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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We haven't talked about this for about 12 minutes.
Despite what I say on our profile, I still get 20 messages a day from straight guys offering a bit of bi action. 90% of the time they just offer some bit of bi sucking for a free ride on a lady.
I know some guys need to be discreet, but is there a way to block all straight men? |
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"I find them more annoying than the people who don't bother to read our profile.
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Having just read your profile , I get the impression that you don't meet straight guys ?
I may be wrong if course , but that's my guess  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We haven't talked about this for about 12 minutes.
Despite what I say on our profile, I still get 20 messages a day from straight guys offering a bit of bi action. 90% of the time they just offer some bit of bi sucking for a free ride on a lady.
I know some guys need to be discreet, but is there a way to block all straight men? "
I think you have to ask yourself.. Why does it matter so much to you.. whether someone describes themselves, or how discreet they choose to be.
Private messages are sent in the ridiculous hope that they are actually read in the way they were sent. In trust.
I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Maybe just keeping their options open.
At lot of people expect openly bi or curious men to be quite full on so couples who don't like that won't meet people who don't say straight in their profile.
But maybe the person generally wants straight most of the time but sometimes test out the bi curiousity inside them only to get judged for contradicting their profile. |
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"We haven't talked about this for about 12 minutes.
Despite what I say on our profile, I still get 20 messages a day from straight guys offering a bit of bi action. 90% of the time they just offer some bit of bi sucking for a free ride on a lady.
I know some guys need to be discreet, but is there a way to block all straight men?
I think you have to ask yourself.. Why does it matter so much to you.. whether someone describes themselves, or how discreet they choose to be.
Private messages are sent in the ridiculous hope that they are actually read in the way they were sent. In trust.
I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do.
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So a guy may have the desire to engage in a bit of bi fun every now and then . But generally he is way more into straight fun . Do you think he should state on his profile that he is bi ?
If he does , he is potentially putting a whole load of meets off . So I agree with you on why he doesn't . However , I'm not so sure it's an ugly thing to do by not displaying the fact that he likes the occasional dabble with a guy . If he's only after bi fun 10% of the time , he may be reducing the likelihood of what he wants the other 90% of the time , so it's probably sensible really . |
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"Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile. "
Just read your profile, do you meet straight guys? |
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"Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile.
Just read your profile, do you meet straight guys? "
Pmsl.....
According to the veri's ..... yes they do !
Oh the irony |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do."
Spot on.
Maybe we should be questioning why they don't feel comfortable with a bi label... or why the label matters to you at all?
I would hope openly gay or bi people would be more understand with those still finding their sexuality, exploring or still reluctant to openly come out. But no... thou shall not have bi curiosity or desires without an official outing and label.
Completely unacceptable to judge a woman on who or how many people she's slept with... But if a guys slept with a guy... well he better bloody tell everyone and ensure he classifies himself as gay... |
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I don't buy all this stuff about straight guy profiles then saying they are bi to get a meet.
If you are happy to play bi then you are bi for the purposes of Fab
I'm straight and don't play bi nor message couples where the male is bi either. That reduces my playing field and quite rightly so |
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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago
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"Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile. "
You cant always get what you want.
Gotta love the stones. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do."
Spot on.
Maybe we should be questioning why they don't feel comfortable with a bi label... or why the label matters to you at all?
I would hope openly gay or bi people would be more understand with those still finding their sexuality, exploring or still reluctant to openly come out. But no... thou shall not have bi curiosity or desires without an official outing and label.
Completely unacceptable to judge a woman on who or how many people she's slept with... But if a guys slept with a guy... well he better bloody tell everyone and ensure he classifies himself as gay..."
Well said.
Funny how I can hold this view.. yet still be infuriated by no men who try it on lol.
I took all my filters off yesterday and unblocked everyone.
Within the first five minutes..
"Hello, shame you're straight"
Instead of losing my rag about it, I stopped, put myself in his shoes and at his level of Fab. Replied..
"I know! Imagine the fun we could have had."
To which he then took as green light. He needed telling twice.. quite firmly.. that I wasn't interested.
So bi-men are also there own worst enemies at times. They have to learn to navigate this site as well as any other sex or sexuality. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know some guys need to be discreet, but is there a way to block all straight men? "
Likewise,as a couple who meet single guys,we would like a search facility to search for straight guys. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As has been stated above - many bi guys will play with bi and straight couples, women and men (obviously as they are bi).
There are a huge amounts of profiles on here where couples and women state no bi men.
Seems fairly obvious to us why bi guys will have straight on their profile.
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""I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do."
Spot on.
Maybe we should be questioning why they don't feel comfortable with a bi label... or why the label matters to you at all?
I would hope openly gay or bi people would be more understand with those still finding their sexuality, exploring or still reluctant to openly come out. But no... thou shall not have bi curiosity or desires without an official outing and label.
Completely unacceptable to judge a woman on who or how many people she's slept with... But if a guys slept with a guy... well he better bloody tell everyone and ensure he classifies himself as gay..."
That would be fair enough if we were not all anonymous on here (unless we choose not to be).
There are three categories on here :
Straight = only interested in sex with the other gender
Bi-curious = primarily interested in the other gender but will consider same sex contact
Bi = interested in sex with both genders.
I really don't think it's oppressive to expect people to be honest about which of those categories they fall into. |
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""I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do."
Spot on.
Maybe we should be questioning why they don't feel comfortable with a bi label... or why the label matters to you at all?
I would hope openly gay or bi people would be more understand with those still finding their sexuality, exploring or still reluctant to openly come out. But no... thou shall not have bi curiosity or desires without an official outing and label.
Completely unacceptable to judge a woman on who or how many people she's slept with... But if a guys slept with a guy... well he better bloody tell everyone and ensure he classifies himself as gay...
Well said.
Funny how I can hold this view.. yet still be infuriated by no men who try it on lol.
I took all my filters off yesterday and unblocked everyone.
Within the first five minutes..
"Hello, shame you're straight"
Instead of losing my rag about it, I stopped, put myself in his shoes and at his level of Fab. Replied..
"I know! Imagine the fun we could have had."
To which he then took as green light. He needed telling twice.. quite firmly.. that I wasn't interested.
So bi-men are also there own worst enemies at times. They have to learn to navigate this site as well as any other sex or sexuality."
Why would you lose your rag because a man finds you attractive? |
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?"
No reason at all if the guy states bi on his profile and the straight couple choose to play with an openly bi guy. |
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?"
He does , and will continue to do so as long as he doesn't state bi on his profile .
There are so many couples who say they won't meet bi or bi curious guys  |
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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?
He does , and will continue to do so as long as he doesn't state bi on his profile .
There are so many couples who say they won't meet bi or bi curious guys "
I have a theory on why. Keeping to myself as i dont have my tin hat with me lol |
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?"
He can. But the fact of the matter is, that anyone involved in regular same sex play is not straight!
I'm a bi women. I rarely play bi because the opportunity is rarely there. But I am still bi I can assure you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do."
Spot on.
Maybe we should be questioning why they don't feel comfortable with a bi label... or why the label matters to you at all?
I would hope openly gay or bi people would be more understand with those still finding their sexuality, exploring or still reluctant to openly come out. But no... thou shall not have bi curiosity or desires without an official outing and label.
Completely unacceptable to judge a woman on who or how many people she's slept with... But if a guys slept with a guy... well he better bloody tell everyone and ensure he classifies himself as gay...
Well said.
Funny how I can hold this view.. yet still be infuriated by no men who try it on lol.
I took all my filters off yesterday and unblocked everyone.
Within the first five minutes..
"Hello, shame you're straight"
Instead of losing my rag about it, I stopped, put myself in his shoes and at his level of Fab. Replied..
"I know! Imagine the fun we could have had."
To which he then took as green light. He needed telling twice.. quite firmly.. that I wasn't interested.
So bi-men are also there own worst enemies at times. They have to learn to navigate this site as well as any other sex or sexuality.
Why would you lose your rag because a man finds you attractive? "
I don't. It's the telling me about it when I thought my profile was quite clear. The crossing of a boundary. Now that doesn't bother me.. but continued pursuit does.. and WILL lead to a warning, then a block. |
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The bottom line is that about three quarters of the men on here will say anything for a shag. Hence they know that saying they are bi will probably repel more couples then it attracts, so they don't say that, even if they are.
Notwithstanding that, even the genuinely straight ones will tolerate a bloke fumbling with their cock in return for a fuck of a woman. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Notwithstanding that, even the genuinely straight ones will tolerate a bloke fumbling with their cock in return for a fuck of a woman.
That's a bold statement lol .... this one won't  "
Yeah.. I'd not really agree with that statement either. I think I'd freak out a little  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Tbh..
The categories on here are too pigeonholed. Why should people be forced to fit into one particular category..
If you go on Fetlife for example their categories are much more diverse. For example one is "hete exibe"..
Let's all try not to be "sexual orientation Nazis" and just enjoy the fun. Who cares what they put as long as all involved have a good time. We had the best night ever with a guy last night who calls himself straight on here..
He was most definitely bi. He Fucked fingered and licked Mrs for nearly two hours non stop including her ass, never lost his stiffy. Made her squirt numerous times.. she was in heaven. Then he fucked my ass and got me to suck him off whilst he was licking Mrs pussy.
If we had blocked him because he said straight, we would have missed out.
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"Tbh..
The categories on here are too pigeonholed. Why should people be forced to fit into one particular category..
If you go on Fetlife for example their categories are much more diverse. For example one is "heteexibe"..
Let's all try not to be "sexual orientation Nazis" and just enjoy the fun. Who cares what they put as long as all involved have a good time. We had the best night ever with a guy last night who calls himself straight on here..
He was most definitely bi. He Fucked fingered and licked Mrs for nearly two hours non stop including her ass, never lost his stiffy. Made her squirt numerous times.. she was in heaven. Then he fucked my ass and got me to suck him off whilst he was licking Mrs pussy.
If we had blocked him because he said straight, we would have missed out.
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The reason we find it annoying is that if we see a guy who we like the sound and look of but they have straight on their profile we wouldn't contact them. There's bigger things in life to get wound up about though. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile.
Just read your profile, do you meet straight guys? "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile.
Just read your profile, do you meet straight guys?
Pmsl.....
According to the veri's ..... yes they do !
Oh the irony "
Early learning curve. We won't now. |
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By *am SnugMan
over a year ago
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""I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do."
Spot on.
Maybe we should be questioning why they don't feel comfortable with a bi label... or why the label matters to you at all?
I would hope openly gay or bi people would be more understand with those still finding their sexuality, exploring or still reluctant to openly come out. But no... thou shall not have bi curiosity or desires without an official outing and label.
Completely unacceptable to judge a woman on who or how many people she's slept with... But if a guys slept with a guy... well he better bloody tell everyone and ensure he classifies himself as gay..."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?"
Of course he can. But we ask for bi people and get clearly straight people.
We are being clear and open about who we are and what we like. If you don't want both of us, then why approach?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry miss read your message.
Sorry..
If you like a guy just message him. You never know xxx"
Just leave him be if he says, im flattered, but no thankyou |
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"Because once in the bedroom the vast majority are not bi, they're either gay and uncomfortable and need a pair of tits in the room to legitimise their actions because they're not gay if there's a woman around.
Or, they're not into guys that much and will put up with a man in the room to get their hands on a woman.
Whatever, I don't actually care about their hangup I just want someone in the room who is into both of us. Im very clear and honest about what we want I our profile.
Just read your profile, do you meet straight guys?
Pmsl.....
According to the veri's ..... yes they do !
Oh the irony
Early learning curve. We won't now. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is just going round in circles. Stop with the categorisation.
In my day to day life and always.. I love women I adore them. I do not find men in the slightest bit attractive.
But when myself an Mrs play together I will quite happily suck cock and take anal from a guy.
If anything I am kinky.. and so is she. End of... |
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"This is just going round in circles. Stop with the categorisation.
In my day to day life and always.. I love women I adore them. I do not find men in the slightest bit attractive.
But when myself an Mrs play together I will quite happily suck cock and take anal from a guy.
If anything I am kinky.. and so is she. End of..."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?
Of course he can. But we ask for bi people and get clearly straight people.
We are being clear and open about who we are and what we like. If you don't want both of us, then why approach?
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Maybe you aren't communicating effectively.. I'm pretty sure I could pick out a truly bisexual woman from a no curious or straight woman.. after a few minutes on the subject of sexuality.
You just have to take the time to ask the right probing questions. It's not rocket science.
If you're letting the wrong kind of people for you, into your bedroom. You've clearly not communicated well enough.
No offence intended at all. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?
Of course he can. But we ask for bi people and get clearly straight people.
We are being clear and open about who we are and what we like. If you don't want both of us, then why approach?
Maybe you aren't communicating effectively.. I'm pretty sure I could pick out a truly bisexual woman from a no curious or straight woman.. after a few minutes on the subject of sexuality.
You just have to take the time to ask the right probing questions. It's not rocket science.
If you're letting the wrong kind of people for you, into your bedroom. You've clearly not communicated well enough.
No offence intended at all."
Lol, none taken. We have learned to be incredibly Blunt and ask some very pointed questions. And we are happy to answer.
Not just from the guys. Women too.
Doesn't mean it's a menu system and just because they like say, for example, DP we HAVE to do dp. But we can get an idea from responses whether they're really into it.
My original bitch was in reaction to the straight guys messaging saying "I'm really bi honest" but won't actually have much to do with the Mr. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?
Of course he can. But we ask for bi people and get clearly straight people.
We are being clear and open about who we are and what we like. If you don't want both of us, then why approach?
Maybe you aren't communicating effectively.. I'm pretty sure I could pick out a truly bisexual woman from a no curious or straight woman.. after a few minutes on the subject of sexuality.
You just have to take the time to ask the right probing questions. It's not rocket science.
If you're letting the wrong kind of people for you, into your bedroom. You've clearly not communicated well enough.
No offence intended at all.
Lol, none taken. We have learned to be incredibly Blunt and ask some very pointed questions. And we are happy to answer.
Not just from the guys. Women too.
Doesn't mean it's a menu system and just because they like say, for example, DP we HAVE to do dp. But we can get an idea from responses whether they're really into it.
My original bitch was in reaction to the straight guys messaging saying "I'm really bi honest" but won't actually have much to do with the Mr. "
Well you've a right to bitch then. Because if they are talking to you in the context of being bi. Purely to get in wife/partners knickers - they've gone from protecting themselves to lying to you. Big difference. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?
Of course he can. But we ask for bi people and get clearly straight people.
We are being clear and open about who we are and what we like. If you don't want both of us, then why approach?
Maybe you aren't communicating effectively.. I'm pretty sure I could pick out a truly bisexual woman from a no curious or straight woman.. after a few minutes on the subject of sexuality.
You just have to take the time to ask the right probing questions. It's not rocket science.
If you're letting the wrong kind of people for you, into your bedroom. You've clearly not communicated well enough.
No offence intended at all.
Lol, none taken. We have learned to be incredibly Blunt and ask some very pointed questions. And we are happy to answer.
Not just from the guys. Women too.
Doesn't mean it's a menu system and just because they like say, for example, DP we HAVE to do dp. But we can get an idea from responses whether they're really into it.
My original bitch was in reaction to the straight guys messaging saying "I'm really bi honest" but won't actually have much to do with the Mr.
Well you've a right to bitch then. Because if they are talking to you in the context of being bi. Purely to get in wife/partners knickers - they've gone from protecting themselves to lying to you. Big difference."
I feel like I need to interrogate potential candidates which feels a bit rude. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We haven't talked about this for about 12 minutes.
Despite what I say on our profile, I still get 20 messages a day from straight guys offering a bit of bi action. 90% of the time they just offer some bit of bi sucking for a free ride on a lady.
I know some guys need to be discreet, but is there a way to block all straight men?
I think you have to ask yourself.. Why does it matter so much to you.. whether someone describes themselves, or how discreet they choose to be.
Private messages are sent in the ridiculous hope that they are actually read in the way they were sent. In trust.
I can think of a hundred reasons why a man or woman may choose to keep the full nature of their sexuality a secret. Primarily that many men and women judge on sexuality alone still. Which is, if I may chip in a personal view, a bit of an ugly thing to do.
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"Just an out there question. Why cant a bi guy play bi with a bi couple and straight with a straight couple?
Of course he can. But we ask for bi people and get clearly straight people.
We are being clear and open about who we are and what we like. If you don't want both of us, then why approach?
Maybe you aren't communicating effectively.. I'm pretty sure I could pick out a truly bisexual woman from a no curious or straight woman.. after a few minutes on the subject of sexuality.
You just have to take the time to ask the right probing questions. It's not rocket science.
If you're letting the wrong kind of people for you, into your bedroom. You've clearly not communicated well enough.
No offence intended at all.
Lol, none taken. We have learned to be incredibly Blunt and ask some very pointed questions. And we are happy to answer.
Not just from the guys. Women too.
Doesn't mean it's a menu system and just because they like say, for example, DP we HAVE to do dp. But we can get an idea from responses whether they're really into it.
My original bitch was in reaction to the straight guys messaging saying "I'm really bi honest" but won't actually have much to do with the Mr.
Well you've a right to bitch then. Because if they are talking to you in the context of being bi. Purely to get in wife/partners knickers - they've gone from protecting themselves to lying to you. Big difference.
I feel like I need to interrogate potential candidates which feels a bit rude. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Am i missing posts? i guess that means someone who has blocked me has commented i guess? Sad  "
What are you missing? You can still see posts even if people are blocked.
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By *iverscuMan
over a year ago
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What i worry about is not being bi enough for a couple. Ive never had a bi experience before but im very curious. Id like to meet a bi couple and see just how curious i am, in my mind i would like to try everything! but i worry about actually being in the situation how far would i go? i wouldn't want to let down a couple who were looking for more if it turned out i wasn't comfortable going as far as i think i would like to. |
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over a year ago
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"Am i missing posts? i guess that means someone who has blocked me has commented i guess? Sad
You still see posts from those who have blocked you"
To you both AND Steelheels.
Sometimes I can't see the quote in a reply in the rest of the thread - it's source if you like.
I'm not sad Steelheels, I'm on FAB and it's Friday.. just like you say |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What i worry about is not being bi enough for a couple. Ive never had a bi experience before but im very curious. Id like to meet a bi couple and see just how curious i am, in my mind i would like to try everything! but i worry about actually being in the situation how far would i go? i wouldn't want to let down a couple who were looking for more if it turned out i wasn't comfortable going as far as i think i would like to."
That's no problem, just be honest and let the couple decide if it's something they want.
Our issue is with deceit. |
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over a year ago
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"We haven't talked about this for about 12 minutes.
Despite what I say on our profile, I still get 20 messages a day from straight guys offering a bit of bi action. 90% of the time they just offer some bit of bi sucking for a free ride on a lady.
I know some guys need to be discreet, but is there a way to block all straight men? "
No theres not OP. It means blocking all single guys.
They are obviously not straight. Just putting that to keep the women who won't meet bi men in the dark, to keep their options open. Personally I don't care if they're bi. Juat a pity that they don't feel able to be open about their sexuality. |
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