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"If you have bare back with two women why not all women if these women are willing to have bare back sex with you they are going to be willing to do it with others so your just as likely to catch something off them as you are me if we met tomorrow Saying that i have nothing against people who do bare back its each to their own but i just dont get why some will do it with regular play mates and feel they safe " +1 We're all adults here. | |||
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"Really its only for a commited relationship I think? See what your saying though, but do you know they dont have it with others? Cos if so you may have well have shagged all their previous partners!" and do these two women you have unprotected sex with know about each other? | |||
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"Really its only for a commited relationship I think? See what your saying though, but do you know they dont have it with others? Cos if so you may have well have shagged all their previous partners! and do these two women you have unprotected sex with know about each other? " Good point! x | |||
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".....surely up to the individuals involved who are all adults and know the risks. If they choose to ignore that then thats upto them? " Yeh if there then willing to admit it to others who they may come into contact with, otherwise there choice isnt made with full knowledge! | |||
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".....surely up to the individuals involved who are all adults and know the risks. If they choose to ignore that then thats upto them? Yeh if there then willing to admit it to others who they may come into contact with, otherwise there choice isnt made with full knowledge!" Exaxtly...i have unprotected sex with those i am fluid bonded with...i know and trust them,and they me...(forumites might guess who the 2 people are )They care bout me enough,and i care bout them enough to cover up with anyone else. Regular sex isnt any protection,unless you know totally that the people you fuck are not having BB sex with all and sundry, you are at risk. And even with a strict safe sex rule i am tested every 3 months...i would be devastated if i passed anything on to the people i care about. | |||
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"There is another thread dealing with safe sex tick boxes and how some people say they do safe sex but don't in principle. Thats the thing with having sex you never know if the person you're with has told the truth or not so isn't the best protection to not to have sex full stop?" No,the best protection is to use condoms...how hard is that message to get through | |||
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"To be honest i dont care whos shagging who and what they use what does make me laugh are people like the OP who openly admits to having unprotected sex with 2 women who are just regular fuck buddies then rolls his eyes when asking if women have unprotected sex with meets whos he to roll his eyes and judge peoples whos only doing same as him unprotected sex is just that, be it a regular meet or a new one Thats just my opinion tho If you want to fuck bare back go ahead and do it if it feels right for you but dont then look down your nose at others for doing the same" +1 | |||
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".....surely up to the individuals involved who are all adults and know the risks. If they choose to ignore that then thats upto them? Yeh if there then willing to admit it to others who they may come into contact with, otherwise there choice isnt made with full knowledge! Exaxtly...i have unprotected sex with those i am fluid bonded with...i know and trust them,and they me...(forumites might guess who the 2 people are )They care bout me enough,and i care bout them enough to cover up with anyone else. Regular sex isnt any protection,unless you know totally that the people you fuck are not having BB sex with all and sundry, you are at risk. And even with a strict safe sex rule i am tested every 3 months...i would be devastated if i passed anything on to the people i care about." what does being fluid bonded with someone mean? seen you mention it a couple of times and wanted to ask x | |||
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".....surely up to the individuals involved who are all adults and know the risks. If they choose to ignore that then thats upto them? " It's a case of us being adult enough to accept what risks are acceptable to us all as individuals... I think as long as You do what your happy with it doesn't matter. I have a few people that I know won't meet for play because we admit that at times we go without.. its just so much better... But we are selective... As I've said due to a blood condition I have I'm checked every month.. and get them to do the full works..... And define stranger... As I've always talked first Cali x | |||
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"yawn!! been done to death " Check out the rest of the threads that might not bore you | |||
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"Bareback should be regarded as a criminal act amongst swingers" Ooh?!! And what about non-swingers, you know, the type that get rat arsed on a Friday night and go for a knee trembler with whoever is passing?!! Or what about the cheating spouse who meets others whilst out dogging etc and goes home to their unsuspecting partners. Blimey, the country can't police people driving without a license/insurance or have the right to be in the UK, but you think they should criminalise consenting adults who are probably on first name terms with the staff at their local GUM. | |||
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"The two women I have unprotected sex with are a lesbian couple that I helped father a child for and they want another. " How can they be lesbians if they are your regular playmates? Or are you going to now say it is only when they want seeding | |||
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"To all the barebackers... Prepare to meet the "pox doctors clerk"...and then the Aids specialist. No further comment necessary" Well before I was swinging I was not the most well behaved of young ladies.. loved sex always have... and I was never safe.. so talking 11 years of none safe sex with random people.. Stupid.. hell yeah.. but never so much as caught thrush.. Was I lucky.. Most likely.. However, I most likely taste 20 or so guys cum in a month as I would really rather go celibate than do oral with a condom... and yes.. on occassion we have BB with people.. I have had 21 years now of totally STD free sex... and yes its a risk... but as long as you get regular check ups and are sensible about it.. then its hardly criminal.. And you would be surprised how many people that rave about safe sex.. the minute you offer, they suddenly could make an exception.. At least we are honest about it. Cali x | |||
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"I find threads like this pointless. The majority will not on an open forum state they have bareback sex. You read their profiles and they have "SAFE SEX ONLY" for all to see...you scroll down to their pics and there banging away at different holes without a johnny in sight! I also don't get the need to ask other adults what they do sexually. Not everyone feels the need to share, and some of us don't wish to know! Enjoy what you do, don't justify it to anyone else - your body, your choice, but double standards make you look a bit of a prat...in more ways than one! " Hahahahahahaha! | |||
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"call me ignorant, but what about HIV? You don't die from Chlamydia or genital warts but have people forgotten about HIV? " nope.. not forgotten.. am tested monthly for that and the other nasties.. Its a lifestyle choice... my point is that people can take the moral high ground on it.. but..I know a lot of people that would say how shocking it is that swingers would do BB... but I know for a fact they go bare at times.. Why.. because some people on threads such as these that rant have asked me personally.. and I cant name and shame for obvious reasons.. but it amuses me all the same. Life is one big risk... and as long as your honest, then your not hurting anyone as then everyone can make their own risk assessment... Sometimes Master and I like to have me filled before he fucks me... and for that we need to go bare.. Yes we are selective.. but certainly are not doing it fluid bonded as some others are.. Is it a risk.. Yes... is it our risk.. entirely.. do we know the consequences... YES. And are we upfront and honest about it.. YES... Those are to us the important things. CAli x | |||
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"Bareback....is a risk just not worth taking in my book. " +1 | |||
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"The two women I have unprotected sex with are a lesbian couple that I helped father a child for and they want another. How can they be lesbians if they are your regular playmates? Or are you going to now say it is only when they want seeding " Oh Ruggers...let the man backtrack if he wants...come on now, stop spoiling my fun! | |||
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"yeah life is 1 big risk,,, but you wouldnt stand in the middle of a moterway hopeing a bus didnt knock you down now would you?" No but there are plenty of other things we do where we know something could go wrong yet still do it like getting in your car every morning.... | |||
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"yeah life is 1 big risk,,, but you wouldnt stand in the middle of a moterway hopeing a bus didnt knock you down now would you? seriously i cannot understand why someone would openly put themselves at risk yeah ok you get tested every month but why??? why do you get tested every month and what happens if god forbid 1 month when you go,,,its bad news and i hope to god you never ever get it but well youv only yourself to blame if it is? harsh yes the truth yes auds " because we like it like that and its our choice.. I am sure your non swinging friends could ask you.. WHy do you swing... its all levels of risk and levels of what you enjoy. To be honest.. if I am not getting filled I would rather actually just do oral.. ( and actually way over half of my veris are just oral because of that) I dont have sex for the hours of passion.. I do it because I love the cum and cum play.. we all do it for different things. And actually I am checked monthly because I may as well be seeing as I have to have someone checking me anyway.. If we caught something then we get it treated.. if it was heaven forbid something worse then we deal with it.. WE know the risks.. its our risk. but unlike many, we dont hide it... We take responsibility for our own actions... and enjoy life.. Cali | |||
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"yawn!! been done to death " what a rude remark. i have been on this site for nearly 3 years and still read these type of threads. you have to also realise that every day we have new swingers joining who have NOT read these type of posts. | |||
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"wonders what would happen if we all decided to bareback.... barebackers are relying on safe sex practicers to keep the proquo. Anyone been to Africa and other such places? " we are not relying on anyone. its just a person choice.. We go safe I would say about 95% of the time.. but sometimes we just want to play differently. We just choose to take responsibility for our own safety.. so how is that relying on others.. condoms only make it safer.. accidents happen.. and there are plenty of contact areas that condoms dont cover.. and we all know that while lesser risk. oral is still a risk..and most on here point out they wont bother to suck a cock with a condom on.. So I dont think any of us that choose on occassion to go BB are relyiing on the others to keep stds at bay.. we just are careful ourselves by having regular checks.. cali | |||
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"yeah life is 1 big risk,,, but you wouldnt stand in the middle of a moterway hopeing a bus didnt knock you down now would you? No but there are plenty of other things we do where we know something could go wrong yet still do it like getting in your car every morning...." true,,,but in te car least your protected tho ehe? | |||
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"true,,,but in te car least your protected tho ehe?" to a degree... but its not foolproof.. its like me.. I like bikes... I wear all the gear.. but could still have a nasty accident so easily.. the risks to me come when people are thinking they are safe and assume that because they use condoms that they dont have to be checked that often.. Cali x | |||
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"wonders what would happen if we all decided to bareback.... barebackers are relying on safe sex practicers to keep the proquo. Anyone been to Africa and other such places? we are not relying on anyone. its just a person choice.. We go safe I would say about 95% of the time.. but sometimes we just want to play differently. We just choose to take responsibility for our own safety.. so how is that relying on others.. condoms only make it safer.. accidents happen.. and there are plenty of contact areas that condoms dont cover.. and we all know that while lesser risk. oral is still a risk..and most on here point out they wont bother to suck a cock with a condom on.. So I dont think any of us that choose on occassion to go BB are relyiing on the others to keep stds at bay.. we just are careful ourselves by having regular checks.. cali " I dont think that this is for a minute the thought process barebackers go through... swinger and non swinger but taking a broad _iew I feel it is truthful to say that if none of us did, things would spread much more quickly and people who would have previously not bothered about condoms would probably feel they were a good idea to protect themselves, not foolproof but better than nothing certainly. People will always do what they want. We trust no one and assume they are all barebackers. We dont knowingly play with barebackers though, or even those that play with people who we happen to know are. In other words, our comfort zone is taking every precaution we can and still makes meeting select people worth while. I have never held with the idea that just because you take chances (unless you are a nun you probably do one way or another sexwise) you may as well go the whole hog and jump off the cliff risk wise. We will continue to minimise our risks as is our right. Not looking to hang draw and quarter those who differ from us... just stating that its probably a good job we dont all play bareback, for all our sakes. | |||
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" I dont think that this is for a minute the thought process barebackers go through... " as people that do choose to I can tell you this is exactly our thought process on this.. and because we are open about it we get lots of PMS from people that dare not openly admit it.. and to be fair.. most of what we get mirrors our own _iews. We dont think there is anythign wrong with those that want to only do BB, or the other end those that use dental dams and condoms for everything.. or even gloves for fingering etc... and everything in between... Its all down to what you as a couple or an individual are happy with... for us, its to sometimes go bare.. and be happy with our choice on that... and then take precautions from there.. After all.. if we didnt think about it. trust me, a nice 20guy creampie gangbang would be just up our street.. but even we think that may push our risk factors a little. In swinging its all about personal factors.. be in bi, body preference, safe, bb, soft swing, full swing, to kiss or not to kiss... you get the picture... but the one thing that I think is wrong, is that people will say that someone elses choice is wrong... Its only wrong to you... One persons no no, its anothers oh yes. Cali x | |||
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"Spot on there Cali. Swinging is about having fun and though we all have our personal preferences you shouldn't try judging someone else just because they do something that you wouldn't. Just thank the heavens that there are people are are honest enough to say whether they are married/do bareback/are bi (delete as applicable) seeing so many people won't admit it. If it is not your thing at least you know the people to give a wide berth to but don't judge them as sure you wouldn't want to be judged???" | |||
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"No glove, no love it about being safe and respecting yourself. " I have total respect for myself.. its just about different choices.. cali | |||
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"The two women I have unprotected sex with are a lesbian couple that I helped father a child for and they want another. " . What about all those cougars you say you want to meet on your profile and offer the option of going to work with 'cum filled panties'? Are you intending to masturbate into their knickers or have unprotected intercourse with them? | |||
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"Yes and all the profiles with no condoms in the photos but they still think their clean and only do safe sex. Why don't people be honest!! I'm doing bareback with two good friends that are in a relationship and want another baby. They asked me to help again because they know i am clean and only practice safe sex. Rant over!!! " you not just doing it for the baby tho are you as your original post says they are regular sex partners, now you saying they are a lesbain couple just after a baby lesbian couples do not have regular uprotected sex to get a child, if your doing it regular your doing it for pleasure and they bi now what was u saying about being honest with people lol | |||
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".....surely up to the individuals involved who are all adults and know the risks. If they choose to ignore that then thats upto them? Yeh if there then willing to admit it to others who they may come into contact with, otherwise there choice isnt made with full knowledge! Exaxtly...i have unprotected sex with those i am fluid bonded with...i know and trust them,and they me...(forumites might guess who the 2 people are )They care bout me enough,and i care bout them enough to cover up with anyone else. Regular sex isnt any protection,unless you know totally that the people you fuck are not having BB sex with all and sundry, you are at risk. And even with a strict safe sex rule i am tested every 3 months...i would be devastated if i passed anything on to the people i care about. what does being fluid bonded with someone mean? seen you mention it a couple of times and wanted to ask x" an agreement between partners in a polyamorous relationship to practice unprotected sexual intercourse.....is the litteral meaning being it if you look it up Basically it means to have a relationship with more than one person so to say you only have unprotected sex with someone your fluid bonded with means you only do it with people your having a relationship with but that could be 2 people or 10 people theres no limit on how many people you hold a relationship with so no limit on how many people your shagging bare back | |||
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"What is even more incredible is the number of profile pics I've seen of bi guys who look like they practice bareback anal sex!! A real health version of Russian roulette " Please explain for all and sundry what you mean by that? | |||
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"What is even more incredible is the number of profile pics I've seen of bi guys who look like they practice bareback anal sex!! A real health version of Russian roulette Please explain for all and sundry what you mean by that?" i think hes still living with the understanding men have more chances of catching HIV etc from other guys than they are women its 2011 i dont think STIs etc are sexist anymore lol | |||
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"Bareback sex is ...." not for us | |||
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"it is great to see you can read but if you notice the real use of cum filled panties you would understand! Plus I don't need to cum inside a woman for her to have "cum filled panties" I was under the impression woman had orgasms too because they always seem to with me " . Yes, you use it as a means to ensure people have read your profile when writing to you. However the requirement that it's placed in the message title is prefaced by this sentence: "How horny for you to go to work with cum filled panties..........what a secret you would be keeping from your collegues." Whilst I'm sure you leave all your conquests thoroughly satisfied it does appear to me at least that you're not particularly judicious in your language, especially as you give the impression that you engage in practices that you seek to denounce others for. | |||
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"it is great to see you can read but if you notice the real use of cum filled panties you would understand! Plus I don't need to cum inside a woman for her to have "cum filled panties" I was under the impression woman had orgasms too because they always seem to with me " nah its a myth mate women are just good at faking lol | |||
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"haha explain the womans red chest and cum filled panties when i've been wearing a condom? Sure some women fake orgasm but as a man if you know what to look for then they can't fake it " . There's no mention of condom wearing or safe sex on your profile, however there is of 'cum filled panties' and orgies. I'd love to know 'as a man' what you 'look for' to ensure a female has had an orgasm, because I can guarantee any women here would be able to fake it with you being non the wiser, despite your self proclaimed prowess | |||
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"it is about knowing a womans body!!! maybe your never relaxed enough to enjoy a real orgasm that you feel the need to fake them. When I was a male escort I had a money back policy if the lady never made climax and no one ever asked for a refund. Some of these women told me the signs to look out for on a womans body and for once or twice I actually listened to the woman " . For crying out loud, no-ones claiming you've never brought a women to orgasm, but if any woman wanted to fake it, including those ex clients of yours, they'd very easily be able to do so without you (or any other man) knowing any different! | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali " There's been a few times that skill has come in handy. | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali There's been a few times that skill has come in handy. " yes and it normally hurries the man along... cali | |||
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"it is about knowing a womans body!!! maybe your never relaxed enough to enjoy a real orgasm that you feel the need to fake them. When I was a male escort I had a money back policy if the lady never made climax and no one ever asked for a refund. Some of these women told me the signs to look out for on a womans body and for once or twice I actually listened to the woman " haha are you still doing escort work cause i fancy a free shag lol | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali There's been a few times that skill has come in handy. yes and it normally hurries the man along... cali " . | |||
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"it is about knowing a womans body!!! maybe your never relaxed enough to enjoy a real orgasm that you feel the need to fake them. When I was a male escort I had a money back policy if the lady never made climax and no one ever asked for a refund. Some of these women told me the signs to look out for on a womans body and for once or twice I actually listened to the woman haha are you still doing escort work cause i fancy a free shag lol " Lol If its a free one and he is working then its not going to be a good one if you don't cum. | |||
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" haha are you still doing escort work cause i fancy a free shag lol " My laptop is now wearing my drink.. lol Cali x | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali There's been a few times that skill has come in handy. yes and it normally hurries the man along... cali " ive done that so many times soon as i start getting bored i just get louder lol ive had enough orgasums to know how to imitate one If they a good shag obviously i dont as im happy to go for hours with someone whos sexually compatable but sometimes you just dont click sexually and then you have to hurry things along altho, i have to be honest, i have been known to just tell them to stop as they not doing it for me but i just think fakings politer | |||
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"it is about knowing a womans body!!! maybe your never relaxed enough to enjoy a real orgasm that you feel the need to fake them. When I was a male escort I had a money back policy if the lady never made climax and no one ever asked for a refund. Some of these women told me the signs to look out for on a womans body and for once or twice I actually listened to the woman haha are you still doing escort work cause i fancy a free shag lol Lol If its a free one and he is working then its not going to be a good one if you don't cum. " thats ok i have toys to finish myself off after, im all for a freebie me lol | |||
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"it is about knowing a womans body!!! maybe your never relaxed enough to enjoy a real orgasm that you feel the need to fake them. When I was a male escort I had a money back policy if the lady never made climax and no one ever asked for a refund. Some of these women told me the signs to look out for on a womans body and for once or twice I actually listened to the woman haha are you still doing escort work cause i fancy a free shag lol Lol If its a free one and he is working then its not going to be a good one if you don't cum. thats ok i have toys to finish myself off after, im all for a freebie me lol" Lol you wouldn't need them he's an expert or so he claims! A pussy whisper that listens. | |||
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" ive done that so many times soon as i start getting bored i just get louder lol ive had enough orgasums to know how to imitate one If they a good shag obviously i dont as im happy to go for hours with someone whos sexually compatable but sometimes you just dont click sexually and then you have to hurry things along altho, i have to be honest, i have been known to just tell them to stop as they not doing it for me but i just think fakings politer " I have got up and just said this is going no where... but most often I just fake it.. Master prefers it when I dont have to.. and normally helps by talking me to one.. Cali x | |||
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"point taken. And no I no longer escort anymore just meet for fun. Some of the women wanting to take me to dinner and show me off became embarrassing and you could clearly see why they had to pay " can you? im loving this thread by the way | |||
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"Okay, now I'm beginning to piss myself laughing. Makes me wanna award a nobel prize to the next person to declare they "don't do bareback unlike some people" without being asked ...At least I don't shag other men's wives without their permission - what do you all think?" Pmsl that would make a great thread | |||
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"point taken. And no I no longer escort anymore just meet for fun. Some of the women wanting to take me to dinner and show me off became embarrassing and you could clearly see why they had to pay " . Judging by your contributions you don't need a woman to employ you in order to 'show off' | |||
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"I am still amazed at the number of men on here who do self head sex. At least it makes it easy to make decisions on who to meet and who not to. " What's self head sex? | |||
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"I am still amazed at the number of men on here who do self head sex. At least it makes it easy to make decisions on who to meet and who not to. What's self head sex?" Its when a guy has his head up his own......well I am sure you can guess! | |||
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"rude ? seriously type bareback into the forums search loads and loads and loads hardly rude more pointing out the obvious ." yes rude....you could have pointed that out without the need for the RUDE yawn remark....now that is rude and quite arrogant | |||
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"i just found this on web site it explains better than me lol Fluid bonding is the practice of sexual partners who explicitly choose to expose themselves to each other's bodily fluids. It is a risky behavior that could lead to illness or death. Modern medical tests have still not advanced to the point where any kind of sex can be considered "safe", because false negatives happen and there are many diseases for which there are no tests. The usual motivating factor is greater enjoyment of sex without barriers, latex or otherwise, within a stable monogamous relationship such as marriage. Since fluid exposure is a conduit for STDs, by taking part in fluid bonding, participants are effectively trusting their sexual partners with their mutual health. " Thanks,i had missed Eveshams question...this sums it up for me,protection is not just necesscary for my health but for kevs too,and ayone else i may consider myself fluid bonded too Without deep levels of trust i would not trust someone no matter how clean they claimed thet were ,enough to go bb | |||
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"I bet the OP gets offers of meets from ladies who intend faking ab orgasm to see if he can tell! Good ploy lol " | |||
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"point taken. And no I no longer escort anymore just meet for fun. Some of the women wanting to take me to dinner and show me off became embarrassing and you could clearly see why they had to pay can you? im loving this thread by the way " | |||
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"Bareback sex is good but in this community you have to be careful. I only participate in bareback sex with two of my regular partners and all others are always with protection. How many women on here still have bareback sex with strangers? " Never.its just a risk that is not even worth takin for me......... | |||
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" protection is not just necesscary for my health but for kevs too,and ayone else i may consider myself fluid bonded too " I dont really understand this because in effect you are putting yourself and Kev at a higher risk by having bareback sex with another. | |||
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" protection is not just necesscary for my health but for kevs too,and ayone else i may consider myself fluid bonded too I dont really understand this because in effect you are putting yourself and Kev at a higher risk by having bareback sex with another. " | |||
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" protection is not just necesscary for my health but for kevs too,and ayone else i may consider myself fluid bonded too I dont really understand this because in effect you are putting yourself and Kev at a higher risk by having bareback sex with another. " to be honest i dont really under stand these types of relationships either to be fluid bonded means to people you have bonded/swapped body fluids with Tho i understand that that does not mean you have unprotected sex with just anyone and it is with people you consider yourself to be in a relationship with and thats agreed by everyone involved, the guys you are fluid bonded will more than likely have other women they are fluid bonded with who in return with have guys they are fluid bonded with, this chain could go on for ever and it only takes one to betray that trust and catch something and the whole chains infected you cant trust anyone 100%, how many men are on here shagging behind their wifes back who probably have a normal loving marrage when together If people can betray their own partners people can betray anyone | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali There's been a few times that skill has come in handy. yes and it normally hurries the man along... cali ive done that so many times soon as i start getting bored i just get louder lol ive had enough orgasums to know how to imitate one If they a good shag obviously i dont as im happy to go for hours with someone whos sexually compatable but sometimes you just dont click sexually and then you have to hurry things along altho, i have to be honest, i have been known to just tell them to stop as they not doing it for me but i just think fakings politer " I don't think there's a sexually active woman who hasn't done this. Some men think banging away is all that's needed when in all honesty they're not very good. A few oooh aaah, oh my God, yes yes, quick moves and a shudder and they feel well chuffed and cum. It would be unkind to burst their bubble. After they've gone there's always the magic wand. | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali " Master posting Cali, are you saying that my ten seconds of effort during sex are fruitless ? Masterq81 | |||
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"I can fake it and a man really never notice.. cali Master posting Cali, are you saying that my ten seconds of effort during sex are fruitless ? Masterq81" I would never say that Master.. and I always appreciate everything you give me. cali | |||
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" I dont think that this is for a minute the thought process barebackers go through... as people that do choose to I can tell you this is exactly our thought process on this.. and because we are open about it we get lots of PMS from people that dare not openly admit it.. and to be fair.. most of what we get mirrors our own _iews. We dont think there is anythign wrong with those that want to only do BB, or the other end those that use dental dams and condoms for everything.. or even gloves for fingering etc... and everything in between... Its all down to what you as a couple or an individual are happy with... for us, its to sometimes go bare.. and be happy with our choice on that... and then take precautions from there.. After all.. if we didnt think about it. trust me, a nice 20guy creampie gangbang would be just up our street.. but even we think that may push our risk factors a little. In swinging its all about personal factors.. be in bi, body preference, safe, bb, soft swing, full swing, to kiss or not to kiss... you get the picture... but the one thing that I think is wrong, is that people will say that someone elses choice is wrong... Its only wrong to you... One persons no no, its anothers oh yes. Cali x" I respect your _iews and your honesty Cali. I agree, we all have our levels of risk we are willing to take which of course differ. When I say that it is a good job that we dont all bareback I just mean that if you look at places in the world who definately have a lack of condoms in use you see such a huge increase in stds of the worse kind. I really wouldnt want that and cant think that anyone would. Its not a judgement, just an observation. As a footnote, Im pretty sure more swingers think about it than those out on the town looking for a quickie. As I live in a glasshouse Im throwing no stones. | |||
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"Deep levels of trust? We live in a world where your best friend will fuck your partner and our own kids steal from us. Stay safe and have fun peeps " I'm glad I dont live in that small corner of the world, those I call friends I trust implicitly, and I would leave money lying around knowing my kids wouldnt touch it, cos they know if they want it they just have to ask. | |||
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" the risks to me come when people are thinking they are safe and assume that because they use condoms that they dont have to be checked that often.. Cali x" +1 | |||
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"Deep levels of trust? We live in a world where your best friend will fuck your partner and our own kids steal from us. Stay safe and have fun peeps I'm glad I dont live in that small corner of the world, those I call friends I trust implicitly, and I would leave money lying around knowing my kids wouldnt touch it, cos they know if they want it they just have to ask." My mate had a Bed & Breakfast in Devon and he went out to work while his wife looked after the B&B. His best mate for many years used to help out where he could as he was only working part time and my mate trusted him implicitly. All four got on really well. Until my mate found out that his wife and his best friend had been shagging for five years. He was devastated as in one stroke, he had lost his wife and best mate! As for your kids never taking? If they only have to ask then it is no surprise! Like you, I trust our kids too, but not everyone is as lucky as us and is able to provide what they want when they want it. I am sure that almost any kids would pick up the odd pound coin laying on the side if they were going out and wanted to be like their mates but you were not there to "provide" at the time. That "corner of the world" is everywhere and whether we like it or not, it aint going away anytime soon... | |||
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"I find threads like this pointless. The majority will not on an open forum state they have bareback sex. You read their profiles and they have "SAFE SEX ONLY" for all to see...you scroll down to their pics and there banging away at different holes without a johnny in sight! I also don't get the need to ask other adults what they do sexually. Not everyone feels the need to share, and some of us don't wish to know! Enjoy what you do, don't justify it to anyone else - your body, your choice, but double standards make you look a bit of a prat...in more ways than one! " Spot on | |||
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"Bareback! is a NO NO NO !!!!!! Not safe not worth the risk. These days far too many people catching STI'S from unprotected sex. People with the swinging lifestyle can and some do meet many people. You have to think of not only yourselves, but the people who you are having sex with. Over the years i have seen many people with health problems. all relating to unprotected sex. so not only sti's but long term health problems can occur.It should not matter if someone says "oh i am safe" you still dont have the proof. Be Carefull... VERY carefull !!!!! Thank you nurse " | |||
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"The two women I have unprotected sex with are a lesbian couple that I helped father a child for and they want another. " But what about the neighbour? | |||
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"Bareback! is a NO NO NO !!!!!! Not safe not worth the risk. These days far too many people catching STI'S from unprotected sex. People with the swinging lifestyle can and some do meet many people. You have to think of not only yourselves, but the people who you are having sex with. Over the years i have seen many people with health problems. all relating to unprotected sex. so not only sti's but long term health problems can occur.It should not matter if someone says "oh i am safe" you still dont have the proof. Be Carefull... VERY carefull !!!!! Thank you nurse " Your very welcome | |||
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"Ok as so many have mentioned but no one really thinks about it what about oral. Does anyone actually put a condom on to give a bj etc. It is just as easy to catch something from oral as it is from sex. I use condoms for sex normally but i hate them and no i dont use them for oral but thinking about it that actually makes no sense as i am just as likly to catch something that way am i not? jan" Actually, there is well documented evidence that specifically states that the risk is much much lower for oral v's vaginal (or anal) sex. Yes, there IS a risk, however, to put it in perspective, you are probably more likely to win the lottery, and get struck by lightening, in the same day!!! | |||
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"The two women I have unprotected sex with are a lesbian couple that I helped father a child for and they want another. But what about the neighbour?" The neighbour doesn't want a child!! | |||
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"The two women I have unprotected sex with are a lesbian couple that I helped father a child for and they want another. But what about the neighbour? The neighbour doesn't want a child!! " | |||
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"Bareback sex is good but in this community you have to be careful. I only participate in bareback sex with two of my regular partners and all others are always with protection. How many women on here still have bareback sex with strangers? " never with strangers but yes with regular who i have known for years | |||
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"Bareback sex is good but in this community you have to be careful. I only participate in bareback sex with two of my regular partners and all others are always with protection. How many women on here still have bareback sex with strangers? never with strangers but yes with regular who i have known for years" understandable comment | |||
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"i am shocked at the amount of pictures in the gallery i see of people doing bareback. i myself always use a condom for any penetrative sex i have.its just not worth risking.like someone said earlier, you dont know who the other person has had sex with and if they have anything.and if i did go bb then i wouldnt have sex with anyone else til id had a check. safety is a must with this way of life." they will prob be the couple in the profile - i bb with my husband but no-one else - do you use a dental dam for oral? Z | |||
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"Bareback sex is good but in this community you have to be careful. I only participate in bareback sex with two of my regular partners and all others are always with protection. How many women on here still have bareback sex with strangers? never with strangers but yes with regular who i have known for years understandable comment " just as a matter of interest why does knowing someone make them a any less risk than a stranger if they are willing to do bareback with you they are willing to do it with others they could have had a meet a couple of days before meeting you and have cought something and passed it onto you before they have even realised they have anything Thats not a criticism by the way im just genuinly interested to know why people think a sexually active friend they shag are any less risk than stranger? | |||
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"Bareback sex is good but in this community you have to be careful. I only participate in bareback sex with two of my regular partners and all others are always with protection. How many women on here still have bareback sex with strangers? never with strangers but yes with regular who i have known for years understandable comment just as a matter of interest why does knowing someone make them a any less risk than a stranger if they are willing to do bareback with you they are willing to do it with others they could have had a meet a couple of days before meeting you and have cought something and passed it onto you before they have even realised they have anything Thats not a criticism by the way im just genuinly interested to know why people think a sexually active friend they shag are any less risk than stranger?" the 2 i now as reguars arnt swingers im just their bit on the side. one of them ive been playing with for 29 years. think he is safe and im checked | |||
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"It is very difficult to determine the percentage of people contracting an STI via oral sex, because usually oral sex and penetrative sex are performed in the same session, and thereby very difficult to pinpoint at what point the infection was transmitted. " Absolutely correct! At last! Safe sex = no sex. People may not want to hear that but it's true. The idea that one type of sex is "safer" than another is pure self delusion. Statistically this may be supported by all sorts of data, but these figures assume, like many here, that penetrative sex is the main activity. And it's this fixation on "protection" against penetrative sex that is one's undoing. This fallacy was born partly because the first cases were gay men, and the desperate need to explain the speed with which the disease could have spread led many to believe it was through penentrative sex. Sadly we are now stuck with this fallacy. However if disease transmission is the true concern, HIV is not the only concern, and it only takes a small amount of virus. Also it is worth remembering that any "risk" is a real risk. The statistics may say there's a 1% risk, but for the person who develops symptoms it becomes 100%, and you don't know whether you will be that person. So be honest and be as healthy as you can, but please don't use these threads as a way of pointing the finger, or saying how worthy you think you are in comparison to everyone else. There are so many threads on this one topic, but it always ends up the same way, two opposing camps fighting and bickering against each other, although this time there seem to be more people admitting to it than before. Just remember we, as swingers, have such a battle justifying ourselves to the outside world that all this infighting isn't very dignified. And as already pointed out it is much safer than the normally accepted "blind dates", "club meets", and "pubs meets", that many vanillas take for granted. Just trying to move the conversation along. | |||
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"new number just been posted for a few hours folks, to friends old and new " Now that really does smack of desperation! | |||
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"damn i missed his number " You best get it quick because once he becomes a world famous porn star he'll forget all the little people like us lol | |||
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"new number just been posted for a few hours folks, to friends old and new Now that really does smack of desperation! " Yes really desperate, i even started to cry when you never phoned think i might get over it though with a little help from my friends | |||
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"BAREBACK IS ........................ Like playing Russian roulette. you know there are risks, but you think it will never happen to you. Well, wakey wakey, shit happens!!! Best case scenario... you might catch something fairly innocous (sp) and it gets cured, worst case, you catch something fatal AND PASS IT ON... do you want that on your concience (if you have one)? True, the only 100% safe sex is no sex, but the next best thing is to be sensible, so as that bloke on TV used to say... Lets be careful out there!" just had a posh wank on cam. loads of gay older men were watching | |||
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"BAREBACK IS ........................ True, the only 100% safe sex is no sex, but the next best thing is to be sensible, so as that bloke on TV used to say... Lets be careful out there!" This is so true...looking at the post people arrear to be taking blind faith in condoms! Even if you use condoms regular checkups at the GUM clinic are a must. In the Gay community and gay websites they no longer call it safe sex they call if safer sex... because there is still some risk even with condoms. | |||
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"BAREBACK IS ........................ True, the only 100% safe sex is no sex, but the next best thing is to be sensible, so as that bloke on TV used to say... Lets be careful out there! This is so true...looking at the post people arrear to be taking blind faith in condoms! Even if you use condoms regular checkups at the GUM clinic are a must. In the Gay community and gay websites they no longer call it safe sex they call if safer sex... because there is still some risk even with condoms." I much prefer the term safer... I had a guy that contacted us because we have that we sometimes BB... in talking to him he had not been checked because he always used condoms... I tried to explain that he was more of a risk than me... and he got very nasty... Also I to be fair think with the amount of unprotected oral I do and the amount of fluids I swallow that I think my risks are more from oral than the occassional bareback we indulge in.. I would say I have never done it with a stranger... but that would be lying.. As I have done in the past.. but its my life and I dont hide it and its a risk that we discussed before doing it. Cali x | |||
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"the amount of fluids I swallow ...you had to go there! " lol I knew you would appreciate it.. cali | |||
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"BAREBACK IS ........................ Like playing Russian roulette. you know there are risks, but you think it will never happen to you. Well, wakey wakey, shit happens!!! Best case scenario... you might catch something fairly innocous (sp) and it gets cured, worst case, you catch something fatal AND PASS IT ON... do you want that on your concience (if you have one)? True, the only 100% safe sex is no sex, but the next best thing is to be sensible, so as that bloke on TV used to say... Lets be careful out there! just had a posh wank on cam. loads of gay older men were watching " am not a gay older man | |||
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"BAREBACK IS ........................ Like playing Russian roulette. you know there are risks, but you think it will never happen to you. Well, wakey wakey, shit happens!!! Best case scenario... you might catch something fairly innocous (sp) and it gets cured, worst case, you catch something fatal AND PASS IT ON... do you want that on your concience (if you have one)? True, the only 100% safe sex is no sex, but the next best thing is to be sensible, so as that bloke on TV used to say... Lets be careful out there! just had a posh wank on cam. loads of gay older men were watching am not a gay older man " haha but your admitting to watching bobs knob lol | |||
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"BAREBACK IS ..................... I much prefer the term safer... I had a guy that contacted us because we have that we sometimes BB... in talking to him he had not been checked because he always used condoms... I tried to explain that he was more of a risk than me... and he got very nasty... Cali x" Sorry why his he more at risk than you? At our last GUM check, we where advised that in hetrosexual sex, not including anal, women are most at risk from HIV infection! | |||
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" Sorry why his he more at risk than you? At our last GUM check, we where advised that in hetrosexual sex, not including anal, women are most at risk from HIV infection!" because he thought he didnt need to get checked because he always played safe.. been swinging several years.. not been checked as no need.. so way more a risk than me. Cali x | |||
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" Sorry why his he more at risk than you? At our last GUM check, we where advised that in hetrosexual sex, not including anal, women are most at risk from HIV infection! because he thought he didnt need to get checked because he always played safe.. been swinging several years.. not been checked as no need.. so way more a risk than me. Cali x" No you're more at risk than he is, the fact he doesn't get checked has nothing to do with it. Not being checked will only mean he doesn't know and therefore pass it to others, but doesn't change his chances of actually getting it! | |||
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" No you're more at risk than he is, the fact he doesn't get checked has nothing to do with it. Not being checked will only mean he doesn't know and therefore pass it to others, but doesn't change his chances of actually getting it! " Which is why I said he is more of a risk than me... and he didnt like it.. I love to get fucked properly there fore take the risk.. but I am always checked after a wait period after we do BB... Therefore he was more at risk of giving me something, than I was of giving him something. Cali x | |||
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" No you're more at risk than he is, the fact he doesn't get checked has nothing to do with it. Not being checked will only mean he doesn't know and therefore pass it to others, but doesn't change his chances of actually getting it! Which is why I said he is more of a risk than me... and he didnt like it.. I love to get fucked properly there fore take the risk.. but I am always checked after a wait period after we do BB... Therefore he was more at risk of giving me something, than I was of giving him something. Cali x" condoms please | |||
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" No you're more at risk than he is, the fact he doesn't get checked has nothing to do with it. Not being checked will only mean he doesn't know and therefore pass it to others, but doesn't change his chances of actually getting it! Which is why I said he is more of a risk than me... and he didnt like it.. I love to get fucked properly there fore take the risk.. but I am always checked after a wait period after we do BB... Therefore he was more at risk of giving me something, than I was of giving him something. Cali x condoms please " pass us ur knob and i will put ur coat on | |||
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" No you're more at risk than he is, the fact he doesn't get checked has nothing to do with it. Not being checked will only mean he doesn't know and therefore pass it to others, but doesn't change his chances of actually getting it! Which is why I said he is more of a risk than me... and he didnt like it.. I love to get fucked properly there fore take the risk.. but I am always checked after a wait period after we do BB... Therefore he was more at risk of giving me something, than I was of giving him something. Cali x condoms please pass us ur knob and i will put ur coat on" miss pussycat you can but will you wash it with your mouth first? | |||
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" No you're more at risk than he is, the fact he doesn't get checked has nothing to do with it. Not being checked will only mean he doesn't know and therefore pass it to others, but doesn't change his chances of actually getting it! Which is why I said he is more of a risk than me... and he didnt like it.. I love to get fucked properly there fore take the risk.. but I am always checked after a wait period after we do BB... Therefore he was more at risk of giving me something, than I was of giving him something. Cali x" Still no! yo're still more at risk. Firstly because you are female and secondly, because he's not tested he doesn't know what he's got, you get test so do and therefore he's at less risk from you, but your at more risk from him. | |||
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" Firstly because you are female and secondly, because he's not tested he doesn't know what he's got, you get test so do and therefore he's at less risk from you, but your at more risk from him." that was what I said.. that I am more at risk from catching something from him.. I meant that he was a bigger risk to sexual partners than me...I know being a woman means that its easier for a man to pass things to me.. I enjoy BB when Master and I decide to... its not something we are stupid enough to do all the time.. or out at clubs or cinemas... but we wont NOT do it because there is a risk.. we just weigh up the risks.. but to me a bigger risk is those that think that because they use condoms that they dont need testing.. and they are out there.. And those that pretend they play safe.. but then are happy to ask me could they fill me.. while having across their profiles SAFE SEX ONLY... to people looking they are a much bigger risk as they are not being honest about what they are doing.. I cant put SAFE SEX always as we dont.. and I also like lots of messy play orally.... which of course those that dont swallow or taste other mens cum are at less risk.. so I get tested often... Lifes a risk, but its for living, and that is what I do.. same as I enjoy driving a car to its limits.. its all about the calculations of risk | |||
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" Firstly because you are female and secondly, because he's not tested he doesn't know what he's got, you get test so do and therefore he's at less risk from you, but your at more risk from him. that was what I said.. that I am more at risk from catching something from him.. I meant that he was a bigger risk to sexual partners than me...I know being a woman means that its easier for a man to pass things to me.. I enjoy BB when Master and I decide to... its not something we are stupid enough to do all the time.. or out at clubs or cinemas... but we wont NOT do it because there is a risk.. we just weigh up the risks.. but to me a bigger risk is those that think that because they use condoms that they dont need testing.. and they are out there.. And those that pretend they play safe.. but then are happy to ask me could they fill me.. while having across their profiles SAFE SEX ONLY... to people looking they are a much bigger risk as they are not being honest about what they are doing.. I cant put SAFE SEX always as we dont.. and I also like lots of messy play orally.... which of course those that dont swallow or taste other mens cum are at less risk.. so I get tested often... Lifes a risk, but its for living, and that is what I do.. same as I enjoy driving a car to its limits.. its all about the calculations of risk" Sorry I misunderstood what I thought you were trying to say was that he was at more risk of actually catching something, but I understand now. Yes their are plenty of people who use condoms and think everything is rosey. Happy playing | |||
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