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By *aughtySx OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this? |
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I feel the point is moot. Disclosing HIV status, undetectable or otherwise, changes nothing. It’s up to you to protect yourself in whatever way you see fit, the onus is on you not them.
There’s no difference between sleeping with someone with HIV vs some random who doesn’t know their status or assumes they are negative, it’s your responsibility to take measures. |
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I don’t think you can rely on anyone else’s disclosure as a method of safer sex.
Some people feel able to be open, some don’t, some might actively lie. Someone might have an STI and not know it themselves.
You need to act as if everyone you have sex with might have an STI and make your own decisions accordingly, taking the risks you can live with. |
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over a year ago
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"I feel the point is moot. Disclosing HIV status, undetectable or otherwise, changes nothing. It’s up to you to protect yourself in whatever way you see fit, the onus is on you not them.
There’s no difference between sleeping with someone with HIV vs some random who doesn’t know their status or assumes they are negative, it’s your responsibility to take measures. "
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
Not an issue if you have protected sex.
I had a friend who was hiv and his count was undetectable. He was always open about it and was infected through a blood transfusion. He passed away 2 years ago. We were more cuddle buddies than anything else.
It’s up to an individual to disclose their status. I do believe they should be honest about it then you can make your own decision to play with them or not. |
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"I feel the point is moot. Disclosing HIV status, undetectable or otherwise, changes nothing. It’s up to you to protect yourself in whatever way you see fit, the onus is on you not them.
There’s no difference between sleeping with someone with HIV vs some random who doesn’t know their status or assumes they are negative, it’s your responsibility to take measures.
Totally agree with this "
It's impossible to agree. It's just a truism that sleeping with someone who definately has HIV is different to someone who might  |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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I take responsibility for my own sexual health and therefore I presume that everybody else may not be aware of their own.
There is of course no way of knowing whether someone has any kind of sexual disease, and even if they were recently tested it only shows that they were safe on the day of the test.
I always carry condoms and give them out to friends whenever needed. |
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this? "
No we haven’t , but I guess we are unlikely to as if they aren’t telling anyone , how would we know ?
I thought people with hiv had to tell prospective sexual partners they were hiv pos first ? |
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I can understand that many people wouldn't be comfortable sharing an HIV status with people that they do not know, as it's a very intimate and highly personal piece of information. Fab doesn't include a field for users to enter their HIV status, so there's no way to discover this apart from good communication - in any event, it's up to each of us to test and to take responsibility for our own sexual health, as it's reasonable to expect that others won't always know of their own status, nor wish to disclose it to unknown people.
I had a close work friend who I'd known for years before he shared his HIV positive status with me - I'd no right to have this information and he found it difficult to share with others. He's the closest friend that I've known with this awful virus and I learned from him how difficult it can be.
People who are on medication can have very little risk for others - thank goodness for our NHS! |
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If we are talking open disclosure, I'd rather know if anyone has an hepatitis.
Far harder to deal with than HIV and my gay, GU specialist nurse mate agrees with me.
We really need to drop the 'safe sex' label though and call it 'safer sex'. |
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this? "
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless? "
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on. |
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless?
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on."
Ok, I must admit the advice seems to have changed recently (I looked into this in detail a few years ago for reasons I won’t go into and the advice back then was that undetectable didn’t equal untransmittable). It appears there has been further research done since.
Nevertheless, it’s possible for someone to become detectable again if meds aren’t taken as directed etc. Or their virus has become resistant to their meds. Unless they’ve literally had a test immediately before having intercourse how would they know?
Overall if someone has HIV surely they should still be telling the person they are sleeping with so that they can make an informed decision.
The best way to guard against it (and other STIs of course) is clearly to use appropriate protection. Especially when sleeping with multiple partners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless?
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on.
Ok, I must admit the advice seems to have changed recently (I looked into this in detail a few years ago for reasons I won’t go into and the advice back then was that undetectable didn’t equal untransmittable). It appears there has been further research done since.
Nevertheless, it’s possible for someone to become detectable again if meds aren’t taken as directed etc. Or their virus has become resistant to their meds. Unless they’ve literally had a test immediately before having intercourse how would they know?
Overall if someone has HIV surely they should still be telling the person they are sleeping with so that they can make an informed decision.
The best way to guard against it (and other STIs of course) is clearly to use appropriate protection. Especially when sleeping with multiple partners. "
Glad to hear you are now more aware that U=U (Undetectable =Untransmittable)
People adherent to medication are not infectious whatsoever. Resistance to medication is caused by non-adherence, giving the virus chance to mutate.
There is no legal requirement in England to disclose an HIV+ status as long as a) a condom is used, b) the person is undetectable. The people spreading HIV are either those not on medication or more importantly those who don't know they have it. |
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless?
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on.
Ok, I must admit the advice seems to have changed recently (I looked into this in detail a few years ago for reasons I won’t go into and the advice back then was that undetectable didn’t equal untransmittable). It appears there has been further research done since.
Nevertheless, it’s possible for someone to become detectable again if meds aren’t taken as directed etc. Or their virus has become resistant to their meds. Unless they’ve literally had a test immediately before having intercourse how would they know?
Overall if someone has HIV surely they should still be telling the person they are sleeping with so that they can make an informed decision.
The best way to guard against it (and other STIs of course) is clearly to use appropriate protection. Especially when sleeping with multiple partners.
Glad to hear you are now more aware that U=U (Undetectable =Untransmittable)
People adherent to medication are not infectious whatsoever. Resistance to medication is caused by non-adherence, giving the virus chance to mutate.
There is no legal requirement in England to disclose an HIV+ status as long as a) a condom is used, b) the person is undetectable. The people spreading HIV are either those not on medication or more importantly those who don't know they have it."
After reading this, you do seem very knowledgeable with great understanding of this subject, wouldn’t safer sex just be a logical option for all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless?
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on.
Ok, I must admit the advice seems to have changed recently (I looked into this in detail a few years ago for reasons I won’t go into and the advice back then was that undetectable didn’t equal untransmittable). It appears there has been further research done since.
Nevertheless, it’s possible for someone to become detectable again if meds aren’t taken as directed etc. Or their virus has become resistant to their meds. Unless they’ve literally had a test immediately before having intercourse how would they know?
Overall if someone has HIV surely they should still be telling the person they are sleeping with so that they can make an informed decision.
The best way to guard against it (and other STIs of course) is clearly to use appropriate protection. Especially when sleeping with multiple partners.
Glad to hear you are now more aware that U=U (Undetectable =Untransmittable)
People adherent to medication are not infectious whatsoever. Resistance to medication is caused by non-adherence, giving the virus chance to mutate.
There is no legal requirement in England to disclose an HIV+ status as long as a) a condom is used, b) the person is undetectable. The people spreading HIV are either those not on medication or more importantly those who don't know they have it.
After reading this, you do seem very knowledgeable with great understanding of this subject, wouldn’t safer sex just be a logical option for all"
Yes, I do have a great understanding of the subject, stigma is still rife mainly due to peoples misunderstanding of HIV with mindsets stuck in the 1980's I agree the logical option would be for all to practice safer sex, but human nature means people will have unprotected sex, the primary route of infection.... the virus is non discriminatory, it can affect anyone regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation |
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless?
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on.
Ok, I must admit the advice seems to have changed recently (I looked into this in detail a few years ago for reasons I won’t go into and the advice back then was that undetectable didn’t equal untransmittable). It appears there has been further research done since.
Nevertheless, it’s possible for someone to become detectable again if meds aren’t taken as directed etc. Or their virus has become resistant to their meds. Unless they’ve literally had a test immediately before having intercourse how would they know?
Overall if someone has HIV surely they should still be telling the person they are sleeping with so that they can make an informed decision.
The best way to guard against it (and other STIs of course) is clearly to use appropriate protection. Especially when sleeping with multiple partners.
Glad to hear you are now more aware that U=U (Undetectable =Untransmittable)
People adherent to medication are not infectious whatsoever. Resistance to medication is caused by non-adherence, giving the virus chance to mutate.
There is no legal requirement in England to disclose an HIV+ status as long as a) a condom is used, b) the person is undetectable. The people spreading HIV are either those not on medication or more importantly those who don't know they have it."
Yes apologies for going off slightly half cocked. Interestingly the THT still advices that a person checks that viral load is still undetectable before they switch from protected to unprotected sex.
I think there might be an issue that people are more reckless nowadays as HIV isn’t the killer it used to be - I’m sure I’ve read that new infections are increasing amongst heterosexual people now as they are less likely to be regularly tested etc. (the LGBT community is much more clued up). |
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I think there might be an issue that people are more reckless nowadays as HIV isn’t the killer it used to be - I’m sure I’ve read that new infections are increasing amongst heterosexual people now as they are less likely to be regularly tested etc. (the LGBT community is much more clued up). "
One thing I've learnt from fab is that if a woman is up for bareback, then regardless of how attractive she is, there are more than 500 men who'll fuck her bareback. It's not like HIV is the only concern. Apparently that many guys don't care about knob rot. |
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"I feel as though some members aren’t as open with being hiv positive as they used to be.
Being pos undetectable is still pos and I feel as though some people aren’t as honest these days
Has anybody come across this?
I did see a worrying post on here the other day where someone said that having unprotected sex with a HIV+ person who had an undetectable viral load was perfectly safe - it isn’t.
It’s everyones’ individual responsibility to protect themselves as they see fit but, nevertheless, I would *hope* anyone who is HIV+ would disclose that fact to anyone they intended to have sex with.
Perhaps as HIV is seen as more of a chronic condition like diabetes rather than a death sentence these days people are getting more careless?
Actually you are wrong.... an HIV + person who is undetectable on meds cannot pass the virus on.
Ok, I must admit the advice seems to have changed recently (I looked into this in detail a few years ago for reasons I won’t go into and the advice back then was that undetectable didn’t equal untransmittable). It appears there has been further research done since.
Nevertheless, it’s possible for someone to become detectable again if meds aren’t taken as directed etc. Or their virus has become resistant to their meds. Unless they’ve literally had a test immediately before having intercourse how would they know?
Overall if someone has HIV surely they should still be telling the person they are sleeping with so that they can make an informed decision.
The best way to guard against it (and other STIs of course) is clearly to use appropriate protection. Especially when sleeping with multiple partners.
Glad to hear you are now more aware that U=U (Undetectable =Untransmittable)
People adherent to medication are not infectious whatsoever. Resistance to medication is caused by non-adherence, giving the virus chance to mutate.
There is no legal requirement in England to disclose an HIV+ status as long as a) a condom is used, b) the person is undetectable. The people spreading HIV are either those not on medication or more importantly those who don't know they have it.
After reading this, you do seem very knowledgeable with great understanding of this subject, wouldn’t safer sex just be a logical option for all"
Safer sex is all that anyone can have, through their choice of partners, specific sexual behavioural practices and sexual health testing and treatment adherence. Stigmatising certain types of people that some do is inappropriate - it is better to stigmatize just ourselves, the only person that we have 100% responsibility and control for - then pursue our own personal choices. There is nothing that's risk free in life but thankfully most of us in this community are more aware and undergoing sexual health testing regimes that are better than the national average Imo. |
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I think there might be an issue that people are more reckless nowadays as HIV isn’t the killer it used to be - I’m sure I’ve read that new infections are increasing amongst heterosexual people now as they are less likely to be regularly tested etc. (the LGBT community is much more clued up).
One thing I've learnt from fab is that if a woman is up for bareback, then regardless of how attractive she is, there are more than 500 men who'll fuck her bareback. It's not like HIV is the only concern. Apparently that many guys don't care about knob rot. "
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