said. Being a swinger, makes that argument void as NHS put us in this group because there is a chance we may be more promiscuous than your average person. It's the same reason Swingers are also high risk. Use your head. You've as much chance as I have of being riddled with diseases. I bet you fucked more people than I did last year though, my grand total was 5,l, most of which were married women. The fact we'd both like to think of ourselves as intellugent people means we're more likley to use protection and vet our potential parters quite carefully." You are simply incorrect on all counts, I suggest you do some research into the facts. | |||
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"You're twisting what I've said. I said nothing of the sort." Right and now you're about to say exactly that in 5...4...3...2...1... "If someone doesn't want you, based on your skin colour alone, when all else was perfect. That they wanted you until they found out you were black. If that's the only reason, then racism has to be their reason" See! Nonsense! They could not have "wanted ME" if part of ME is being black and they don't want to fuck black guys. You can't say someone is ageist if they liked everything else but then discovered your age and didn't want to fuck you based on that...same with physical features including skin tone and same with cultural associations. You're confusing racism with sexual preferences. Here's an example of legitimate racism... Someone saying that no one else should fuck black people or getting pissed off or angry at interracial fucking not involving themselves. THAT'S racism! Teaching your kids that they shouldn't fuck another race or that the other race is somehow inferior or some other crap like that. You seem not to understand what true racism is. You're watering it down to these trivial interpersonal exchanges. That's NOT racism! It's prejudiced, yes, but not racism! Prejudice is necessary. We like what we like. Some people will turn you down because you have a big cock. You cutoff say they are cockist and being prejudiced for not wanting to try a big cock, and they are indeed making prior judgement but it's a judgement made for their sexual preference. Is a lesbian now a misandrist for not fucking men? What if she "liked everything about the person she was talking to then discovered it's a man"? That's silly. Racism is a systematic hegemony of economic, political, cultural and educational institutions. If one were promoting the idea that you shouldn't fuck black people for 'blank' reasons then that's racism in the cultural sphere. Like saying they all have disease or some silly shit like that. But a person who, for their own reasons sticks to a particular type whether it is their clan, nationality, race, ethnicity, spiritual persuasion, age bracket, or gender and sexuality of their choice is simply exercising personal, subjective PREFERENCE! | |||
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