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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " me to I'm not a fan of labels and actually knew a woman who described herself as this it lasted a month at best ![]() | |||
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"A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all." It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() | |||
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"just move on to the next profile that might interest you " that's clearly what people do! I'm sure they don't need you butting in telling them what to do, people are entitled to discuss their likes and dislikes in the forums! | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. " What would you have him do though? | |||
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"I'm owned and proud ![]() Good for you girl. Long may it continue for as long as you need it. It's not something I'm into personally but I do understand it, guess I'm open minded? ![]() | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. " I find it pretty sexy as well ![]() | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. What would you have him do though? " Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. " interesting | |||
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" Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. " Sounds like a great gig. Apart from the Emmerdale bit ![]() | |||
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"I know there are some who use the word "owned" to keep away the wanna be doms. Now collared....." Surely that's just counter productive? Insinuating you're owned/collared would hint that you enjoy it and want to be. This making you an attractive 'target' for someone? Or am I just reading way to far into it? | |||
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"I know there are some who use the word "owned" to keep away the wanna be doms. Now collared..... Surely that's just counter productive? Insinuating you're owned/collared would hint that you enjoy it and want to be. This making you an attractive 'target' for someone? Or am I just reading way to far into it? " It sucks, but sexist men who try to wear down uninterested women are more likely to back off if they think they'll anger another man in the process. | |||
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"I know there are some who use the word "owned" to keep away the wanna be doms. Now collared..... Surely that's just counter productive? Insinuating you're owned/collared would hint that you enjoy it and want to be. This making you an attractive 'target' for someone? Or am I just reading way to far into it? It sucks, but sexist men who try to wear down uninterested women are more likely to back off if they think they'll anger another man in the process." You think? I'm not sure I agree totally. A lot of men wouldn't give two shits of someone is owned, collared, married etc when they have the horn, I don't see it making much of any difference? But I've never experienced it first hand so what do I know? | |||
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"Turn off as our couples where he can have full sex but she only soft until he says hes ready & ok with it, especially when she wants to - selfish - Fi xx " You may have seen some couples like this but please don’t assume all couples like us play that way ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " Count agree more ![]() | |||
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"Turn off as our couples where he can have full sex but she only soft until he says hes ready & ok with it, especially when she wants to - selfish - Fi xx You may have seen some couples like this but please don’t assume all couples like us play that way ![]() We met above described couple in club fortunately not all like that ![]() | |||
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"I know there are some who use the word "owned" to keep away the wanna be doms. Now collared..... Surely that's just counter productive? Insinuating you're owned/collared would hint that you enjoy it and want to be. This making you an attractive 'target' for someone? Or am I just reading way to far into it? It sucks, but sexist men who try to wear down uninterested women are more likely to back off if they think they'll anger another man in the process." What!? Show me a guy that could successfully wear down an uninterested woman. I'm nice to look at right and I've got nice boobs and a wicked fanny, I'm uninterested in A LOT of guys that are interested in me, I'd never be worn down, nor would I ever need the assistance of another dude for someone to back off. It's quite an insulting statement to make, we aren't delicate little flowers you know. | |||
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"Oh dear, the usual froth appears when discussing a kink dynamic. Yes, it does exist and is a serious part of people's relationship. Yes there are abusers and unfaithful people but that happens in any form of relationship. There are many who take the dynamic seriously and incorporate into their lives. I was recently on a workshop about incorporating protocol into your daily relationship. I have seen as many couples with issues in the swinging world than the couples at the workshop and in kink generally. Remembering that many in vanilla society think that people who swing have issues. The people who criticise it, if they have not looked into it are merely stating a prejudice without knowledge or evidence, which is unfortunately the order of the day with kink. Personally I recognise and I have no issues with such relationships. However, as you can see from my profile I do not play with women who have a dominant. Firstly I believe the D/S relationship is special and should be respected. Secondly because I identify as a dom I refuse on principle to seek the implicit or overt consent of another dom. However,because I respect the D/S dynamic I would never go behind another dom to try to break the trust implicit in that relationship. Playing with someone in bad faith is just not that important to me. The only exception to playing with a women with a dom is if invited to double dom as an equal by a more experienced dom, which I find a great experience. " That’s a great respect and understanding ![]() | |||
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"Oh dear, the usual froth appears when discussing a kink dynamic. Yes, it does exist and is a serious part of people's relationship. Yes there are abusers and unfaithful people but that happens in any form of relationship. There are many who take the dynamic seriously and incorporate into their lives. I was recently on a workshop about incorporating protocol into your daily relationship. I have seen as many couples with issues in the swinging world than the couples at the workshop and in kink generally. Remembering that many in vanilla society think that people who swing have issues. The people who criticise it, if they have not looked into it are merely stating a prejudice without knowledge or evidence, which is unfortunately the order of the day with kink. Personally I recognise and I have no issues with such relationships. However, as you can see from my profile I do not play with women who have a dominant. Firstly I believe the D/S relationship is special and should be respected. Secondly because I identify as a dom I refuse on principle to seek the implicit or overt consent of another dom. However,because I respect the D/S dynamic I would never go behind another dom to try to break the trust implicit in that relationship. Playing with someone in bad faith is just not that important to me. The only exception to playing with a women with a dom is if invited to double dom as an equal by a more experienced dom, which I find a great experience. " ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. " That doesn't sound particularly awful... I could probably "put up" with that! (as long as I don't have to watch Emmerdale as well) ![]() | |||
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"I have no problem with those who choose to be owners or be owned,that's what they enjoy However it's not for me,I'm too independent,I do get asked frequently ![]() ![]() It’s nothing to do with independence, I can assure you I’m totally in control of all aspects of my life and I wouldn’t have it any other way. We are a team, a normal fun loving couple. Sir wouldn’t want a meek little wallflower and I suppose it’s because I am so independent that I like to play sub sometimes. There appear to be a lot of assumptions and mis understanding as well as the odd bit of vitriol thrown in. So that’s fine, if people don’t want to give us the time of day on this alone then it’s a pretty dam good filter for us too. | |||
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" What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. " So I could 'own' a guy and get back tickles whenever I wanted? Hmmmmm..sounds fantastic. Wonder if I could get that with my body not yours tho? I'd throw in the cock sucking to sweeten the deal, and chest nuzzling.. | |||
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" What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. So I could 'own' a guy and get back tickles whenever I wanted? Hmmmmm..sounds fantastic. Wonder if I could get that with my body not yours tho? I'd throw in the cock sucking to sweeten the deal, and chest nuzzling.." No problem, however I cross the line at watching Emmerdale ![]() | |||
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" What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. So I could 'own' a guy and get back tickles whenever I wanted? Hmmmmm..sounds fantastic. Wonder if I could get that with my body not yours tho? I'd throw in the cock sucking to sweeten the deal, and chest nuzzling.. No problem, however I cross the line at watching Emmerdale ![]() Sorry nick I never realised you already beat me to it, great minds think alike ![]() | |||
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"It’s one of those “instant no’s” for me. I wince at all those words (sir, daddy, owned) but that’s because it’s not my chink of kink .... Each to their own. But it does turn me off instantly. V x " I have no problem with that because you communicated in a non offensive way. However the word pathetic used in the OP is completely uncalled for. If you don’t understand the dynamic, you name call people you don’t know? I got a message not so long back from a couple who were fairly new to Fab. Never spoken to them, never even saw their profile till they messaged to tell me how pathetic they thought I was for being owned. Interesting I thought ![]() | |||
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"I have no problem with those who choose to be owners or be owned,that's what they enjoy However it's not for me,I'm too independent,I do get asked frequently ![]() ![]() I think your assuming here,I've mentioned it's not for me,I know plenty of d/s couples in the scene,I know quite abit about the lifestyle I'm meaning I'm independent in life and play,I just don't want to be owned and have no problem with those that do ![]() | |||
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"A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all. It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() The question was "is owning a turn off". Apologies for rattling your cage because I answered it by saying I'm turned off by it - but I have neither judged nor belittled. | |||
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"I have no problem with those who choose to be owners or be owned,that's what they enjoy However it's not for me,I'm too independent,I do get asked frequently ![]() ![]() ![]() I wasn’t having a go at you. Just picking up on the Independent comment as another independent woman x | |||
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"It’s one of those “instant no’s” for me. I wince at all those words (sir, daddy, owned) but that’s because it’s not my chink of kink .... Each to their own. But it does turn me off instantly. V x I have no problem with that because you communicated in a non offensive way. However the word pathetic used in the OP is completely uncalled for. If you don’t understand the dynamic, you name call people you don’t know? I got a message not so long back from a couple who were fairly new to Fab. Never spoken to them, never even saw their profile till they messaged to tell me how pathetic they thought I was for being owned. Interesting I thought ![]() It does make me cross that people who have no understanding or desire in a particular thing instantly stoop to ridicule or insult. I do hope I’m never accused of that. I know what I like. You know what you like. We probably share some interests even. If a guy suggests to be he is owned or wants to be then I’m outta there quicker than you can say “bend over” but someone else would simply adore that. One thing we can all do is be respectful of each other’s kinks. And if we can’t do that then just shut the fuck up. Giggle. V x | |||
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"yeah big turn off for me to there is an other one too when you chat a female for weeks then when you decide to meet up her the fella comes out of nowhere she said hey can my fella or my fuck buddy watch us while we fuck this happened to me 4 times n I blocked every one of the " Report as a couple if you discover single women don't meet alone. | |||
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"yeah big turn off for me to there is an other one too when you chat a female for weeks then when you decide to meet up her the fella comes out of nowhere she said hey can my fella or my fuck buddy watch us while we fuck this happened to me 4 times n I blocked every one of the " Not really on. They should have been straight from the start. | |||
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"A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all. It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() | |||
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"There are so many layers to the fet world - and for some people, that’s how their dynamic is. Many people who identify as ‘owned’ are in poly relationships & live the life 24/7. If you don’t have that mindset, it’s hard to understand- my partner & I have a D/s relationship within our sex life but not outside of it; and even then, I’m more of a brat than a sub. The fet community at Townhouse is very varied & while there are some practices that I don’t see any pleasure in, it’s a case of ‘each to their own’. That said, most of them are on a well known fetish site & not on Fab and a lot of Doms / Dommes / Masters / Mistresses wouldn’t dream of incorporating sex into fet play!! We’re all different & that’s a good thing. If something isn’t for you, that’s fine - but it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it!! " So I’m not going to get my Fab licence revoked after all. ![]() | |||
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"I know there are some who use the word "owned" to keep away the wanna be doms. " This And to all those saying "I'd never contact a bloke for permission" well guess what? Their filter is working ![]() | |||
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"Sorry to be a pain but can anyone mail me the site name that rhymes with pet and strife please can’t work it out doh Thanks x A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all. It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() Unfortunately fab blocks anyone quoting other web sites in personal mail and the email is blocked. But if you think along the lines of an interest in fetish and as a lifestyle using the previous hint, you will work it out. | |||
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"Sorry to be a pain but can anyone mail me the site name that rhymes with pet and strife please can’t work it out doh Thanks x" FETish LIFEstyle Sounds like Pet Wife | |||
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"There are so many layers to the fet world - and for some people, that’s how their dynamic is. Many people who identify as ‘owned’ are in poly relationships & live the life 24/7. If you don’t have that mindset, it’s hard to understand- my partner & I have a D/s relationship within our sex life but not outside of it; and even then, I’m more of a brat than a sub. The fet community at Townhouse is very varied & while there are some practices that I don’t see any pleasure in, it’s a case of ‘each to their own’. That said, most of them are on a well known fetish site & not on Fab and a lot of Doms / Dommes / Masters / Mistresses wouldn’t dream of incorporating sex into fet play!! We’re all different & that’s a good thing. If something isn’t for you, that’s fine - but it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it!! So I’m not going to get my Fab licence revoked after all. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " i agree 100% no man would ever own me. | |||
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"..another we don't get is the 'daddy' thing ![]() Dont knock it , was more then happy to be called daddy by a mid 20's couple i used to meet before they moved away. Billy | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. " Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"There are so many layers to the fet world - and for some people, that’s how their dynamic is. Many people who identify as ‘owned’ are in poly relationships & live the life 24/7. If you don’t have that mindset, it’s hard to understand- my partner & I have a D/s relationship within our sex life but not outside of it; and even then, I’m more of a brat than a sub. The fet community at Townhouse is very varied & while there are some practices that I don’t see any pleasure in, it’s a case of ‘each to their own’. That said, most of them are on a well known fetish site & not on Fab and a lot of Doms / Dommes / Masters / Mistresses wouldn’t dream of incorporating sex into fet play!! We’re all different & that’s a good thing. If something isn’t for you, that’s fine - but it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it!! So I’m not going to get my Fab licence revoked after all. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh well thank you very much ![]() | |||
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"It sounds quite interesting, I quite like the idea of calling someone master and I like doing things for people. Would be nice if I was with a guy and he ordered me to drop to me knees to suck his dick or pull my knickers down and bend over in front of him or take him to the toilet and hold his willy for him to pee. I love all that but then the other side of me wouldn't take instructions unless I enjoyed doing the things I'm being instructed to do! " Well, you start to see the intimacy of the sub / dom / domme relationship. One of the arts of a successful scenario is for the dom/domme to ‘make’ the sub do things they both know the sub wants to do, while making the sub feel they are being ‘made’ to do those things and instructing them to do those things in a way that excites them. And then to help the sub do things they may not know they want to do, but enjoy finding out they enjoy being made to do them This is where boundaries are explored. This kind of pleasure is difficult to achieve without a great deal of respect, trust and understanding on both sides. | |||
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"Once again it becomes apparant that there should be a separate fetish room. However despite a decent amount of support for the idea the last attempt failed." Agree with this, there is a post about this awhile ago, could be moderated (by people who have some idea)ike the political forum. | |||
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"Turn off I have blocked men who have said owned by blah blah blah .women who do it look silly when the man moves on and the women gets dumped .Hardly any man can keep dick in pants too be owned by one owner ![]() exactly they own the woman and still carry on meeting every woman that will have them but restricting who the woman can see ![]() | |||
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"Turn off I have blocked men who have said owned by blah blah blah .women who do it look silly when the man moves on and the women gets dumped .Hardly any man can keep dick in pants too be owned by one owner ![]() ![]() Please, with respect, according to who? | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() Apparently so! Who knew Swingers could be so closed minded & judgemental?! ![]() | |||
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"Turn off I have blocked men who have said owned by blah blah blah .women who do it look silly when the man moves on and the women gets dumped .Hardly any man can keep dick in pants too be owned by one owner ![]() ![]() the couple I knew who did this | |||
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"Turn off I have blocked men who have said owned by blah blah blah .women who do it look silly when the man moves on and the women gets dumped .Hardly any man can keep dick in pants too be owned by one owner ![]() ![]() I can only speak for myself though experience, I have played this, enjoyed it, had tremendous fun with it, first hand. However, I will doff my cap to hearsay and just say thank goodness Stepford wives isn’t true... Or should that be Stepford fab people aren’t.... ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() if you're owned you don't get a say surely? ![]() | |||
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"Once again it becomes apparant that there should be a separate fetish room. However despite a decent amount of support for the idea the last attempt failed." A shame. Suzy really did try... I for one am still for this ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Sorry, who says so? | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I'm saying ' surely ' | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Absolutely! What a load of spiffle.... Clearly this thread is going be vanilla's who have no idea Vs people in the lifestyle and know exactly how their dynamic works .....you say potato... ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Once again it becomes apparant that there should be a separate fetish room. However despite a decent amount of support for the idea the last attempt failed. A shame. Suzy really did try... I for one am still for this ![]() Same with a room for those looking for ‘serious ‘ swinging or polyamorous relationships. No matter how big the demand - reasonable suggestions are overlooked! ![]() | |||
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"Once again it becomes apparant that there should be a separate fetish room. However despite a decent amount of support for the idea the last attempt failed. A shame. Suzy really did try... I for one am still for this ![]() I’m sure someone who is open to developing this site can see the positives. The American site is ungainly, in my opinion, that is something that could be capitalised on. My problem would be, if I know nothing about it... would I risk it, no I’d research it with someone who does. | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " To me personally it's a load of bollix I've met women had some fun and then a while later you see them say they are owned and cannot do anything without permission,I've had them contact me after this asking me to ask their owners permission to play and it's a total FUCK THAT SHIT from me. | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. To me personally it's a load of bollix I've met women had some fun and then a while later you see them say they are owned and cannot do anything without permission,I've had them contact me after this asking me to ask their owners permission to play and it's a total FUCK THAT SHIT from me." Other people’s choice is Shit? | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I say tomato and what the hell is vanilla in my book its a flavour in yours its a label ,we all have an opinion and we can't all agree with the other person ,even people who seriously follow the philosophy of dom/sub ,master/owned don't have the same criteria as each other and the example I gave was based on a couple I know who were serious about that lifestyle ![]() | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I did move on, you're the one who's trying to make a fuss. All I said is, it's not for me, and gave a reason why. | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. To me personally it's a load of bollix I've met women had some fun and then a while later you see them say they are owned and cannot do anything without permission,I've had them contact me after this asking me to ask their owners permission to play and it's a total FUCK THAT SHIT from me. Other people’s choice is Shit?" when THEY contact ME wanting to play but then ask ME to ask someone elses permission to play then yes their choice is shit in my opinion and they can go play with the traffic for all I care. | |||
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"It sounds quite interesting, I quite like the idea of calling someone master and I like doing things for people. Would be nice if I was with a guy and he ordered me to drop to me knees to suck his dick or pull my knickers down and bend over in front of him or take him to the toilet and hold his willy for him to pee. I love all that but then the other side of me wouldn't take instructions unless I enjoyed doing the things I'm being instructed to do! Well, you start to see the intimacy of the sub / dom / domme relationship. One of the arts of a successful scenario is for the dom/domme to ‘make’ the sub do things they both know the sub wants to do, while making the sub feel they are being ‘made’ to do those things and instructing them to do those things in a way that excites them. And then to help the sub do things they may not know they want to do, but enjoy finding out they enjoy being made to do them This is where boundaries are explored. This kind of pleasure is difficult to achieve without a great deal of respect, trust and understanding on both sides." Ohhhhh yes, this for me most definitely. | |||
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"This dynamic is a bit confusing for me if I am honest. The Dom owning a sub seems to be contrived in my view and it seems to be an means to an end. The dynamic was explained to me and the example given was that the lady’s Dom protected her in group situations. I call that being sensible and even chivalrous! Contrived nonsense?" Not at all, that protection hopefully, for most, a human trait. Gurdjeiff talks in one of his books about intelligence. He says there are drivers in humanity. The intellect, the emotional, the physical. If any become dominant to any of the others, there will be a unhealthy response. Example: if you are in your head, geek it can be to the detriment to your health, you can become physically weak through no exercise, behind a computer you gather no social skills to for emotional relationship. If you are in love, fuck rational intelligent thought, Miss food, don’t look after your body. Or you are at the top of your game physically, you can’t see why no one would want you emotionally, to a point where rational thought disappears, look at footballers. Being in a D/s relationship brings a balance to this. An old friend once said, it has to be holistic and intelligent. Not always a concept everyone understands. Then again, I’ve experienced it, both being balanced... and not Now piss play... that is so over my head, I wouldn’t even know where to start to comment on it... ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No that’s not right for our situation at least. I the Fem spend most the time on this site and mostly because I like the forums. But during that time I receive messages which i vet and respond to and only alert FT ( I’m now changing Sir to a more personal FT) if I feel that someone has potential. Hey I’m new relatively new (1 1/2 years) to being a sub etc so I’m certainly not going to say I’m an expert, I’m talking for myself and my experience. FT has been into this 30+ years. Control is only in his hands when I want it to be..... | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You just want a pa don't you ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() well for some having your say isn't the way ,so I'm told ![]() | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " indeed. Your belief in your right to use such judgemental language is pretty repellent. | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. To me personally it's a load of bollix I've met women had some fun and then a while later you see them say they are owned and cannot do anything without permission,I've had them contact me after this asking me to ask their owners permission to play and it's a total FUCK THAT SHIT from me. Other people’s choice is Shit? when THEY contact ME wanting to play but then ask ME to ask someone elses permission to play then yes their choice is shit in my opinion and they can go play with the traffic for all I care." That's obviously just part of their dynamic though and how they play . I would class it as role play rather than something to be horrified about | |||
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"just move on to the next profile that might interest you that's clearly what people do! I'm sure they don't need you butting in telling them what to do, people are entitled to discuss their likes and dislikes in the forums!" they are but why do they have to use pejorative language and childish references to other people's mental health? | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. indeed. Your belief in your right to use such judgemental language is pretty repellent.is it a judgement or an opinion " Clearly a judgement.....Fab has more than it's fair share of judgemental people....strange for such a liberated(supposedly) bunch as swingers! ![]() | |||
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"Spoke to and known a few single swing fems over the years. For many of the 'I was previously owned' fems the story usually went along the lines of: - Swinging inexperienced single fem landed on scene for no strings swinging. - A male gets talking, gets to know & social & fun meets her. - Beyond first meets and onwards he focuses in on having her soley meet him and him soley her. - Furthermore, whilst things are fun, easy going, she's still on a high & enjoying, he plays the dom card. He tells her she's owned by him. Whilst he still meets others on the QT. - She mentions she wants to meet other males as a single fem at times. - He says she can do so only on his selection & say so. Her meeting others never really occurs. Every male she might potentially meet he puts her off, blags her off them one way or another. - In contrast he occasionally uses her to attract other cpls into a cpls meet. Not the single meeting other males she actually wants. - Things goes pear-shaped, she realises soely just applies to her. She's been manipulated. Realises she's been diverted from what she came swinging for. Realises it's all about him controlling her on the scene but in disguise. - She brings things to an end to refocus on what she came swinging for. - She gets covered in his shit flinging so almost gives up the scene if not gives it up. That is not to say such m-f friendships are all like that but heard things along those lines & variations of quite alot." you do realise the plural of anecdote isn't data don't you? For the record kaz and I do something that resembles TPE but don't use the language of slavery and ownership because of how we feel about the lived experiences of those for whom that is a reality but we don't judge those who do. Not jumping to conclusions about what other people's choices mean to them is pretty much integral to my understanding of the swinging and fetish scene. This thread has been full of people generalising from some pretty sketchy specific examples and inhibits genuine discussion. What's the point in that? | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. To me personally it's a load of bollix I've met women had some fun and then a while later you see them say they are owned and cannot do anything without permission,I've had them contact me after this asking me to ask their owners permission to play and it's a total FUCK THAT SHIT from me. Other people’s choice is Shit? when THEY contact ME wanting to play but then ask ME to ask someone elses permission to play then yes their choice is shit in my opinion and they can go play with the traffic for all I care. That's obviously just part of their dynamic though and how they play . I would class it as role play rather than something to be horrified about" Why bother asking someone to play then make them jump through hoops by getting permission from some bloke you have no intention of ever meeting/talking to let alone ask permission from? | |||
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"We feel kind of owned by each other but not in a sole dom/sub thing. There are sub/dom traits there, and we can be either. Tom loves the control, but then sometimes needs to be controlled. Depends on the situation and what we're feeling at that particular time. We can read each other well and know what is required/needed. It's quite a powerful feeling to admonish control, to do so takes trust built on solidity. It's not what we set it for, it's something that just kind of happened. It feels right for us. I don't necessarily think it's something you can set out looking for, you either find someone and it naturally happens or you don't. " oh c'mon now you're going to confuse them.........my understanding of a sub is they go deeeeeep ![]() | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Totally ![]() | |||
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"A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all. It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() It was your assumption that it is merely a role play scenario....perhaps research into true sub/Dom relationships before assuming things.... | |||
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"A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all. It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() or perhaps most of the sub/dom relationships on here are roleplay unlike on other sites? maybe research the actual numbers before assuming things.... | |||
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"A total turn off for me - but then the whole role play scenario does nothing for me at all. It is not a role play....if you go on the other website which we are not allowed to name here but rhymes with pet and strife lol, then you will see there are many real owned relationships ....so your relationship works for you....let their relationships work for them without judging and belittling ![]() Millions were "owned" in the US before their civil war. They weren't owned voluntarily and emancipation was a blessed relief. No one is born to be owned and to offer oneself voluntarily into ownership is one form of role play that can be abandoned at any time. If it cannot be abandoned it is modern slavery which is against the law in most civilised countries. I reiterate I have neither judged nor belittled anyone, though you seem to be unconcerned about judging and belittling me with your accusation that I need to do some research, presumably because your particular fetish doesn't appeal to me. | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hell yeah! Shall I pm you an application form? ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. To me personally it's a load of bollix I've met women had some fun and then a while later you see them say they are owned and cannot do anything without permission,I've had them contact me after this asking me to ask their owners permission to play and it's a total FUCK THAT SHIT from me. Other people’s choice is Shit? when THEY contact ME wanting to play but then ask ME to ask someone elses permission to play then yes their choice is shit in my opinion and they can go play with the traffic for all I care. That's obviously just part of their dynamic though and how they play . I would class it as role play rather than something to be horrified about Why bother asking someone to play then make them jump through hoops by getting permission from some bloke you have no intention of ever meeting/talking to let alone ask permission from? " Someone may just run with it and want to do that. Don't know until you ask I guess | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. " Hahaha quote of the day, "lick my ares hole while I watch emmerdale" you can own me I hate emmerdale! ?? ?? | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " Hi i wouldn't call it Pathetic... it can be a way for people to play under the protection of others...so the more dom one stays in control of meets etc..and what happens.. we play a similar way. but mrs certainly isn't owned...just submissive... it can be an equal transaction between all concerned. x | |||
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" you do realise the plural of anecdote isn't data don't you? For the record kaz and I do something that resembles TPE but don't use the language of slavery and ownership because of how we feel about the lived experiences of those for whom that is a reality but we don't judge those who do. Not jumping to conclusions about what other people's choices mean to them is pretty much integral to my understanding of the swinging and fetish scene. This thread has been full of people generalising from some pretty sketchy specific examples and inhibits genuine discussion. What's the point in that? " Cheers for the aecedotal education attempts but no thanks. Also I'm not sure what the 'for the record' is about. Not for a moment is this an evidential, contractual or legally binding thing. All in some people should read things on what was typed rather than assume or read into it what isn't. The words we're from opinion after real life experience and nothing more. Not for a moment was my part of the overall pose claimed to be the one & only or all encompassing opinion. Obviously some grey matter assumes anyone voicing opinion from experience means they're judging. From there the grey matter allows itself to blissfully sensationalise & take offence'. ![]() | |||
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" you do realise the plural of anecdote isn't data don't you? For the record kaz and I do something that resembles TPE but don't use the language of slavery and ownership because of how we feel about the lived experiences of those for whom that is a reality but we don't judge those who do. Not jumping to conclusions about what other people's choices mean to them is pretty much integral to my understanding of the swinging and fetish scene. This thread has been full of people generalising from some pretty sketchy specific examples and inhibits genuine discussion. What's the point in that? Cheers for the aecedotal education attempts but no thanks. Also I'm not sure what the 'for the record' is about. Not for a moment is this an evidential, contractual or legally binding thing. All in some people should read things on what was typed rather than assume or read into it what isn't. The words we're from opinion after real life experience and nothing more. Not for a moment was my part of the overall pose claimed to be the one & only or all encompassing opinion. Obviously some grey matter assumes anyone voicing opinion from experience means they're judging. From there the grey matter allows itself to blissfully sensationalise & take offence'. ![]() The for the record bit is explaining our perspective on this - that we do TPE but don't use the language of ownership - I'm not sure if we're the only people who use TPE as an expression in this thread, but I felt it needed explaining. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your response, which I'm sure will convince you that you're very clever. Oh well... | |||
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"Ok so why is it such a turn-off having sex with someone’s submissive? I mean very few guys find it a turn-off having sex with someone’s wife. What difference does it make to the guy who’s doing the fucking what her personal circumstances are. I mean if i made a singles profile and said I had my husband’s approval to have sex without him being there, without wanting to be big-headed, I suspect I would do ok. But if I said I had my masters approval to havecsex without him, all of a sudden I’m less desirable. But how does that difference effect the guy I’m having uncomplicated nsa sex with? Mrs" In my mind I read OP's original post in a fetish sense and not meaning just sex but doing a scene. I would suggest that the role of master and the role of husband, although overlapping are two separate roles that bring with them a different relationship with the sub/slave/wife. The sub/ slave relationship with the master is based on submission and ownership. The relationship of husband and wife is two consenting adults setting out how their relationship will work. Therefore to seek the consent of a master for a scene or sex is to submit myself to the master. Something I refuse to do. I approach a scene with a sub as an equal and not as a co-submissive which I would be if I sought the master's approval. Obviously this would not apply for a Roissy style event. The wife seeking her husband's approval is based as stated above on two consenting adults agreeing how they swing. A completely different dynmic. | |||
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"Ok so why is it such a turn-off having sex with someone’s submissive? I mean very few guys find it a turn-off having sex with someone’s wife. What difference does it make to the guy who’s doing the fucking what her personal circumstances are. I mean if i made a singles profile and said I had my husband’s approval to have sex without him being there, without wanting to be big-headed, I suspect I would do ok. But if I said I had my masters approval to havecsex without him, all of a sudden I’m less desirable. But how does that difference effect the guy I’m having uncomplicated nsa sex with? Mrs In my mind I read OP's original post in a fetish sense and not meaning just sex but doing a scene. I would suggest that the role of master and the role of husband, although overlapping are two separate roles that bring with them a different relationship with the sub/slave/wife. The sub/ slave relationship with the master is based on submission and ownership. The relationship of husband and wife is two consenting adults setting out how their relationship will work. Therefore to seek the consent of a master for a scene or sex is to submit myself to the master. Something I refuse to do. I approach a scene with a sub as an equal and not as a co-submissive which I would be if I sought the master's approval. Obviously this would not apply for a Roissy style event. The wife seeking her husband's approval is based as stated above on two consenting adults agreeing how they swing. A completely different dynmic. " They are indeed a different dynamic - or certainly can be. But how does that different dynamic effect the single guy, and how does it effect him in such a way that it is such a turn off? | |||
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"Ok so why is it such a turn-off having sex with someone’s submissive? I mean very few guys find it a turn-off having sex with someone’s wife. What difference does it make to the guy who’s doing the fucking what her personal circumstances are. I mean if i made a singles profile and said I had my husband’s approval to have sex without him being there, without wanting to be big-headed, I suspect I would do ok. But if I said I had my masters approval to havecsex without him, all of a sudden I’m less desirable. But how does that difference effect the guy I’m having uncomplicated nsa sex with? Mrs In my mind I read OP's original post in a fetish sense and not meaning just sex but doing a scene. I would suggest that the role of master and the role of husband, although overlapping are two separate roles that bring with them a different relationship with the sub/slave/wife. The sub/ slave relationship with the master is based on submission and ownership. The relationship of husband and wife is two consenting adults setting out how their relationship will work. Therefore to seek the consent of a master for a scene or sex is to submit myself to the master. Something I refuse to do. I approach a scene with a sub as an equal and not as a co-submissive which I would be if I sought the master's approval. Obviously this would not apply for a Roissy style event. The wife seeking her husband's approval is based as stated above on two consenting adults agreeing how they swing. A completely different dynmic. They are indeed a different dynamic - or certainly can be. But how does that different dynamic effect the single guy, and how does it effect him in such a way that it is such a turn off? " it turns me off to but it doesn't make me angry I just don't enjoy the labels ,sex quite simply is sex however you enjoy it ok I get that some like to be in control and to a certain extent I'm naturally dominant but in a pleasant way ,a woman I know likes the bdsm side of it all but I've known her to be involved in pain beyond that that she actually wanted or agreed to she also had a dom for a short while but he just restricted her and carried on doing what he always did so that came to an end ,I think because to a large extent because she sees herself as sub but wants her way a contradiction in labels ha ![]() | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() That's different don't you know. Their kind of deviance is allowed, anything outwith that is sick and twisted. You only have to look at bareback, married etc threads to spot the pompous. To me it's akin to Lewis Hamilton berating Valentino Rossi for going too fast and putting himself at risk on two wheels whilst heading off to the race track. My partner can't even pronounce "sub"...he doesn't understand it so leaves me to enjoy my playmates. My playmates, who I've known for years are "high fliers"...company directors, bankers etc...men at the top of their game, always in control. Relinquishing control for a while gives them balance. Full time D/s or outside the bedroom is not for me...the occasional escape suits me perfectly, no different to the escape each and every one of us seeks being here. What is often missing is the respect for other people's choices. | |||
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"I can't speak for those without an interest in fetish or anyone else, but for myself the asking of approval is a form of submission, which for me in kink terms is unacceptable." And yet whenever I go to a club with a man, men always ask *him* if they can play with me. They are asking for his approval. | |||
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"Ok so why is it such a turn-off having sex with someone’s submissive? I mean very few guys find it a turn-off having sex with someone’s wife. What difference does it make to the guy who’s doing the fucking what her personal circumstances are. I mean if i made a singles profile and said I had my husband’s approval to have sex without him being there, without wanting to be big-headed, I suspect I would do ok. But if I said I had my masters approval to havecsex without him, all of a sudden I’m less desirable. But how does that difference effect the guy I’m having uncomplicated nsa sex with? Mrs" Because they are turned off by the idea. Simple as that. | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " I avoid people with that on their profile. I don't want to be a part of it. They can meet people that are turned on by it instead. ![]() | |||
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"I can't speak for those without an interest in fetish or anyone else, but for myself the asking of approval is a form of submission, which for me in kink terms is unacceptable." That’s why I compare it with a regular husband and wifr arrangement. For couples like ourselves where we both sometimes play alone, an element of approval will often be required. Any lover that I have, has always been with my husband’s approval of the guy. We have our reasons for that which are nothing to do D/s or being owned. But the outcome is in effect no different from a sub requiring her masters approval, even though the dynamic between the couple will be different. But that difference in dynamic would have no bearing on the single guy. If if was to say I need my husband’s approval, that would be considered reasonable to single guys who play with couples. If I were to say I need my masters approval, that would be a turn-off. Mrs | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think that’s well said. The kink you explore others has no bearing on your relationship with your partner. As you are not doing it to him there is nothing for him to be turned off about. Samecway if I decided to become an owned sub, men I play with would not necessarily be effected by the dynamic. They would only be turned off if they knew what I did. Mrs | |||
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"I can't speak for those without an interest in fetish or anyone else, but for myself the asking of approval is a form of submission, which for me in kink terms is unacceptable." Sorry misunderstood you. I didn’t realise you were saying that you found it unacceptable to ask for approval as a form of kink. Obviously my analogy is only relevant for couples where approval or permission is part of the arrangement. | |||
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"I can't speak for those without an interest in fetish or anyone else, but for myself the asking of approval is a form of submission, which for me in kink terms is unacceptable. And yet whenever I go to a club with a man, men always ask *him* if they can play with me. They are asking for his approval." that would be out of respect for your partner. Vastly different from mailing some no mark on here that you wouldn't pass the slightest heed of on the street looking for his "permission" | |||
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"I can't speak for those without an interest in fetish or anyone else, but for myself the asking of approval is a form of submission, which for me in kink terms is unacceptable. And yet whenever I go to a club with a man, men always ask *him* if they can play with me. They are asking for his approval.that would be out of respect for your partner. Vastly different from mailing some no mark on here that you wouldn't pass the slightest heed of on the street looking for his "permission" " So for you, you don’t mind and spouse/partner seeks approval, but it jarrs with you if a submissive seeks approval? Mrs | |||
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"I can't speak for those without an interest in fetish or anyone else, but for myself the asking of approval is a form of submission, which for me in kink terms is unacceptable. And yet whenever I go to a club with a man, men always ask *him* if they can play with me. They are asking for his approval.that would be out of respect for your partner. Vastly different from mailing some no mark on here that you wouldn't pass the slightest heed of on the street looking for his "permission" So for you, you don’t mind and spouse/partner seeks approval, but it jarrs with you if a submissive seeks approval? Mrs" Completely, it is on my profile I do not play with women who have dominants. Firstly I apologise that my explanation below is not gender neutral but I am responding to you. In terms of kink my interests are various running from rope to more edgy stuff so sex is merely an option of play and not necessarily the most connecting. In my view kink is all about the connection between me and the submissive/bottom with whom I am playing and doing things that we agree to do. The requirement of a doms/master's approval in my view breaks that direct connection in three ways. Firstly the dom/master can decide what I can or cannot do this could break the flow of the play. Secondly without the doms/master's approval there is no potential for development of the connection if it works or is a good connection. Thirdly the connection is conditional on someone who is my equal but has precedence in terms of kink this is uncomfortable. To explain further the husband's consent comes from a different dynamic. A person can have a spouse and have a separate dominant. The kink connection and relationship can develop seperately from the husband and wife relationship. Therefore one man's wife can be someone else's submissive. However if you play with someone's submissive they are never your submissive. So where I am playing with someone who does not have a dom/master, even if it is a one off, in that scene she is my submissive entirely and not conditionally. To me that is an important difference. | |||
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" Firstly the dom/master can decide what I can or cannot do this could break the flow of the play. Secondly without the doms/master's approval there is no potential for development of the connection if it works or is a good connection. Thirdly the connection is conditional on someone who is my equal but has precedence in terms of kink this is uncomfortable. To explain further the husband's consent comes from a different dynamic. A person can have a spouse and have a separate dominant. The kink connection and relationship can develop seperately from the husband and wife relationship. Therefore one man's wife can be someone else's submissive. However if you play with someone's submissive they are never your submissive. So where I am playing with someone who does not have a dom/master, even if it is a one off, in that scene she is my submissive entirely and not conditionally. To me that is an important difference. " 1. Why is it different to you if a woman says no to an activity, or if someone has asked her to say no? 2. Why do you assume that it's impossible to have multiple dominant partners? It is possible to give yourself 'entirely and not conditionally' for a few hours play, even if you have other dominant partners. That's what non-monogamy is. Perhaps I'm doing my relationships wrong... | |||
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" Firstly the dom/master can decide what I can or cannot do this could break the flow of the play. Secondly without the doms/master's approval there is no potential for development of the connection if it works or is a good connection. Thirdly the connection is conditional on someone who is my equal but has precedence in terms of kink this is uncomfortable. To explain further the husband's consent comes from a different dynamic. A person can have a spouse and have a separate dominant. The kink connection and relationship can develop seperately from the husband and wife relationship. Therefore one man's wife can be someone else's submissive. However if you play with someone's submissive they are never your submissive. So where I am playing with someone who does not have a dom/master, even if it is a one off, in that scene she is my submissive entirely and not conditionally. To me that is an important difference. 1. Why is it different to you if a woman says no to an activity, or if someone has asked her to say no? 2. Why do you assume that it's impossible to have multiple dominant partners? It is possible to give yourself 'entirely and not conditionally' for a few hours play, even if you have other dominant partners. That's what non-monogamy is. Perhaps I'm doing my relationships wrong..." In my view there is no true way of doing kink, it is only what works for the individuals involved. I am only explaining my position and not laying down in stone how other people should behave. My position in kink is except where I double dom, I am not interested in obtaining third party consent to play, or playing with someone where someone badged as a dom/master can stop the relationship developing. Other people are free to make their own choices. I can express my kink side at peer rope or rope workshops, or with people who don't have doms/masters. So I am happy to give that situation a miss. | |||
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"It’s a dynamic that exists in our relationship which suits what we both want. Sir is my dom and I don’t play sub to anyone else. Having said that I’m aware through threads like this that I think some people are taking the word a bit to literally. I wonder if you think I struggle to write on here chained up in my dungeon. Sorry to bust any myths but it’s a dynamic that we use sometimes during play. In our day in day out life I have never been so lucky to have such an equal, loving, caring partner. Doh now I’ve ruined the thread ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Firstly the dom/master can decide what I can or cannot do this could break the flow of the play. Secondly without the doms/master's approval there is no potential for development of the connection if it works or is a good connection. Thirdly the connection is conditional on someone who is my equal but has precedence in terms of kink this is uncomfortable. To explain further the husband's consent comes from a different dynamic. A person can have a spouse and have a separate dominant. The kink connection and relationship can develop seperately from the husband and wife relationship. Therefore one man's wife can be someone else's submissive. However if you play with someone's submissive they are never your submissive. So where I am playing with someone who does not have a dom/master, even if it is a one off, in that scene she is my submissive entirely and not conditionally. To me that is an important difference. 1. Why is it different to you if a woman says no to an activity, or if someone has asked her to say no? 2. Why do you assume that it's impossible to have multiple dominant partners? It is possible to give yourself 'entirely and not conditionally' for a few hours play, even if you have other dominant partners. That's what non-monogamy is. Perhaps I'm doing my relationships wrong... In my view there is no true way of doing kink, it is only what works for the individuals involved. I am only explaining my position and not laying down in stone how other people should behave. My position in kink is except where I double dom, I am not interested in obtaining third party consent to play, or playing with someone where someone badged as a dom/master can stop the relationship developing. Other people are free to make their own choices. I can express my kink side at peer rope or rope workshops, or with people who don't have doms/masters. So I am happy to give that situation a miss." Yeah, for sure. I'm just amused because I've seen guys state similar to you, but they've quite happily played with me without asking if I had a partner. ![]() | |||
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" Firstly the dom/master can decide what I can or cannot do this could break the flow of the play. Secondly without the doms/master's approval there is no potential for development of the connection if it works or is a good connection. Thirdly the connection is conditional on someone who is my equal but has precedence in terms of kink this is uncomfortable. To explain further the husband's consent comes from a different dynamic. A person can have a spouse and have a separate dominant. The kink connection and relationship can develop seperately from the husband and wife relationship. Therefore one man's wife can be someone else's submissive. However if you play with someone's submissive they are never your submissive. So where I am playing with someone who does not have a dom/master, even if it is a one off, in that scene she is my submissive entirely and not conditionally. To me that is an important difference. 1. Why is it different to you if a woman says no to an activity, or if someone has asked her to say no? 2. Why do you assume that it's impossible to have multiple dominant partners? It is possible to give yourself 'entirely and not conditionally' for a few hours play, even if you have other dominant partners. That's what non-monogamy is. Perhaps I'm doing my relationships wrong... In my view there is no true way of doing kink, it is only what works for the individuals involved. I am only explaining my position and not laying down in stone how other people should behave. My position in kink is except where I double dom, I am not interested in obtaining third party consent to play, or playing with someone where someone badged as a dom/master can stop the relationship developing. Other people are free to make their own choices. I can express my kink side at peer rope or rope workshops, or with people who don't have doms/masters. So I am happy to give that situation a miss. Yeah, for sure. I'm just amused because I've seen guys state similar to you, but they've quite happily played with me without asking if I had a partner. ![]() But that is a different situation, because the issue of a master or dom has not been put into the equation. A person cannot be blamed for acting where they don't have full information and are not being deliberately ignorant. Most woman are not owned or have a dom so I would not normally ask the question. Also ordinarily in a kink situation the sub would mention that she is owned in conversation. | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " Simply agree As soon as I read this On a profile then I ain't interested and switch off and put in private notes about the person that she has a master etc... and don't go near. Just my view and preference and I'm not offended if others don't share the same view | |||
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" Firstly the dom/master can decide what I can or cannot do this could break the flow of the play. Secondly without the doms/master's approval there is no potential for development of the connection if it works or is a good connection. Thirdly the connection is conditional on someone who is my equal but has precedence in terms of kink this is uncomfortable. To explain further the husband's consent comes from a different dynamic. A person can have a spouse and have a separate dominant. The kink connection and relationship can develop seperately from the husband and wife relationship. Therefore one man's wife can be someone else's submissive. However if you play with someone's submissive they are never your submissive. So where I am playing with someone who does not have a dom/master, even if it is a one off, in that scene she is my submissive entirely and not conditionally. To me that is an important difference. 1. Why is it different to you if a woman says no to an activity, or if someone has asked her to say no? 2. Why do you assume that it's impossible to have multiple dominant partners? It is possible to give yourself 'entirely and not conditionally' for a few hours play, even if you have other dominant partners. That's what non-monogamy is. Perhaps I'm doing my relationships wrong... In my view there is no true way of doing kink, it is only what works for the individuals involved. I am only explaining my position and not laying down in stone how other people should behave. My position in kink is except where I double dom, I am not interested in obtaining third party consent to play, or playing with someone where someone badged as a dom/master can stop the relationship developing. Other people are free to make their own choices. I can express my kink side at peer rope or rope workshops, or with people who don't have doms/masters. So I am happy to give that situation a miss. Yeah, for sure. I'm just amused because I've seen guys state similar to you, but they've quite happily played with me without asking if I had a partner. ![]() I generally wouldn't mention unless asked at a fetish club or event. If I'm looking for casual play then it's casual play - but there's still the possibilities of my choices being influenced by a partner. | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No - that’s not ‘all you did’ at all. You made an extremely rude, judgemental and misinformed comment - in a forum on a Swinging website, about other people’s sexual choices. You were called out for the rank hypocrisy in indulging in a sexual lifestyle that many people would judge because it’s different, while judging others because they differ to you. And if you’re going to be so rude about things, at least get your facts straight!! | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() am in love anyone, if your taking her to court, you will loseeeeeeeeeeeeee ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Quite often I’ll read a single female’s profile and she’ll mention the fact that she’s ‘owned’ and that her master will decide who she plays with. As soon as I read this I’m not interested, it’s a complete turn off for me. Are there any ladies who like this situation and why? Any males that ‘own’. To me, it sounds pathetic but each to their own I guess. " ![]() | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Totally agreeing with you here. People commenting on things they have no clue about. Just the fact that someone felt the need to start a thread like this rather than just letting people be themselves without judgement from others gets my blood up | |||
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"I like the idea of owning a guy if I'm honest! I'd never be owned though, I'd be loyal and faithful to one guy cos that's in my nature anyway but I wouldn't be owned. What would you have him do though? Send me videos of him masturbating and pictures of his bum hole whenever I wanted, not spunk for 2 days before we have sex unless it's consecutive days of us just having sex, only have sex with me, tickle my back, lick my arse hole whilst I watch emmerdale, let me suck his dick whenever I want. " In that case you can own me ![]() | |||
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"I personally would never contact such people. If they can't make decisions on their own, I want nothing to do with them. Oh ffs behave!!! Really is this really what people think ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It's a forum for discussion. Sometimes people learn new things. If we can't discuss or learn, the forums should just be closed. | |||
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"If you spend any time on Fab’s forums you’ll see the same ignorance on display regarding any topic you choose to think of, not just fetish or BDSM. Swingers are no more open minded or liberal than anyone else - and in many ways, from the forums here, you’ll see they are often very illiberal concerning the actions of others rather than themselves. So no point getting angry about it. ![]() Highly agree. I find that swingers who lead an alturnitive lifestyle, but they have very narrow main stream veiws. Relax, every one is differant and tgats what makes the world go round. | |||
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"If you spend any time on Fab’s forums you’ll see the same ignorance on display regarding any topic you choose to think of, not just fetish or BDSM. Swingers are no more open minded or liberal than anyone else - and in many ways, from the forums here, you’ll see they are often very illiberal concerning the actions of others rather than themselves. So no point getting angry about it. ![]() lots of typos in that but I get yer point but surely the whole point of a forum is to see the views of a cross section of its perverts whether positive or negative ![]() | |||
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"If you spend any time on Fab’s forums you’ll see the same ignorance on display regarding any topic you choose to think of, not just fetish or BDSM. Swingers are no more open minded or liberal than anyone else - and in many ways, from the forums here, you’ll see they are often very illiberal concerning the actions of others rather than themselves. So no point getting angry about it. ![]() Yes agree. No point bitching about something that others find they love when you don't. Although the OP did leave it as an open question for peoples views. I can understand why females and males are into it but not for me as stated above, if I see it on a female profile then I instantly turn off. But isn't it better that the female lets you know beforehand, on their profile rather find out than at a meet, (his is from the perspective of a guy who looks for females and couples). I'm not bitching about it and don't think anyone else who doesn't like the situation should bitch about it, yes put their views down but make it respectful ![]() ![]() | |||
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