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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This is a question for the women on the forums - Do you have the ability to identify what is sincere and what is most likely bull*hit?
As I type this, there are responses to a thread on the subject of fake tits, along the lines of "I honestly don't mind either way, my only concern is the woman's happiness", a thread randomly stating that ALL womens' bodies are beautiful, regardless of size, etc and another in which men are falling over eachother to make it known to the women on here that they are male feminists and that they see women making sexual assault allegations as "heroes" (regardless of whether the truth is known)
Knowing quite a lot of men and being one myself, I know for a fact that the vast majority of men do not think this way, so don't you find it odd that all the single men who do, happen to be on here?
So do the women on here believe that the tiny minority of men who are passionate about female equality, care more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks and believe that women of any age/size are beautiful, as long as they have a good personality - all happen to be single and completely disproportionately represented on this website, or do you think that it may be more likely that it is completely insincere and an act, designed to get you receptive to contact, so they can eventually f*ck you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, I treat everything on here as someone saying what they think I want to hear.
People I've met from here face to face however are completely different, and I tend to take more notice of things they say. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't think it's either. I think quite often people post what they "should". They probably believe it themselves too.
It's actions that tell all. Saying you're attracted to all body types doesn't make it true and your natural inclinations will draw you a certain way regardless.
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I have been aware of the flattery/agreement/psychophant method of getting sex since I was about 18 and am more not less cynical now. I believe I am able via the use of my finely honed bullshitometer to tell genuinely held views from those just expressed to curry favour. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I have been aware of the flattery/agreement/psychophant method of getting sex since I was about 18 and am more not less cynical now. I believe I am able via the use of my finely honed bullshitometer to tell genuinely held views from those just expressed to curry favour."
I see no problem with flattery. Compliments seen a reasonable starting point in a quest to sleep with someone, but I find creating a whole false identity whereby you pretend to a charitable humanitarian, passionate about the empowerment of women to be incredibly slippery. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes, OP, I feel I can tell the difference between bull shit and sincerity. I also know that the bull shit tends to increase exponentially when sex is on the table. But that doesn't mean that every guy posting on threads like that are bull shitting. If you know something about selection bias then you might also notice that those types of threads might elicit responses from men who think a certain way. That doesn't mean they are bull shitting. Even those posts are only a fraction of the men on a site like this.
Its not always as simple as bull shitting or not. Different factors are at play. But, in general, I think women can see bull shitting pretty easily, just as they can see shit-stirring pretty easily. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, I treat everything on here as someone saying what they think I want to hear.
People I've met from here face to face however are completely different, and I tend to take more notice of things they say. "
 I always have a social first for this reason.
In answer to the OP, people will say anything to get a fuck. |
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"I have been aware of the flattery/agreement/psychophant method of getting sex since I was about 18 and am more not less cynical now. I believe I am able via the use of my finely honed bullshitometer to tell genuinely held views from those just expressed to curry favour.
I see no problem with flattery. Compliments seen a reasonable starting point in a quest to sleep with someone, but I find creating a whole false identity whereby you pretend to a charitable humanitarian, passionate about the empowerment of women to be incredibly slippery."
False flattery, I should have qualified.
Creating a false identity is slippery but don't underestimate women's ability to sort the sheep from the goats, some men genuinely hold those views. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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flattery on here is one thing...means very little on here..but i actually see a minority on the forums who are particularly supportive , and have egalitarian views on women, and they are not really ones who need to get women into bed with a load of old flannel. They tend to be the more intelligent, articulate ones...it may be a shock for you but there are a significant proportion of men who don't view women as 2nd class citizens that deserve to be looked down on and despised. We all tend to have friends that think in a similar way to us, which is maybe why you don't seem to come across men like this in real life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"flattery on here is one thing...means very little on here..but i actually see a minority on the forums who are particularly supportive , and have egalitarian views on women, and they are not really ones who need to get women into bed with a load of old flannel. They tend to be the more intelligent, articulate ones...it may be a shock for you but there are a significant proportion of men who don't view women as 2nd class citizens that deserve to be looked down on and despised. We all tend to have friends that think in a similar way to us, which is maybe why you don't seem to come across men like this in real life."
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You can usually distinguish the sincere ones easily enough by thier language and how the pen a decent message but at the end of the day 90% I reckon here are only after the one thing. I get a good feel for people here in the forum as we chat about everything and we aren’t necessarily trying to get into one another’s pants unlike general messages sent |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've mixed with brick layers and hedge funders, bartenders and doctors and I've only ever met one guy who genuinely gave a shit about feminism, charity, etc and he was a student, in to the whole left-wing, anti-establishment thing as a package... and even he would have drawn the line at seeing a female stranger with false feeders and claiming his initial thought was her happiness.
Hey, it just seems weird to me that these views that are typically known to be what women want to hear, appear to be disproportionately held by single men on a swinging site. Perhaps cynical old me is getting 5 from 2 + 2 and it's a huge coincidence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd be inclined to agree that a great deal of men are very insincere in their praise, especially if it means getting laid. All that said, I really would call myself a feminist (male typing) not necessarily because of altruistic reasons, but because very good arguments for equality and feminism were presented in a way I, as a thick skinned male, could understand.
I've been shot down from my soapbox many times so I use a different approach now, provide the water, the horse will eventually drink it when it can realise water is good. A little simplistic maybe, but I'm a firm believer in unconscious installation, provide the nugget, not the sledgehammer.
As for body types, if I find someone attractive, alluring and someone I desire then fuller figures are of no consequence, small or large breasts neither. In fact I'd say I prefer larger breasts to smaller, however the most alluring and beautiful woman I ever saw was also the most flat chested, she was no less desirable because of it.
I'm not desperate for sex, I'm nothing to shout about, but I've never been short of sex, or had to lie in order to get it. In fact quite the opposite, my honest lustful intentions have usually been received quite well  |
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"I've mixed with brick layers and hedge funders, bartenders and doctors and I've only ever met one guy who genuinely gave a shit about feminism, charity, etc and he was a student, in to the whole left-wing, anti-establishment thing as a package... and even he would have drawn the line at seeing a female stranger with false feeders and claiming his initial thought was her happiness.
Hey, it just seems weird to me that these views that are typically known to be what women want to hear, appear to be disproportionately held by single men on a swinging site. Perhaps cynical old me is getting 5 from 2 + 2 and it's a huge coincidence."
I am a male lefty aged fifty one who genuinely does think the stereotypical male attitude to women is cringe worthy and awful. ( cf the presidents club thing). I know lots of other men outside swinging who think like that. As others have said we all tend to hang around with people who think like us. The fact that someone has a high or low status job is no predictor of their attitude to women.
On the other hand, I can't be doing with nonsense like saying that personality is the most important thing on a casual sex site. I would agree that lots of men saying that are saying it because they think it's what women want to hear. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"flattery on here is one thing...means very little on here..but i actually see a minority on the forums who are particularly supportive , and have egalitarian views on women, and they are not really ones who need to get women into bed with a load of old flannel. They tend to be the more intelligent, articulate ones...it may be a shock for you but there are a significant proportion of men who don't view women as 2nd class citizens that deserve to be looked down on and despised. We all tend to have friends that think in a similar way to us, which is maybe why you don't seem to come across men like this in real life."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is a question for the women on the forums - Do you have the ability to identify what is sincere and what is most likely bull*hit?
As I type this, there are responses to a thread on the subject of fake tits, along the lines of "I honestly don't mind either way, my only concern is the woman's happiness", a thread randomly stating that ALL womens' bodies are beautiful, regardless of size, etc and another in which men are falling over eachother to make it known to the women on here that they are male feminists and that they see women making sexual assault allegations as "heroes" (regardless of whether the truth is known)
Knowing quite a lot of men and being one myself, I know for a fact that the vast majority of men do not think this way, so don't you find it odd that all the single men who do, happen to be on here?
So do the women on here believe that the tiny minority of men who are passionate about female equality, care more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks and believe that women of any age/size are beautiful, as long as they have a good personality - all happen to be single and completely disproportionately represented on this website, or do you think that it may be more likely that it is completely insincere and an act, designed to get you receptive to contact, so they can eventually f*ck you?"
I feel quite sorry for you... You obviously have issues with women in general and use the threads you post to try and instigate the denigration of women in general to alleviate those issues.
As an average ordinary normally balanced man I wouldnt say I was 'passionate'about female equality but I do believe that they are equal and should be treated as such. So yes I care about equality
As a human being yes I do care about others and if I see anyone...male or female being bullied because of the way they look then yes I do stand up and say something...if that translates in your terms to caring more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks then yes I do.
I also believe that every human being is beautiful in their own way. So yes any woman regardless of being old/young, fat/slim, pretty/plain or any combination thereof has her own beauty regardless.So again yes I do believe all women are beautiful.
As regarding personality again everyone has good and bad points we are all of us human. But, a nice personality and a good heart lasts longer and means much more than how someone looks. As I was once told: The bottle doesnt make any difference as to how nice the contents of the bottle taste.
So yet again yes I do think personality is more important than looks.
Yes I am here to meet women and yes I hope it may proceed to more intimate things but its still a 2 way street we both have to like each other enough to want to get to that point.
Yes, as a man I well aware I am in all probability in a ratio of 1:20 or more to the women on here. That does not mean I am prepared to lose my integrity by lying about any of the above.
The fact you seem to think ALL men are prepared to lie and cheat to obtain their desires says more about you than anything else.
Of course I am not so naive to think that some men and probably quite a few are the way you describe and from your comments of knowing a lot of men think the way you do then I can only subscribe to the fact that you must be one of them.
Please DO NOT ascribe your feelings towards women to all of us men in general and myself in particular as I find such to be both abhorrent and demeaning.
I am not like you and what is more I have no wish to be so. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This is a question for the women on the forums - Do you have the ability to identify what is sincere and what is most likely bull*hit?
As I type this, there are responses to a thread on the subject of fake tits, along the lines of "I honestly don't mind either way, my only concern is the woman's happiness", a thread randomly stating that ALL womens' bodies are beautiful, regardless of size, etc and another in which men are falling over eachother to make it known to the women on here that they are male feminists and that they see women making sexual assault allegations as "heroes" (regardless of whether the truth is known)
Knowing quite a lot of men and being one myself, I know for a fact that the vast majority of men do not think this way, so don't you find it odd that all the single men who do, happen to be on here?
So do the women on here believe that the tiny minority of men who are passionate about female equality, care more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks and believe that women of any age/size are beautiful, as long as they have a good personality - all happen to be single and completely disproportionately represented on this website, or do you think that it may be more likely that it is completely insincere and an act, designed to get you receptive to contact, so they can eventually f*ck you?
I feel quite sorry for you... You obviously have issues with women in general and use the threads you post to try and instigate the denigration of women in general to alleviate those issues.
As an average ordinary normally balanced man I wouldnt say I was 'passionate'about female equality but I do believe that they are equal and should be treated as such. So yes I care about equality
As a human being yes I do care about others and if I see anyone...male or female being bullied because of the way they look then yes I do stand up and say something...if that translates in your terms to caring more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks then yes I do.
I also believe that every human being is beautiful in their own way. So yes any woman regardless of being old/young, fat/slim, pretty/plain or any combination thereof has her own beauty regardless.So again yes I do believe all women are beautiful.
As regarding personality again everyone has good and bad points we are all of us human. But, a nice personality and a good heart lasts longer and means much more than how someone looks. As I was once told: The bottle doesnt make any difference as to how nice the contents of the bottle taste.
So yet again yes I do think personality is more important than looks.
Yes I am here to meet women and yes I hope it may proceed to more intimate things but its still a 2 way street we both have to like each other enough to want to get to that point.
Yes, as a man I well aware I am in all probability in a ratio of 1:20 or more to the women on here. That does not mean I am prepared to lose my integrity by lying about any of the above.
The fact you seem to think ALL men are prepared to lie and cheat to obtain their desires says more about you than anything else.
Of course I am not so naive to think that some men and probably quite a few are the way you describe and from your comments of knowing a lot of men think the way you do then I can only subscribe to the fact that you must be one of them.
Please DO NOT ascribe your feelings towards women to all of us men in general and myself in particular as I find such to be both abhorrent and demeaning.
I am not like you and what is more I have no wish to be so."
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"This is a question for the women on the forums - Do you have the ability to identify what is sincere and what is most likely bull*hit?
As I type this, there are responses to a thread on the subject of fake tits, along the lines of "I honestly don't mind either way, my only concern is the woman's happiness", a thread randomly stating that ALL womens' bodies are beautiful, regardless of size, etc and another in which men are falling over eachother to make it known to the women on here that they are male feminists and that they see women making sexual assault allegations as "heroes" (regardless of whether the truth is known)
Knowing quite a lot of men and being one myself, I know for a fact that the vast majority of men do not think this way, so don't you find it odd that all the single men who do, happen to be on here?
So do the women on here believe that the tiny minority of men who are passionate about female equality, care more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks and believe that women of any age/size are beautiful, as long as they have a good personality - all happen to be single and completely disproportionately represented on this website, or do you think that it may be more likely that it is completely insincere and an act, designed to get you receptive to contact, so they can eventually f*ck you?
I feel quite sorry for you... You obviously have issues with women in general and use the threads you post to try and instigate the denigration of women in general to alleviate those issues.
As an average ordinary normally balanced man I wouldnt say I was 'passionate'about female equality but I do believe that they are equal and should be treated as such. So yes I care about equality
As a human being yes I do care about others and if I see anyone...male or female being bullied because of the way they look then yes I do stand up and say something...if that translates in your terms to caring more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks then yes I do.
I also believe that every human being is beautiful in their own way. So yes any woman regardless of being old/young, fat/slim, pretty/plain or any combination thereof has her own beauty regardless.So again yes I do believe all women are beautiful.
As regarding personality again everyone has good and bad points we are all of us human. But, a nice personality and a good heart lasts longer and means much more than how someone looks. As I was once told: The bottle doesnt make any difference as to how nice the contents of the bottle taste.
So yet again yes I do think personality is more important than looks.
Yes I am here to meet women and yes I hope it may proceed to more intimate things but its still a 2 way street we both have to like each other enough to want to get to that point.
Yes, as a man I well aware I am in all probability in a ratio of 1:20 or more to the women on here. That does not mean I am prepared to lose my integrity by lying about any of the above.
The fact you seem to think ALL men are prepared to lie and cheat to obtain their desires says more about you than anything else.
Of course I am not so naive to think that some men and probably quite a few are the way you describe and from your comments of knowing a lot of men think the way you do then I can only subscribe to the fact that you must be one of them.
Please DO NOT ascribe your feelings towards women to all of us men in general and myself in particular as I find such to be both abhorrent and demeaning.
I am not like you and what is more I have no wish to be so.
lol"
Love the fact that the best and only response the OP can come up with to this is:
lol
Can't come back with an adequate response other than this, says it all really doesn't it. |
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"This is a question for the women on the forums - Do you have the ability to identify what is sincere and what is most likely bull*hit?
As I type this, there are responses to a thread on the subject of fake tits, along the lines of "I honestly don't mind either way, my only concern is the woman's happiness", a thread randomly stating that ALL womens' bodies are beautiful, regardless of size, etc and another in which men are falling over eachother to make it known to the women on here that they are male feminists and that they see women making sexual assault allegations as "heroes" (regardless of whether the truth is known)
Knowing quite a lot of men and being one myself, I know for a fact that the vast majority of men do not think this way, so don't you find it odd that all the single men who do, happen to be on here?
So do the women on here believe that the tiny minority of men who are passionate about female equality, care more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks and believe that women of any age/size are beautiful, as long as they have a good personality - all happen to be single and completely disproportionately represented on this website, or do you think that it may be more likely that it is completely insincere and an act, designed to get you receptive to contact, so they can eventually f*ck you?
I feel quite sorry for you... You obviously have issues with women in general and use the threads you post to try and instigate the denigration of women in general to alleviate those issues.
As an average ordinary normally balanced man I wouldnt say I was 'passionate'about female equality but I do believe that they are equal and should be treated as such. So yes I care about equality
As a human being yes I do care about others and if I see anyone...male or female being bullied because of the way they look then yes I do stand up and say something...if that translates in your terms to caring more about a female stranger's happiness than her looks then yes I do.
I also believe that every human being is beautiful in their own way. So yes any woman regardless of being old/young, fat/slim, pretty/plain or any combination thereof has her own beauty regardless.So again yes I do believe all women are beautiful.
As regarding personality again everyone has good and bad points we are all of us human. But, a nice personality and a good heart lasts longer and means much more than how someone looks. As I was once told: The bottle doesnt make any difference as to how nice the contents of the bottle taste.
So yet again yes I do think personality is more important than looks.
Yes I am here to meet women and yes I hope it may proceed to more intimate things but its still a 2 way street we both have to like each other enough to want to get to that point.
Yes, as a man I well aware I am in all probability in a ratio of 1:20 or more to the women on here. That does not mean I am prepared to lose my integrity by lying about any of the above.
The fact you seem to think ALL men are prepared to lie and cheat to obtain their desires says more about you than anything else.
Of course I am not so naive to think that some men and probably quite a few are the way you describe and from your comments of knowing a lot of men think the way you do then I can only subscribe to the fact that you must be one of them.
Please DO NOT ascribe your feelings towards women to all of us men in general and myself in particular as I find such to be both abhorrent and demeaning.
I am not like you and what is more I have no wish to be so."
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By *ollyGWoman
over a year ago
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"No, I treat everything on here as someone saying what they think I want to hear.
People I've met from here face to face however are completely different, and I tend to take more notice of things they say.
I always have a social first for this reason.
In answer to the OP, people will say anything to get a fuck. "
They will, I hear BS daily lol |
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