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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. " How is he being unreasonable? | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? " He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. " It seems to me you're lacking an appreciation of context. You make it sound as if we were in church. If you're at a swingers club & plan to have sex, chances are you'll be doing it with a stranger. So if a woman walks up to a bloke and snogs his face off uninvited, and said bloke who happens to find her attractive reciprocates by going along and cupping a feel under her very short skirt, I doubt she will consider it unreasonable or improper. In any case, all this is besides the point I was trying to make with my post. And that was about someone presenting themselves as what they're not in a deliberate bid to get sexually involved with unsuspecting folks. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. " she ? | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. "  | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. she ?" Yes. She. She was inappropriate. She should have known she looked so good she would need to say she was trans for him to know and make the choice. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. "Also, this. | |||
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"I'm a bit shocked tbh , I know loads of tgirls and none of my friends would dream of doing that , it amazes me tho how an initial snog gives anyone the right to put their hands so far up a skirt , maybe in sex clubs its reasonable behaviour tho I wudnt like it to be so up front " It's not even reasonable behaviour in a club. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab.
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"She must have been very good and relistic for you not to notice in 1st place lol either that or you had a few and wasnt seing straight lol "I’ve seen a couple of tvs who looked so good I couldn’t tell until they spoke. They were very much part time though. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. " I'm afraid you have perverted the OP's words a little...you say he 'grabbed' her..he said he reached out..and I am assuming this was welcome in the act of her initial approach. so yeah..you might be being a little unreasonable. I think the OP's account is perhaps the more valid of the other points raised. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab.
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"We don't actually do that sort of thing at all When I'm out it's usually the other way around . guys coming up to you wanting to kiss and have a feel . well I can tell you .treat me like that and it will only result with a kick in the balls . we don't go around molesting guys . maybe this was a bit of wishful thinking or you met a right slapper either way it doesn't portray us at all " Yeah, this "trap" stuff is really transphobic and gross. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. I'm afraid you have perverted the OP's words a little...you say he 'grabbed' her..he said he reached out..and I am assuming this was welcome in the act of her initial approach. so yeah..you might be being a little unreasonable. I think the OP's account is perhaps the more valid of the other points raised." I don't agree | |||
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"We don't actually do that sort of thing at all When I'm out it's usually the other way around . guys coming up to you wanting to kiss and have a feel . well I can tell you .treat me like that and it will only result with a kick in the balls . we don't go around molesting guys . maybe this was a bit of wishful thinking or you met a right slapper either way it doesn't portray us at all Yeah, this "trap" stuff is really transphobic and gross." | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. I'm afraid you have perverted the OP's words a little...you say he 'grabbed' her..he said he reached out..and I am assuming this was welcome in the act of her initial approach. so yeah..you might be being a little unreasonable. I think the OP's account is perhaps the more valid of the other points raised.I don't agree " You might not agree...again there is no mention of her being offended...so shall we assume that it was pretty much some consensual acts going on, regardless of the gender. thats how it actually reads. | |||
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"So, I was at a club over the weekend, nursing a drink at the bar, when this good looking woman walked up to me, says "Hello Gorgeous!", and snogged my face off. Yum! Yum!! I thought. Result! And as you do, I reached out to cup a feel under her skirt. You can imagine the shock I felt when I made contact with balls the size of coconuts. You're not a woman I said. No I'm a T-Girl, hope you don't mind, was the reply I got. As a matter of fact I do, I replied. I'm straight, and this is a heterosexual event. I won't bore you with the rest of our conversation after that but I found out later on that he/she had been in the dark closet a few times stealing kisses and smooches off unsuspecting blokes. Well out of order if you ask me, or am I being unreasonable "You’re not being unreasonable. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. " Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she. | |||
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"A trans girl who identifies as female is a she. And certainly not an it" If your born a guy your a guy not a she. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. I'm afraid you have perverted the OP's words a little...you say he 'grabbed' her..he said he reached out..and I am assuming this was welcome in the act of her initial approach. so yeah..you might be being a little unreasonable. I think the OP's account is perhaps the more valid of the other points raised." When did you become the voice of reason? xx | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she." How so? She presents as female. He thought she was female. She's female. Just happens to have a penis. As for calling her it? No, try again  | |||
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"So, I was at a club over the weekend, nursing a drink at the bar, when this good looking woman walked up to me, says "Hello Gorgeous!", and snogged my face off. Yum! Yum!! I thought. Result! And as you do, I reached out to cup a feel under her skirt. You can imagine the shock I felt when I made contact with balls the size of coconuts. You're not a woman I said. No I'm a T-Girl, hope you don't mind, was the reply I got. As a matter of fact I do, I replied. I'm straight, and this is a heterosexual event. I won't bore you with the rest of our conversation after that but I found out later on that he/she had been in the dark closet a few times stealing kisses and smooches off unsuspecting blokes. Well out of order if you ask me, or am I being unreasonable "Well, as for the comments about the dark room, the whole point is you have no idea who's in there with you, so you can't moan about it later. Secondly, does the club state "heterosexual event" specifically, or was that your assumption? As for people's comments about the unsolicited contact, if you were happy with the kiss and she was happy with your hand up her skirt, then no harm, no foul. If after discovering the pair of balls, you decided to stop, you, like a woman, have the right to withdraw consent at any time as long as you didn't come out with anything homophobic in the process. | |||
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"So, I was at a club over the weekend, nursing a drink at the bar, when this good looking woman walked up to me, says "Hello Gorgeous!", and snogged my face off. Yum! Yum!! I thought. Result! And as you do, I reached out to cup a feel under her skirt. You can imagine the shock I felt when I made contact with balls the size of coconuts. You're not a woman I said. No I'm a T-Girl, hope you don't mind, was the reply I got. As a matter of fact I do, I replied. I'm straight, and this is a heterosexual event. I won't bore you with the rest of our conversation after that but I found out later on that he/she had been in the dark closet a few times stealing kisses and smooches off unsuspecting blokes. Well out of order if you ask me, or am I being unreasonable "I think alot of people are pointing out a much bigger issue here People are giving the OP shit for a grope, when someone came up to him and kissed him WITHOUT asking or even introducing themselves. If a guy does that in a club he is band for life, and gets a bad rep in the community,a T-girl or even a real woman does it, and somehow not only is it OK, but people give the guy shit for a grop after what is, sorry to break it to you folks who disagree, frankly an open invite to touch!! Someone come up to you and just starts snogging your face off after saying but 2 words to you...yeah thats basically an invitation for touching And so what if he is a Tgirl? So if any guy goes into a club dressed as a woman the rules no longer apply to them? Get fucked!! | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. " Perfect answer. | |||
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"All sexual contact and acts should be consensual, we all know that but obtaining consent by deception could be construed as sexual assault or r**e. The T girl in this story could find herself in a bit of trouble if she carried on in that way." It amazes me how presumptuous some people are on the scene. Have had it happen too many times and I find it crass and irritating. I’ve never laid my hands on anyone unless I’ve been sure they’re okay with me doing it. | |||
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"A trans girl who identifies as female is a she. And certainly not an it" | |||
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"So OP you let a random stranger snog the face of you which you happily reciprocated then before even stopping to look and get an idea who the random stranger was you automatically responded by putting your hand directly up her skirt hoping to feel a vagina. Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this one. "Maybe this one should be in the fantasy section. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she." You are being unreasonable to think you have the right to refer to a human being as 'it' | |||
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"So, I was at a club over the weekend, nursing a drink at the bar, when this good looking woman walked up to me, says "Hello Gorgeous!", and snogged my face off. Yum! Yum!! I thought. Result! And as you do, I reached out to cup a feel under her skirt. You can imagine the shock I felt when I made contact with balls the size of coconuts. You're not a woman I said. No I'm a T-Girl, hope you don't mind, was the reply I got. As a matter of fact I do, I replied. I'm straight, and this is a heterosexual event. I won't bore you with the rest of our conversation after that but I found out later on that he/she had been in the dark closet a few times stealing kisses and smooches off unsuspecting blokes. Well out of order if you ask me, or am I being unreasonable "That’s not on ... I have many friends that are Tgirls and I know that none of them would behave in such a way Yes of course they love it when they are seen as a girl but would never partake in anything sexually even a kiss without the other party being aware In fact they get way more attention with others knowing that they are a Tgirl Quite rightly so that you would not be happy as the choice was taken away from you Pretty sure that the majority of Tgirls would think this was a bad move on their part | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she. You are being unreasonable to think you have the right to refer to a human being as 'it' " I'm a she not an " it".if you cant see that I'm not the one with the problem . I dont come from some alien planet .still far too many narrow minded people knocking about | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she. You are being unreasonable to think you have the right to refer to a human being as 'it' I'm a she not an " it".if you cant see that I'm not the one with the problem . I dont come from some alien planet .still far too many narrow minded people knocking about " | |||
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"Given the OP thought s/he was a woman before copping a feel under the skirt, how many women here would consider it inappropriate for a man to put his hand up their skirt? Two wrongs don't make a right, let alone a wrong and a right." Probably need smelling salts if it was done to H.
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"So OP you let a random stranger snog the face of you which you happily reciprocated then before even stopping to look and get an idea who the random stranger was you automatically responded by putting your hand directly up her skirt hoping to feel a vagina. Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this one.
Maybe this one should be in the fantasy section."a kiss is in no way, a signal to then grope someone .if you go around groping people ( female,TV ,TS) you are asking for serious trouble . | |||
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"So, I was at a club over the weekend, nursing a drink at the bar, when this good looking woman walked up to me, says "Hello Gorgeous!", and snogged my face off. Yum! Yum!! I thought. Result! And as you do, I reached out to cup a feel under her skirt. You can imagine the shock I felt when I made contact with balls the size of coconuts. You're not a woman I said. No I'm a T-Girl, hope you don't mind, was the reply I got. As a matter of fact I do, I replied. I'm straight, and this is a heterosexual event. I won't bore you with the rest of our conversation after that but I found out later on that he/she had been in the dark closet a few times stealing kisses and smooches off unsuspecting blokes. Well out of order if you ask me, or am I being unreasonable "didn't you feel the stubble on her face when she kissed you..?  | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. It seems to me you're lacking an appreciation of context. You make it sound as if we were in church. If you're at a swingers club & plan to have sex, chances are you'll be doing it with a stranger. So if a woman walks up to a bloke and snogs his face off uninvited, and said bloke who happens to find her attractive reciprocates by going along and cupping a feel under her very short skirt, I doubt she will consider it unreasonable or improper. In any case, all this is besides the point I was trying to make with my post. And that was about someone presenting themselves as what they're not in a deliberate bid to get sexually involved with unsuspecting folks." | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? " so groping is reasonable ? I think not .there's some difference between a kiss and a full on grope . I think the OP had an inkling here about her and wanted to have a free feel . if he had done that to me he would be lying flat out on the floor.but them again I wouldn't have kissed him without an invite no matter how good looking he migjt be .I will not accept this so called macho behaviour as acceptable .we have lives as much as anybody else | |||
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"The best insult you could think of to throw at a bunch of swingers is "get f@cked"? Let me be the first to retort by saying yes hopefully "Its not an insult at all in an explitive Like if i asked you to do something unreasonable youd say "fuck that" or "you can fuck right off" | |||
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"The best insult you could think of to throw at a bunch of swingers is "get f@cked"? Let me be the first to retort by saying yes hopefully "Amd i love how this is the only part of what i said anyone has touched, guess i must be right then | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? so groping is reasonable ? I think not .there's some difference between a kiss and a full on grope . " There isn't if it is uninvited | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? so groping is reasonable ? I think not .there's some difference between a kiss and a full on grope . There isn't if it is uninvited" Thank you another voice of reason | |||
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"PS lets have some respect for all users please, calling one section of our community "it" is not pleasant" | |||
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"Taking this at face value and not getting into whether its true or not. Take the scenario of 2 people meeting. The gender of neither matters just for now. They hit it off. They start snogging and clearly things are getting hot. Hands wander. They get to private bits. How many of you would break off from a snog and say would you mind awfully if i put my hand on your genitalia? Back to the subject at hand. Forgive me if I get my wording wrong here as I am by no means an expert. If a T girl identifies fully as a woman I can understand that they would not feel at ease saying to someone I fancy you but you need to know I have man bits. To not do so is deception regardless. Now a little bit of my personal experience and situation. I am fully straight not fab straight. I also am a regular ish visitor to pubs in the Canal Street area of Manchester. It's a bloody good laugh and in my experience the safest area to drink in the city. In all my time drinking there I have never once been randomly snogged by anyone. Maybe cos I am fugly i dunno lol. I have been randonly snogged and actually had my crotch grabbed by d*unken women in a few other places. I don't make a scene about it but I don't bloody appreciate it. I have of course also been approached by women and I have been the approacher. Got into convo and then that has led from one thing to another. That's how it is meant to work obviously. My long winded point here is the OP seems to have been jumped on for his actions. Yet the main issue is one of deception. Not an easy situation for either party in the scenario described in my opinion." yes start a conversation first see where it leads to but the Op states girl just comes up to him says" hello gorgeous ",snogs him ,he has a grope .where is there any build up or connection there .yes wrong of her to go up and just do it .but that's no signal to just to go up anyones skirt or dress .maybe this thread needs to go back to La La Land . I for one don't believe this at all .its been made up .. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she." It??? Could you be anymore offensive. No she shouldn't have initiated sexual contact without disclosure, and if she is making a habit of duping guys and the club is aware, that's for them to sort out for her safety, and for the peace of mind for unsuspecting guys. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she." You don't know that, if she looked that good then she's probably made a full transition and is legally recognised as 'she'. You should respect the laws of this country. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she. You don't know that, if she looked that good then she's probably made a full transition and is legally recognised as 'she'. You should respect the laws of this country. " The balls like cocunuts comment suggests a full transition had not occurred to me. | |||
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"All sounds a load of bollocks to me, I think this should have been posted in the fantasy section. My lord he doth protest too much comes to mind, just think it’s posted for attention seeking and responses. " its wishful thinking .hes just fell off his star | |||
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"What we appear to have established here - from the OP's perspective and those whom support it in degree and/or nuance - is that a woman doing what was purported to have been done would have been kinda out there, but fine, if not WAHEY even! However, a woman with a penis doing precisely the same thing would most certainly not. This is a rather delicious example of the pernicious transphobic mentality that exists out there from both the cis and trans-gendered alike. "Not true re woman vs woman with a penis. I am not the only one to say it's unacceptable from anyone. | |||
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"What we appear to have established here - from the OP's perspective and those whom support it in degree and/or nuance - is that a woman doing what was purported to have been done would have been kinda out there, but fine, if not WAHEY even! However, a woman with a penis doing precisely the same thing would most certainly not. This is a rather delicious example of the pernicious transphobic mentality that exists out there from both the cis and trans-gendered alike. "How the fuck is that transphobic? Jesus Christ, some of you are truly bonkers. Human sexuality is not rigid, certain "problematic" behaviors will be excused provided there is an element of preemptive consent (mutual sexual attraction/trust/negotiation). By your logic a woman should be perfectly fine with being sexually assaulted because she enjoys rough sex with her partners. Some of you are beyond disgusting. And thats what blows my mind about many in these "marginalized communities"...how consent evaporates the moment the one committing the questionable acts comes from a suitably "right-on" segment of the population. I remember reading an article about Lena Dunhams own autobiography in which she detailed clear sexual violations she committed against her own younger sister. To anyone else they would be deemed as sexual assault...however, becayse Dunham is part of the liberal clique of feminist "trend-setters", her behavior is a-okay | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. " I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime. | |||
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"What we appear to have established here - from the OP's perspective and those whom support it in degree and/or nuance - is that a woman doing what was purported to have been done would have been kinda out there, but fine, if not WAHEY even! However, a woman with a penis doing precisely the same thing would most certainly not. This is a rather delicious example of the pernicious transphobic mentality that exists out there from both the cis and trans-gendered alike.
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime. "Thank you. Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent. No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design. "I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it. "No. It. Isnt. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/ There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau: "Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including: verbal and physical abuse physical violence teasing bullying threatening behaviour online abuse damage to property. It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation. Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend." What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air? The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze. "I fully support your final statement! | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze. "Your genuine and verdant hostility is hate, a hatred targeted at those that identify as trans. A hate crime no less. And you're digging yourself deeper and deeper - your arrogance betrays you. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze.
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze. "The list of hate crime definitions quoted above illustrates some things that can be construed as hate crime ('can',,not necessarily 'do'). Calling someone names that you know they don't like could fall into the categories of; verbal abuse,bullying,teasing and harassment. So,misgendering someone could be considered a hate crime,depending on the circumstances and intent. | |||
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"My initial reaction was; I don't believe it.. Something about this didn't square up. Then on second reading I decided it was either the OP's fantasy or he was home or whatever phobic. Finally I simply found it amusing and it could easily have been a sketch from the Dick Emery show,"hello gorgeous"Anyone remember? Ask yr parents." Oooo you are awful! But i like you.
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it" It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze.
The list of hate crime definitions quoted above illustrates some things that can be construed as hate crime ('can',,not necessarily 'do'). Calling someone names that you know they don't like could fall into the categories of; verbal abuse,bullying,teasing and harassment.
So,misgendering someone could be considered a hate crime,depending on the circumstances and intent.
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. " so everyone you kiss you'd expect their hands to go up your skirt? I dont think so .a snog is not a signal to do that .yes both were wrong if true .but hey people are being accused now of far less than that (groping is def out of order more so than any kiss no matter where you are ). like I say do that to me and you'd have one swelling you def wouldn't want kiss or no bloody kiss .I don't care if it was transphobic or not it doesn't give anyone a right to have a feel .some women might enjoy it but I doubt the majority would welcome it .and yes if it had been a woman what would give her the right to do it just the same People were made to be loved Things were made to be used But in this present world we live in It appears to be the other way round .i will not be used . | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she. You don't know that, if she looked that good then she's probably made a full transition and is legally recognised as 'she'. You should respect the laws of this country. The balls like cocunuts comment suggests a full transition had not occurred to me." Plenty of trans people keep their coconuts. That isn't the definition of a completed transition. It's called a "gender recognition certificate". Biologically you cannot change your gender, but legally you can and it sounds like she had. Therefore, she was a she. Either that or OP has crap eye sight, take your pick... | |||
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. so everyone you kiss you'd expect their hands to go up your skirt? I dont think so .a snog is not a signal to do that .yes both were wrong if true .but hey people are being accused now of far less than that (groping is def out of order more so than any kiss no matter where you are ). like I say do that to me and you'd have one swelling you def wouldn't want kiss or no bloody kiss .I don't care if it was transphobic or not it doesn't give anyone a right to have a feel .some women might enjoy it but I doubt the majority would welcome it .and yes if it had been a woman what would give her the right to do it just the same People were made to be loved Things were made to be used But in this present world we live in It appears to be the other way round .i will not be used . " I'm not quite sure how you got that from what I stated. | |||
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. so everyone you kiss you'd expect their hands to go up your skirt? I dont think so .a snog is not a signal to do that .yes both were wrong if true .but hey people are being accused now of far less than that (groping is def out of order more so than any kiss no matter where you are ). like I say do that to me and you'd have one swelling you def wouldn't want kiss or no bloody kiss .I don't care if it was transphobic or not it doesn't give anyone a right to have a feel .some women might enjoy it but I doubt the majority would welcome it .and yes if it had been a woman what would give her the right to do it just the same People were made to be loved Things were made to be used But in this present world we live in It appears to be the other way round .i will not be used . I'm not quite sure how you got that from what I stated. " I wasn't having a go at you .in all honesty this thread smells of fantasy | |||
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. so everyone you kiss you'd expect their hands to go up your skirt? I dont think so .a snog is not a signal to do that .yes both were wrong if true .but hey people are being accused now of far less than that (groping is def out of order more so than any kiss no matter where you are ). like I say do that to me and you'd have one swelling you def wouldn't want kiss or no bloody kiss .I don't care if it was transphobic or not it doesn't give anyone a right to have a feel .some women might enjoy it but I doubt the majority would welcome it .and yes if it had been a woman what would give her the right to do it just the same People were made to be loved Things were made to be used But in this present world we live in It appears to be the other way round .i will not be used . I'm not quite sure how you got that from what I stated. I wasn't having a go at you .in all honesty this thread smells of fantasy " No probs. I think it's not even an original fantasy. Plagiarised from a scene in Crocodile Dundee. | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story " What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. | |||
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. " So what? I said this before but i will say it again People are giving the OP shit for a grope, when someone came up to him and kissed him WITHOUT asking or even introducing themselves. If a guy does that in a club he is band for life, and gets a bad rep in the community,a T-girl or even a real woman does it, and somehow not only is it OK, but people give the guy shit for a feel after what is, sorry to break it to you folks who disagree, frankly an open invite to touch!! Someone come up to you and just starts snogging your face off after saying but 2 words to you...yeah thats basically an invitation for touching And so what if he is a Tgirl? So if any guy goes into a club dressed as a woman the rules of conduct seem to no longer apply to them? So, based on that: Lets look again at our, now lesbian woman OP telling the story Would all of you who crtisized the OP have done so....especially the way you have done? As i said before I highlt doubt it | |||
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. So what? I said this before but i will say it again People are giving the OP shit for a grope, when someone came up to him and kissed him WITHOUT asking or even introducing themselves. If a guy does that in a club he is band for life, and gets a bad rep in the community,a T-girl or even a real woman does it, and somehow not only is it OK, but people give the guy shit for a feel after what is, sorry to break it to you folks who disagree, frankly an open invite to touch!! Someone come up to you and just starts snogging your face off after saying but 2 words to you...yeah thats basically an invitation for touching And so what if he is a Tgirl? So if any guy goes into a club dressed as a woman the rules of conduct seem to no longer apply to them? So, based on that: Lets look again at our, now lesbian woman OP telling the story Would all of you who crtisized the OP have done so....especially the way you have done? As i said before I highlt doubt it" Well,I did say earlier that the T Girls behaviour was wrong too and that she could be seen as trying to deceive someone into giving consent. | |||
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"Where was this 'hetero' only night? Presume you would have been equally as vocal and reported any girl/girl shenanigans going on? "We have been to a lot of clubs and a lot of different themed nights but I’ve genuinely never heard of a hetero only event | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. Hes not being unreasonable and its a he not a she. You don't know that, if she looked that good then she's probably made a full transition and is legally recognised as 'she'. You should respect the laws of this country. The balls like cocunuts comment suggests a full transition had not occurred to me. Plenty of trans people keep their coconuts. That isn't the definition of a completed transition. It's called a "gender recognition certificate". Biologically you cannot change your gender, but legally you can and it sounds like she had. Therefore, she was a she. Either that or OP has crap eye sight, take your pick... " Fair enough. I wasn't aware of the legalities. | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. " its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway | |||
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"I refuse to believe that these are the best the trans community has to offer on this site because so far, their arguments, for people who have lived as long as they have, have been shockingly laughable. Surely the sensible ones don't come on the forums because those that have commented so far have let the side down. I talk about a case of a trans woman who visits a swingers club on a Friday night and goes into the dark room to mingle with straight guys, knowing that the guys go in there in hopes of finding women. Said trans woman also snogs my face off uninvited (notice I didn't say kiss or kiss on the cheek).., and me not being a cold fish when snogged by someone I thought was an attractive woman, reaches under her skirt for a feel (notice I didn't say grope), and finds evidence that tells me the person kissing me isn't a woman. What has been the reaction of the trans contributors here so far? 1. I've made it all up because no trans woman would ever seek to deceive. Men can, women can.. but trans women? Never! 2. I'm transphobic. 3. I'm a closet admirer of trans women. 4. How dare I reach under the skirt of someone who snogs me uninvited in a swingers club. I was totally out of order. Perhaps I should have asked for permission first from the person who didn't bother to ask for permission from me before trying to cut off my air supply. So what do we have here? Faced with a situation that any sensible person will see as being inappropriate, the trans contributors so far have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. Mind you, my post never suggested that the behaviour of this one trans person is typical of all trans women in the UK. And for the one who says calling a trans woman "he" is a hate crime, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about." | |||
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"I love to death that everyone who disagrees with the OP is trying (and failing if you have a rational thought in your head) of being a tramsphobee and insinuating he is gay. Lets swap a lesbian woman for the OP shall we and pose the question of who is in the wrong again? Would you be mocking her? Saying "Face it OP you like men" and " ypur not going to catch straight off him"? I highly fucking doubt it It's not necessarily transphobic for a person not to be attracted to trans women,we all have preferences. It seems like most of the people disagreeing with the OP,are disagreeing with his method of finding out. So what? I said this before but i will say it again People are giving the OP shit for a grope, when someone came up to him and kissed him WITHOUT asking or even introducing themselves. If a guy does that in a club he is band for life, and gets a bad rep in the community,a T-girl or even a real woman does it, and somehow not only is it OK, but people give the guy shit for a feel after what is, sorry to break it to you folks who disagree, frankly an open invite to touch!! Someone come up to you and just starts snogging your face off after saying but 2 words to you...yeah thats basically an invitation for touching And so what if he is a Tgirl? So if any guy goes into a club dressed as a woman the rules of conduct seem to no longer apply to them? So, based on that: Lets look again at our, now lesbian woman OP telling the story Would all of you who crtisized the OP have done so....especially the way you have done? As i said before I highlt doubt it Well,I did say earlier that the T Girls behaviour was wrong too and that she could be seen as trying to deceive someone into giving consent." Exactly So i dont understamd why the OP is getting frankly ANY critisism at all Ok If you are snogging someones face off in a club, would you be doing that with someone you DIDNT want to touch you?? And this is an open question to all the OPs critics | |||
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"I refuse to believe that these are the best the trans community has to offer on this site because so far, their arguments, for people who have lived as long as they have, have been shockingly laughable. Surely the sensible ones don't come on the forums because those that have commented so far have let the side down. I talk about a case of a trans woman who visits a swingers club on a Friday night and goes into the dark room to mingle with straight guys, knowing that the guys go in there in hopes of finding women. Said trans woman also snogs my face off uninvited (notice I didn't say kiss or kiss on the cheek).., and me not being a cold fish when snogged by someone I thought was an attractive woman, reaches under her skirt for a feel (notice I didn't say grope), and finds evidence that tells me the person kissing me isn't a woman. What has been the reaction of the trans contributors here so far? 1. I've made it all up because no trans woman would ever seek to deceive. Men can, women can.. but trans women? Never! 2. I'm transphobic. 3. I'm a closet admirer of trans women. 4. How dare I reach under the skirt of someone who snogs me uninvited in a swingers club. I was totally out of order. Perhaps I should have asked for permission first from the person who didn't bother to ask for permission from me before trying to cut off my air supply. So what do we have here? Faced with a situation that any sensible person will see as being inappropriate, the trans contributors so far have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. Mind you, my post never suggested that the behaviour of this one trans person is typical of all trans women in the UK. And for the one who says calling a trans woman "he" is a hate crime, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about." re read ur opening title again sweetheart | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? " | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway " Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? | |||
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"I refuse to believe that these are the best the trans community has to offer on this site because so far, their arguments, for people who have lived as long as they have, have been shockingly laughable. Surely the sensible ones don't come on the forums because those that have commented so far have let the side down. I talk about a case of a trans woman who visits a swingers club on a Friday night and goes into the dark room to mingle with straight guys, knowing that the guys go in there in hopes of finding women. Said trans woman also snogs my face off uninvited (notice I didn't say kiss or kiss on the cheek).., and me not being a cold fish when snogged by someone I thought was an attractive woman, reaches under her skirt for a feel (notice I didn't say grope), and finds evidence that tells me the person kissing me isn't a woman. What has been the reaction of the trans contributors here so far? 1. I've made it all up because no trans woman would ever seek to deceive. Men can, women can.. but trans women? Never! 2. I'm transphobic. 3. I'm a closet admirer of trans women. 4. How dare I reach under the skirt of someone who snogs me uninvited in a swingers club. I was totally out of order. Perhaps I should have asked for permission first from the person who didn't bother to ask for permission from me before trying to cut off my air supply. So what do we have here? Faced with a situation that any sensible person will see as being inappropriate, the trans contributors so far have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. Mind you, my post never suggested that the behaviour of this one trans person is typical of all trans women in the UK. And for the one who says calling a trans woman "he" is a hate crime, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about." You did say that the action took place in the bar and a few people have said that any physical contact without consent would be wrong.Including deceiving someone into giving consent or sticking a hand up someones skirt uninvited. I think that anyone would agree that going into a dark room and sneaking feels and kisses would probably come into the category of non consensual contact. I stand by my comment that the whole thing reads just like the scene from Crocodile Dundee. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. It seems to me you're lacking an appreciation of context. You make it sound as if we were in church. If you're at a swingers club & plan to have sex, chances are you'll be doing it with a stranger. So if a woman walks up to a bloke and snogs his face off uninvited, and said bloke who happens to find her attractive reciprocates by going along and cupping a feel under her very short skirt, I doubt she will consider it unreasonable or improper. In any case, all this is besides the point I was trying to make with my post. And that was about someone presenting themselves as what they're not in a deliberate bid to get sexually involved with unsuspecting folks." | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway " Well said , you are very right about common courtesy. Myself as a woman would certainly never take for granted that another man or woman actually wanted to snog me - how up myself would that be !!
For instance my OH does not play with others he likes to watch me and he would be furious if ANYONE literally went up to him and kissed him as that’s not how he plays
Straight , bi , trans whatever common decency is to determine the boundaries before making a sexual advance
Be interested to know if it was the OP that had made that advance without asking on someone would it be deemed as acceptable ? If we are all honest whether I’m a swinging club or not we would say no and he would be classed with all the other ‘nuisance’ single males that so many moan about | |||
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"It's not ok for anyone to snog someone uninvited. Its not ok for anyone to grope someone uninvited. Groping is not an uncommon thing to occur in a snogging scenario. Given levels of horniness on both parties. It's not surprising that when a person of one particular gender finds the genitals of the same gender when they were not expecting to gets annoyed. Regardless of gender, sexual orientation or whatever else can anybody say in all honesty any of that is incorrect? That is essentially what we are talking about here. The rest is just bickering." The "yum yum" reaction of the OP suggests the snog wasn't invited, although i appreciate it was invited within a short period of time of them becoming acquantied. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze.
The list of hate crime definitions quoted above illustrates some things that can be construed as hate crime ('can',,not necessarily 'do'). Calling someone names that you know they don't like could fall into the categories of; verbal abuse,bullying,teasing and harassment.
So,misgendering someone could be considered a hate crime,depending on the circumstances and intent.
The intent ftom superfreak was to defend the OP's actions of not being impressed he was fooled, nothing more. Nicky has her view and doesn't appear to accept others."Of course there are views I don't accept, I'm not an idiot or monster! | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? " how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze.
The list of hate crime definitions quoted above illustrates some things that can be construed as hate crime ('can',,not necessarily 'do'). Calling someone names that you know they don't like could fall into the categories of; verbal abuse,bullying,teasing and harassment.
So,misgendering someone could be considered a hate crime,depending on the circumstances and intent.
The intent ftom superfreak was to defend the OP's actions of not being impressed he was fooled, nothing more. Nicky has her view and doesn't appear to accept others.
Of course there are views I don't accept, I'm not an idiot or monster! "Not helping your case here really I am afraid. | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them " But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them " Absolutely. | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Well said , you are very right about common courtesy. Myself as a woman would certainly never take for granted that another man or woman actually wanted to snog me - how up myself would that be !!
For instance my OH does not play with others he likes to watch me and he would be furious if ANYONE literally went up to him and kissed him as that’s not how he plays
Straight , bi , trans whatever common decency is to determine the boundaries before making a sexual advance
Be interested to know if it was the OP that had made that advance without asking on someone would it be deemed as acceptable ? If we are all honest whether I’m a swinging club or not we would say no and he would be classed with all the other ‘nuisance’ single males that so many moan about " | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). " Base definition is also subjective. That aside. Not disclosing you are trans is far from a legal issue. You know that is not the point. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze.
The list of hate crime definitions quoted above illustrates some things that can be construed as hate crime ('can',,not necessarily 'do'). Calling someone names that you know they don't like could fall into the categories of; verbal abuse,bullying,teasing and harassment.
So,misgendering someone could be considered a hate crime,depending on the circumstances and intent.
The intent ftom superfreak was to defend the OP's actions of not being impressed he was fooled, nothing more. Nicky has her view and doesn't appear to accept others.
Of course there are views I don't accept, I'm not an idiot or monster!
Not helping your case here really I am afraid."I disagree, so there. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. " how is he? admittably we dont meet with tv or ts but you need to know 100% what your going into enless he chose to go in blind, but he didnt get given that chance. she is the one who goes round getting everything she wants without giving anyone a chance. i think people like that are the ones that give ts/tvs a bad name also S x | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. how is he? admittably we dont meet with tv or ts but you need to know 100% what your going into enless he chose to go in blind, but he didnt get given that chance. she is the one who goes round getting everything she wants without giving anyone a chance. i think people like that are the ones that give ts/tvs a bad name also S x" the OP also is trying to give trans people a bad name do you think ? reading his posts ?? begs the question don't it ? | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). Base definition is also subjective. That aside. Not disclosing you are trans is far from a legal issue. You know that is not the point." The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). Base definition is also subjective. That aside. Not disclosing you are trans is far from a legal issue. You know that is not the point. The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? " hahaha you need to ask the OP that sweets | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). Base definition is also subjective. That aside. Not disclosing you are trans is far from a legal issue. You know that is not the point. The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? " They had nuts! And i aint talking kp. | |||
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" ... The only difference is, those within the LGBTQI+ community seem to have far more enablers than most. This thread alone has the usual contingent of forum dwelling idiots who seem to want to chastise the OP for committing the cardinal sin of not wanting to have sex with what is, biologically and fundamentally, a man. I trust you are unaware that to describe a transwoman as a man is essentially a hate crime.
Thank you.
Thank you for proving my point. You're EXACTLY the person I am talking about. Hiding behind LGBT issues and activism for your self obsession, narcissism and psychopathy. Its becoming more frequent.
No, calling a trans person a man IS NOT a hate crime. And NOWHERE is it defined as such. The sad state of affairs means that people like you are living in cloud cuckoo land and simply think shouting out terms like "RACIST"!" or "BIGOT!" will make it true. You're actually a massive disservice to your own community...but, for some of you, I am starting to think thats the point. Its all intended to be self harming by design.
I'm afraid it is a hate crime and therefore proves you thoroughly clueless in this matter. And do stop with the pseudo-psychology. Just because one has had therapy doesn't qualify one to dispense it.
No. It. Isnt.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/
There, from the very Citizens Advice Bureau:
Homophobic and transphobic hate incidents can take many forms including:
verbal and physical abuse
physical violence
teasing
bullying
threatening behaviour
online abuse
damage to property.
It can be a one-off incident or part of an ongoing campaign of harassment or intimidation.
Hate incidents are not only carried out by strangers. It could be carried out by a carer, a neighbour, a teacher or someone you consider a friend.
What is truly astonishing is watching you sit here and create reality for yourself. Nowhere in the law is stating someones biological sex a crime...nowhere. You're essentially creating laws which do not exist. The only way doing such could even possibly be determined some kind of offense is if the forum in which the topic was being discussed had specific policies in regard to use of certain terminology or language. Nowhere in Fab's FAQ does it say such so, once again, why are you making up laws out of thin air?
The level of delusion in this forum will never cease to amaze.
The list of hate crime definitions quoted above illustrates some things that can be construed as hate crime ('can',,not necessarily 'do'). Calling someone names that you know they don't like could fall into the categories of; verbal abuse,bullying,teasing and harassment.
So,misgendering someone could be considered a hate crime,depending on the circumstances and intent.
The intent ftom superfreak was to defend the OP's actions of not being impressed he was fooled, nothing more. Nicky has her view and doesn't appear to accept others.
Of course there are views I don't accept, I'm not an idiot or monster!
Not helping your case here really I am afraid.
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). Base definition is also subjective. That aside. Not disclosing you are trans is far from a legal issue. You know that is not the point. The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? They had nuts! And i aint talking kp. "So push em to the side... problem solved. Jeez you'd never last inside | |||
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"I just didn't like the ops title , it suggests a blanket approach that encompasses anyone who is trans at any level of transition , it comes across as we are all up to the same antics preying deceptively on men and taking our chances where we can to trick and con men ! this is by and large not my experience of trans people and I know a lot trust me , if the tgirl in question actually behaved the way stated then yes its totally unfair and unreasonable and the op has a case , though he should have shared his concerns with the management of the club , to post it on here looks like hes sending out a warning to other club goers to be extra vigilant , though we are only privy to his side of the story What is unfair about a trans woman seeing a guy she likes and going in for a snog? I seriously don't get it. He wasn't forced to kiss her if he wasn't attracted to her. its common courtesy sweetheart , good manners and being polite , I would personally want any man to know that I possessed male genitalia before any sexual contact ensued , tho I'm sure they woudnt need it spelling out anyway Ok i can follow your logic to a point but where does it end? What else are the essential criteria one must disclose before one can get to first base with someone? What's the checklist we can all agree on? how can I answer ur question ? I can only conduct myself in a proper way what others do is up to them But that's the point innit. My checklist would be different to yours, it's subjective. The OP seems pissed off that everyone doesn't agree that disclosing you are trans should be on the checklist. So far, I'm only aware of one criteria and it doesn't kick in until 4th base (legally you must tell a sexual partner if you are HIV positive). Base definition is also subjective. That aside. Not disclosing you are trans is far from a legal issue. You know that is not the point. The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? They had nuts! And i aint talking kp.
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"I refuse to believe that these are the best the trans community has to offer on this site because so far, their arguments, for people who have lived as long as they have, have been shockingly laughable. Surely the sensible ones don't come on the forums because those that have commented so far have let the side down. I talk about a case of a trans woman who visits a swingers club on a Friday night and goes into the dark room to mingle with straight guys, knowing that the guys go in there in hopes of finding women. Said trans woman also snogs my face off uninvited (notice I didn't say kiss or kiss on the cheek).., and me not being a cold fish when snogged by someone I thought was an attractive woman, reaches under her skirt for a feel (notice I didn't say grope), and finds evidence that tells me the person kissing me isn't a woman. What has been the reaction of the trans contributors here so far? 1. I've made it all up because no trans woman would ever seek to deceive. Men can, women can.. but trans women? Never! 2. I'm transphobic. 3. I'm a closet admirer of trans women. 4. How dare I reach under the skirt of someone who snogs me uninvited in a swingers club. I was totally out of order. Perhaps I should have asked for permission first from the person who didn't bother to ask for permission from me before trying to cut off my air supply. So what do we have here? Faced with a situation that any sensible person will see as being inappropriate, the trans contributors so far have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. Mind you, my post never suggested that the behaviour of this one trans person is typical of all trans women in the UK. And for the one who says calling a trans woman "he" is a hate crime, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about." You're just becoming insulting op. No one person represents a whole gender - you should not rightly have to justify any man who has behaved inappropriately, other than yourself. I will likewise not do the same for other transwomen or women in general. You're bordering on inciting hatred and shaming transgender people in an unnecessary way. You had an experience, presumably learned that no business is typically heterosexual customers only as well as the other lessons that you can from an event in your life, where it is likely that people would also question the appropriateness of your own actions, when you groped a person sexually without consent. You perhaps have admitted in a public forum that you engaged in non-consensual sexual activities with another person. You would perhaps be wise to refrain from projecting your own distasteful experience upon to others in a style that causes distress to anyone. | |||
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" The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? " The hole was an asshole, if the man is straight he is probably hoping for a vagina | |||
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" The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? The hole was an asshole, if the man is straight he is probably hoping for a vagina" Why? Women have assholes and they are tighrer than vaginas. Men generally prefer tighter holes... | |||
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" The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? The hole was an asshole, if the man is straight he is probably hoping for a vagina Why? Women have assholes and they are tighrer than vaginas. Men generally prefer tighter holes..." Haha very true but not necessarily the case with all mine are both tighter than a mouses ear | |||
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"We don't actually do that sort of thing at all When I'm out it's usually the other way around . guys coming up to you wanting to kiss and have a feel . well I can tell you .treat me like that and it will only result with a kick in the balls . we don't go around molesting guys . maybe this was a bit of wishful thinking or you met a right slapper either way it doesn't portray us at all " The Op didn’t say it did portray all of you. He is speaking about a specific incident that happened to him. He is looking for assurance that his instinct of it being wrong is shared. | |||
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"I refuse to believe that these are the best the trans community has to offer on this site because so far, their arguments, for people who have lived as long as they have, have been shockingly laughable. Surely the sensible ones don't come on the forums because those that have commented so far have let the side down. I talk about a case of a trans woman who visits a swingers club on a Friday night and goes into the dark room to mingle with straight guys, knowing that the guys go in there in hopes of finding women. Said trans woman also snogs my face off uninvited (notice I didn't say kiss or kiss on the cheek).., and me not being a cold fish when snogged by someone I thought was an attractive woman, reaches under her skirt for a feel (notice I didn't say grope), and finds evidence that tells me the person kissing me isn't a woman. What has been the reaction of the trans contributors here so far? 1. I've made it all up because no trans woman would ever seek to deceive. Men can, women can.. but trans women? Never! 2. I'm transphobic. 3. I'm a closet admirer of trans women. 4. How dare I reach under the skirt of someone who snogs me uninvited in a swingers club. I was totally out of order. Perhaps I should have asked for permission first from the person who didn't bother to ask for permission from me before trying to cut off my air supply. So what do we have here? Faced with a situation that any sensible person will see as being inappropriate, the trans contributors so far have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. Mind you, my post never suggested that the behaviour of this one trans person is typical of all trans women in the UK. And for the one who says calling a trans woman "he" is a hate crime, you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about." I have no idea who came onto you but if they were trying to cut off your air supply why would you then think wow this is cool I'll have a little feel under that dress .you have no god given right to do that . accept it was a mistake you both made and move on .we are not like that . I would never ever make a move on anyone no matter what gender or orientation they are . to make us look the bad ones is wrong .I'm not burying my head in any sand . I do not behave in the way you mentioned here But a kiss or snog from any gender does not mean a green light for anyone to grope. If it had been a real female you would have went even further which doesn't look good swinging club or not .all the clubs I go to people usually chat first to see If there is any connection . to be honest I think you both should have been thrown out .i do not go out to decieve .if people cant see the truth I always tell them first .I'm not going to spring any surprise on anyone .I'm me, deal with it or move on .we are def not man traps . | |||
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" So what do we have here? Faced with a situation that any sensible person will see as being inappropriate, the trans contributors so far have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. " It's a bit of both really isn't it? As ruggers has said you where sat at the bar in your "opening post" nursing a drink. Then suddenly it has changed to a dark room where all this happened. I think in in your op you were both inappropriate...but your reply later pushes all the blame on "her". So maybe I'm a little sceptical to how the thread has progressed to read what is the true version of events. Ps I suppose I represent the "trans community" to some extent... | |||
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" The issue seems to be that the OP isn't happy for trans people to do something he's happy for women to do. Not inherently a problem, i have things i wouldn't want a man to do to me, but would accept from a woman. The issue seems to be that the OP can't tell who is trans. Since they can't tell very well, I'm wondering what the big problem is? If it looked like a girl, smelt like a girl, was of legal age and had a hole to put your johnson in, then what exactly was the issue? The hole was an asshole, if the man is straight he is probably hoping for a vagina Why? Women have assholes and they are tighrer than vaginas. Men generally prefer tighter holes... If you don't know why men like pussies by now I don't think anything I say will educate you
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"I talk about a case of a trans woman who visits a swingers club on a Friday night and goes into the dark room to mingle with straight guys, knowing that the guys go in there in hopes of finding women. Said trans woman also snogs my face off uninvited (notice I didn't say kiss or kiss on the cheek).., and me not being a cold fish when snogged by someone I thought was an attractive woman, reaches under her skirt for a feel (notice I didn't say grope), and finds evidence that tells me the person kissing me isn't a woman. " If you know this woman goes in to the dark rooms on a regular basis why did you not recognize her when she was snogging your face off? I don't understand how on one hand she was a stranger that you happily snogged while at the same time you know about her ongoing behavior? | |||
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" But, I would deny that there is a very strong contingent of trans people who air on the side of mentally ill...and yes, I think the fact that 50%+ commit suicide may lend some credence to that suggestion. I'm assumimg a lazy google to try and find statistics to back up the claim that trans people are mentally ill is the explanation for this totally misquoted and distorted statistic? A survey found almost 50% of school age trans people had attempted suicide. Attempted not succeeded. I;d have thought the reasons why someone of that age struggling to come to terms with their identity would have mental health issues, nit least of they aren't getting the support they need. " It's also a very misleading statistic because it's very culture specific. The figure is not representative of cultures like Polynesia or certain East Asian countries where being trans ain't a thang. You can base a universal truth on a culturally specific stat. | |||
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"I think most Tv/TS/T-girls are fully aware that not every man is gay/bi or willing to experiment.... even if he’s in a kinky club! And I’m pretty sure they are aware that some straight men will react negatively. Surely, the responsible and appropriate thing would have been to be upfront with the OP, giving him decision to pursue liaisons if it was his flavour. If someone is being purposely deceptive, that’s incorrect. And I might say... risky for the trans-person too. If the Op was a different type of person... this could have turned violent. And I’m not saying that’s right. I’m just saying it happens. " And this is why so many of us find the op’s story so unlikely. Trans people are well aware that we risk our mere existence pissing people off and so find it highly unlikely that a girl so confident and “passable” (for want of a better word) would make such a move without being sure he was ok with her being trans. Personally I find it more likely that the op saw this vision of beauty and was turned down by her. Later finding she was trans he’s taken exception that he was finding her attractive in the first place (confusing for many men) and the feeling wasn’t reciprocated. | |||
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"We have met Optimus (OP) several times and he is very down to earth, sensible and decent. What he was asking was is it unreasonable of the dude (yes, he has a penis, so he’s a dude no matter how he feels in his head) to appear as a woman and without giving the OP any hint of his disguise, snog him. If it were a real woman (yes that means with a vagina) then it would be fairly normal behaviour in a swingers club. Essentially the tranny took away OP’s right to make an informed choice. Stop all the political correctness bullshit. The tranny was out of order, and knew what he was doing." I did say earlier that I have bumped into a couple of transvestites who look completely female but only two. I expect the female your friend is referring to is transgender and well into her transition. Insisting she is a he, in your out dated opinion, is simply rude, inaccurate, ill informed and as such, ignorant. | |||
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"We have met Optimus (OP) several times and he is very down to earth, sensible and decent. What he was asking was is it unreasonable of the dude (yes, he has a penis, so he’s a dude no matter how he feels in his head) to appear as a woman and without giving the OP any hint of his disguise, snog him. If it were a real woman (yes that means with a vagina) then it would be fairly normal behaviour in a swingers club. Essentially the tranny took away OP’s right to make an informed choice. Stop all the political correctness bullshit. The tranny was out of order, and knew what he was doing. I did say earlier that I have bumped into a couple of transvestites who look completely female but only two. I expect the female your friend is referring to is transgender and well into her transition. Insisting she is a he, in your out dated opinion, is simply rude, inaccurate, ill informed and as such, ignorant. " And most likely not in keeping with the correct legal definition. | |||
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"We have met Optimus (OP) several times and he is very down to earth, sensible and decent. What he was asking was is it unreasonable of the dude (yes, he has a penis, so he’s a dude no matter how he feels in his head) to appear as a woman and without giving the OP any hint of his disguise, snog him. If it were a real woman (yes that means with a vagina) then it would be fairly normal behaviour in a swingers club. Essentially the tranny took away OP’s right to make an informed choice. Stop all the political correctness bullshit. The tranny was out of order, and knew what he was doing. I did say earlier that I have bumped into a couple of transvestites who look completely female but only two. I expect the female your friend is referring to is transgender and well into her transition. Insisting she is a he, in your out dated opinion, is simply rude, inaccurate, ill informed and as such, ignorant. " Some people never miss a good opportunity to flaunt their ignorance | |||
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"We have met Optimus (OP) several times and he is very down to earth, sensible and decent. What he was asking was is it unreasonable of the dude (yes, he has a penis, so he’s a dude no matter how he feels in his head) to appear as a woman and without giving the OP any hint of his disguise, snog him. If it were a real woman (yes that means with a vagina) then it would be fairly normal behaviour in a swingers club. Essentially the tranny took away OP’s right to make an informed choice. Stop all the political correctness bullshit. The tranny was out of order, and knew what he was doing." It's not political correctness. People who complain about political correctness just wish they could abuse and humiliate people they don't like without fear of recrimination. Just like in your post. The world moves on. Science and medicine move on. Most peoples learned opinions stay still, particularly when they cling to them because they make them feel better about an ever changing world. Getting the impression that this whole thread has been one big dig at trans people. | |||
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"We have met Optimus (OP) several times and he is very down to earth, sensible and decent. What he was asking was is it unreasonable of the dude (yes, he has a penis, so he’s a dude no matter how he feels in his head) to appear as a woman and without giving the OP any hint of his disguise, snog him. If it were a real woman (yes that means with a vagina) then it would be fairly normal behaviour in a swingers club. Essentially the tranny took away OP’s right to make an informed choice. Stop all the political correctness bullshit. The tranny was out of order, and knew what he was doing. I did say earlier that I have bumped into a couple of transvestites who look completely female but only two. I expect the female your friend is referring to is transgender and well into her transition. Insisting she is a he, in your out dated opinion, is simply rude, inaccurate, ill informed and as such, ignorant. Some people never miss a good opportunity to flaunt their ignorance "People used to confidently slag off homosexuality in public, confident that they’d get a rousing chorus of approving homophobic comments from all around them. Similarly, in the good old days, they’d loudly spout racist bollocks fully expecting to be supported in their opinions. The trans community have a long way to go still before people are less confident in spouting their transphobic opinions it seems. | |||
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"All sounds a load of bollocks to me, I think this should have been posted in the fantasy section. My lord he doth protest too much comes to mind, just think it’s posted for attention seeking and responses. " | |||
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" It's a bit of both really isn't it? As ruggers has said you where sat at the bar in your "opening post" nursing a drink. Then suddenly it has changed to a dark room where all this happened. I think in in your op you were both inappropriate...but your reply later pushes all the blame on "her". So maybe I'm a little sceptical to how the thread has progressed to read what is the true version of events. Ps I suppose I represent the "trans community" to some extent... " I'm not sure what is confusing about my description of what transpired at the bar, and what transpired in the dark room. My encounter with the trans woman was at the bar. She had however also been in the dark room, which I learnt later that evening from a couple & a few guys I was chatting with. Whether her visit to the dark room was before or after our encounter..., I've got no idea. And about this "Heterosexual Event" I mentioned, I didn't think I had to spell it out that I was being general. Of course gays, bisexuals or trans people were not barred from visiting that night. However, how many of you have visited a regular swingers club on an evening that isn't themed "Gay or Bisexual", and observed sexual interactions between two men. I certainly haven't, which isn't to say it doesn't happen.., but I doubt many people have. The point I was trying to pass on was that if you're sexually interested in men and you're not a biological woman, you can't visit a club on a regular night and assume that most guys you meet will be sexually attracted to you. | |||
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" It's a bit of both really isn't it? As ruggers has said you where sat at the bar in your "opening post" nursing a drink. Then suddenly it has changed to a dark room where all this happened. I think in in your op you were both inappropriate...but your reply later pushes all the blame on "her". So maybe I'm a little sceptical to how the thread has progressed to read what is the true version of events. Ps I suppose I represent the "trans community" to some extent... I'm not sure what is confusing about my description of what transpired at the bar, and what transpired in the dark room. My encounter with the trans woman was at the bar. She had however also been in the dark room, which I learnt later that evening from a couple & a few guys I was chatting with. Whether her visit to the dark room was before or after our encounter..., I've got no idea. And about this "Heterosexual Event" I mentioned, I didn't think I had to spell it out that I was being general. Of course gays, bisexuals or trans people were not barred from visiting that night. However, how many of you have visited a regular swingers club on an evening that isn't themed "Gay or Bisexual", and observed sexual interactions between two men. I certainly haven't, which isn't to say it doesn't happen.., but I doubt many people have. The point I was trying to pass on was that if you're sexually interested in men and you're not a biological woman, you can't visit a club on a regular night and assume that most guys you meet will be sexually attracted to you." I think you need to do a little research before you assume the girl you encountered wasn’t biologically female. I’ve posted the link explaining the scientific explanation several times on these threads as to why it’s possible to be genetically one gender whist sporting the other genders genitalia. | |||
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"She was inappropriate, you're being unreasonable. How is he being unreasonable? He thought phwoar, became aroused, went along with a stranger kissing him and thought it appropriate to grab her genitals. She was wrong to lunge, he was unreasonable to grab. " Nailed it. | |||
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" It's a bit of both really isn't it? As ruggers has said you where sat at the bar in your "opening post" nursing a drink. Then suddenly it has changed to a dark room where all this happened. I think in in your op you were both inappropriate...but your reply later pushes all the blame on "her". So maybe I'm a little sceptical to how the thread has progressed to read what is the true version of events. Ps I suppose I represent the "trans community" to some extent... I'm not sure what is confusing about my description of what transpired at the bar, and what transpired in the dark room. My encounter with the trans woman was at the bar. She had however also been in the dark room, which I learnt later that evening from a couple & a few guys I was chatting with. Whether her visit to the dark room was before or after our encounter..., I've got no idea. And about this "Heterosexual Event" I mentioned, I didn't think I had to spell it out that I was being general. Of course gays, bisexuals or trans people were not barred from visiting that night. However, how many of you have visited a regular swingers club on an evening that isn't themed "Gay or Bisexual", and observed sexual interactions between two men. I certainly haven't, which isn't to say it doesn't happen.., but I doubt many people have. The point I was trying to pass on was that if you're sexually interested in men and you're not a biological woman, you can't visit a club on a regular night and assume that most guys you meet will be sexually attracted to you." I have seen women engaging each other on "Hetrosexual Nights" so maybe that's why I'm confused. Who made all these rules because they are pretty messed up. The thing this lady did wrong is she didn't ask first. That's just general swingers etiquette. So this thread could have been titled "People who don't follow etiquette " But you decided because one trans lady did it they all do it. You seem to think that if two women play on a non bi night its fine but not two guys. Its ok for a "biological woman" to just walk up and kiss you but not any other. There's a word for this. Discrimination. Your minset belongs in a millennium that has long since passed. | |||
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"We have met Optimus (OP) several times and he is very down to earth, sensible and decent. What he was asking was is it unreasonable of the dude (yes, he has a penis, so he’s a dude no matter how he feels in his head) to appear as a woman and without giving the OP any hint of his disguise, snog him. If it were a real woman (yes that means with a vagina) then it would be fairly normal behaviour in a swingers club. Essentially the tranny took away OP’s right to make an informed choice. Stop all the political correctness bullshit. The tranny was out of order, and knew what he was doing." I posted this a few days ago on another thread. According to what I have found it says if TG are transitioning and meet certain criteria then they can be classed as a woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom "Since 4 April 2005, as per the Gender Recognition Act 2004, it is possible for transgender people to change their legal gender in the UK, allowing them to acquire a new birth certificate, affording them full recognition of their acquired sex in law for all purposes. Transgender people must present evidence to a Gender Recognition Panel, which considers their case and issues a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC); they must have transitioned two years before a GRC is issued. It is not a requirement for sex reassignment surgery to have taken place, although such surgery will be accepted as part of the supporting evidence for a case where it has taken place. There is formal approval of medical gender reassignment available either on the National Health Service (NHS) or privately." | |||
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