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By *G Lana OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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I have just come across the following article in my news feeds suggesting a new possible genetic factor possibly involved in sexual orientation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/07/genes-linked-homosexuality-discovered-scientists/amp/
The study correlates a gene variant (SLITRK6), which is much more common in the study sample of gay men then straight men, with an enlarged hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is apparently important for the production of sex drive hormones and tends to be larger in gay men than the general male population.
To me the obvious next question would be is this gene variant also more common in other groups with higher sex drive such as swingers, regardless of thier sexual orientation?
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"I have just come across the following article in my news feeds suggesting a new possible genetic factor possibly involved in sexual orientation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/07/genes-linked-homosexuality-discovered-scientists/amp/
The study correlates a gene variant (SLITRK6), which is much more common in the study sample of gay men then straight men, with an enlarged hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is apparently important for the production of sex drive hormones and tends to be larger in gay men than the general male population.
To me the obvious next question would be is this gene variant also more common in other groups with higher sex drive such as swingers, regardless of thier sexual orientation?
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Wow....this is interesting....I had a stroke 2years ago and am fascinated by the brain and how it works....I also work with dogs and have done research into the hypothalamus and lack of/increase of testosterone....you have got me thinking now and I look forward to watching this thread ......  |
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By *G Lana OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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I work in a different area of science bit find the whole genetics/neuroscience biochemistry fascinating. It seems to be one of those areas where were only just scracting the surface of what will one day be known.
My slight concern though is that this is just the sort of information the the ultra conservatives (be that religious or political groups) sometime use to justify some really inhumane behaviours.
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I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed. |
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“I can see no major implications of this work or how it could be useful in the future.
“The genetic effects are far too weak to be of any predictive or diagnostic value. All biology – including the origins of sexuality – is interesting at some level, but I see no direct applications of such research.”
Gil McVean, Professor of Statistical Genetics at the University of Oxford |
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By *G Lana OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed. "
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
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"I have just come across the following article in my news feeds suggesting a new possible genetic factor possibly involved in sexual orientation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/07/genes-linked-homosexuality-discovered-scientists/amp/
The study correlates a gene variant (SLITRK6), which is much more common in the study sample of gay men then straight men, with an enlarged hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is apparently important for the production of sex drive hormones and tends to be larger in gay men than the general male population.
To me the obvious next question would be is this gene variant also more common in other groups with higher sex drive such as swingers, regardless of thier sexual orientation?
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Now I'll admit that I'm not studying genetics so I'm not the best person to make this case.
But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
As such I don't see this having any correlation with homosexuality and think it's purely coincidental. |
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"I have just come across the following article in my news feeds suggesting a new possible genetic factor possibly involved in sexual orientation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/07/genes-linked-homosexuality-discovered-scientists/amp/
The study correlates a gene variant (SLITRK6), which is much more common in the study sample of gay men then straight men, with an enlarged hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is apparently important for the production of sex drive hormones and tends to be larger in gay men than the general male population.
To me the obvious next question would be is this gene variant also more common in other groups with higher sex drive such as swingers, regardless of thier sexual orientation?
Now I'll admit that I'm not studying genetics so I'm not the best person to make this case.
But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
As such I don't see this having any correlation with homosexuality and think it's purely coincidental. "
The first mistake is using quotes from the Telegraph |
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"I have just come across the following article in my news feeds suggesting a new possible genetic factor possibly involved in sexual orientation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/07/genes-linked-homosexuality-discovered-scientists/amp/
The study correlates a gene variant (SLITRK6), which is much more common in the study sample of gay men then straight men, with an enlarged hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is apparently important for the production of sex drive hormones and tends to be larger in gay men than the general male population.
To me the obvious next question would be is this gene variant also more common in other groups with higher sex drive such as swingers, regardless of thier sexual orientation?
Now I'll admit that I'm not studying genetics so I'm not the best person to make this case.
But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
As such I don't see this having any correlation with homosexuality and think it's purely coincidental.
The first mistake is using quotes from the Telegraph"
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
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Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then..... |
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then....."
I wonder if the Telegraph will do a study on that next then.. |
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then.....
I wonder if the Telegraph will do a study on that next then.."
Trouble is, the wanking material would be Theresa May or Maggie Thatcher |
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
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I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth. |
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Agree that swinging, non manogamy etc is a lifestyle choice and preference. It’s more dictated by your attitudes to relationships and sex in general. Not your sex drive.
Being horny doesn’t make a swinger a swinger. |
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By *G Lana OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"I have just come across the following article in my news feeds suggesting a new possible genetic factor possibly involved in sexual orientation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/07/genes-linked-homosexuality-discovered-scientists/amp/
The study correlates a gene variant (SLITRK6), which is much more common in the study sample of gay men then straight men, with an enlarged hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is apparently important for the production of sex drive hormones and tends to be larger in gay men than the general male population.
To me the obvious next question would be is this gene variant also more common in other groups with higher sex drive such as swingers, regardless of thier sexual orientation?
Now I'll admit that I'm not studying genetics so I'm not the best person to make this case.
But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
As such I don't see this having any correlation with homosexuality and think it's purely coincidental.
The first mistake is using quotes from the Telegraph"
Unfortunately when you try and quote from the source scientific literature you end up on a naughty step. I've tripped over that one before. |
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By *offee with MilkCouple
over a year ago
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Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then.....
I wonder if the Telegraph will do a study on that next then..
Trouble is, the wanking material would be Theresa May or Maggie Thatcher "
That's the viagra antidote. I don't remember the last time I got this flaccid
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth."
I disagree. Swinging is against societal norms and disproved of by most people. Going against said norms is only going to be done by those who have a more than average interest in the activity concerned.
Look at this way. Yiu might be a arsenal fan and go to a few games at the emirates per season. That probably makes you an average arsenal fan. Travelling to Huddersfield on a Tuesday night to watch them means you have a very strong arsenal drive.
Swinging is the sex equivalent of that Tuesday night trip to Yorkshire. |
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then....."
you obviously don't have a scientific background then |
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then.....you obviously don't have a scientific background then "
Not really, no. I do have a degree in physics and a sense of humour though. |
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth.
I disagree. Swinging is against societal norms and disproved of by most people. Going against said norms is only going to be done by those who have a more than average interest in the activity concerned.
Look at this way. Yiu might be a arsenal fan and go to a few games at the emirates per season. That probably makes you an average arsenal fan. Travelling to Huddersfield on a Tuesday night to watch them means you have a very strong arsenal drive.
Swinging is the sex equivalent of that Tuesday night trip to Yorkshire. "
Swinging is against current societal norms, which are very different to the long run norms. Polygamy is the long term norm, swinging is a lot closer to that than monogamy, hence why i called it a compromise. |
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth.
I disagree. Swinging is against societal norms and disproved of by most people. Going against said norms is only going to be done by those who have a more than average interest in the activity concerned.
Look at this way. Yiu might be a arsenal fan and go to a few games at the emirates per season. That probably makes you an average arsenal fan. Travelling to Huddersfield on a Tuesday night to watch them means you have a very strong arsenal drive.
Swinging is the sex equivalent of that Tuesday night trip to Yorkshire.
Swinging is against current societal norms, which are very different to the long run norms. Polygamy is the long term norm, swinging is a lot closer to that than monogamy, hence why i called it a compromise. "
It takes quite a bit of effort to be a swinger, hence if you are not that much into sex, you just won't make that effort. To take another sporting analogy, I probably have the average UKs persons interest in rugby. If there was a particularly interesting game on TV and I had nothing else on I might watch it. I don't have sufficient interest to pay for tickets and go down to Twickenham. You need to be more an averagely interested to do that.
And people operate on the basis of current social norms, not long term or historical ones. |
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And people operate on the basis of current social norms, not long term or historical ones. "
They don't though, this is what the field of evolutionary psychology is about. Whilst monogamy is the expectation social norm, sticking to it is not. |
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then.....you obviously don't have a scientific background then
Not really, no. I do have a degree in physics and a sense of humour though."
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But the gene SLITRK6 is a member of the protein coding family and is required for human eyesight and hearing.
Any mutations of this gene varied can lead to either deafness or myopia.
Perhaps wanking does damage your eyesight then.....you obviously don't have a scientific background then
Not really, no. I do have a degree in physics and a sense of humour though."
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth."
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth.
I am polyamourous I believe x"
I think our nature predisposes us to certain paths but also certain life events are necessary to complete the journey, particualy in our fomative years (i.e. under 30). I always enjoyed nudism, even as a 7 year old getting no sexual pleasure from it. I probably wouldn't have become a swinger if i hadn't met certain people at certain times but once you open Pandoras box... |
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth.
I am polyamourous I believe x"
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"I think you've made a mistake in your initial assumption that swingers have high sex drives. We're not here because we are overly horny, we just embrace ethical non-monogamy and indulge from time to time. Most humans are not monogamous by nature so i think the initial premise is flawed.
Do you have any evidence to support that the average sex drive of the swinging community is the same as the general population? I ask this as whilst I will admit that I don't have any evidence to prove or disprove this but I am fairly comfortable that whilst there will be a broad range of sex drive levels across the swinging community I would still expect the average to be higher than the equivalent group in the general population. If for no other reason I would suggest that if you have no interest in sex, and there are significant numbers in this group in the general population, then your unlikely to have any interest in swinging either.
I get what you are saying and yes there are a scary amount of women in the vanilla world who want zero sex so the average is probably higher for that reason. But filter out the couples that have zero sex and don't hate each other and i don't think the average swinger would come out much different to the average vanilla couple that actually do fuck and are in love. I don't really think that most swingers are swingers because they can't control a high sex drive. I think it's fact that monogamy is not the natural way for humans and swinging is like a compromise that embraces that truth.
I am polyamourous I believe x
I think our nature predisposes us to certain paths but also certain life events are necessary to complete the journey, particualy in our fomative years (i.e. under 30). I always enjoyed nudism, even as a 7 year old getting no sexual pleasure from it. I probably wouldn't have become a swinger if i hadn't met certain people at certain times but once you open Pandoras box..."
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