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swinging is soul destructing

By *dgbaston.stalion OP Man over a year ago

Tunbridge wells

isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t think you could be more wrong it’s brought me and my wife closer together with ever play we’ve had

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'lots of sex makes your body less responsive'??? where did you get that little gem from? absolute rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do it then ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree. If it’s soul destroying, why do it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I disagree. If it’s soul destroying, why do it?"

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No sex makes babies XXX

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lots of sex?? I'm missing out on something, it seems

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The experiences I’ve had since joining here have enriched my life. My body’s sexual responses have never been so good and even the shit experiences have given me a positive to take away.

So not everyone has a rubbish soul destroying experience.

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By *ransGuyTV/TS over a year ago

Cardiff

It makes me feel alive! To give and receive pleasure lifts my mood and afterwards I'm left feeling happy and satisfied! I love it and can't get enough

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

Is that why you dropped the second 'l' in your username?

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By *orticiaWoman over a year ago

Wirral

It's given us a whole new dimension in our lives, a lot of good friends & some great times!

I wouldn't swap it for the world!

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me. "

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

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By *egasus NobMan over a year ago

Wandsworth

Swinging can be destructive to let say your principle and value, somethings are better not knowing than knowing once known you can't go back.

I'd guess swinging can also make you too openminded.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them. "

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ..."

No need to worry about that on fab then, eh lads!?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck."

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck."

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I could imagine it being soul destroying for those not looking for swinging fun... but that is the risk you take using a swinging site for other purposes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab."

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck."
ive found this out too , men dont really have any respect , i wudnt say its enriched my life , more opened my eyes to how mens minds work , the bullshit i get is breathtaking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else.

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By *eakcoupleCouple over a year ago

peak district

"I don’t think you could be more wrong it’s brought me and my wife closer together with ever play we’ve had "

Totally agree with this! We both think sex is totally natural, wanting it is healthy and that it isn't shameful to want new or different partners occasionally.

We're both highly sexed and would probably have had hidden affairs by now, but with swinging we can bet totally open about our needs and we usually fuck other people with the other one of us watching and participating. Yet we still have our best sex alone together. What is soul destroying about that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab? "

Well I can't speak to your experiences outside of Fab, I only know that the very nature of Fab makes it a poor place to find anything more than casual sex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My soul is intact.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

Well I can't speak to your experiences outside of Fab, I only know that the very nature of Fab makes it a poor place to find anything more than casual sex."

Yes. Of course. But you can also find a lot more that you weren't expecting. And not all of it good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else."

It depends what you mean by ‘everything ‘.

Some need a ‘spark’ connection, some need ‘love’. Others need no connection at all and in fact have the best sex because there’s no connection it is just physical sex.

If someone needs a ‘love’ or very close emotional connection for great sex then swinging is more than likely the wrong thing.

However there are great FWB which are exactly that. Great friends and great sex.

It could also be you just met the wrong guys too. Which is a shame.

At the end of the day swinging is not for everyone.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it."

If you're not a swinger then how has swinging been destructive for you?

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it.

If you're not a swinger then how has swinging been destructive for you?"

Past vs present tense She was a swinger and decided from experience it’s not for her.

Hence she can pass comments from personal experience.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.ive found this out too , men dont really have any respect , i wudnt say its enriched my life , more opened my eyes to how mens minds work , the bullshit i get is breathtaking "

Your using a very broad brush. Not all men think and act the same.

Funny, but we have met some of the most respectful men to be swingers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab."

Totally agree!!

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

It's taught me I'm worth far more than I ever thought, that you can find friends in the last place you expected.

My soul has been freed, not destroyed

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I think there is a great danger of swinging being emotionally damaging to those engaging in it, both those in and out of relationships. For instance I have a friend who hosted swinging parties for years, and she always had female partners crying in the ladies loos because it was not what they wanted.

Casual sex is fraught with emotional pitfalls and those who are single have even less support to be able to deal with them. We are all playing with fire and need to accept that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's taught me I'm worth far more than I ever thought, that you can find friends in the last place you expected.

My soul has been freed, not destroyed "

Beautifully put, and I absolutely agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have been swinging as a couple a single and in a poly.

Never no major issues. If i feel its being a chore or boring me i dont meet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some people need to take a break from the lifestyle.

The pros are more then the cons.

In my humble opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

Your using a very broad brush. Not all men think and act the same.

Funny, but we have met some of the most respectful men to be swingers.

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then you can be thankful for that , i cast my broad brush from many many years experience

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's taught me I'm worth far more than I ever thought, that you can find friends in the last place you expected.

My soul has been freed, not destroyed "

Totally concur

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I think there is a great danger of swinging being emotionally damaging to those engaging in it, both those in and out of relationships. For instance I have a friend who hosted swinging parties for years, and she always had female partners crying in the ladies loos because it was not what they wanted.

Casual sex is fraught with emotional pitfalls and those who are single have even less support to be able to deal with them. We are all playing with fire and need to accept that."

It's certainly not for everyone, people that are high in agreeableness struggle to say 'no' to their partners and will go along with things to try and avoid conflict. Kind of a problem in their lives more broadly than just sex though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm assuming it's the sex part of swinging that the OP is talking about.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

Your using a very broad brush. Not all men think and act the same.

Funny, but we have met some of the most respectful men to be swingers.

then you can be thankful for that , i cast my broad brush from many many years experience "

Yes but your wrong. Your saying men as in all men. When its patently not all men. It may be a minority or even majority but it’s not all.

If your finding your continuously meeting those type of men then you need to change how to look for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

Your using a very broad brush. Not all men think and act the same.

Funny, but we have met some of the most respectful men to be swingers.

then you can be thankful for that , i cast my broad brush from many many years experience

Yes but your wrong. Your saying men as in all men. When its patently not all men. It may be a minority or even majority but it’s not all.

If your finding your continuously meeting those type of men then you need to change how to look for them.

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ok thank you very much for ur advice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else."

I think you’re looking for something that isn’t what this site is about really. Have you tried plenty of fish or tinder?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

Your using a very broad brush. Not all men think and act the same.

Funny, but we have met some of the most respectful men to be swingers.

then you can be thankful for that , i cast my broad brush from many many years experience

Yes but your wrong. Your saying men as in all men. When its patently not all men. It may be a minority or even majority but it’s not all.

If your finding your continuously meeting those type of men then you need to change how to look for them.

Yeah i’d like to say we’re not all like that at all either..

I hope some one comes along and changes your opinion of single men because we’re not all bad

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

You are looking at it from a single guys perspective maybe?

Think you would find it's a different ball game when you play as a couple.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions

You are looking at it from a single guys perspective maybe?

Think you would find it's a different ball game when you play as a couple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else.

I think you’re looking for something that isn’t what this site is about really. Have you tried plenty of fish or tinder? "

They are worse than fab, in my opinion. A lot have the fab mentality, but with the added deceit of looking for more. That being said, I think you can always find someone who fits your niche, even on fab. It depends on who you decide to engage with. Some can be detrimental to your swinging experience and some can be amazing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

Same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve found this lifestyle liberating. I had always tried to be someone I’m not, but since I’ve been swinging I’ve been able to accept that monogamy is not only unnatural for me, but it’s also not wrong. And some of the experiences we’ve had are incredible. I’ve been treated well by the men we’ve got to know through swinging. But we’re very careful and try to only mix with the guys who are part of the lifestyle, as opposed to looking for a shag. I suspect I wouldn’t find find this lifestyle so rewarding if I were single.

Mrs

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By *dgbaston.stalion OP Man over a year ago

Tunbridge wells

thanks for sharing all your views .... tolerance is key i guess ... moderation in everything also is very important ... so try not to force your view on others just accept it that is. Open-mindedness at its core

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By *dgbaston.stalion OP Man over a year ago

Tunbridge wells

i completely Agree ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else.

I think you’re looking for something that isn’t what this site is about really. Have you tried plenty of fish or tinder? "

No shit.

And briefly. They're worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else.

I think you’re looking for something that isn’t what this site is about really. Have you tried plenty of fish or tinder?

No shit.

And briefly. They're worse."

Ok so why are you on here still?

If a single guy had your opinions but was still onsite he would be called a wank banker or a pic collector or worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

I think I had the mindset of wanting decent sex without anything else involved. I've learnt i don't get decent sex without everything else, but men don't want me for the everything else.

I think you’re looking for something that isn’t what this site is about really. Have you tried plenty of fish or tinder?

No shit.

And briefly. They're worse.

Ok so why are you on here still?

If a single guy had your opinions but was still onsite he would be called a wank banker or a pic collector or worse.

I've been called worse.

What does it matter why I'm here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of sex?? I'm missing out on something, it seems

Not for long I'm sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

Definitely not. Sometimes some of the people you might come in to contact with might make you second guess yourself but that's life in general not just through the site.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have had just a few meetings,but have enjoyed all of them and am grateful to the people concerned for the experience.At my age it is so difficult to get a lady friend,so I content myself with what I can get here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not a swinger & I don’t find all this soul destroying, there are people that do and I can understand their reasoning.

I do find though, indulging in nsa sex over the years isn’t as fulufilling as it once was, possibly because I’ve become somehow desensitised with time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of sex?? I'm missing out on something, it seems

that makes two of us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m not a swinger & I don’t find all this soul destroying, there are people that do and I can understand their reasoning.

I do find though, indulging in nsa sex over the years isn’t as fulufilling as it once was, possibly because I’ve become somehow desensitised with time."

Agreed, I found myself gravitate from nsa fun to the more sensual aspects of fun.

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By *aucySecretCoupleCouple over a year ago

Southampton

For some it may be soul destroying however within the 'swinging world' there will be numerous psychological responses to thier actions. I would suspect most would feel europhic after a swinging experience, perhaps even slightly addicted?

Some will feel depressed, worthless, guilty - those from certain religious backgrounds may respond differently to an atheist or agnostic.

I would be concerned though if someone who wasn't in sound, stable mental health indulged - the outcome could be very unpredictable not just after but during too. (Stable is the key word here).

Whatever, I do feel the best way to air your concerns or not is to talk - good communication is the success to most things. That includes posting/commenting in this type of topic on here perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi

Some will feel depressed, worthless, guilty - those from certain religious backgrounds may respond differently to an atheist or agnostic.

I would be concerned though if someone who wasn't in sound, stable mental health indulged - the outcome could be very unpredictable not just after but during too. (Stable is the key word here).

Whatever, I do feel the best way to air your concerns or not is to talk - good communication is the success to most things. That includes posting/commenting in this type of topic on here perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sorry some have had bad experiences on here. But when I was on here as a single fem, I found it liberating that I could cut the bullshit and just be accepted as a woman wanting nsa fun!

The men on here had better attitudes towards sex, were much better in bed and much less selfish than my previous vanilla experiences.

I felt a social pariah in vanilla world for wanting casual sex!

Yes you have to pick your partners carefully as you would in vanilla world.

Once I discovered swinging, I knew I could never go back to shit vanilla attitudes!

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By *ordsandstuffMan over a year ago

Highbury

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me. "

The focus on shapes and bodies that this place encourages can lead to a shallowness of thought and a loss of some more important thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nor is it compulsory...

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By *irginieWoman over a year ago

Near Marlborough

Not soul destroying, far from it, but sometimes I find the bullshit tiring. When that happens I gravitate back to clubland where I don’t care for anyone’s “story” and can just have some fun just for me.

V x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m not a swinger & I don’t find all this soul destroying, there are people that do and I can understand their reasoning.

I do find though, indulging in nsa sex over the years isn’t as fulufilling as it once was, possibly because I’ve become somehow desensitised with time."

That's a really interesting observation Roxy. Perhaps it's because singles don't have a deeper relationship to fall back on as couples do? Real sex is more than a shag ... it's emotional, engaging and, dare I say, spiritual too. If we stay at the physical level then we haven't really experienced what sex is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of sex?? I'm missing out on something, it seems

Not for long I'm sure

Hello stranger!

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

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By *ficouldMan over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

I learnt very quickly when I joined that my initial thoughts of what I wanted (nsa) were very far from what I needed. I learnt that it is my mind that has control not my appendage.

I wouldn't say I find this site soul destroying although I have been in a low place a few times because of it or should that be the people on here, but would that have been different in a real world scenario?

I have found I've learnt a lot, things I would have never known had I not been on this site, the forums are a distraction, I smile, wince, grimace, laugh and groan at them.

Would I think about other sites as mentioned above, no as am sure they are as bad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth. "

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me. "

You’re not supposed to talk according to your profile

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment."

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy. "

OK, fair enough

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thenwhy are you here ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough"

But really, my point wasn't about me, per se. It was about how swinging could definitley seem very hollow if you were the kind of person (as a lot of people are) who likes to have some kind of connection with the people you have sex with. I think it takes a certain kind of person to be a single who meets couples, and that is someone who can utterly dissociate sex from any kind of emotion. In the same way as the couple view you as an accessory, you'd view them as "better than a wank".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

Well, we've played with quite a few singles (M & F) over the years, and I'm pretty sure not even one felt like an accessory at any time. It's all about mutual respect and everyone having a great time.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

Seems some people are meeting the wrong people.

We never treat anyone-couple or single - as just an accessory.

It’s about everyone having fun. The more you put in then the more you get out.

Emotions are good. Having emotion does not mean you fall in love with someone. It can just mean your turned on by them.

Of course others may prefer different.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course. "

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual."

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course. "

No. they were not an accessory. They were part of an mutual experience that brought and gave pleasure to all participants. There is no them or us. It is a team sport.

We find we form some sort of relationship with people - however brief.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases). "

Interesting perspective (and bracketed caveat noted). Only a single can answer the question whether meeting a couple is only worthwhile because it's marginally better than a wank. Btw, wouldn't the same apply to the couple? They can wank, too.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

I think, generally couples discuss fantasies etc and act upon them, so in that respect, no. I'm sure for some couples, mutual exploration of fantasy brings them closer together (it tears others apart). It's a shared experience for them and in many ways, part of their lovemaking.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

A couple and a single are never "on the same level" the bond between two of them far outweighs their bond with the third.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

A couple and a single are never "on the same level" the bond between two of them far outweighs their bond with the third. "

Never say never. Maybe our experience differs from yours.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

A couple and a single are never "on the same level" the bond between two of them far outweighs their bond with the third.

Never say never. Maybe our experience differs from yours. "

Like I said - Polyamoury is the exception. If you have a three or four strong relationship, all living or spending the majority of your time together, you may have a point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't have a soul,sold it in a deal at the crossroads.

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

A couple and a single are never "on the same level" the bond between two of them far outweighs their bond with the third.

Never say never. Maybe our experience differs from yours.

Like I said - Polyamoury is the exception. If you have a three or four strong relationship, all living or spending the majority of your time together, you may have a point. "

And I’m saying it’s nothing to do with a Polyamory. The shared experience can be so strong that people (2/3/4) are on the same level even if for a few hours.

I can only go on our experience which sounds like it differs from yours.

What is certain is that we don’t treat others as an accessory to the event. They are part of the event. It succeeds or fails on all the participants. Certainly some experiences are better than others and some are truly mind blowing.

Again we can only go on our experience. The mileage of others may differ.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

A couple and a single are never "on the same level" the bond between two of them far outweighs their bond with the third.

Never say never. Maybe our experience differs from yours.

Like I said - Polyamoury is the exception. If you have a three or four strong relationship, all living or spending the majority of your time together, you may have a point.

And I’m saying it’s nothing to do with a Polyamory. The shared experience can be so strong that people (2/3/4) are on the same level even if for a few hours.

I can only go on our experience which sounds like it differs from yours.

Again we can only go on our experience. The mileage of others may differ.

I'm interested to know how you know what participants, who were not part of your couple were.

Did you go home with them afterwards? Do you talk on the phone when you are not meeting? Do you meet them for a coffee when sex is not on the cards and invest in them emotionally?

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"As a singe, the OP might have a point.

If you swing with couples, you are nothing but an accessory to their relationship. As a man, you might as well be a dildo.

It can be fun if you can handle that, but I can see how it could destroy your self worth.

Oh come on. Set your expectations appropriately, choose carefully and enjoy the moment.

I do - I don't meet couples, I'm worth more than being an extra penis in someone elses' fantasy.

OK, fair enough

But they were an accessory - they aren't part of your relationship, they are "entertainment" to spice up your love life.

Except if you are polyamourous, of course.

And we were part of their entertainment. You know, mutual.

Which is exactly what I said in my post prior. To the single, you were merely "better than a wank" (in most cases).

Maybe for some not all.

For most I’d say it just a hedonistic enjoyment.

The lifestyle is more than just a shag or a fuck.

It’s freedom of mind, body and spirit and when all participants are on the same level it is most enjoyable.

A couple and a single are never "on the same level" the bond between two of them far outweighs their bond with the third.

Never say never. Maybe our experience differs from yours.

Like I said - Polyamoury is the exception. If you have a three or four strong relationship, all living or spending the majority of your time together, you may have a point.

And I’m saying it’s nothing to do with a Polyamory. The shared experience can be so strong that people (2/3/4) are on the same level even if for a few hours.

I can only go on our experience which sounds like it differs from yours.

Again we can only go on our experience. The mileage of others may differ.

I'm interested to know how you know what participants, who were not part of your couple were.

Did you go home with them afterwards? Do you talk on the phone when you are not meeting? Do you meet them for a coffee when sex is not on the cards and invest in them emotionally?"

I won’t go into details. You will just have to take my word for it.

The point of my argument it’s to de bunk your ‘just an accessory and better than a wank’ statement.

I’m sure some people are treated just as an accessory or view it as better than a Wank.

As said, ( fortunately ?) our experience seems to differ from yours Be that swinging, FWB or polyamory and we have experienced all three so know the difference.

And to reiterate. Even in swinging all participants can be on the same wave length even if for a short time and a one off meet.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

Like everything in Life it depends on where your head is at .

I have had some great meets & some awful ones .

The bad ones were when i wasnt particularly in a great place but was horny . The meet went well the sex was ok , the people were lovely , but i had a shit head at the time .

The good meets have been Excellent .

Ive been on top of my game, played my part in creating a great atmosphere & the sex was fantastic the meets were Fantastic & my head was in a great place .

If its not for you at the minute leave it alone , if your head is in a good place go out of your way to be the person you try to be but in the good place .

P.s if meeting couples , then know that you are there for your pleasure , but as there spare for wanting of a better phrase .

If you think you deserve more than that , you'll be dissapointed .

If you do get to be more than that its because you played the part of an extra to there fun well & they will want it again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

Do you teach in one of those secret schools

Don't forget to kill a fag

And women that wear perfume are sluts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's soul destroying if you're on here pretending to be a swinger.

NSA sex is like everything else - boring if you do it too often.

I'm not a swinger - I'm a single that needs sex.

But I'm not sure NSA is floating my boat anymore

I'm not on here to look for a relationship - now that would be soul destroying

It's also soul destroying for the one in the couple that is swinging for their partner and not because they want to.

I no longer meet couples because of so many weird dynamics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

The focus on shapes and bodies that this place encourages can lead to a shallowness of thought and a loss of some more important thoughts."

What are you trying to say?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it."

So you are not a swinger but swinging has been destructive to you????

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By *dgbaston.stalion OP Man over a year ago

Tunbridge wells

i started this topic to see how ppl react and its very very eye opening !

haha .... all in all people are different moderation is key in swinging ..it have a different impact on us depending on who you are i guess ....

but regardless its very addictive

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I’m not a swinger & I don’t find all this soul destroying, there are people that do and I can understand their reasoning.

I do find though, indulging in nsa sex over the years isn’t as fulufilling as it once was, possibly because I’ve become somehow desensitised with time.

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By *luepill99Man over a year ago

Stalybridge & North Walesles

its not soul destroying, It can be hole destroying which is a great feeling

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

For me my values and beliefs are challanged by this life style. And as a result i have developed my own set of Ethics to deal with it. Mainly how i incorporate my values on the Scene. The key for me is respect, both for others and myself. Being truely me on the scene. Either challanging the things i find wrong or enjoying the company of others. I am no saint, far from it but I like to think i value the person first the body second. Good sex requires respect for the person your fucking. As a Dom its critical and without it thats just abuse.

Selfasteam rises and falls on the scene for some who thought themselves undisirable discover lust for others they feel used. Respecting the person first valueing them as a soul helps to ballance that out. We have needs we fulfill them but its a two way street (or more) we must give to recive.

I am privalledged to have found some of the best people i have ever met on here. Real friends with real respect for each other. The sex is great to. You dont have to merry them to find that. Just give respect and yourself and the good people will give it back and more. This enriches the soul. Those who wish only to take can do one.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it.

So you are not a swinger but swinging has been destructive to you????"

More than half the replies that agree it soul destroying, start with " I'm not a swinger"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?"

They're not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it.

So you are not a swinger but swinging has been destructive to you????

More than half the replies that agree it soul destroying, start with " I'm not a swinger"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

They're not."

Could've fooled me

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab? "

Should be less judgemental of everyone, including yourself....just relax and go with the flow and take and enjoy every day as it comes......you do not know what sorrow and heartache could be just around the corner x

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Funny how its mainly single 'swingers' criticising it

I'm not a swinger and I'm not criticising it.

So you are not a swinger but swinging has been destructive to you????

More than half the replies that agree it soul destroying, start with " I'm not a swinger"

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

Eh? You don't know me or what I've experienced. Seriously.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

Eh? You don't know me or what I've experienced. Seriously."

And you don’t know me....which is why I am saying be more open minded and less judgemental of everyone....you don’t what problems people have just by looking....seriously

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes i feel it is .i met someone great sex and saw each other 18 month's every week and sleep overs and moved away .left me gutted and put me off swinging .

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

God...why are you people even on here then....let alone post on the forums.....you are just trolls who wish to piss people off.....it is true....you are not swingers as swingers would be less judgemental and pessimistic....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"God...why are you people even on here then....let alone post on the forums.....you are just trolls who wish to piss people off.....it is true....you are not swingers as swingers would be less judgemental and pessimistic....

I agree, it feels like some people just get off on winding people up because they have no life. Like someone said earlier, most negative posts are coming from non swingers

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

I agree, it feels like some people just get off on winding people up because they have no life. Like someone said earlier, most negative posts are coming from non swingers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

Eh? You don't know me or what I've experienced. Seriously.

And you don’t know me....which is why I am saying be more open minded and less judgemental of everyone....you don’t what problems people have just by looking....seriously

But I'm not judging!!!' I'm the one being judged!

Geez....

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By *loswingersCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

The very essence of swinging is nsa sex . Couples have the rest of what makes a relationship with each other , so invariably they will often seem cold or clinical compared to singles in the scene . And since the couple will develop what gives them an extra buzz on top of their already satisfying sex life , singles may feel like an accessory when joining a couple .

But that’s what swinging is !

It isn’t real ! It’s a bit of fun now and again , it’s an itch that needs scratching . It’s by no means meant to be the be all and end all , nor is it designed to be there for people to find true love and happiness . It’s simply an opportunity to experience hedonistic fun .

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

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By *ieldpatTV/TS over a year ago

near Raphoe

Sex keeps me young n happy...thats what matters in life

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By *ieldpatTV/TS over a year ago

near Raphoe

Sex keeps me young n happy...thats what matters in life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Since when did sex make your body less responsive. Swinging isn’t descructive but making bad decisions and meeting the wrong people can definitely be very destructive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don’t think you could be more wrong it’s brought me and my wife closer together with ever play we’ve had "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don’t think you could be more wrong it’s brought me and my wife closer together with ever play we’ve had "
there are lots people whose lifes fall apart Cose of this lifestyle so u can't say he's wrong

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By *ringles0510Woman over a year ago

Central Borders

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

Eh? You don't know me or what I've experienced. Seriously.

And you don’t know me....which is why I am saying be more open minded and less judgemental of everyone....you don’t what problems people have just by looking....seriously

But I'm not judging!!!' I'm the one being judged!

Geez.... "

I totally get you. Been a roller coaster ride for me as well, mainly because of the attitudes a lot of guys have towards us. Had some of the best times ever through here, but it's also knocked me right on my arse at times. Still think the good times make up for the bad ones and after a difficult few months and a bit of "self reflecting" (read: not give a flying fuck about the arseholes roaming the site and treating you like a piece of meat) I'm just about back to my usual, happy and confident self again.

And OP, I don't think too much sex is going to make your body less responsive in any way. Although got to admit, if I've gone without for a while the orgasms are more explosive, but that might be just me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

Hopefully you don't mean that. No-one should judge themselves by their experience on Fab.

Of course I mean it. Why wouldn't I judge myself on my experiences, all of them, including fab?

Eh? You don't know me or what I've experienced. Seriously.

And you don’t know me....which is why I am saying be more open minded and less judgemental of everyone....you don’t what problems people have just by looking....seriously

But I'm not judging!!!' I'm the one being judged!

Geez....

thanks for that. I'm glad you've got it back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I am a swinger and this lifestyle has worked well for me, as I explained in my earlier post. Does saying that make me defensive? Or does saying that simply mean I’m making a contribution to the thread from my own personal experience of swinging. If however I had never been a swinger, then I wouldn’t know if swinging was destructive, therefore would only be in a position to speculate.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I am a swinger and this lifestyle has worked well for me, as I explained in my earlier post. Does saying that make me defensive? Or does saying that simply mean I’m making a contribution to the thread from my own personal experience of swinging. If however I had never been a swinger, then I wouldn’t know if swinging was destructive, therefore would only be in a position to speculate.

Mrs"

Offs. I'll caveat it with 'some'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

Offs. I'll caveat it with 'some'"

I don’t really think anybody has been defensive about their love of swinging. But I guess we all have a different perception of what people mean when they express themselves. When does explaining ones position become a stance of defence?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?"

It's like someone starts a thread saying: "I'd like to ask liverpool fans what you think of jurgen klopp's performance as manager?" And then 70% of the replies come back with "well I'm an Everton supporter but..."

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By *olarfoxMan over a year ago

North Cambs

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

Making very good sense as always! ^^

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

Exactly, i can understand how someone who was a single and invited into the a swinging couples sex life could feel a bit soulless, but that ain't swinging! I suppose i had a small taste of that as a male in a MMMF, but i also had a MMF with the same F and it was really fun because i felt like i was adding something they couldn't have done with just the two of them. For some reason i felt like an interchangable cock when the numbers got bigger. But that probably relates more to the type of sex i like (i.e. including kissing).

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I think if you feel that swinging or indeed anything is damaging your soul in any way you should stop doing it if you possibly can.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

This is a good point - Many couples feel that singles cannot be swingers anyway and I imagine the dynamic changes if everyone concerned is in a swinging relationship, whether or not they are participating in whatever sex is taking place on any given occasion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that."

Caveat - I agreed FOR ME

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By *olarfoxMan over a year ago

North Cambs

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

There are times when I feel I am doing it too much and back off... mainly because the amount of excitement I derive from it diminishes if I 'overdo it'. I also have found myself backing off when I become emotionally involved with individuals who are not into the scene.

Invariably I come back however, and this is because of the pleasure I derive from sexual encounters that only swinging can provide me...It is not only about the couples' fantasies! As a single it is also about mine! Where else can I indulge in threesomes - the pleasure of acts like DP, DVP, being watched while I have sex, for example and indeed all the other potential scenarios which necessarily involve more than one other person...

Many things in life can become 'soul destroying' to a particular individual and if swinging is one of those things for you then stop doing it! It really is as simple as that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

Many things in life can become 'soul destroying' to a particular individual and if swinging is one of those things for you then stop doing it! It really is as simple as that!"

Does anyone actually continue if it is?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

Many things in life can become 'soul destroying' to a particular individual and if swinging is one of those things for you then stop doing it! It really is as simple as that!

Does anyone actually continue if it is?"

Some do - in the same way that people continue other behaviours that are self-destructive sometimes.

For example - I can drink alcohol without it being an act of self-destruction, some people can't but drink anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

Many things in life can become 'soul destroying' to a particular individual and if swinging is one of those things for you then stop doing it! It really is as simple as that!

Does anyone actually continue if it is?

Some do - in the same way that people continue other behaviours that are self-destructive sometimes.

For example - I can drink alcohol without it being an act of self-destruction, some people can't but drink anyway. "

I was making the point that I don't.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that."

I didn't jump on it, i'm just asking how you have an informed opinion to give on how swinging effects the soul since you aren't a swinger? That just seems like a question you need first hand experience to answer. Doesn't sound like the OP is a swinger either.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

Many things in life can become 'soul destroying' to a particular individual and if swinging is one of those things for you then stop doing it! It really is as simple as that!"

Yes that's a good point. Swinging is primarily about excitement for us, which would diminish if we did it too often. That's not the same for everyone, but i think it's true for most people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered."

I don't know how to understand the answer without grilling you on your personal life - which I'm not about to do because it's none of my business and it's a public forum. But at face value the answer makes no sense to me or other people that have commented.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging. "

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

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By *ussexfun01Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"I don’t think you could be more wrong it’s brought me and my wife closer together with ever play we’ve had "

Same here.. 32 Years together and played from day one. ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think Jim makes some excellent points , and by and large I agree with him .

But that’s what swinging is !

Well that’s what we think anyway .... and it works for us

If a couple felt that swinging was soulless then why the flip would they do it?

Many things in life can become 'soul destroying' to a particular individual and if swinging is one of those things for you then stop doing it! It really is as simple as that!

Yes that's a good point. Swinging is primarily about excitement for us, which would diminish if we did it too often. That's not the same for everyone, but i think it's true for most people. "

We probably did it too much in the year that swinging really kicked off for us. I think we went to about 10 parties that year. We couldn’t get enough of it. It never lost its excitement but we found that the time it took in our life prevented us from doing other things that we enjoyed. From that perspective it was not good. So pulled back and now enjoy all the other things in our life as well as swinging. However if time allowed we would play a bit more than we do. Only once have we made the mistake of getting involved with someone who made us feel demoralised, but that was in the early days and we’ve learnt from that.

Mrs

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I don't have to do something to perceive the damage it can cause to people, I merely have to be observant in their company.

I don't think there is a need for all this aggression - it is obviously a high risk activity in a lot of ways and being forewarned is forearmed, that's simply logical. Some people have a great time, others are destroyed by it - no-one being honest should try to deny either, the evidence is all around us.

Some marriages are enhanced, others are destroyed - it is a high risk activity, period. Some singles 'on the scene' have a great time, others end up being deeply damaged by their experience.

Only when we accept these facts can we look dispassionately at what works, what doesn't, and why - and maybe help some of the people who are struggling, or prevent someone being burned, or even losing a marriage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't have to do something to perceive the damage it can cause to people, I merely have to be observant in their company.

Some marriages are enhanced, others are destroyed - it is a high risk activity, period. Some singles 'on the scene' have a great time, others end up being deeply damaged by their experience.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here."

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

SO take a break somtimes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

This is the difference between swinging and sex. meaningless sex is fun for a couple of times, but if there is no real connection... This is why I am fussy who I meet, I can get sex anytime!

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Yeah. It's been very destructive for me.

How so?

Have met people where swinging didn’t work for them.

It's taught me I'm only worth a fuck.

A shame you feel that way or had that experience.

Sometimes single guys ( even couples ) get the same feeling ie ‘ their just hired to use, abuse and throw away.

Swinging can be a mind set and different people have different mind sets to what they want out of the lifestyle.

This is the difference between swinging and sex. meaningless sex is fun for a couple of times, but if there is no real connection... This is why I am fussy who I meet, I can get sex anytime!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it.

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By *oiluvfunMan over a year ago

Penrith

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

Lots of sex makes my body feel alive.

Swinging with likeminded fun people makes me feel alive.

Visiting swingers clubs as a single guy has been soul destroying for me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it. "

I have to confess it jarred a little bit with me when you said that some swingers were being defensive. As it wasn’t obvious to me and some others what the defensive comments were, and it wasn’t explained which comments you felt were defensive, it came across as a sweeping statement. Sweeping statements that are not substantiated often get people’s backs up, even if the person saying the statement didn’t intend to cause upset. I mean when you said that, I was left thinking does she mean me? I am one of the people she thinks is defensive? I don’t think it’s your opinion on the subject matter that has upset people.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions

Lots of sex makes my body feel alive.

Swinging with likeminded fun people makes me feel alive.

Visiting swingers clubs as a single guy has been soul destroying for me. "
why has swingers clubs been soul destroying ?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Maybe in denial.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it. "

I am not the one that comes on here, moaning and whining, and saying they are not a swinger?....this is a swingers site....you have OPENLY admitted you are not a swinger.....if that doesn’t make you a troll then I don’t know what does....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it.

Several people on various threads have said they are not swingers. You're not trying to force them to leave. I don't whinge and moan, I answered the op. Just because you don't like my thoughts doesn't make me a troll. But you're looking like a bully.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

If it is destructive, why on earth would someone continue to do it? Surely self respect alone would tell someone to step away. If i stopped enjoying any pastime I'd step away. It's not rocket science.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it.

I think you need to go back and read the whole thread again....you seem to have lost your way and twisted what the rest of the people on this thread have said.....Me...a bully for trying to tell you this is not the right place for you? ....so be it....

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By *olarfoxMan over a year ago

North Cambs

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions

Lots of sex makes my body feel alive.

Swinging with likeminded fun people makes me feel alive.

Visiting swingers clubs as a single guy has been soul destroying for me. "

That last point is a good one actually

I really don't attend clubs these days (nor for some time have I) on my own. I only go to clubs if I have arranged a meet at one, or occasionally in the company of a single girl. I find the whole business of hanging around at a club as a single male, just hoping that I might be 'chosen', rather unpleasant and even a bit 'sad', personally. So, unless something is prearranged I prefer to spend my social time doing other things, or just socializing in a normal pub/club.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it.

Non-swingers have every right to use this site as do you, and likewise express their opinions in the forums. But it’s not true that you just answered the OP. You did make an unprovoked inflammatory comment that was not in answer to the OP. When I politely questioned it yesterday you said ‘ffs’ which I think means ‘for fucks sake’? I’m guessing you don’t agree that your comment was inflammatory, so as result you feel picked on by those who react negatively to what you say.

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

What started out as an interesting and challanging thread has degenerated into a slanging match.

Its a shame as the OPs first post asks importaint questions for a lot of us. I dont wholly agree with the OPs views (but respect the OPs feelings). The enjoyment, or lack of it, of swinging is down to the individual and the reasons thier here.

If this life style is not good for someone than its right to leave it. We should respect that decision.

I have friends to this day i met on the Scene and no longer sleep with and or left the scene. They are still my friends sex or not.

For me it is the person first the body second. That works for me and I hope makes the people i sleep with feel respected.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions

Heroin adducts are often quite well aware their addiction is destructive. Life isn't so simple as realising something is destructive automatically leading to stopping doing it.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Why are those that love swinging so defensive?

No it isn't! The op specifically said swinging is soul destructive. I agreed, you jumped on that.

And your disingenuous question was answered.

Unless you mean NSA sex is soulless and that i could understand, but i think you should recognise a difference between that and swinging.

You're question, which is disingenuous, was answered by someone else.

This continual picking at me and my experiences is boring. I couldn't care less that you enjoy swinging. It's not for me so I don't do it. It doesn't have any impact on anyone else me being here.

Your continued trolling is boring....you are clearly here just to attention seek, and obviously even negative attention is feeding your ego...

Leave the swingers to their/our forum and go on a forum that suits you better on another website somewhere....you are only pissing yourself off....why would you want to do that?..

I answered the op. Just because you didn't like or agree with it doesn't make it trolling. I'm not pissed off, that's clearly you. it's not your forum to decide who can post to it.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"What started out as an interesting and challanging thread has degenerated into a slanging match.

If this life style is not good for someone than its right to leave it. We should respect that decision.

I have friends to this day i met on the Scene and no longer sleep with and or left the scene. They are still my friends sex or not.

For me it is the person first the body second. That works for me and I hope makes the people i sleep with feel respected."

It's not a slagging match, just that there's a difference between NSA sex and swinging. If you haven't experienced swinging as part of a loving couple then I'd say you haven't got an informed opinion. I just made the comment that I think a lot of people commenting are really talking about NSA sex and not swinging.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman over a year ago

Cheltenham

"What started out as an interesting and challanging thread has degenerated into a slanging match.

If this life style is not good for someone than its right to leave it. We should respect that decision.

I have friends to this day i met on the Scene and no longer sleep with and or left the scene. They are still my friends sex or not.

For me it is the person first the body second. That works for me and I hope makes the people i sleep with feel respected.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" isn't it ? lots of sex make you body less responsive , and swinging is soul destructing ....feel free to express your view about the matter xxx

i love various opinions "

It can be for some I think but you can’t know till you try it I suppose and you find reality is somewhat different to the fantasy. As people say ‘it’s not for everyone’

I found it did affect my physical ability on those occasions where there was little else other than fab and it became a bit obsessive early on. I think I was becoming desensitised to have any sexual stimulation. I realised this after a rather heavy workload kept me occupied for about a week with not even a thought about fab or sex being too busy with more important things at the time. After it all settled down and I had some ‘me time’ I found I was reinvigorated, physically and mentally. I still find that even now. For me, a larger part of the time, I need other things occupying my mind and body and fab and fun is where it should be.....a small but important part of me to enjoy a pleasant unexpected or very often planned excursion.

Well that’s how it works for me but we are all different so the experience of ‘swinging’ is very much down to the individual. As it should be I guess

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"What started out as an interesting and challanging thread has degenerated into a slanging match.

If this life style is not good for someone than its right to leave it. We should respect that decision.

I have friends to this day i met on the Scene and no longer sleep with and or left the scene. They are still my friends sex or not.

For me it is the person first the body second. That works for me and I hope makes the people i sleep with feel respected.

I am not sure you need to have personal experience of something to have a valid opinion on it. I think we would all agree to living under a dictatorship would be a negative thing, even though few of us have had that experience.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"What started out as an interesting and challanging thread has degenerated into a slanging match.

If this life style is not good for someone than its right to leave it. We should respect that decision.

I have friends to this day i met on the Scene and no longer sleep with and or left the scene. They are still my friends sex or not.

For me it is the person first the body second. That works for me and I hope makes the people i sleep with feel respected.

I know that one doesn't have to take heroin to know the effects of it, but we are talking about the effects on the soul. I maintain that you can't really understand that deeper level without personal experience. I could tell you what heroin does to the body because that's biological fact, never having taken it, i do not have an informed opinion on what it does to the soul.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"What started out as an interesting and challanging thread has degenerated into a slanging match.

If this life style is not good for someone than its right to leave it. We should respect that decision.

I have friends to this day i met on the Scene and no longer sleep with and or left the scene. They are still my friends sex or not.

For me it is the person first the body second. That works for me and I hope makes the people i sleep with feel respected.

I suppose it all depends what you mean by "soul". If you mean the psychological effect on an individual, then of course each individual will be different, but we can still make generalised judgments about what the likely psychological effects will be and can thus say, without personal experience, that, on the whole, heroin addiction will have a negative psychological effect.

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